PC leads the race to 4k resolution

How big do you think the average screen is? We're getting to the point where the average human eye wont be able to tell the difference unless you buy a screen too big to be practical.

[QUOTE="Loegi"]Why are they doing this just now? Only because of Apple? That's kind of sad actually.APiranhaAteMyVa

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]YES! Now there are 4,000 small, indiscernible dots on my screen! So excited :Dseanmcloughlin

when you play on a decent sized tv / monitor you will realize those 4k dots combine to make a better image than 700 dots.

It's not even 4K pixels. It's far far higher than that. It's like 8 million pixels

yeah i was just too lazy to correct him and do the math :P

[QUOTE="APiranhaAteMyVa"][QUOTE="Loegi"]Why are they doing this just now? Only because of Apple? That's kind of sad actually.Loegi

But they had the ability to make these monitors for years already. Just look at those monitors from IBM.

If companies are copying Apple then awesome, any company who pushes tech forward should be applauded.

Examples of digital 4K cameras:

• Dalsa Origin - released in 2006 and records at 4096 × 2048 (8.4 megapixels)
• Red One - released in 2007 and records at 4096 × 2304 (9.4 megapixels)
• Red Epic - released in 2011 and records at 4096 × 2160 (8.8 megapixels)
• JVC GY-HMQ10 - released in 2012 and records at 3840 x 2160 (8.3 megapixels)
• Sony CineAlta F65 - released in 2012 and records at 4096 × 2160 (8.8 megapixels)
• Canon EOS C500 - to be released in 2012 and records at 4096 × 2160 (8.8 megapixels)
• Canon EOS-1D C DSLR - to be released in 2012 and records at 4096 × 2160 (8.8 megapixels)

Considering 1080p is standard on 22" monitors, it stands to reason that 4k is needed if you want to get good quality on a large screen.

[QUOTE="SamiRDuran"][QUOTE="charizard1605"]YES! Now there are 4,000 small, indiscernible dots on my screen! So excited :Dcharizard1605

I think far too many of the people in this thread are looking at this from a purely gaming standpoint. Do you realize how good it would be to watch a movie in 4K vs like 1080p or even DVD 480p? AMAZING. Believe me there is a difference between resolutions and it won't stop until a screen is as clear and fluid as real life.

[QUOTE="Loegi"][QUOTE="APiranhaAteMyVa"] no this has been in the works before Apple. Modern digital movie cameras now shoot in 4k and they started making 4k backups of movies when bluray was introduced. This was always going to be the case, but Apple introducing their retina line may speed up the process. I think once mainstream OLED TV's start getting introduced to market in 2-4 years we may start seeing them with 4k support. Although the internet and TV are a bit slow at the moment/not enough bandwidth, so 4k outside of monitors won't become that useful for quite a few years.APiranhaAteMyVa

But they had the ability to make these monitors for years already. Just look at those monitors from IBM.

If companies are copying Apple then awesome, any company who pushes tech forward should be applauded.

Examples of digital 4K cameras:

• Dalsa Origin - released in 2006 and records at 4096 × 2048 (8.4 megapixels)
• Red One - released in 2007 and records at 4096 × 2304 (9.4 megapixels)
• Red Epic - released in 2011 and records at 4096 × 2160 (8.8 megapixels)
• JVC GY-HMQ10 - released in 2012 and records at 3840 x 2160 (8.3 megapixels)
• Sony CineAlta F65 - released in 2012 and records at 4096 × 2160 (8.8 megapixels)
• Canon EOS C500 - to be released in 2012 and records at 4096 × 2160 (8.8 megapixels)
• Canon EOS-1D C DSLR - to be released in 2012 and records at 4096 × 2160 (8.8 megapixels)

[QUOTE="SamiRDuran"][QUOTE="charizard1605"]YES! Now there are 4,000 small, indiscernible dots on my screen! So excited :DKickinurass

Certainly wasn't a few days ago in the thread about the Retina display.

Can't really say I see much of a point with a 4k display unless you're in a professional field such as photo-editing.

[QUOTE="Loegi"][QUOTE="APiranhaAteMyVa"] no this has been in the works before Apple. Modern digital movie cameras now shoot in 4k and they started making 4k backups of movies when bluray was introduced. This was always going to be the case, but Apple introducing their retina line may speed up the process. I think once mainstream OLED TV's start getting introduced to market in 2-4 years we may start seeing them with 4k support. Although the internet and TV are a bit slow at the moment/not enough bandwidth, so 4k outside of monitors won't become that useful for quite a few years.APiranhaAteMyVa

But they had the ability to make these monitors for years already. Just look at those monitors from IBM.

If companies are copying Apple then awesome, any company who pushes tech forward should be applauded.

Examples of digital 4K cameras:

• Dalsa Origin - released in 2006 and records at 4096 × 2048 (8.4 megapixels)
• Red One - released in 2007 and records at 4096 × 2304 (9.4 megapixels)
• Red Epic - released in 2011 and records at 4096 × 2160 (8.8 megapixels)
• JVC GY-HMQ10 - released in 2012 and records at 3840 x 2160 (8.3 megapixels)
• Sony CineAlta F65 - released in 2012 and records at 4096 × 2160 (8.8 megapixels)
• Canon EOS C500 - to be released in 2012 and records at 4096 × 2160 (8.8 megapixels)
• Canon EOS-1D C DSLR - to be released in 2012 and records at 4096 × 2160 (8.8 megapixels)

Even though PC gamers CAN get 4K monitors, 4K TVs will also be on sale. Consoles will eventually u se those 4K tv's but not until they are widely available. PC gamers on the other hand are going to have to significantly improve (as in spend a lot of cash to upgrare) their hardware in order to run the latest games at those resolutions with full everything. By time the majority of PC gamers are running those resolutions (and not just the elitists) consoles will be close by.

Then again, who cares. I myself would rather see improvements on AI and physics... and hell gameplay design over a higher resolution.

Console developers should make more 720p TVs, so that their games won't look even uglier in larger resolution TV.

Gee, that's insane.O_o

Even though PC gamers CAN get 4K monitors, 4K TVs will also be on sale. Consoles will eventually u se those 4K tv's but not until they are widely available. PC gamers on the other hand are going to have to significantly improve (as in spend a lot of cash to upgrare) their hardware in order to run the latest games at those resolutions with full everything. By time the majority of PC gamers are running those resolutions (and not just the elitists) consoles will be close by.

Then again, who cares. I myself would rather see improvements on AI and physics... and hell gameplay design over a higher resolution.

Phazevariance

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="SamiRDuran"] typical ignorant console kid. pixel density is everything.savagetwinkie

Certainly wasn't a few days ago in the thread about the Retina display.

Can't really say I see much of a point with a 4k display unless you're in a professional field such as photo-editing.

How big do you think the average screen is? We're getting to the point where the average human eye wont be able to tell the difference unless you buy a screen too big to be practical.

Chemical_Viking

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

How big do you think the average screen is? We're getting to the point where the average human eye wont be able to tell the difference unless you buy a screen too big to be practical.

Cranler

Well I can think of a few reasons why there is raving over an Apple product.

[QUOTE="APiranhaAteMyVa"]

[QUOTE="Loegi"]

But they had the ability to make these monitors for years already. Just look at those monitors from IBM.savagetwinkie

If companies are copying Apple then awesome, any company who pushes tech forward should be applauded.

Examples of digital 4K cameras:

• Dalsa Origin - released in 2006 and records at 4096 × 2048 (8.4 megapixels)
• Red One - released in 2007 and records at 4096 × 2304 (9.4 megapixels)
• Red Epic - released in 2011 and records at 4096 × 2160 (8.8 megapixels)
• JVC GY-HMQ10 - released in 2012 and records at 3840 x 2160 (8.3 megapixels)
• Sony CineAlta F65 - released in 2012 and records at 4096 × 2160 (8.8 megapixels)
• Canon EOS C500 - to be released in 2012 and records at 4096 × 2160 (8.8 megapixels)
• Canon EOS-1D C DSLR - to be released in 2012 and records at 4096 × 2160 (8.8 megapixels)

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

How big do you think the average screen is? We're getting to the point where the average human eye wont be able to tell the difference unless you buy a screen too big to be practical.

BigDaddyPOLO

Well I can think of a few reasons why there is raving over an Apple product.

Consoles should reach 4k resolution some time around 2020.

Ah what am I kidding, they still haven't reached 1600x1200 for the vast majority of games, a resolution I was playing PC games in in 2002.

4k is not even necessary. Go ahead and spend $20k on that 4k monitor.ninjapirate2000

It will be funny if next gen consoles run most of the games at 720p and some at 1080p, if this happened then console gamers will have to leave SW, or hide

console gamers in SW after 2013:

MK-Professor

Even though PC gamers CAN get 4K monitors, 4K TVs will also be on sale. Consoles will eventually u se those 4K tv's but not until they are widely available. PC gamers on the other hand are going to have to significantly improve (as in spend a lot of cash to upgrare) their hardware in order to run the latest games at those resolutions with full everything. By time the majority of PC gamers are running those resolutions (and not just the elitists) consoles will be close by.

Then again, who cares. I myself would rather see improvements on AI and physics... and hell gameplay design over a higher resolution.

Phazevariance

What makes you believe this? Consoles have always lagged far behind PC in resolution. PC gamers were pushing 1600x1200 and higher for enthusiast CRT displays in 2000 / 2002 while consoles were doing interlaced or (maybe, for certain games only) progressive SDTV. Today consoles are doing 720P while the single most common PC res is 1080P. 720P is only 44% of the pixels of 1080P, and a noticeably worse image as a result before even stopping to consider graphical differences.

tough to sell me on shyt like this since i had to do all that research before buying an hd tv and it every sites conclusion was depending on the size of the monitor the human eye can't tell the difference in 1080p and 720p.

going by the research on hdtv sites your computer monitor would have to be 12 foot across before you would ever need that kind of resolution.

Yeah...you're not going to be running games at 4k resolution, at least not without sparing your precious 60fps+ frame rate. A game like Battlefield 3 at 4k resolution would murder your GPU, let alone next gen games with much higher requirements.

tough to sell me on shyt like this since i had to do all that research before buying an hd tv and it every sites conclusion was depending on the size of the monitor the human eye can't tell the difference in 1080p and 720p.

going by the research on hdtv sites your computer monitor would have to be 12 foot across before you would ever need that kind of resolution.

Riverwolf007

tough to sell me on shyt like this since i had to do all that research before buying an hd tv and it every sites conclusion was depending on the size of the monitor the human eye can't tell the difference in 1080p and 720p.

going by the research on hdtv sites your computer monitor would have to be 12 foot across before you would ever need that kind of resolution.

Riverwolf007

Exactly. 4k resolution would look great on a big screen.

Lol at 4k resolution on small 24 inch monitor. You hermits are crazy :lol:.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

tough to sell me on shyt like this since i had to do all that research before buying an hd tv and it every sites conclusion was depending on the size of the monitor the human eye can't tell the difference in 1080p and 720p.

going by the research on hdtv sites your computer monitor would have to be 12 foot across before you would ever need that kind of resolution.

Myounage

On a PC monitor, 1080p is as sharp as you'll ever need. Anything higher is simply not necessary, and besides it's not just about resolution there's also dynamic ratio and other behind-the-scenes technology to keep in mind. I'll take my 1080p 55" TV over a super high res 4k 27" monitor any day. Gaming on a much smaller screen is just not the same IMO.

what race? consoles aren't even competing for resolution lol hermits and their imaginary victories.

what race? consoles aren't even competing for resolution lol hermits and their imaginary victories.

Harisemo

Hermits need to make their own victories, it's the only thing that gets them through their half-assed console ports, crippling DRM practices, Windows Live, and lack of quality exclusives ;).

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

tough to sell me on shyt like this since i had to do all that research before buying an hd tv and it every sites conclusion was depending on the size of the monitor the human eye can't tell the difference in 1080p and 720p.

going by the research on hdtv sites your computer monitor would have to be 12 foot across before you would ever need that kind of resolution.

Myounage

companies hype this shyt in order to get people to buy hi-res monitors that are thousands on dollars.

if you are photo or video editing things then it is justified if not you are just blowing money on something you will never use to its fullest and could be replaced by a $130 acer and you would never even know.

[QUOTE="Myounage"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

tough to sell me on shyt like this since i had to do all that research before buying an hd tv and it every sites conclusion was depending on the size of the monitor the human eye can't tell the difference in 1080p and 720p.

going by the research on hdtv sites your computer monitor would have to be 12 foot across before you would ever need that kind of resolution.

XVision84

On a PC monitor, 1080p is as sharp as you'll ever need. Anything higher is simply not necessary, and besides it's not just about resolution there's also dynamic ratio and other behind-the-scenes technology to keep in mind. I'll take my 1080p 55" TV over a super high res 4k 27" monitor any day. Gaming on a much smaller screen is just not the same IMO.

[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

what race? consoles aren't even competing for resolution lol hermits and their imaginary victories.

XVision84

Hermits need to make their own victories, it's the only thing that gets them through their half-assed console ports, crippling DRM practices, Windows Live, and lack of quality exclusives ;).

[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

what race? consoles aren't even competing for resolution lol hermits and their imaginary victories.

XVision84

Hermits need to make their own victories, it's the only thing that gets them through their half-assed console ports, crippling DRM practices, Windows Live, and lack of quality exclusives ;).

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

what race? consoles aren't even competing for resolution lol hermits and their imaginary victories.

Harisemo

Hermits need to make their own victories, it's the only thing that gets them through their half-assed console ports, crippling DRM practices, Windows Live, and lack of quality exclusives ;).

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="Myounage"] This is false. The actual science is based off of a very precise "retina ratio," that factors in your distance and the size of the display. Even 1440P 27" PC monitors aren't considered retina or retina-like. You can tell a display is retina when it can draw what appears to be a perfect, solid color circle at a reasonable viewing distance without using anti-aliasing of any kind (for fun, try this on iPad 3 or iPhone 4 / newer).SamiRDuran

On a PC monitor, 1080p is as sharp as you'll ever need. Anything higher is simply not necessary, and besides it's not just about resolution there's also dynamic ratio and other behind-the-scenes technology to keep in mind. I'll take my 1080p 55" TV over a super high res 4k 27" monitor any day. Gaming on a much smaller screen is just not the same IMO.

That's not an answer, just typical egotistical hermit talk.My point still stands, gaming is far more enjoyable to me on a large screen, and 1080p is very sharp. Going to insane 4k resolutions won't do much on a puny screen.

[QUOTE="Harisemo"][QUOTE="XVision84"]

Hermits need to make their own victories, it's the only thing that gets them through their half-assed console ports, crippling DRM practices, Windows Live, and lack of quality exclusives ;).

SamiRDuran

Sure it does buddy, sure it does.

Sit down, I'll get you a tissue :).

[QUOTE="SamiRDuran"][QUOTE="charizard1605"]YES! Now there are 4,000 small, indiscernible dots on my screen! So excited :Dcharizard1605

4k is not even necessary. Go ahead and spend $20k on that 4k monitor.ninjapirate2000

[QUOTE="Myounage"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

tough to sell me on shyt like this since i had to do all that research before buying an hd tv and it every sites conclusion was depending on the size of the monitor the human eye can't tell the difference in 1080p and 720p.

going by the research on hdtv sites your computer monitor would have to be 12 foot across before you would ever need that kind of resolution.

XVision84

On a PC monitor, 1080p is as sharp as you'll ever need. Anything higher is simply not necessary, and besides it's not just about resolution there's also dynamic ratio and other behind-the-scenes technology to keep in mind. I'll take my 1080p 55" TV over a super high res 4k 27" monitor any day. Gaming on a much smaller screen is just not the same IMO.

Yeah...you're not going to be running games at 4k resolution, at least not without sparing your precious 60fps+ frame rate. A game like Battlefield 3 at 4k resolution would murder your GPU, let alone next gen games with much higher requirements.

XVision84

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="Myounage"] This is false. The actual science is based off of a very precise "retina ratio," that factors in your distance and the size of the display. Even 1440P 27" PC monitors aren't considered retina or retina-like. You can tell a display is retina when it can draw what appears to be a perfect, solid color circle at a reasonable viewing distance without using anti-aliasing of any kind (for fun, try this on iPad 3 or iPhone 4 / newer).Myounage

On a PC monitor, 1080p is as sharp as you'll ever need. Anything higher is simply not necessary, and besides it's not just about resolution there's also dynamic ratio and other behind-the-scenes technology to keep in mind. I'll take my 1080p 55" TV over a super high res 4k 27" monitor any day. Gaming on a much smaller screen is just not the same IMO.

[QUOTE="Myounage"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

tough to sell me on shyt like this since i had to do all that research before buying an hd tv and it every sites conclusion was depending on the size of the monitor the human eye can't tell the difference in 1080p and 720p.

going by the research on hdtv sites your computer monitor would have to be 12 foot across before you would ever need that kind of resolution.

Riverwolf007

companies hype this shyt in order to get people to buy hi-res monitors that are thousands on dollars.

if you are photo or video editing things then it is justified if not you are just blowing money on something you will never use to its fullest and could be replaced by a $130 acer and you would never even know.

What's hilarious is that console gamers are even in this thread trying to argue. They don't even have 1080P games, just hideous 720P **** smears. I guess 1080P must be enough for them, like tasting an undercooked McDonalds burger must be enough for someone who's spent the last seven years eating ****.

How delusional ca-Oh, they're console gamers.

Well, Planetside 2 closed beta starts soon, and I've got my invite. Should be fun, eh? I even have the client pre-loaded and ready to go.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="Myounage"] This is false. The actual science is based off of a very precise "retina ratio," that factors in your distance and the size of the display. Even 1440P 27" PC monitors aren't considered retina or retina-like. You can tell a display is retina when it can draw what appears to be a perfect, solid color circle at a reasonable viewing distance without using anti-aliasing of any kind (for fun, try this on iPad 3 or iPhone 4 / newer).Myounage

companies hype this shyt in order to get people to buy hi-res monitors that are thousands on dollars.

if you are photo or video editing things then it is justified if not you are just blowing money on something you will never use to its fullest and could be replaced by a $130 acer and you would never even know.

[QUOTE="Myounage"][QUOTE="XVision84"]

On a PC monitor, 1080p is as sharp as you'll ever need. Anything higher is simply not necessary, and besides it's not just about resolution there's also dynamic ratio and other behind-the-scenes technology to keep in mind. I'll take my 1080p 55" TV over a super high res 4k 27" monitor any day. Gaming on a much smaller screen is just not the same IMO.

Riverwolf007

What's hilarious is that console gamers are even in this thread trying to argue. They don't even have 1080P games, just hideous 720P **** smears. I guess 1080P must be enough for them, like tasting an undercooked McDonalds burger must be enough for someone who's spent the last seven years eating ****.

How delusional ca-Oh, they're console gamers.

Well, Planetside 2 closed beta starts soon, and I've got my invite. Should be fun, eh? I even have the client pre-loaded and ready to go.

Myounage

[QUOTE="Myounage"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]i feel like the luckiest dude on the planet right now because i am not the visual version of rainman.

Riverwolf007

[QUOTE="Myounage"]

What's hilarious is that console gamers are even in this thread trying to argue. They don't even have 1080P games, just hideous 720P **** smears. I guess 1080P must be enough for them, like tasting an undercooked McDonalds burger must be enough for someone who's spent the last seven years eating ****.

How delusional ca-Oh, they're console gamers.

Well, Planetside 2 closed beta starts soon, and I've got my invite. Should be fun, eh? I even have the client pre-loaded and ready to go.

Riverwolf007

[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

what race? consoles aren't even competing for resolution lol hermits and their imaginary victories.

XVision84

Hermits need to make their own victories, it's the only thing that gets them through their half-assed console ports, crippling DRM practices, Windows Live, and lack of quality exclusives ;).

by "half-assed console ports" you mean the superior maltiplats...

and by "lack of quality exclusives" you mean more quality exclusives than any console...

I see, the damage control goes strong here, because it is hard to accept that 3840x2160 is 9 times bigger than 1280x720...

Even though PC gamers CAN get 4K monitors, 4K TVs will also be on sale. Consoles will eventually u se those 4K tv's but not until they are widely available. PC gamers on the other hand are going to have to significantly improve (as in spend a lot of cash to upgrare) their hardware in order to run the latest games at those resolutions with full everything. By time the majority of PC gamers are running those resolutions (and not just the elitists) consoles will be close by.

Then again, who cares. I myself would rather see improvements on AI and physics... and hell gameplay design over a higher resolution.

Phazevariance

we already have 1080p tvs, and consoles use them? no, they keep using sub hd resolutions from 10 years ago:lol:

we are like 7 years into this generation and no, consoles are still not "close by"