PC Graphics=Overrated

Aagh. I would have liked to discuss whether the graphics advantages of PC were worth it, but instead we end up with an argument about whether consoles or PC have better graphics. News flash: PC does. Arguing otherwise is stupid. The real argument should focus on marginal value compared to marginal cost (note: cost in the "what you give up" sense, not necessarily the price tag).

In other words, is being a PC gamer worth it? For me, no, but there's plenty of people for whom it is.

Aagh. I would have liked to discuss whether the graphics advantages of PC were worth it, but instead we end up with an argument about whether consoles or PC have better graphics. News flash: PC does. Arguing otherwise is stupid. The real argument should focus on marginal value compared to marginal cost (note: cost in the "what you give up" sense, not necessarily the price tag).

In other words, is being a PC gamer worth it? For me, no, but there's plenty of people for whom it is.

lowe0

Instead what we wound up with is a bunch of console fanboys posting bullshots and trying to honestly claim that the 360 is somehow running Gears of War 2 with more AA and texture-filtering than any game before or since. Hello guys, reality: GeoW 2 is going to have some jaggies, it is NOT going to look as good as the heavily edited promo shots. Why? Uh... because an editor isn't going to go through frame by frame on your TV and spend three hours removing jagged lines, balancing the lighting, and enhancing detail.

The TC fails so miserably on his post. I own a PC and a PS3 both hooked up to the same HDTV, PC is way beyond consoles it isn't even funny. Resolution, framerates, textures...every single way.

If the TC honestly thinks the games he has posted shots of will actually look like that on his console he really is living in cookoo land. Have they suddenly stuck duel 9800's in the consoles whilst nobody was looking? When will consolites realise most of these shots are not real ingame shots? It's actually getting rather sad, i feel sorry for them.

Anyway, here is a screenshot too shoot you down. Company of Heroes, running at 1080p, thats 1920x1080, something you will never see my friend. Bare in mind this is actual gameplay and this is an RTS game that i zoomed in on. No console could do this, whats more is this game was released in 2006 lol.

PC>>>>>>>ps3>360>>>>>wii

Aagh. I would have liked to discuss whether the graphics advantages of PC were worth it

lowe0

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Aagh. I would have liked to discuss whether the graphics advantages of PC were worth it

anshul89

The TC fails so miserably on his post. I own a PC and a PS3 both hooked up to the same HDTV, PC is way beyond consoles it isn't even funny. Resolution, framerates, textures...every single way.

If the TC honestly thinks the games he has posted shots of will actually look like that on his console he really is living in cookoo land. Have they suddenly stuck duel 9800's in the consoles whilst nobody was looking? When will consolites realise most of these shots are not real ingame shots? It's actually getting rather sad, i feel sorry for them.

Anyway, here is a screenshot too shoot you down. Company of Heroes, running at 1080p, thats 1920x1080, something you will never see my friend. Bare in mind this is actual gameplay and this is an RTS game that i zoomed in on. No console could do this, whats more is this game was released in 2006 lol.

Frozzik

that's a pretty bad example dude. i know it's an rts but still.

lol at people posting pictures of Project Offset.Firstly its planned for both the next gen consoles aswell :D Secondly we know very little of it.We have like what ? 3 tech demos ?

PC graphics are way over rated.People usually post pictures of Crysis running maxed out on DX10 but they dont realize that what exactly do you need to run that game on 30 + fps average and at stable temperatures.

lesner87

Funny you say this but don't bash the OP for using Final Fantasy, which we have seen NOTHING on. Also has 4 people have already said PO is a PC exclusive.

you should check the following links out and keep in mind this was around 2006 review and PCs are much more powerfull now

http://uk.gamespot.com/features/6154261/p-4.html

Same with oblivion

http://uk.gamespot.com/features/6147028/p-2.html

Tho the feelings are a little mixed with bioshock 360 vs PC but thats down to the fact bioshock isnt a system hog but PC still comes out ontop

http://uk.gamespot.com/features/6178185/p-2.html

2 Little details to show how much more poerfull pc's are. Consoles play their 95% of the games at 720p with no AA or 2xAA or even lower while a Pc with even a midrange vga ( like 9600gt and 8800gt) can paly the vast majority of games at 1680x1050 with 4AA. Also many console games run at 30fps unlike Pc the equivalent pc games that run at 60-70 fps on midrange cards.

Also is not only crysis that have graphics way better than consoles. World in conflict is there, Company of heroes, Pc version of Mass effect, Grid Pc version ( that runs on a 8800gt at 1080p with 2AA constantly over 30 FPS )

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Espada12

hmmm how is this /thread this pic doesn't look any better than the ones i posted so it failed. i know Project Offset will most likely raise the graphics bar and physics but this game is vaporware until i see more info.

try again

Which of your pictures looks better than that? :lol:

Want me to say FFX111 is vapourware until we get more info? That doesn't make much sense, intel recently gave an update on Offset's progression.

Also

zzzzzzz...i'll give you the project offset pic. but these are about as exciting as a hospital waiting room.

[QUOTE="Frozzik"]

The TC fails so miserably on his post. I own a PC and a PS3 both hooked up to the same HDTV, PC is way beyond consoles it isn't even funny. Resolution, framerates, textures...every single way.

If the TC honestly thinks the games he has posted shots of will actually look like that on his console he really is living in cookoo land. Have they suddenly stuck duel 9800's in the consoles whilst nobody was looking? When will consolites realise most of these shots are not real ingame shots? It's actually getting rather sad, i feel sorry for them.

Anyway, here is a screenshot too shoot you down. Company of Heroes, running at 1080p, thats 1920x1080, something you will never see my friend. Bare in mind this is actual gameplay and this is an RTS game that i zoomed in on. No console could do this, whats more is this game was released in 2006 lol.

TheMistique

that's a pretty bad example dude. i know it's an rts but still.

Screens don't really do the game justice.

zzzzzzz...i'll give you the project offset pic. but these are about as exciting as a hospital waiting room.clone01

It's nice to see that you're open minded at least. :roll:

Over-rated to what? Real life?:?sSubZerOo

no overrated vy hermits which is evident in the fact that they cant post any screens to prove otherwise. and i'm not talking about Crysis.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Over-rated to what? Real life?:?Nameless-Hero

no overrated vy hermits which is evident in the fact that they cant post any screens to prove otherwise. and i'm not talking about Crysis.

I see so we should cut out one of our best looking exclusives.. That has been released for nearly over a YEAR.. Yet you guys post touched up screen shots on games that havn't even been released yet?

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Over-rated to what? Real life?:?sSubZerOo

no overrated vy hermits which is evident in the fact that they cant post any screens to prove otherwise. and i'm not talking about Crysis.

I see so we should cut out one of our best looking exclusives.. That has been released for nearly over a YEAR.. Yet you guys post touched up screen shots on games that havn't even been released yet?

it's one game if thats all you have to show then that is not impressive. and u want to talk about touched up screens have you seen thos Project offset screens being posted from a tech demo!

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Nameless-Hero"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Over-rated to what? Real life?:?Nameless-Hero

no overrated vy hermits which is evident in the fact that they cant post any screens to prove otherwise. and i'm not talking about Crysis.

I see so we should cut out one of our best looking exclusives.. That has been released for nearly over a YEAR.. Yet you guys post touched up screen shots on games that havn't even been released yet?

it's one game if thats all you have to show then that is not impressive. and u want to talk about touched up screens have you seen thos Project offset screens being posted from a tech demo!

Project Offset is multiplat and coming out for the PC as well..

the fact that this gen consoles run on sub HD resolutions alone destroys them against a pc running on resolutions which are higher.

so no pc graphics not overrated.

it's one game if thats all you have to show then that is not impressive. and u want to talk about touched up screens have you seen thos Project offset screens being posted from a tech demo!

Nameless-Hero

Where are you all getting this idea that Crysis is the only good looking PC game? Aside from Crysis, WiC is the most technically impressive game on any system. Other games like Stalker: CS, M2:TW, and just about every single multiplat game further debunk this.

I thought we could all agree that from a graphics perspective, PC games are quite a bit better than Console games. It seems like you are just a bit too uppity (yes, I used that term), and looking for an argument, no matter how ridiculous your point of view.

[QUOTE="clone01"]zzzzzzz...i'll give you the project offset pic. but these are about as exciting as a hospital waiting room.agentfred

It's nice to see that you're open minded at least. :roll:

hey now, why the eyeroll? i never said that they looked bad, i just think that there are much better examples of PC graphic prowess than that. ;)

The topic creator started out in the wrong by posting bullshots of unrealeased games, what makes people think he is open to reason?

Crysis aside, that we can take the same games console users have and run them at superior resolutions with AA/AF is evidence enough of the gap between console and PC in itself. Not forgetting quality enhanced ports like Gears of War and Mass Effect demonstrate the gap.

hey now, why the eyeroll? i never said that they looked bad, i just think that there are much better examples of PC graphic prowess than that. ;)clone01

Alright, fine, the eyeroll was uncalled for. :P

Still, I personally think that Empire looks great. Those screens were very zoomed in, so to speak, and like any TW, the models are going to look worse the closer the camera is to them. Further, they don't portray the thousands of units in any given battle. With those given screenshots, Empire doesn't look amazing, just good. However, I expect Empire to be one of the best looking games on any platform when it releases.

[QUOTE="Nameless-Hero"]

it's one game if thats all you have to show then that is not impressive. and u want to talk about touched up screens have you seen thos Project offset screens being posted from a tech demo!

agentfred

Where are you all getting this idea that Crysis is the only good looking PC game? Aside from Crysis, WiC is the most technically impressive game on any system. Other games like Stalker: CS, M2:TW, and just about every single multiplat game further debunk this.

I thought we could all agree that from a graphics perspective, PC games are quite a bit better than Console games. It seems like you are just a bit too uppity (yes, I used that term), and looking for an argument, no matter how ridiculous your point of view.

again post some pics or gtfo

irs really easy, and i dont want to hear how it looks better in motion, because all games do.

again post some pics or gtfoNameless-Hero

How bout YOU post some console gameplay pics (with actual HUDs) instead of cut-scenes? Or you can just gtfo.

again post some pics or gtfo

irs really easy, and i dont want to hear how it looks better in motion, because all games do.Nameless-Hero

Sorry for the delay, I hadn't taken any screenshots of WiC, so I had to find some on the interwebs.

These are all taken from Gamespot:

Now, I don't intend to tell you how to think, but in my opinion, this is the best looking game on any platform, excluding Crysis, and Warhead.

[QUOTE="agentfred"][QUOTE="Nameless-Hero"]

it's one game if thats all you have to show then that is not impressive. and u want to talk about touched up screens have you seen thos Project offset screens being posted from a tech demo!

Nameless-Hero

Where are you all getting this idea that Crysis is the only good looking PC game? Aside from Crysis, WiC is the most technically impressive game on any system. Other games like Stalker: CS, M2:TW, and just about every single multiplat game further debunk this.

I thought we could all agree that from a graphics perspective, PC games are quite a bit better than Console games. It seems like you are just a bit too uppity (yes, I used that term), and looking for an argument, no matter how ridiculous your point of view.

again post some pics or gtfo

irs really easy, and i dont want to hear how it looks better in motion, because all games do.

The Knights are ready

The infantry is ready

The archers are ready

send forth the cobra cars!

omg the topic creator is gonna blowwwwww!!!

This thread will now turn into hermits posting about crysis.NinjaSkills247

i know the hermits are gonna flame me for this one but it is the truth is that pc graphics are not light years beyond the console, and the only game that they can really boast about is Crysis. tell me hermits besides Crysis what else on pc looks a generation ahead of 360/PS3 tech. please post some pics or gtfo

*pics*

now notice i never said console graphics are better than pc because thats absurd but they certainly hold their own with any PC game besides Crysis, which is pretty imberissing for pc devs that they cannot completely outgun games running on hardware in some cases 3x as powerful as the 360.

discuss

Nameless-Hero

Yep, because motion blur and shiny stuff = real life.

Project Offset is multiplat and coming out for the PC as well..

sSubZerOo

Why would Intel release a game to consoles when it has no interest whatsoever in them at this point in time? HuusAsking

Profit perhaps?

I'm pretty sure Intel will keep PO exclusive in order to sell more hardware, but if they're ever interested in expanding into game publishing, a multiplatform release might not be out of the question.

PC graphics are and always will be ahead in terms of visuals. Project Offset is a PC exclusive (can't believe others thought otherwise seeing as this was a huge news story of it going exclusive to PC). Also, you can get a Gaming PC for between $700 and $1000 that's at least 2x as powerful as any console (Just look at the EA Crysis PC) and you won't have to upgrade for at least 2 - 2.5 years (3 years at most; and the most you'll probably HAVE to upgrade is the Video card at that point). So the value of a gaming PC is much higher as well in terms of performance and what it does other than gaming.

There's a reason the PC version ALWAYS looks the best and that's because it's capable of much much more. PC is simply the best of everything, graphics included.

Modded oblivion owned :P

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clone01

hmmm how is this /thread this pic doesn't look any better than the ones i posted so it failed. i know Project Offset will most likely raise the graphics bar and physics but this game is vaporware until i see more info.

try again

Which of your pictures looks better than that? :lol:

Want me to say FFX111 is vapourware until we get more info? That doesn't make much sense, intel recently gave an update on Offset's progression.

Also

zzzzzzz...i'll give you the project offset pic. but these are about as exciting as a hospital waiting room.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

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Nameless-Hero

hmmm how is this /thread this pic doesn't look any better than the ones i posted so it failed. i know Project Offset will most likely raise the graphics bar and physics but this game is vaporware until i see more info.

try again

There is a game called Crysis, go check it out.

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And no Consoles are still far behind from PC. Gears of War runs at 60FPS and looks better on the PC. Console version only ran at 30FPS.

Also most RTS that go to consoles have horrible framerate problems and get a major downgrade in graphics. These games would be supereme commander and command and counquer 3.

Nameless-Hero

yea but what devs actually focus on RTS on consoles compared to pc? and to me rts's are more cpu intensive than gpu. but when you consider you can run a game on 2008 hardware compared to locked hardware designed in 2003-2004 that looks not far behind thats impressive. why can't someone post a pic of gears pc maxed out since it looks so much better than the 360 version.

I hope you do understand that pics you posted are bullshots right? :roll:

This thread will now turn into hermits posting about crysis.NinjaSkills247

well, that is the big "/thread" to put this pointless thread to rest. No doubt though, there are some gorgeous console games out there, but multiplats almost always look better on PC. I love em all tbh, but with FarCry 2 coming up, there will be a noticable difference if you have a GPU, as it should be. Doesn't mean it won't kick some tail on console though..meaning, one doesn't negate the other

Ahem.

Yes. Ok, there is a very suddle but big difference between PC graphics and PC game graphics. Excluding high res and anti-alaising, and just focusing on HDR, textures, poly count, and all the core elements that compose what we view on the screen. There isn't much difference between the PC and 360, because game developers design games to work on all platforms, and keep the graphical level for all plat's about the same.

It's work to include extra lighting effects, and bigger textures just for the PC version. Most game developers don't, and therefore don't use the PC to its full graphical extent.

That does not mean that the PC doesn't have graphical power, the reason Crysis is used so much for system war graphic comparisons is that Crysis is a game what fully uses the PC's graphical power, and when Crysis is runned on high-max, it blows everything else away.

Yet, PC's monitors are generally speaking, high res. PC games have sharper graphics, and when a PC exclusive comes out, it graphically blows everything a console could show out of the water. Why? Maybe this is because the top of the line PC video cards cost as much as a console itself. :-).

Modded oblivion owned :P

zipozal

That's a perfect example actually. I really do wish Bethesda gives us a toolset for Fallout 3, but it looks like they want to keep it locked on the GFW Live service...bummer