PC or consoles? (No, it's not a graphics thread)

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

And this is the best post in the whole thread.

madsnakehhh

Subjectivity: the excuse of the debate loser to back away! : )

Objectively PC is superior, no denying it. If you "like" console more that is fine, but objectively the PC is better, hence this debate is semi-pointless.

It has Zelda, it has Super Mario, it has Metroid? and i'm talking legally please, so no uh?, then is not the superior platform and this isn't subjective, so this is all that matter, you can throw at me all the numbers and all the specs you want, but i don't care about that at all, i just care about the platform who provides with the best gaming experience for me, and those are consoles, hence, they are the superior gaming experience.

You can actually play all of those games on PC, and they even look alot better. I beleive its legal as long as you have a real copy payed for.

Right: subjectively consoles are the best (i.e. for you)

Objectively PC is the best (i.e. removing personal opinion, going on numbers/facts)

haberman13

Oh, so we are going to go for the good old "I'm right you are wrong" argument uh? ok, fine, i can do the same.

Consoles >>>>>>>>>>>> PC because i said so ;)

You can actually play all of those games on PC, and they even look alot better. I beleive its legal as long as you have a real copy payed for.

Jankarcop

It's not that complicated.

As long as you play the game you own, the one you bought legit (not download it from the net, no matter if you own it or not), it is legal.

It's as simple as that. There are certain hardware stuff to play SNES cartriges on the PC, but they are expensive as ****.

That's why i just keep my SNES.

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

Right: subjectively consoles are the best (i.e. for you)

Objectively PC is the best (i.e. removing personal opinion, going on numbers/facts)

madsnakehhh

Oh, so we are going to go for the good old "I'm right you are wrong" argument uh? ok, fine, i can do the same.

Consoles >>>>>>>>>>>> PC because i said so ;)

You are misunderstanding me:

10,000 foot view -

Wii - 6 year old hardware, impresise controls, 480p resolution (we'll keep it simple here)

PC - new hardware, precise controls, any resolution

Hence, objectively speaking, PC is better. Right? Am I taking crazy pills here? :P

PC ofcourse, but that's from a technical point of view.

Games are subjective.

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

Right: subjectively consoles are the best (i.e. for you)

Objectively PC is the best (i.e. removing personal opinion, going on numbers/facts)

haberman13

Oh, so we are going to go for the good old "I'm right you are wrong" argument uh? ok, fine, i can do the same.

Consoles >>>>>>>>>>>> PC because i said so ;)

You are misunderstanding me:

10,000 foot view -

Wii - 6 year old hardware, impresise controls, 480p resolution (we'll keep it simple here)

PC - new hardware, precise controls, any resolution

Hence, objectively speaking, PC is better. Right? Am I taking crazy pills here? :P

Never touched a Wii, have you :lol: ?

It has the best controls. And if you don't like them, go with a Classic Pro.

Also:

Wii - US$149,99

PC - US$850,00

OH YEAHS I'M DEFINITELY PAYING THAT MUCH FOR TEH GRAPHICZ.

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

Right: subjectively consoles are the best (i.e. for you)

Objectively PC is the best (i.e. removing personal opinion, going on numbers/facts)

haberman13

Oh, so we are going to go for the good old "I'm right you are wrong" argument uh? ok, fine, i can do the same.

Consoles >>>>>>>>>>>> PC because i said so ;)

You are misunderstanding me:

10,000 foot view -

Wii - 6 year old hardware, impresise controls, 480p resolution (we'll keep it simple here)

PC - new hardware, precise controls, any resolution

Hence, objectively speaking, PC is better. Right? Am I taking crazy pills here? :P

alot of wii games have amazing yet simple controls. I hope you're not judging purely on the bad games.

Wii - US$149,99

PC - US$850,00

OH YEAHS I'M DEFINITELY PAYING THAT MUCH FOR TEH GRAPHICZ.

TehOverkill

You can buy a 300$ PC that can max. and play multiplats at superior quality though.. And Crysis on High..

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

Oh, so we are going to go for the good old "I'm right you are wrong" argument uh? ok, fine, i can do the same.

Consoles >>>>>>>>>>>> PC because i said so ;)

theuncharted34

You are misunderstanding me:

10,000 foot view -

Wii - 6 year old hardware, impresise controls, 480p resolution (we'll keep it simple here)

PC - new hardware, precise controls, any resolution

Hence, objectively speaking, PC is better. Right? Am I taking crazy pills here? :P

alot of wii games have amazing yet simple controls. I hope you're not judging purely on the bad games.

He's judging purely on the fact that he doesn't own one.

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

Oh, so we are going to go for the good old "I'm right you are wrong" argument uh? ok, fine, i can do the same.

Consoles >>>>>>>>>>>> PC because i said so ;)

TehOverkill

You are misunderstanding me:

10,000 foot view -

Wii - 6 year old hardware, impresise controls, 480p resolution (we'll keep it simple here)

PC - new hardware, precise controls, any resolution

Hence, objectively speaking, PC is better. Right? Am I taking crazy pills here? :P

Never touched a Wii, have you :lol: ?

It has the best controls. And if you don't like them, go with a Classic Pro.

Also:

Wii - US$149,99

PC - US$850,00

OH YEAHS I'M DEFINITELY PAYING THAT MUCH FOR TEH GRAPHICZ.

No you're not paying that much for teh graphicz but for a pc. You are not typing from your wii right now are you?

[QUOTE="TehOverkill"]

Wii - US$149,99

PC - US$850,00

OH YEAHS I'M DEFINITELY PAYING THAT MUCH FOR TEH GRAPHICZ.

Lucianu

You can buy a 300$ PC that can max. and play multiplats at superior quality though.. And Crysis on High..

Not here.

Never touched a Wii, have you :lol: ?

It has the best controls. And if you don't like them, go with a Classic Pro.

Also:

Wii - US$149,99

PC - US$850,00

OH YEAHS I'M DEFINITELY PAYING THAT MUCH FOR TEH GRAPHICZ.

TehOverkill

Strong moronic comparison.

Please troll elsewhere.

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

Oh, so we are going to go for the good old "I'm right you are wrong" argument uh? ok, fine, i can do the same.

Consoles >>>>>>>>>>>> PC because i said so ;)

TehOverkill

You are misunderstanding me:

10,000 foot view -

Wii - 6 year old hardware, impresise controls, 480p resolution (we'll keep it simple here)

PC - new hardware, precise controls, any resolution

Hence, objectively speaking, PC is better. Right? Am I taking crazy pills here? :P

Never touched a Wii, have you :lol: ?

It has the best controls. And if you don't like them, go with a Classic Pro.

Also:

Wii - US$149,99

PC - US$850,00

OH YEAHS I'M DEFINITELY PAYING THAT MUCH FOR TEH GRAPHICZ.

If its a financial argument consoles win hands down.

If its a "gaming machine argument" PC wins hands down.

Finances are irrelevant to me, so my determination is based on gaming.

I own a Wii, it's fun, but objectively speaking (removing the rose tinted Wii-love glasses) PC is vastly superior as a gaming machine.

Wii controls aren't at PS3/360 level of badness, but its certainly no mouse.

[QUOTE="TehOverkill"]

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

You are misunderstanding me:

10,000 foot view -

Wii - 6 year old hardware, impresise controls, 480p resolution (we'll keep it simple here)

PC - new hardware, precise controls, any resolution

Hence, objectively speaking, PC is better. Right? Am I taking crazy pills here? :P

edidili

Never touched a Wii, have you :lol: ?

It has the best controls. And if you don't like them, go with a Classic Pro.

Also:

Wii - US$149,99

PC - US$850,00

OH YEAHS I'M DEFINITELY PAYING THAT MUCH FOR TEH GRAPHICZ.

No you're not paying that much for teh graphicz but for a pc. You are not typing from your wii right now are you?

PC. it only does everything :P

[QUOTE="TehOverkill"]

Wii - US$149,99

PC - US$850,00

OH YEAHS I'M DEFINITELY PAYING THAT MUCH FOR TEH GRAPHICZ.

Lucianu

You can buy a 300$ PC that can max. and play multiplats at superior quality though.. And Crysis on High..

he got those parts used.

I like how PC gamers think all console gamers are just misinformed & don't know what they're missing out on. It's cute. I prefer consoles.

he got those parts used.

theuncharted34

Still gonna use that link if someone tells that a 800-1000$ PC is minimum to enjoy current gen. games.

I like how PC gamers think all console gamers are just misinformed & don't know what they're missing out on. It's cute. I prefer consoles.

Twin-Blade

You don't know what your missing out on...

I like how PC gamers think all console gamers are just misinformed & don't know what they're missing out on. It's cute. I prefer consoles.

Twin-Blade

Pc and consoles are equal but it's true that if you haven't gamed on a gaming pc you don't know what you're missing. of course the the same thing can be applied to consoles.

[QUOTE="Twin-Blade"]

You don't know what your missing out on...

haberman13

Ignorance is bliss, amirite?

[QUOTE="Twin-Blade"]

I like how PC gamers think all console gamers are just misinformed & don't know what they're missing out on. It's cute. I prefer consoles.

theuncharted34

Pc and consoles are equal but it's true that if you haven't gamed on a gaming pc you don't know what you're missing. of course the the same thing can be applied to consoles.

You are misunderstanding me:

10,000 foot view -

Wii - 6 year old hardware, impresise controls, 480p resolution (we'll keep it simple here)

PC - new hardware, precise controls, any resolution

Hence, objectively speaking, PC is better. Right? Am I taking crazy pills here? :P

haberman13

The better machine doesn't always provides you with the better gaming experience.

And i'm not a fanboy, i own a Wii a PS3 and a gaming PC and i love the games on PC, but it doesn't provide me with the best gaming experience.

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

he got those parts used.

Lucianu

Still gonna use that link if someone tells that a 800-1000$ PC is minimum to enjoy current gen. games.

But then someone could show a craigslist ad for a 50$ 360 or something though.

[QUOTE="TehOverkill"]

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

You are misunderstanding me:

10,000 foot view -

Wii - 6 year old hardware, impresise controls, 480p resolution (we'll keep it simple here)

PC - new hardware, precise controls, any resolution

Hence, objectively speaking, PC is better. Right? Am I taking crazy pills here? :P

haberman13

Never touched a Wii, have you :lol: ?

It has the best controls. And if you don't like them, go with a Classic Pro.

Also:

Wii - US$149,99

PC - US$850,00

OH YEAHS I'M DEFINITELY PAYING THAT MUCH FOR TEH GRAPHICZ.

If its a financial argument consoles win hands down.

If its a "gaming machine argument" PC wins hands down.

Finances are irrelevant to me, so my determination is based on gaming.

I own a Wii, it's fun, but objectively speaking (removing the rose tinted Wii-love glasses) PC is vastly superior as a gaming machine.

Wii controls aren't at PS3/360 level of badness, but its certainly no mouse.

I have to disagree. As an owner of all (well, recently sold the 360) systems, handhelds included, the PC isn't what I consider as the vastly superior gaming machine. It could be, if you ignored TC's request to disconsider graphics, but then it'd be that: superior graphics, higher resolution.

Finances are also very relevant to me. Having a job that doesn't give me rivers of money, I'd rather be able to do something other than game, and buying a top-notch PC, HERE (with emphasis on the fact that building a PC here comes at an absurd cost), would restrict me on that matter for a few weeks.

As far as the mouse goes, I dislike it. You have to play from a table, and games with a mouse usually come with the worse peripheral: the keyboard. Yes, the one that excessive use leads to acquiring Carpal Tunnel Syndrome and other physical ailments, and that severely limits your positioning/comfort during gaming. In my opinion, as long as I'm competing with people using the same peripherals, I'd rather play with a Controller.

The PC isn't a vastly superior gaming machine. It offers the possibility to have top-notch graphics, albeit at a high cost, and does have a lot of customization and a healthy community to help its users, but has all the unwanted hassle and restrictions from gaming on a desktop.

But this is my opinion. If dressing yours as an "Objective Reply" (and not as just another contestable opinion) helps you sleep at night, be my guest.

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

he got those parts used.

Lucianu

Still gonna use that link if someone tells that a 800-1000$ PC is minimum to enjoy current gen. games.

okay, but that link isn't a viable argument because those are used parts.

I think $500 is a fantastic starting point for a first time pc builder. the rig I have now (my first) is $680.

but yeah the people who say that don't know what they're talking about.

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

[QUOTE="Twin-Blade"]

Ignorance is bliss, amirite?

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="Twin-Blade"]

I like how PC gamers think all console gamers are just misinformed & don't know what they're missing out on. It's cute. I prefer consoles.

Remmib

Pc and consoles are equal but it's true that if you haven't gamed on a gaming pc you don't know what you're missing. of course the the same thing can be applied to consoles.

In no universe are they equal.

yes they are.

PC because of:

1. better graphics (and sometimes more features such as more players)
2. better online gaming
3. customization (none of this proprietary crap)
4. controls (KB/M are best, but you can use ANYTHING)
5. mods
6. and the list goes on and on.

I have to disagree. As an owner of all (well, recently sold the 360) systems, handhelds included, the PC isn't what I consider as the vastly superior gaming machine. It could be, if you ignored TC's request to disconsider graphics, but then it'd be that: superior graphics, higher resolution.

Finances are also very relevant to me. Having a job that doesn't give me rivers of money, I'd rather be able to do something other than game, and buying a top-notch PC, HERE (with emphasis on the fact that building a PC here comes at an absurd cost), would restrict me on that matter for a few weeks.

As far as the mouse goes, I dislike it. You have to play from a table, and games with a mouse usually come with the worse peripheral: the keyboard. Yes, the one that excessive use leads to acquiring Carpal Tunnel Syndrome and other physical ailments, and that severely limits your positioning/comfort during gaming. In my opinion, as long as I'm competing with people using the same peripherals, I'd rather play with a Controller.

The PC isn't a vastly superior gaming machine. It offers the possibility to have top-notch graphics, albeit at a high cost, and does have a lot of customization and a healthy community to help its users, but has all the unwanted hassle and restrictions from gaming on a desktop.

But this is my opinion. If dressing yours as an "Objective Reply" (and not as just another contestable opinion) helps you sleep at night, be my guest.

TehOverkill

brb ignorant of the fact that you can use controllers
brb ignorant of the fact that you can play on the PC from your couch
brb disregarding the fact that you spent $400+ for a computer anyway
brb ignorant of the fact that you can use a mouse and one of these:

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

he got those parts used.

theuncharted34

Still gonna use that link if someone tells that a 800-1000$ PC is minimum to enjoy current gen. games.

okay, but that link isn't a viable argument because those are used parts.

I think $500 is a fantastic starting point for a first time pc builder. the rig I have now (my first) is $680.

but yeah the people who say that don't know what they're talking about.

Hey, as sad as it may sound, you'd actually need around US$3000,00 here to get a PC that would cost US$900-1100,00 in the U.S. I actually spent US$2400,00 on my PC :(

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

Still gonna use that link if someone tells that a 800-1000$ PC is minimum to enjoy current gen. games.

TehOverkill

okay, but that link isn't a viable argument because those are used parts.

I think $500 is a fantastic starting point for a first time pc builder. the rig I have now (my first) is $680.

but yeah the people who say that don't know what they're talking about.

Hey, as sad as it may sound, you'd actually need around US$3000,00 here to get a PC that would cost US$900-1100,00 in the U.S. I actually spent US$2400,00 on my PC :(

where the hell do you live? the center of the earth? :P

[QUOTE="Twin-Blade"]

I like how PC gamers think all console gamers are just misinformed & don't know what they're missing out on. It's cute. I prefer consoles.

haberman13

You don't know what your missing out on...

[QUOTE="TehOverkill"]

I have to disagree. As an owner of all (well, recently sold the 360) systems, handhelds included, the PC isn't what I consider as the vastly superior gaming machine. It could be, if you ignored TC's request to disconsider graphics, but then it'd be that: superior graphics, higher resolution.

Finances are also very relevant to me. Having a job that doesn't give me rivers of money, I'd rather be able to do something other than game, and buying a top-notch PC, HERE (with emphasis on the fact that building a PC here comes at an absurd cost), would restrict me on that matter for a few weeks.

As far as the mouse goes, I dislike it. You have to play from a table, and games with a mouse usually come with the worse peripheral: the keyboard. Yes, the one that excessive use leads to acquiring Carpal Tunnel Syndrome and other physical ailments, and that severely limits your positioning/comfort during gaming. In my opinion, as long as I'm competing with people using the same peripherals, I'd rather play with a Controller.

The PC isn't a vastly superior gaming machine. It offers the possibility to have top-notch graphics, albeit at a high cost, and does have a lot of customization and a healthy community to help its users, but has all the unwanted hassle and restrictions from gaming on a desktop.

But this is my opinion. If dressing yours as an "Objective Reply" (and not as just another contestable opinion) helps you sleep at night, be my guest.

Remmib

brb ignorant of the fact that you can use controllers
brb ignorant of the fact that you can play on the PC from your couch
brb disregarding the fact that you spent $400+ for a computer anyway
brb ignorant of the fact that you can use a mouse and one of these:

brb ignorant of the fact that brb means be right back.

brb ignorant of the fact that if you try to use controllers in an online match of Battlefield on the PC you will get owned.

brb disregarding the fact that console hardware launched six years ago, and that PCs are only that cheap in the U.S.

brb ignorant of the fact that that's a smaller keyboard with a pulse pad

[QUOTE="TehOverkill"]

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

okay, but that link isn't a viable argument because those are used parts.

I think $500 is a fantastic starting point for a first time pc builder. the rig I have now (my first) is $680.

but yeah the people who say that don't know what they're talking about.

theuncharted34

Hey, as sad as it may sound, you'd actually need around US$3000,00 here to get a PC that would cost US$900-1100,00 in the U.S. I actually spent US$2400,00 on my PC :(

where the hell do you live? the center of the earth? :P

No, just a country where most imported computer hardware comes with taxes superior to 110% (110%, not 10%) over the product's cost :).

But then someone could show a craigslist ad for a 50$ 360 or something though.

topgunmv

If you can find me one link of a second-hand Xbox360/PS3, that is working correctly, below the price of 100$, i will eat this ciggarete i'm holding. I'm not joking, i swear.

But you got a point.

okay, but that link isn't a viable argument because those are used parts.

I think $500 is a fantastic starting point for a first time pc builder. the rig I have now (my first) is $680.

but yeah the people who say that don't know what they're talking about.

theuncharted34

I agree, 500 bucks is a excelent start for a mid range PC. I saw many deals around my town myself, not used parts.

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

[QUOTE="TehOverkill"]

Never touched a Wii, have you :lol: ?

It has the best controls. And if you don't like them, go with a Classic Pro.

Also:

Wii - US$149,99

PC - US$850,00

OH YEAHS I'M DEFINITELY PAYING THAT MUCH FOR TEH GRAPHICZ.

TehOverkill

If its a financial argument consoles win hands down.

If its a "gaming machine argument" PC wins hands down.

Finances are irrelevant to me, so my determination is based on gaming.

I own a Wii, it's fun, but objectively speaking (removing the rose tinted Wii-love glasses) PC is vastly superior as a gaming machine.

Wii controls aren't at PS3/360 level of badness, but its certainly no mouse.

I have to disagree. As an owner of all (well, recently sold the 360) systems, handhelds included, the PC isn't what I consider as the vastly superior gaming machine. It could be, if you ignored TC's request to disconsider graphics, but then it'd be that: superior graphics, higher resolution.

Finances are also very relevant to me. Having a job that doesn't give me rivers of money, I'd rather be able to do something other than game, and buying a top-notch PC, HERE (with emphasis on the fact that building a PC here comes at an absurd cost), would restrict me on that matter for a few weeks.

As far as the mouse goes, I dislike it. You have to play from a table, and games with a mouse usually come with the worse peripheral: the keyboard. Yes, the one that excessive use leads to acquiring Carpal Tunnel Syndrome and other physical ailments, and that severely limits your positioning/comfort during gaming. In my opinion, as long as I'm competing with people using the same peripherals, I'd rather play with a Controller.

The PC isn't a vastly superior gaming machine. It offers the possibility to have top-notch graphics, albeit at a high cost, and does have a lot of customization and a healthy community to help its users, but has all the unwanted hassle and restrictions from gaming on a desktop.

But this is my opinion. If dressing yours as an "Objective Reply" (and not as just another contestable opinion) helps you sleep at night, be my guest.

This is the PERFECT replacement for a keyboard, if you don't like the positioning. Been using this and this:

Combined, there is no equivalent.

You have proven that subjectively you like consoles more.

So its a games argument, how about this: CoD on Wii vs Cod on PC ---- much better controls, larger community, faster servers, more skilled opponents.

You financial argument is irrefutable, but again, that makes your opinion more SUBJECTIVE because you have a personal limitation getting in the way of objectivity.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

But then someone could show a craigslist ad for a 50$ 360 or something though.

Lucianu

If you can find me one link of a second-hand Xbox360/PS3, that is working correctly, below the price of 100$, i will eat this ciggarete i'm holding. I'm not joking, i swear.

But you got a point.

okay, but that link isn't a viable argument because those are used parts.

I think $500 is a fantastic starting point for a first time pc builder. the rig I have now (my first) is $680.

but yeah the people who say that don't know what they're talking about.

theuncharted34

I agree, 500 bucks is a excelent start for a mid range PC. I saw many deals around my town myself, not used parts.

oh god bro you better change that. it's actually quite easy to find them at those prices :P (especially 360's) I don't want you to eat a ciggarete :P

you should have said $50 lol

[QUOTE="TehOverkill"]

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

If its a financial argument consoles win hands down.

If its a "gaming machine argument" PC wins hands down.

Finances are irrelevant to me, so my determination is based on gaming.

I own a Wii, it's fun, but objectively speaking (removing the rose tinted Wii-love glasses) PC is vastly superior as a gaming machine.

Wii controls aren't at PS3/360 level of badness, but its certainly no mouse.

haberman13

I have to disagree. As an owner of all (well, recently sold the 360) systems, handhelds included, the PC isn't what I consider as the vastly superior gaming machine. It could be, if you ignored TC's request to disconsider graphics, but then it'd be that: superior graphics, higher resolution.

Finances are also very relevant to me. Having a job that doesn't give me rivers of money, I'd rather be able to do something other than game, and buying a top-notch PC, HERE (with emphasis on the fact that building a PC here comes at an absurd cost), would restrict me on that matter for a few weeks.

As far as the mouse goes, I dislike it. You have to play from a table, and games with a mouse usually come with the worse peripheral: the keyboard. Yes, the one that excessive use leads to acquiring Carpal Tunnel Syndrome and other physical ailments, and that severely limits your positioning/comfort during gaming. In my opinion, as long as I'm competing with people using the same peripherals, I'd rather play with a Controller.

The PC isn't a vastly superior gaming machine. It offers the possibility to have top-notch graphics, albeit at a high cost, and does have a lot of customization and a healthy community to help its users, but has all the unwanted hassle and restrictions from gaming on a desktop.

But this is my opinion. If dressing yours as an "Objective Reply" (and not as just another contestable opinion) helps you sleep at night, be my guest.

This is the PERFECT replacement for a keyboard, if you don't like the positioning. Been using this and this:

Combined, there is no equivalent.

You have proven that subjectively you like consoles more, I'll drop the argument.

Oh, wow. *I* have proven subjectively? I OBJECTIVELY like consoles more. For f***'s sake, I said it like ten times. And then I said why, and you ignored the reasons. You replied to ONE of the reasons, and I still rather have an ergonomic controller than a Mouse + Pad combo.

If anything, you're the one who's trying to prove objectively that the PC is better, and instead you're only showing that subjectively you'll always prefer the PC.

I'm not voting. From an objective standpoint, PC. It has the best/most control options, the most raw power, cheaper games, the best library, mods, and isn't nearly as inconvenient as some would like you to believe. But the fact remains that consoles have amazing games the PC will never have, so I really can't choose. Any true gamer will own everything and attempt to experience every system to its fullest.

[QUOTE="TehOverkill"]

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

If its a financial argument consoles win hands down.

If its a "gaming machine argument" PC wins hands down.

Finances are irrelevant to me, so my determination is based on gaming.

I own a Wii, it's fun, but objectively speaking (removing the rose tinted Wii-love glasses) PC is vastly superior as a gaming machine.

Wii controls aren't at PS3/360 level of badness, but its certainly no mouse.

haberman13

I have to disagree. As an owner of all (well, recently sold the 360) systems, handhelds included, the PC isn't what I consider as the vastly superior gaming machine. It could be, if you ignored TC's request to disconsider graphics, but then it'd be that: superior graphics, higher resolution.

Finances are also very relevant to me. Having a job that doesn't give me rivers of money, I'd rather be able to do something other than game, and buying a top-notch PC, HERE (with emphasis on the fact that building a PC here comes at an absurd cost), would restrict me on that matter for a few weeks.

As far as the mouse goes, I dislike it. You have to play from a table, and games with a mouse usually come with the worse peripheral: the keyboard. Yes, the one that excessive use leads to acquiring Carpal Tunnel Syndrome and other physical ailments, and that severely limits your positioning/comfort during gaming. In my opinion, as long as I'm competing with people using the same peripherals, I'd rather play with a Controller.

The PC isn't a vastly superior gaming machine. It offers the possibility to have top-notch graphics, albeit at a high cost, and does have a lot of customization and a healthy community to help its users, but has all the unwanted hassle and restrictions from gaming on a desktop.

But this is my opinion. If dressing yours as an "Objective Reply" (and not as just another contestable opinion) helps you sleep at night, be my guest.

This is the PERFECT replacement for a keyboard, if you don't like the positioning. Been using this and this:

Combined, there is no equivalent.

You have proven that subjectively you like consoles more.

So its a games argument, how about this: CoD on Wii vs Cod on PC ---- much better controls, larger community, faster servers, more skilled opponents.

You financial argument is irrefutable, but again, that makes your opinion more SUBJECTIVE because you have a personal limitation getting in the way of objectivity.

Nice post-quote edit, btw. In any case, I'm not financially limited. My PC's a beast, and I still game less on it than I do on consoles.

Oh, wow. *I* have proven subjectively? I OBJECTIVELY like consoles more. For f***'s sake, I said it like ten times. And then I said why, and you ignored the reasons. You replied to ONE of the reasons, and I still rather have an ergonomic controller than a Mouse + Pad combo.

If anything, you're the one who's trying to prove objectively that the PC is better, and instead you're only showing that subjectively you'll always prefer the PC.

TehOverkill

Yes, by citing arguments about finances it makes your argument subjective (sorry, didn't mean it to sound like how I phrased that)

Game to game - better on PC

System to system - better PC

Controls to controls - better PC

Hence, the objective argument. Your argument is subjective, as you say (despite the controls being more precise on PC) that you STILL prefer Wii controls. That is subjective, vs an objective reality that PC controls are better (at controlling).

Nice post-quote edit, btw. In any case, I'm not financially limited. My PC's a beast, and I still game less on it than I do on consoles.

TehOverkill

I didn't edit anything ... and if I did I stand by the edit ... whats your point?

Why bring up the finances then? That makes the argument subjective.

edit: you need to google subjective vs objective, a personal "objective reality" == subjective reality

By saying "objectively" I am saying using only facts/numbers and equality charts (i.e. mouse vs controller), PC wins hands down.

oh god bro you better change that. it's actually quite easy to find them at those prices :P (especially 360's) I don't want you to eat a ciggarete :P

you should have said $50 lol

theuncharted34

That would be actually fantastic, i have ben searching for a cheap 360 for a week now. I really want to play Bayonetta, i'm obsessed with Action - Hack 'n Slash games, after i played the greatness that was DMC3, 1 and 4, finished DMC1 today.

That is impossible anyway, i've sen searching for a week around my town, and forums, and haven't found any of the HD twins below 150$, and those are in pretty bad shape, second-hand.

That would mean that i have a incredibly bad luck or i suck at finding stuff around the net. :P

[QUOTE="TehOverkill"]

Oh, wow. *I* have proven subjectively? I OBJECTIVELY like consoles more. For f***'s sake, I said it like ten times. And then I said why, and you ignored the reasons. You replied to ONE of the reasons, and I still rather have an ergonomic controller than a Mouse + Pad combo.

If anything, you're the one who's trying to prove objectively that the PC is better, and instead you're only showing that subjectively you'll always prefer the PC.

haberman13

Yes, by citing arguments about finances it makes your argument subjective (sorry, didn't mean it to sound like how I phrased that)

Game to game - better on PC

System to system - better PC

Controls to controls - better PC

Hence, the objective argument. Your argument is subjective, as you say (despite the controls being more precise on PC) that you STILL prefer Wii controls. That is subjective, vs an objective reality that PC controls are better (at controlling).

Can't deny that the benefit/cost ratio is a heavy argument when I'm convincing people that the price of a PC doesn't justify its benefits.

Game to game - Subjective. Consoles have exclusives, as does the PC, so there's no definite way to judge.

System to system - regarding what? Raw Power? Yes. The PC has more raw power. Good for him.

Controls to controls - Subjective. I personally prefer the 360 Pad or the Wii Remote, but you, for instance, seemingly prefer a keyboard mouse combo.

Hence, the lack of an objective argument. The only thing you have there is that the PC has more raw power, inherent from its higher cost. Doesn't mean it'll always use this to its fullest, although it does, from time to time.

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

[QUOTE="TehOverkill"]

I have to disagree. As an owner of all (well, recently sold the 360) systems, handhelds included, the PC isn't what I consider as the vastly superior gaming machine. It could be, if you ignored TC's request to disconsider graphics, but then it'd be that: superior graphics, higher resolution.

Finances are also very relevant to me. Having a job that doesn't give me rivers of money, I'd rather be able to do something other than game, and buying a top-notch PC, HERE (with emphasis on the fact that building a PC here comes at an absurd cost), would restrict me on that matter for a few weeks.

As far as the mouse goes, I dislike it. You have to play from a table, and games with a mouse usually come with the worse peripheral: the keyboard. Yes, the one that excessive use leads to acquiring Carpal Tunnel Syndrome and other physical ailments, and that severely limits your positioning/comfort during gaming. In my opinion, as long as I'm competing with people using the same peripherals, I'd rather play with a Controller.

The PC isn't a vastly superior gaming machine. It offers the possibility to have top-notch graphics, albeit at a high cost, and does have a lot of customization and a healthy community to help its users, but has all the unwanted hassle and restrictions from gaming on a desktop.

But this is my opinion. If dressing yours as an "Objective Reply" (and not as just another contestable opinion) helps you sleep at night, be my guest.

TehOverkill

This is the PERFECT replacement for a keyboard, if you don't like the positioning. Been using this and this:

Combined, there is no equivalent.

You have proven that subjectively you like consoles more, I'll drop the argument.

Oh, wow. *I* have proven subjectively? I OBJECTIVELY like consoles more. For f***'s sake, I said it like ten times. And then I said why, and you ignored the reasons. You replied to ONE of the reasons, and I still rather have an ergonomic controller than a Mouse + Pad combo.

If anything, you're the one who's trying to prove objectively that the PC is better, and instead you're only showing that subjectively you'll always prefer the PC.

[QUOTE="TehOverkill"]

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

This is the PERFECT replacement for a keyboard, if you don't like the positioning. Been using this and this:

Combined, there is no equivalent.

You have proven that subjectively you like consoles more, I'll drop the argument.

oldkingallant

Oh, wow. *I* have proven subjectively? I OBJECTIVELY like consoles more. For f***'s sake, I said it like ten times. And then I said why, and you ignored the reasons. You replied to ONE of the reasons, and I still rather have an ergonomic controller than a Mouse + Pad combo.

If anything, you're the one who's trying to prove objectively that the PC is better, and instead you're only showing that subjectively you'll always prefer the PC.

I partially agree with this, my problem being that even if you use console peripherals on a PC, you'll be handicapped when compared to the mouse, which responds quicker (remembering that aiming as fast as possible isn't necessarily something I consider good). The PC does have more options -- hardly enough to make it much different from either HD console, or to justify its price tag. Just saying.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

But then someone could show a craigslist ad for a 50$ 360 or something though.

Lucianu

If you can find me one link of a second-hand Xbox360/PS3, that is working correctly, below the price of 100$, i will eat this ciggarete i'm holding. I'm not joking, i swear.

But you got a point.

okay, but that link isn't a viable argument because those are used parts.

I think $500 is a fantastic starting point for a first time pc builder. the rig I have now (my first) is $680.

but yeah the people who say that don't know what they're talking about.

theuncharted34

I agree, 500 bucks is a excelent start for a mid range PC. I saw many deals around my town myself, not used parts.

Pics please :)

http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwi/vgm/2232430368.html

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

[QUOTE="Twin-Blade"]

I like how PC gamers think all console gamers are just misinformed & don't know what they're missing out on. It's cute. I prefer consoles.

lowe0

You don't know what your missing out on...

It's funny because I used to be a PC gamer, & my younger brother is a PC gamer so I have access to the current PC games if I wanted to. I just prefer playing my 360 with mates or my PS3s exclusives. On paper, the PC is better, sure. But for many, such as myself, consoles are just a better experience. Perhaps it's the simplicity; the tradeoff of power is worth it to me. I'm also not a fan of the KB&M, though for many games I have the option of using a gamepad anyway.

Consoles also have plenty of exclusives. PC only gamers have missed out on the GotY since 2006s Gears of War. But hey, you get prettier multiplats? Online is better I suppose, but again. personally, the simplicity of XBL is a positive for me. Finally, i can lay back in bed & play my consoles. I've heard some say you can with a PC, but I never could. Consoles are simpler, easier & cheaper to maintain & have many amazing exclusives at the loss of power/graphics, modding, some genres such as RTS & arguably in other areas.

I'm not saying console gaming is better, but that it's arrogant to assume PC gaming is the clear winner simply because you (you as in elitist PC gamers, not lowe0) enjoy it more.

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

If you can find me one link of a second-hand Xbox360/PS3, that is working correctly, below the price of 100$, i will eat this ciggarete i'm holding. I'm not joking, i swear.

But you got a point.

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

okay, but that link isn't a viable argument because those are used parts.

I think $500 is a fantastic starting point for a first time pc builder. the rig I have now (my first) is $680.

but yeah the people who say that don't know what they're talking about.

topgunmv

I agree, 500 bucks is a excelent start for a mid range PC. I saw many deals around my town myself, not used parts.

Pics please :)

http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwi/vgm/2232430368.html

Uh-oh! I want pics of you sliding the cigar in and pics of it in your mouth.

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

[QUOTE="TehOverkill"]

Oh, wow. *I* have proven subjectively? I OBJECTIVELY like consoles more. For f***'s sake, I said it like ten times. And then I said why, and you ignored the reasons. You replied to ONE of the reasons, and I still rather have an ergonomic controller than a Mouse + Pad combo.

If anything, you're the one who's trying to prove objectively that the PC is better, and instead you're only showing that subjectively you'll always prefer the PC.

TehOverkill

Yes, by citing arguments about finances it makes your argument subjective (sorry, didn't mean it to sound like how I phrased that)

Game to game - better on PC

System to system - better PC

Controls to controls - better PC

Hence, the objective argument. Your argument is subjective, as you say (despite the controls being more precise on PC) that you STILL prefer Wii controls. That is subjective, vs an objective reality that PC controls are better (at controlling).

Can't deny that the benefit/cost ratio is a heavy argument when I'm convincing people that the price of a PC doesn't justify its benefits.

Game to game - Subjective. Consoles have exclusives, as does the PC, so there's no definite way to judge.

System to system - regarding what? Raw Power? Yes. The PC has more raw power. Good for him.

Controls to controls - Subjective. I personally prefer the 360 Pad or the Wii Remote, but you, for instance, seemingly prefer a keyboard mouse combo.

Hence, the lack of an objective argument. The only thing you have there is that the PC has more raw power, inherent from its higher cost. Doesn't mean it'll always use this to its fullest, although it does, from time to time.

OK folks, going to have to get into the nitty gritty:

A mouse has an almost 1:1 movement - cursor relationship, a controller doesn't - that makes mouse better at "controlling" objectively

Game to game - BC2 PC vs BC2 console; PC is clearly better

System to System - PC does everything, consoles can play games in low resolution; PC is clearly better

If you aren't arguing those points then OBJECTIVELY PC is better. SUBJECTIVELY you may like the controller for comfort for example, but its still worse at "controlling".

Finances are SUBJECTIVE, a millionare doesn't see $1000 the same way someone on welfare sees it, hence that should be scrapped as an argument; it is inherently subjective.

So you see, PC is objectively a better gaming machine. Subjectively you can disagree, but the data proves that PC is objectively better for gaming.

[QUOTE="TehOverkill"]

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

Yes, by citing arguments about finances it makes your argument subjective (sorry, didn't mean it to sound like how I phrased that)

Game to game - better on PC

System to system - better PC

Controls to controls - better PC

Hence, the objective argument. Your argument is subjective, as you say (despite the controls being more precise on PC) that you STILL prefer Wii controls. That is subjective, vs an objective reality that PC controls are better (at controlling).

haberman13

Can't deny that the benefit/cost ratio is a heavy argument when I'm convincing people that the price of a PC doesn't justify its benefits.

Game to game - Subjective. Consoles have exclusives, as does the PC, so there's no definite way to judge.

System to system - regarding what? Raw Power? Yes. The PC has more raw power. Good for him.

Controls to controls - Subjective. I personally prefer the 360 Pad or the Wii Remote, but you, for instance, seemingly prefer a keyboard mouse combo.

Hence, the lack of an objective argument. The only thing you have there is that the PC has more raw power, inherent from its higher cost. Doesn't mean it'll always use this to its fullest, although it does, from time to time.

OK folks, going to have to get into the nitty gritty:

A mouse has an almost 1:1 movement - cursor relationship, a controller doesn't - that makes mouse better at "controlling" objectively

Game to game - BC2 PC vs BC2 console; PC is clearly better

System to System - PC does everything, consoles can play games in low resolution; PC is clearly better

If you aren't arguing those points then OBJECTIVELY PC is better. SUBJECTIVELY you may like the controller for comfort for example, but its still worse at "controlling".

Finances are SUBJECTIVE, a millionare doesn't see $1000 the same way someone on welfare sees it, hence that should be scrapped as an argument; it is inherently subjective.

So you see, PC is objectively a better gaming machine.

Read the post. I'm going to disregard it, though, since all you did is copy what you already said and what I already replied. If you think that a sniper being able to do a full 360 turn in 0.2s is "better", your definition of the word is incorrect.

In any case, what I want to ask is: do you think console games look bad? Take, for instance, Uncharted 2, Mass Effect 2 and Gears of War 2: do you think they look bad, performing on consoles?