PC piracy solution

Ok have an idea, controversial, but it will work.

You install your game on the PC as usual, but it doesn't have all the files. certain key files (dll files) are on a server. So in order to play the game needs to load the files from a server on the internet. You can't pirate the game as pirates won't get their hands on these files.

However it does mean you have to always be online to play the game, and can not play it offline. But considering the broadband penetration you'll still have a fair chunk of people who can play your game.

What they could do is a year after release, release a patch so you can play offline.

What do ya think.

I wouldnt mind that, problem is other people will. Broadband isnt 100% global and probably wont be.

it is the only option as far as i can tell that is full proof, and yes you will lose out on a large potential market share. but would be interesting to see a game like crysis do it and see how their sale figures compare.

You cannot stop piracy.

It will always be there.

Instead dont cater to the people who are going to pirate your game, give people reasons to buy your game.

All games are pirated, on all systems. Even things like Steam are completely futile at stopping pirates.

What will happen is the pirates will buy a copy, download the other dlls, and create a standalone "preinstalled" release of the game for other pirates to enjoy. Meanwhile the Legit Customer is getting horribly pissed off because the download servers are swamped and its going to take 6 hours to get the dlls and then his connection drops after 4 hours and he has to start all over again.

Hurray, another DRM solution where the real buyers get raped and the pirates dont have to bother with it.

I have an idea take down Piracy and Torrent sites and ban the Adminstrators of these sites from the internet.(Similar to what the EU are doing now)Isbrealiompie

Also, sue the leakers. Like Ubisoft is now suing the disk dupilcators for Assassin's Creed PC.

dll's are usually MASSIVE files, like DX is a dll, thats a bit far fetched even for a great connection.

They should just make it so you buy it from a retailer, you are registered and there you have an account to play online.

dll's are usually MASSIVE files, like DX is a dll, thats a bit far fetched even for a great connection.

They should just make it so you buy it from a retailer, you are registered and there you have an account to play online.

clembo1990

Yeah, just set up a kiosk at the back of the store that scans your copy's serial number and automatically registers an account.

Having internet as a requirement is nothing serious, just look at steam's popularity: there's over a million PC gamers online on that service at any time during the day.

dll's are usually MASSIVE files, like DX is a dll, thats a bit far fetched even for a great connection.

They should just make it so you buy it from a retailer, you are registered and there you have an account to play online.

clembo1990

What will happen is a pirate will register a copy of a singleplayer game, give the retailer false infornation about himself, write a key generator for the game and release it on the internet for any pirate to enjoy? Meanwhile customers forget their logins or keys and have to go back to the store and prove their identity and jump through hoops to get their game back. Then every once in a while you have a case of stolen identity and real customers not only lose their games, but also their credit card ratings.

[QUOTE="clembo1990"]

dll's are usually MASSIVE files, like DX is a dll, thats a bit far fetched even for a great connection.

They should just make it so you buy it from a retailer, you are registered and there you have an account to play online.

Wartzay

What happens when a pirate registers a copy of a singleplayer game, gives the retailer false infornation about himself, writes a key generator for the game and releases it on the internet for any pirate to enjoy. Meanwhile customers forget their logins or keys and have to go back to the store and prove their identity and jump through hoops to get their game back. Then every once in a while you have a case of stolen identity and real customers not only lose their games, but also their credit card ratings.

Hurray, another DRM solution where the real buyers get raped and the pirates dont have to bother with it.

It won't stop it, only if somebody has to register their account details it'll slow down piracy because they could be auto-fined and have real money taken away with phantom keys sent out by the retailer guised as a no-cd crack that (if entered by a pirate)will show up under their ID and make them recieve a fine or some other repremand. That'd scare a few people and they wouldn't be able to play online if they had not registered with their bank details.

^^ i would edit that post if I were you.Wartzay

If dev's would actually release quality games for pc again piracy wouldnt be a problem.primateface

Piracy will be a problem even if they raised the quality. Look at Crysis, there are millions of torrents and cracked server lists for pirates to play online. Or look at Counter Strike Source, here they sell a hacked version that will let play on any server without being detected.

i think requiring a broadband connection for all games to work is suicide. its understandable for an online games like WOW since u need an internet connection to play anyway..but for something like crysis which is mostly a SP game, its counter productive.

however a slight change and the idea is great. the games system files (dlls and exes and such like) can only be downloaded once u have registered with a valid code. system files dont take up alot of space....so downloading them wouldnt be a huge hassle even on a 56k modem. however to ensure that ppl cant just copy them...they can only be downloaded during the install process and the downloaded files are tailored to just ure PC. the registration system analyses ure PC and sends only what u need. this would make it harder to get the game running on systems that are different to ure own. further more, many changes would be made to the registry (which is pretty much unique to every PC so copying that is alot of hassle). add enctyption to those files also.

its not bullet proof but, used in conjunction with some other systems, it would be another level of hassle for pirates and would put more casual pirates off.

[QUOTE="primateface"]If dev's would actually release quality games for pc again piracy wouldnt be a problem.Iraqi_Gangster

Piracy will be a problem even if they raised the quality. Look at Crysis, there are millions of torrents and cracked server lists for pirates to play online. Or look at Counter Strike Source, here they sell a hacked version that will let play on any server without being detected.

lol they sold a like 3 million copies man

Game companies shoudl start hiring guys to create loads of viruses disguised as game torrents and start filling up the torrent websites with them. Hopefully that'll teach the pirating bastards a lesson.-DrRobotnik-

Illegal and they will be flagged soon after uploading.

Game companies shoudl start hiring guys to create loads of viruses disguised as game torrents and start filling up the torrent websites with them. Hopefully that'll teach the pirating bastards a lesson.-DrRobotnik-

the pirated versions of games dont act same as it would be like you bought it...they shouldnt do that man...alot of times i will buy example doom3 i bought it...but i messed up one disk by accident so i downloaded the cd i messed up...and i just used cd key that came with my retail copy.

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]Game companies shoudl start hiring guys to create loads of viruses disguised as game torrents and start filling up the torrent websites with them. Hopefully that'll teach the pirating bastards a lesson.primateface

the pirated versions of games dont act same as it would be like you bought it...they shouldnt do that man...alot of times i will buy example doom3 i bought it...but i messed up one disk by accident so i downloaded the cd i messed up...and i just used cd key that came with my retail copy.

Doom 3 actually has a good system. The first time you run it, your cd key is checked online against Activision's database of known pirated keys. If it is one of them, the game asks for another key.

I always buy my games, but sometimes my games wont install because of some stupid ass scratch on the disk man they need to put some scratch resistant crap on the disk dude.

I mean i bought the damn game you got my money? i gotta buy the game again because 1 of the 3 disk wont install?

i downloaded disk 2....did i pirate? no i bought the damn game lol.

I always buy my games, but sometimes my games wont install because of some stupid ass scratch on the disk man they need to put some scratch resistant crap on the disk dude.

I mean i bought the damn game you got my money? i gotta buy the game again because 1 of the 3 disk wont install?

i downloaded disk 2....did i pirate? no i bought the damn game lol.

primateface

For once you do have a point, I wanted to install CoD4 again yesterday, but I cant find the disc anywhere, I have my box and CD key ( Careless I know ) and I'm considering Downloading to install using my real CD Key?

Am I a pirate statistic? :roll:

[QUOTE="Isbrealiompie"]I have an idea take down Piracy and Torrent sites and ban the Adminstrators of these sites from the internet.(Similar to what the EU are doing now)dgsag

Also, sue the leakers. Like Ubisoft is now suing the disk dupilcators for Assassin's Creed PC.

[QUOTE="dgsag"]

[QUOTE="Isbrealiompie"]I have an idea take down Piracy and Torrent sites and ban the Adminstrators of these sites from the internet.(Similar to what the EU are doing now)killab2oo5

Also, sue the leakers. Like Ubisoft is now suing the disk dupilcators for Assassin's Creed PC.

The reality is in some ways downloading a game isnt illegal. The digital millenium copyright act is a messed up piece of legislation.

If downloading a game IS illegal though, and the only way for a company to confirm that someone is doing it is to do it themselves (via p2p clients) then they are getting thier information illegally, which doesnt fly.

That's what I don't get...why don't the companies just sue a few people,and eventually word will get around and maybe it'll go down some?Doesn't signing up for some of these BitTorrent site require an address?I'm sure the IP's or whatever of the people who upload the games can be traced.killab2oo5

they don't upload the game, though. they upload directions to the game. otherwise Torrent sites would be down long ago.

This is not a solution.

You can not suppose or demand people be connected to the internet all the time.

Theres no solution to piracy. Period. Any piece of software developed to run on loads of different machines with different configs will always be pirated.Cali3350

The only way to stop priacy is to stop making games for people to pirate.

Actually i did buy 2 copies of doom3.

If ur careless enough to actually break the disk then you deserve to buy it again.

But dude disk scratch so damn easy i mean alittle bit of dust in the case will scratch a cd man.

this sucks.

My solution is the best!

Kill a bunny on international TV. Do this once every hour until piracy stops!

I have an idea take down Piracy and Torrent sites and ban the Adminstrators of these sites from the internet.(Similar to what the EU are doing now)Isbrealiompie

the tcs idea is horrible because its only going to piss off honest people and pirates will find a way around they always and yours isnt much better i mean shutting down sites isnt really going to help either

You cannot stop piracy.

It will always be there.

Instead dont cater to the people who are going to pirate your game, give people reasons to buy your game.

All games are pirated, on all systems. Even things like Steam are completely futile at stopping pirates.

skrat_01

I love this logic, you can apply it to anything;

You cannot stop theft

It will always be there

Instead dont stock the goods people want to steal, give people a reason to buy them

All things get stolen, in all stores. Even the police are not 100% effective at stopping theft.

Therefore you shouldn't try to preven theft or anything else that cannot be 100% curbed.

Only one being able to pull off a system like that atm would be Valve I think, and I bet not even them could guarantee the smooth operation of such a system right from the beginning. It would be yet another feature scaring newbies from PC gaming when their firewalls blocked the files or bad wifi cut the connection and made the game crash and so on.

No solution that ends up hurting the legimate paying customers is a good one imo. If I pay for the game, I should be getting the premium service, not be treated like a potential criminal.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

You cannot stop piracy.

It will always be there.

Instead dont cater to the people who are going to pirate your game, give people reasons to buy your game.

All games are pirated, on all systems. Even things like Steam are completely futile at stopping pirates.

Nikalai_88

I love this logic, you can apply it to anything;

You cannot stop theft

It will always be there

Instead dont stock the goods people want to steal, give people a reason to buy them

All things get stolen, in all stores. Even the police are not 100% effective at stopping theft.

Therefore you shouldn't try to preven theft or anything else that cannot be 100% curbed.

no you cant real life is completely different so you can stop with that because there are plenty of ways to stop people in real life

[QUOTE="Nikalai_88"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

You cannot stop piracy.

It will always be there.

Instead dont cater to the people who are going to pirate your game, give people reasons to buy your game.

All games are pirated, on all systems. Even things like Steam are completely futile at stopping pirates.

Gen007

I love this logic, you can apply it to anything;

You cannot stop theft

It will always be there

Instead dont stock the goods people want to steal, give people a reason to buy them

All things get stolen, in all stores. Even the police are not 100% effective at stopping theft.

Therefore you shouldn't try to preven theft or anything else that cannot be 100% curbed.

no you cant real life is completely different so you can stop with that because there are plenty of ways to stop people in real life

Huh?

[QUOTE="Gen007"][QUOTE="Nikalai_88"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

You cannot stop piracy.

It will always be there.

Instead dont cater to the people who are going to pirate your game, give people reasons to buy your game.

All games are pirated, on all systems. Even things like Steam are completely futile at stopping pirates.

Nikalai_88

I love this logic, you can apply it to anything;

You cannot stop theft

It will always be there

Instead dont stock the goods people want to steal, give people a reason to buy them

All things get stolen, in all stores. Even the police are not 100% effective at stopping theft.

Therefore you shouldn't try to preven theft or anything else that cannot be 100% curbed.

no you cant real life is completely different so you can stop with that because there are plenty of ways to stop people in real life

Huh?

Comparing real life theft to software piracy is crazy. They may be the same crime, but there commited in completely different ways. One is possible to subdue, the other is not.