PC leads the race to 4k resolution

tough to sell me on shyt like this since i had to do all that research before buying an hd tv and it every sites conclusion was depending on the size of the monitor the human eye can't tell the difference in 1080p and 720p.

going by the research on hdtv sites your computer monitor would have to be 12 foot across before you would ever need that kind of resolution.

Riverwolf007

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="Myounage"] Congratulations, you have defective eyeballs. That or you've never even seen a display with correct settings or an IPS panel. I bet you haven't even touched your TV's awful designed-for-show-floor-lighting settings.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="Myounage"]

What's hilarious is that console gamers are even in this thread trying to argue. They don't even have 1080P games, just hideous 720P **** smears. I guess 1080P must be enough for them, like tasting an undercooked McDonalds burger must be enough for someone who's spent the last seven years eating ****.

How delusional ca-Oh, they're console gamers.

Well, Planetside 2 closed beta starts soon, and I've got my invite. Should be fun, eh? I even have the client pre-loaded and ready to go.

Myounage

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

tough to sell me on shyt like this since i had to do all that research before buying an hd tv and it every sites conclusion was depending on the size of the monitor the human eye can't tell the difference in 1080p and 720p.

going by the research on hdtv sites your computer monitor would have to be 12 foot across before you would ever need that kind of resolution.

Cranler

http://www.spring.org.uk/2012/06/9-simple-suggestions-that-change-peoples-perceptions.php

i mean sure it prolly looks better but come on we all know most everything is just hype and bullshyt.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

tough to sell me on shyt like this since i had to do all that research before buying an hd tv and it every sites conclusion was depending on the size of the monitor the human eye can't tell the difference in 1080p and 720p.

going by the research on hdtv sites your computer monitor would have to be 12 foot across before you would ever need that kind of resolution.

Riverwolf007

http://www.spring.org.uk/2012/06/9-simple-suggestions-that-change-peoples-perceptions.php

i mean sure it prolly looks better but come on we all know most everything is just hype and bullshyt.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] Then how are people seeing the difference in resolution between ipad 2 and 3? Myounage

http://www.spring.org.uk/2012/06/9-simple-suggestions-that-change-peoples-perceptions.php

i mean sure it prolly looks better but come on we all know most everything is just hype and bullshyt.

seriously though.... you me and everyone else in the world see exactly what they want to see.

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="Myounage"] This is false. The actual science is based off of a very precise "retina ratio," that factors in your distance and the size of the display. Even 1440P 27" PC monitors aren't considered retina or retina-like. You can tell a display is retina when it can draw what appears to be a perfect, solid color circle at a reasonable viewing distance without using anti-aliasing of any kind (for fun, try this on iPad 3 or iPhone 4 / newer).Myounage

On a PC monitor, 1080p is as sharp as you'll ever need. Anything higher is simply not necessary, and besides it's not just about resolution there's also dynamic ratio and other behind-the-scenes technology to keep in mind. I'll take my 1080p 55" TV over a super high res 4k 27" monitor any day. Gaming on a much smaller screen is just not the same IMO.

Hmm...this is a nice test, and I see what you're saying, but 4k resolutions aren't even necessary. All that test proves is that at insanely high resolutions, jaggies and other imperfections wouldn't be as noticeable which is obvious, but having a resolution that big on a tiny monitor isn't going to do much for you gaming.

I am directly referring to the size when I talk about TV's, there are many high quality LED 3D TV's that can be bought for very cheap, and gaming on them just feels so much better. I just don't like gaming on a small screen, it doesn't pull me in as much.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="APiranhaAteMyVa"] true, although I imagine it was more to do with content than anything. The IBM was like early 2000 I think, at that point it was impractical for gaming and there was no content really supporting these high resolutions, future games are now more likely to support even higher resolutions and they have the 4k movies ready to go. I think youtube like a year ago introduced 4k support too.

If companies are copying Apple then awesome, any company who pushes tech forward should be applauded.

Examples of digital 4K cameras:

• Dalsa Origin - released in 2006 and records at 4096 × 2048 (8.4 megapixels)
• Red One - released in 2007 and records at 4096 × 2304 (9.4 megapixels)
• Red Epic - released in 2011 and records at 4096 × 2160 (8.8 megapixels)
• JVC GY-HMQ10 - released in 2012 and records at 3840 x 2160 (8.3 megapixels)
• Sony CineAlta F65 - released in 2012 and records at 4096 × 2160 (8.8 megapixels)
• Canon EOS C500 - to be released in 2012 and records at 4096 × 2160 (8.8 megapixels)
• Canon EOS-1D C DSLR - to be released in 2012 and records at 4096 × 2160 (8.8 megapixels)

themagicbum9720

[QUOTE="themagicbum9720"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

On a PC monitor, 1080p is as sharp as you'll ever need. Anything higher is simply not necessary, and besides it's not just about resolution there's also dynamic ratio and other behind-the-scenes technology to keep in mind. I'll take my 1080p 55" TV over a super high res 4k 27" monitor any day. Gaming on a much smaller screen is just not the same IMO.

savagetwinkie

Hmm...this is a nice test, and I see what you're saying, but 4k resolutions aren't even necessary. All that test proves is that at insanely high resolutions, jaggies and other imperfections wouldn't be as noticeable which is obvious, but having a resolution that big on a tiny monitor isn't going to do much for you gaming.

I am directly referring to the size when I talk about TV's, there are many high quality LED 3D TV's that can be bought for very cheap, and gaming on them just feels so much better. I just don't like gaming on a small screen, it doesn't pull me in as much.

TVs have kind of a psychological effect I find. When you sit at a desk (assuming a nice chair) with a monitor the monitor is actually "bigger" in the sense of how an elephant can be bigger than the moon (remember that video? lol). Anyway, the image quality of console games is just BAD bad on 1080P TVs. 1080P is not a multiple of 720P which means the scaling is inherently flawed even with the best available algorithms (and gaming at non-native resolution actually introduces extra input lag, but 120hz displays have lower to begin with). Ironically, 720P games would look better on a 1440P monitor (4:1 pixels exactly) than 1080P (blurred, messy). It's the same situation for 1080P content on 4K displays. When they arrive mainstream I predict the next consoles will be struggling to pull 1080P 30fps (albeit with nicer upscaling than this gen because of "perfect" scaling), while PC gamers run native 2160P and (usually) more than 30 FPS. It's feasible, considering current machines and high end cards can push 3 1080P displays at once.

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

what race? consoles aren't even competing for resolution lol hermits and their imaginary victories.

MK-Professor

Hermits need to make their own victories, it's the only thing that gets them through their half-assed console ports, crippling DRM practices, Windows Live, and lack of quality exclusives ;).

by "half-assed console ports" you mean the superior maltiplats...

and by "lack of quality exclusives" you mean more quality exclusives than any console...

I see, the damage control goes strong here, because it is hard to accept that 3840x2160 is 9 times bigger than 1280x720...

superior multiplats? You mean games like Mass Effect 3 that look like consoles at maximum settings? Or bad ports like Assassin's Creed that have DRM? Heck even From Software said Dark Souls may not be running as well as it should on PC. Face it, games aren't as optimized on PC, and some don't even make it to PC. Where's Marvel vs Capcom, Red Dead Redemption, SSX, Fifa Street, Dragon's Dogma, etc. on your PC? Let's not forget that Diablo III requires you to stay online just to play singleplayer.

The only exclusive I see for PC recently is that Civ V expansion pack and Diablo 3. What about Halo 3? The Last of Us? The Last Guardian? Metal Gear Solid? Gears of War? Forza? How can a platform be the definitive gaming experience if it's missing out on so many fantastic games?

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

Hermits need to make their own victories, it's the only thing that gets them through their half-assed console ports, crippling DRM practices, Windows Live, and lack of quality exclusives ;).

XVision84

by "half-assed console ports" you mean the superior maltiplats...

and by "lack of quality exclusives" you mean more quality exclusives than any console...

I see, the damage control goes strong here, because it is hard to accept that 3840x2160 is 9 times bigger than 1280x720...

superior multiplats? You mean games like Mass Effect 3 that look like consoles at maximum settings? Or bad ports like Assassin's Creed that have DRM? Heck even From Software said Dark Souls may not be running as well as it should on PC. Face it, games aren't as optimized on PC, and some don't even make it to PC. Where's Marvel vs Capcom, Red Dead Redemption, SSX, Fifa Street, Dragon's Dogma, etc. on your PC? Let's not forget that Diablo III requires you to stay online just to play singleplayer.

The only exclusive I see for PC recently is that Civ V expansion pack and Diablo 3. What about Halo 3? The Last of Us? The Last Guardian? Metal Gear Solid? Gears of War? Forza? How can a platform be the definitive gaming experience if it's missing out on so many fantastic games?

PC has superior multiplats, this isn't debatable. Yes ME3 only looks a little better, but runs ALOT better (not including mods), that means superior.

And please stop talking about exclusives, PC has 110 AA+, the consoles have only around 30 AA+ each, you are embarassing yourself.

Will I be able to tell a difference sitting a few feet away from a 27 inch monitor? I don't have any plans to buy a TV and this while nice, won't swing me to getting one.

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

by "half-assed console ports" you mean the superior maltiplats...

and by "lack of quality exclusives" you mean more quality exclusives than any console...

I see, the damage control goes strong here, because it is hard to accept that 3840x2160 is 9 times bigger than 1280x720...

Jankarcop

superior multiplats? You mean games like Mass Effect 3 that look like consoles at maximum settings? Or bad ports like Assassin's Creed that have DRM? Heck even From Software said Dark Souls may not be running as well as it should on PC. Face it, games aren't as optimized on PC, and some don't even make it to PC. Where's Marvel vs Capcom, Red Dead Redemption, SSX, Fifa Street, Dragon's Dogma, etc. on your PC? Let's not forget that Diablo III requires you to stay online just to play singleplayer.

The only exclusive I see for PC recently is that Civ V expansion pack and Diablo 3. What about Halo 3? The Last of Us? The Last Guardian? Metal Gear Solid? Gears of War? Forza? How can a platform be the definitive gaming experience if it's missing out on so many fantastic games?

PC has superior multiplats, this isn't debatable. Yes ME3 only looks a little better, but runs ALOT better (not including mods), that means superior.

And please stop talking about exclusives, PC has 110 AA+, the consoles have only around 30 AA+ each, you are embarassing yourself.

I'm talking about quality exclusives, I don't see how I'm embarassing myself. I have a PC and so far I'm not buying into the hype. It's better in terms of graphics, and I love the mods, but it's not what PC fanboys make it out to be, and it's DEFINITELY not the definitive gaming experience. Not even close. I'd buy a PS3 just to play Uncharted, The Last of Us, basically all the games I listed above. But I would never buy a PC just to play its exclusives. There are very little "major" exclusives on PC right now, I don't care about the numbers show me the proof. Show me some good upcoming ones, and please refrain from trying to "embarass" me with one sentence replies. Cause so far, I'm not feeling embarassed. Hermits think way too highly of themselves and PC, it's not that good.

We already have 1280x720 resoluttion smartphones since 2011 so I will take this as a grain of salt.

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

Hermits need to make their own victories, it's the only thing that gets them through their half-assed console ports, crippling DRM practices, Windows Live, and lack of quality exclusives ;).

XVision84

by "half-assed console ports" you mean the superior maltiplats...

and by "lack of quality exclusives" you mean more quality exclusives than any console...

I see, the damage control goes strong here, because it is hard to accept that 3840x2160 is 9 times bigger than 1280x720...

superior multiplats? You mean games like Mass Effect 3 that look like consoles at maximum settings? Or bad ports like Assassin's Creed that have DRM? Heck even From Software said Dark Souls may not be running as well as it should on PC. Face it, games aren't as optimized on PC, and some don't even make it to PC. Where's Marvel vs Capcom, Red Dead Redemption, SSX, Fifa Street, Dragon's Dogma, etc. on your PC? Let's not forget that Diablo III requires you to stay online just to play singleplayer.

The only exclusive I see for PC recently is that Civ V expansion pack and Diablo 3. What about Halo 3? The Last of Us? The Last Guardian? Metal Gear Solid? Gears of War? Forza? How can a platform be the definitive gaming experience if it's missing out on so many fantastic games?

^ All the exclusives you listed were RTS/MOAB/MMO games, the kind you'd expect from a PC. None of those interest me (except for DOTA 2, I love that game). I only play a select few RTS', consoles have MUCH more versatility! There's plenty to look forward to from Action/adventure to platforming to racing to fps and more.

And for the record, I've played FPS on console and PC. It's not all it's hyped up to be on PC, you're overexaggerating it. I have just as much fun playing an FPS on consoles as I do on PC, and I know many people with the same opinion.

And like I said, you guys keep playing the "graphics and mods" card over and over again. That doesn't equate for the large amount of quality games that you guys are missing. PC is a great platform, but it's nowhere near as good as the fanboys will have you think, and it's not the definitive gaming experience.

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

superior multiplats? You mean games like Mass Effect 3 that look like consoles at maximum settings? Or bad ports like Assassin's Creed that have DRM? Heck even From Software said Dark Souls may not be running as well as it should on PC. Face it, games aren't as optimized on PC, and some don't even make it to PC. Where's Marvel vs Capcom, Red Dead Redemption, SSX, Fifa Street, Dragon's Dogma, etc. on your PC? Let's not forget that Diablo III requires you to stay online just to play singleplayer.

The only exclusive I see for PC recently is that Civ V expansion pack and Diablo 3. What about Halo 3? The Last of Us? The Last Guardian? Metal Gear Solid? Gears of War? Forza? How can a platform be the definitive gaming experience if it's missing out on so many fantastic games?

XVision84

PC has superior multiplats, this isn't debatable. Yes ME3 only looks a little better, but runs ALOT better (not including mods), that means superior.

And please stop talking about exclusives, PC has 110 AA+, the consoles have only around 30 AA+ each, you are embarassing yourself.

I'm talking about quality exclusives

For example, it has around 100 more than PS3 this gen. IF it was only trailing by 10-12 you'd have a piont..but its not, its trailing by 100..you've got nothing to argue with.

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

PC has superior multiplats, this isn't debatable. Yes ME3 only looks a little better, but runs ALOT better (not including mods), that means superior.

And please stop talking about exclusives, PC has 110 AA+, the consoles have only around 30 AA+ each, you are embarassing yourself.

Jankarcop

I'm talking about quality exclusives

For example, it has around 100 more than PS3 this gen. IF it was only trailing by 10-12 you'd have a piont..but its not, its trailing by 100..you've got nothing to argue with.

Son, you ignored all of my argument and focused on a sentence. Please discontinue this tomfoolery.

Oh, you're trolling.

[QUOTE="SamiRDuran"][QUOTE="charizard1605"]YES! Now there are 4,000 small, indiscernible dots on my screen! So excited :Dcharizard1605

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

Hermits need to make their own victories, it's the only thing that gets them through their half-assed console ports, crippling DRM practices, Windows Live, and lack of quality exclusives ;).

XVision84

by "half-assed console ports" you mean the superior maltiplats...

and by "lack of quality exclusives" you mean more quality exclusives than any console...

I see, the damage control goes strong here, because it is hard to accept that 3840x2160 is 9 times bigger than 1280x720...

superior multiplats? You mean games like Mass Effect 3 that look like consoles at maximum settings? Or bad ports like Assassin's Creed that have DRM? Heck even From Software said Dark Souls may not be running as well as it should on PC. Face it, games aren't as optimized on PC, and some don't even make it to PC. Where's Marvel vs Capcom, Red Dead Redemption, SSX, Fifa Street, Dragon's Dogma, etc. on your PC? Let's not forget that Diablo III requires you to stay online just to play singleplayer.

The only exclusive I see for PC recently is that Civ V expansion pack and Diablo 3. What about Halo 3? The Last of Us? The Last Guardian? Metal Gear Solid? Gears of War? Forza? How can a platform be the definitive gaming experience if it's missing out on so many fantastic games?

LOL?

maximum settings now equal to 720p, 25-30fps, nonexistent AA/AF, no ambient occlusion, etc? Also DRM don't affect you, except if you don't have Internet, and if that is the case then you are doing it wrong. games on pc have the same level of optimization, take a pc that is 10 times more power full than consoles and you will see that will perform about 10 times better on multiplats. face it multiplats on pc are superior because of superior graphics and gameplay, and also mods. I can list 200+ games that are not on consoles if i want, so your point is mute. Also "What about Halo 3" ? ther are 50+ better fps-games on pc, Halo's don't even have the basic elements of an fps-game, I mean k/m, 60fps, large fov are missing!

This year, I have only see 1 or 2 exclusives from consoles, on the other hand PC this year have, Star Wars: The Old Republic, Diablo 3, Total War Shogun 2 - Fall of the Samurai, Civ V expansion pack, Crusader Kings II, Microsoft Flight, Tribes: Ascend, etc and will get until the end of the year starcraft 2 heart of the swarm, arma3, planetside 2, dota2(maybe), MechWarrior Online, Guild Wars 2 and many more that i don't remember.

To be fair SWTOR is an awful game.

i wonder how lucky you need to be to buy a 4k monitor with zero dead pixels.ZoomZoom2490

i wonder how lucky you need to be to buy a 4k monitor with zero dead pixels.ZoomZoom2490

Or the outrageous premium you'd have to pay to get one with guaranteed no dead pixels.

4k is what you might want for a small theater screen. It's ridiculous for a 24" monitor.

ActionRemix

This.

4k would be a huge waste of resources. As in absolutely ridiculous and unnecessary.