PC the pawn of the 360?

[QUOTE="rimnet00"]Microsoft doesn't own PC gaming.tader-salad

Ever heard of Crossover?

Imagine if you didn't own Vista or XP, you would not be able to play some of the best games on pc like Crysis, Gears of war, Bioshock, CoD4, Company of heroes, World in Conflict, sins of a solar empire, and the list goes on. Face it MS plays a huge role in PC gaming and they piratically own the platform.

tader-salad

Most type setting is done in Windows... so MS own the written word.

Most web sites are made in Windows... so MS own the internet

Most cars would be designed and concepted on windows based PCs... so MS owns the car industry

Chances are your mother was scanned using a windows PC while carrying you..... omg MS owns you also....

360 gets all PC exlusives day one (Alan Wake, Project Offset etc etc)

360 games get ported to PC years after (Fable, Jade Empire, Halo)

360 has must have games that PC will never see (Ninja Gaiden, Banjo, Tales, Cry On, Lost odyssey, Infinite Undisocvery, Too Human etc etc)

So, 360 makes the PC completly obsolete for me, it has nothing 360 does not get, gets a few 360 games later, if at all, and does not have exclusives i simply must have of its own

ete for me, it has nothing 360 does not get, gets a few 360 games later, if at all, and does not have exclusives i simply must have of its own

saolin323

so, in other words any game that gets ported from the PC to the 360 is "must have" for you, but any game that remains exclusive isn't. yeah, unbiased there.

360 gets all PC exlusives day one (Alan Wake, Project Offset etc etc)

360 games get ported to PC years after (Fable, Jade Empire, Halo)

360 has must have games that PC will never see (Ninja Gaiden, Banjo, Tales, Cry On, Lost odyssey, Infinite Undisocvery, Too Human etc etc)

So, 360 makes the PC completly obsolete for me, it has nothing 360 does not get, gets a few 360 games later, if at all, and does not have exclusives i simply must have of its own

saolin323

Nothing the 360 doesn't get? You mean the 60 exclusives rated 8+ this gen?

title is bound to attract a lot of attention. well hear me out.

1. MS wants more games for the 360 that arent on PS3. Makes sense if you want to be competitive.

2. To do that, why not leech off of upcoming PC releases and strike deals to make ONLY a 360 port?

So basically the PC is helping the 360 to compete against the PS3.

Has anybody thought of it like this?

-GhostMLD-

I don't think you understand just how terribly expensive it is to develop on consoles. This is why the PC is the preferred platform for a ton of developers. There's no room for indy or smaller companies. The guys that made The Witcher and Stalker never would have had the money to work on the 360.

It's not exactly a conducive environment for porting. It is, however, not that big of a deal to port from the 360 to the PC.

360 gets all PC exlusives day one (Alan Wake, Project Offset etc etc)

360 games get ported to PC years after (Fable, Jade Empire, Halo)

360 has must have games that PC will never see (Ninja Gaiden, Banjo, Tales, Cry On, Lost odyssey, Infinite Undisocvery, Too Human etc etc)

So, 360 makes the PC completly obsolete for me, it has nothing 360 does not get, gets a few 360 games later, if at all, and does not have exclusives i simply must have of its own

saolin323

How can a game be called exclusive if its released on more than one platform on the same day? We call those games multiplatform...

I may be wrong but I don't think Halo, Fable and Jade Empire are 360 games at all.

360 'must have' games only includes one game thats released and didn't it flop?

PC has more exclusives that are scored higher than any other system, your obviously not a gamer.

Also fable 2 looks awful...

360 is essentially the pawn of the PC then.

What PC releases? The PC is lucky to get a decent game every year these days.

And Microsoft already gets exclusives by pushing for 360 & PC releases.....Bioshock, Mass Effect, Gears of War, and the list goes on. Remember, Windows is Microsofts first gaming platform.

Hulabaloza

Yeah, because PCs have the least AAAs so far this year :)

I hope your sarcasm filter works.

[QUOTE="-GhostMLD-"]

title is bound to attract a lot of attention. well hear me out.

1. MS wants more games for the 360 that arent on PS3. Makes sense if you want to be competitive.

2. To do that, why not leech off of upcoming PC releases and strike deals to make ONLY a 360 port?

So basically the PC is helping the 360 to compete against the PS3.

Has anybody thought of it like this?

Kantroce

I don't think you understand just how terribly expensive it is to develop on consoles. This is why the PC is the preferred platform for a ton of developers. There's no room for indy or smaller companies. The guys that made The Witcher and Stalker never would have had the money to work on the 360.

It's not exactly a conducive environment for porting. It is, however, not that big of a deal to port from the 360 to the PC.

That's true, however Publishers don't like the whole piracy thing on the PC tho.

[QUOTE="Kantroce"][QUOTE="-GhostMLD-"]

title is bound to attract a lot of attention. well hear me out.

1. MS wants more games for the 360 that arent on PS3. Makes sense if you want to be competitive.

2. To do that, why not leech off of upcoming PC releases and strike deals to make ONLY a 360 port?

So basically the PC is helping the 360 to compete against the PS3.

Has anybody thought of it like this?

xsubtownerx

I don't think you understand just how terribly expensive it is to develop on consoles. This is why the PC is the preferred platform for a ton of developers. There's no room for indy or smaller companies. The guys that made The Witcher and Stalker never would have had the money to work on the 360.

It's not exactly a conducive environment for porting. It is, however, not that big of a deal to port from the 360 to the PC.

That's true, however Publishers don't like the whole piracy thing on the PC tho.

Nah, that's just an easy excuse for poor sales. PC Gaming does make up over 30% of total software sales afterall, and Steam is doing a brilliant job at sales.

That's true, however Publishers don't like the whole piracy thing on the PC tho.

xsubtownerx

Pc users don't care about ports from the 360 or any console.

Gears Of War didn't sell well.

Halo 2 didn't sell well.

Viva Pinata didn't sell well

and the list goes on.

Pc users don't need Games for windows

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="Kantroce"][QUOTE="-GhostMLD-"]

title is bound to attract a lot of attention. well hear me out.

1. MS wants more games for the 360 that arent on PS3. Makes sense if you want to be competitive.

2. To do that, why not leech off of upcoming PC releases and strike deals to make ONLY a 360 port?

So basically the PC is helping the 360 to compete against the PS3.

Has anybody thought of it like this?

thrones

I don't think you understand just how terribly expensive it is to develop on consoles. This is why the PC is the preferred platform for a ton of developers. There's no room for indy or smaller companies. The guys that made The Witcher and Stalker never would have had the money to work on the 360.

It's not exactly a conducive environment for porting. It is, however, not that big of a deal to port from the 360 to the PC.

That's true, however Publishers don't like the whole piracy thing on the PC tho.

Nah, that's just an easy excuse for poor sales. PC Gaming does make up over 30% of total software sales afterall, and Steam is doing a brilliant job at sales.

I really don't know if it's an excuse. My 3 PC gaming friends haven't bought a game since 2001..

[QUOTE="tader-salad"]

Imagine if you didn't own Vista or XP, you would not be able to play some of the best games on pc like Crysis, Gears of war, Bioshock, CoD4, Company of heroes, World in Conflict, sins of a solar empire, and the list goes on. Face it MS plays a huge role in PC gaming and they piratically own the platform.

tenaka2

Most type setting is done in Windows... so MS own the written word.

Most web sites are made in Windows... so MS own the internet

Most cars would be designed and concepted on windows based PCs... so MS owns the car industry

Chances are your mother was scanned using a windows PC while carrying you..... omg MS owns you also....

:cry:

I really don't know if it's an excuse. My 3 PC gaming friends haven't bought a game since 2001..

xsubtownerx

The 'my friends' line... its fab isn't it. Watch me just make stuff up.

My friend bought a PS3 that exploded taking down an entire apartment block.

My other friend got a 360 that constantly gives electrical shocks while playing and shreads all game disks placed in it.

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]

I really don't know if it's an excuse. My 3 PC gaming friends haven't bought a game since 2001..

tenaka2

The 'my friends' line... its fab isn't it. Watch me just make stuff up.

My friend bought a PS3 that exploded taking down an entire apartment block.

My other friend got a 360 that constantly gives electrical shocks while playing and shreads all game disks placed in it.

Hey man. I don't care if you believe me or not. I'm not the one losing money. :P

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]

I really don't know if it's an excuse. My 3 PC gaming friends haven't bought a game since 2001..

xsubtownerx

The 'my friends' line... its fab isn't it. Watch me just make stuff up.

My friend bought a PS3 that exploded taking down an entire apartment block.

My other friend got a 360 that constantly gives electrical shocks while playing and shreads all game disks placed in it.

Hey man. I don't care if you believe me or not. I'm not the one losing money. :P

Who is losing money?

title is bound to attract a lot of attention. well hear me out.

1. MS wants more games for the 360 that arent on PS3. Makes sense if you want to be competitive.

2. To do that, why not leech off of upcoming PC releases and strike deals to make ONLY a 360 port?

So basically the PC is helping the 360 to compete against the PS3.

Has anybody thought of it like this?

-GhostMLD-

I like to think of the PC and Xbox 360 alliance as being much like the Hitler-Mousolini alliance of WW2. Hitler allied himself with Mousolini and Mousolini tried to become more and more like Hitler Long story short, Mousilini ended up having a massive opposition in his own country and Hitler had to bring his armies down to bail him out which ended up spreading his forces too thin and delaying his invasion of Russia til the cold winter which lead to his downfall.

Anyway, you get my point, and if you don't, I hate you :)

That's true, however Publishers don't like the whole piracy thing on the PC tho.

xsubtownerx

This is what Stardock has to say on the subject:

http://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/post.aspx?postid=303512

"Blaming piracy is easy. But it hides other underlying causes. When Sins popped up as the #1 best selling game at retail a couple weeks ago, a game that has no copy protect whatsoever, that should tell you that piracy is not the primary issue."

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]

I really don't know if it's an excuse. My 3 PC gaming friends haven't bought a game since 2001..

tenaka2

The 'my friends' line... its fab isn't it. Watch me just make stuff up.

My friend bought a PS3 that exploded taking down an entire apartment block.

My other friend got a 360 that constantly gives electrical shocks while playing and shreads all game disks placed in it.

Hey man. I don't care if you believe me or not. I'm not the one losing money. :P

Who is losing money?

The Publishers.

What PC releases? The PC is lucky to get a decent game every year these days.

And Microsoft already gets exclusives by pushing for 360 & PC releases.....Bioshock, Mass Effect, Gears of War, and the list goes on. Remember, Windows is Microsofts first gaming platform.

Hulabaloza

wtf ... just wtf ...

[QUOTE="rimnet00"]Microsoft doesn't own PC gaming.xsubtownerx

Who does then?

Nobody ... duh.

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]

[QUOTE="rimnet00"]Microsoft doesn't own PC gaming.Meu2k7

Who does then?

Nobody ... duh.

Yeah that makes sense.. :roll:

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]

[QUOTE="rimnet00"]Microsoft doesn't own PC gaming.xsubtownerx

Who does then?

Nobody ... duh.

Yeah that makes sense.. :roll:

Open platform doesnt make sense?

[QUOTE="tenaka2"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]

I really don't know if it's an excuse. My 3 PC gaming friends haven't bought a game since 2001..

xsubtownerx

The 'my friends' line... its fab isn't it. Watch me just make stuff up.

My friend bought a PS3 that exploded taking down an entire apartment block.

My other friend got a 360 that constantly gives electrical shocks while playing and shreads all game disks placed in it.

Hey man. I don't care if you believe me or not. I'm not the one losing money. :P

Who is losing money?

The Publishers.

Wow! Thats amazing work, can you to and tell the publishers this? You know , those guys publishing more games on PC than any other platform. You know the ones, they make more AAA and AA titles for the PC than on any other platform.

God I bet if they realised what you do they would stop making games for PC's right away and switch to consoles the very next day!

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]

[QUOTE="rimnet00"]Microsoft doesn't own PC gaming.xsubtownerx

Who does then?

Nobody ... duh.

Yeah that makes sense.. :roll:

What dont you understand? Which car manufacturer owns all the roads in the world?

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]

[QUOTE="rimnet00"]Microsoft doesn't own PC gaming.xsubtownerx

Who does then?

Nobody ... duh.

Yeah that makes sense.. :roll:

It's an open platform, you can make any game you want on the PC. I'd argue Steam owns alot of it, but that's my Valve fanboy coming through.

I know one person with a gaming pc and 10 with 360's

I think the cows just like to make a big deal about it to draw attention way from ps3

I know one person with a gaming pc and 10 with 360's

I think the cows just like to make a big deal about it to draw attention way from ps3

onewiththegame

I know 11 people with 360's where as they get played once or twice a month.

I know at least 6 people that i game weekly with on the PC.

See what I did thar?

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]

[QUOTE="rimnet00"]Microsoft doesn't own PC gaming.tenaka2

Who does then?

Nobody ... duh.

Yeah that makes sense.. :roll:

What dont you understand? Which car manufacturer owns all the roads in the world?

You got it all wrong. The oil industry own the car manufactuers.

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="tenaka2"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]

I really don't know if it's an excuse. My 3 PC gaming friends haven't bought a game since 2001..

tenaka2

The 'my friends' line... its fab isn't it. Watch me just make stuff up.

My friend bought a PS3 that exploded taking down an entire apartment block.

My other friend got a 360 that constantly gives electrical shocks while playing and shreads all game disks placed in it.

Hey man. I don't care if you believe me or not. I'm not the one losing money. :P

Who is losing money?

The Publishers.

Wow! Thats amazing work, can you to and tell the publishers this? You know , those guys publishing more games on PC than any other platform. You know the ones, they make more AAA and AA titles for the PC than on any other platform.

God I bet if they realised what you do they would stop making games for PC's right away and switch to consoles the very next day!

:lol: Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. I wonder what happened to the orginal fallout 3. Oh wait, the company went under. I wonder why.. And obviously they're the first PC company to ever go under. :roll:

[QUOTE="tenaka2"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]

[QUOTE="rimnet00"]Microsoft doesn't own PC gaming.xsubtownerx

Who does then?

Nobody ... duh.

Yeah that makes sense.. :roll:

What dont you understand? Which car manufacturer owns all the roads in the world?

You got it all wrong. The oil industry own the car manufactuers.

... oh no... transportation is the major foundations of the US economy. Saudia Arabia is our major source.... Saudia Arabia owns the US! AHHHHHHHHH

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]

[QUOTE="rimnet00"]Microsoft doesn't own PC gaming.xsubtownerx

Who does then?

Nobody ... duh.

Yeah that makes sense.. :roll:

Making sense has never been a requirement of the truth.

[QUOTE="rimnet00"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="tenaka2"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]

[QUOTE="rimnet00"]Microsoft doesn't own PC gaming.xsubtownerx

Who does then?

Nobody ... duh.

Yeah that makes sense.. :roll:

What dont you understand? Which car manufacturer owns all the roads in the world?

You got it all wrong. The oil industry own the car manufactuers.

... oh no... transportation is the major foundations of the US economy. Saudia Arabia is our major source.... Saudia Arabia owns the US! AHHHHHHHHH

Ignorance is bliss, my firend. And just by looking at your sig, I'm dead on with that claim.

The only claim you made is that the oil industry owns the car manafactuerers, which doesn't exactly relate to my signature. So it begs the question: what are you talking about?

[QUOTE="onewiththegame"]

I know one person with a gaming pc and 10 with 360's

I think the cows just like to make a big deal about it to draw attention way from ps3

Meu2k7

I know 11 people with 360's where as they get played once or twice a month.

I know at least 6 people that i game weekly with on the PC.

See what I did thar?

you proved my point?

11 with 360's

6 with gaming pc's

I'm not against pc gaming not at all, but I dont think it really has a big effect on 360 (other than in SW)

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="onewiththegame"]

I know one person with a gaming pc and 10 with 360's

I think the cows just like to make a big deal about it to draw attention way from ps3

onewiththegame

I know 11 people with 360's where as they get played once or twice a month.

I know at least 6 people that i game weekly with on the PC.

See what I did thar?

you proved my point?

11 with 360's

6 with gaming pc's

I'm not against pc gaming not at all, but I dont think it really has a big effect on 360 (other than in SW)

No i didnt prove your point, all 6 of those own 360's aswell? why because theyre cheap, but theyre not played , Halo 3? 9 of us bought it, NOBODY plays it... waste of money.

3 more within the next few months ( 2 in April ) are building machines of their own, thanks to our help ... because its easy.

That and well, there are more players on WArcraft III alone that xbox360's number 1 played game CoD 4...

Sorry ... but your experiance isnt the worlds ... neither is mine, but i think the numbers speak in favour of the PC _- dont you?

:lol: Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. I wonder what happened to the orginal fallout 3. Oh wait, the company went under. I wonder why.. And obviously they're the first PC company to ever go under. :roll:

xsubtownerx

Interplay closed down the studio.... and in case your not owning yourself enough, Black Isle were console developers when they were closed down........

The only claim you made is that the oil industry owns the car manafactuerers, which doesn't exactly relate to my signature. So it begs the question: what are you talking about?

rimnet00

Your sig proves your ignorance.

There's no cars without oil.

Thinking otherwise is ignorant.

Did that clear it up?

[QUOTE="rimnet00"]

The only claim you made is that the oil industry owns the car manafactuerers, which doesn't exactly relate to my signature. So it begs the question: what are you talking about?

xsubtownerx

Your sig proves your ignorance.

There's no cars without oil.

Thinking otherwise is ignorant.

Did that clear it up?

Please explain to me how the message being portrayed in my signature is ignorant. Claiming someone is ignorant, without backing it up with anything substantial just makes you look like a fool. Anyone can make accusations, even babbling 3 year olds. Quite clearly you are missing the humor behind the signature, which only goes to show that you are taking this message board way too seriously, and personally.

[QUOTE="rimnet00"]

The only claim you made is that the oil industry owns the car manafactuerers, which doesn't exactly relate to my signature. So it begs the question: what are you talking about?

xsubtownerx

Your sig proves your ignorance.

There's no cars without oil.

Thinking otherwise is ignorant.

Did that clear it up?

You can run a car on vegetable oil it just doesn't have the same performance

http://www.greasecar.com/

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Savinganddebt/Saveonacar/P115218.asp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight_vegetable_oil

[QUOTE="rimnet00"]

The only claim you made is that the oil industry owns the car manafactuerers, which doesn't exactly relate to my signature. So it begs the question: what are you talking about?

xsubtownerx

Your sig proves your ignorance.

There's no cars without oil.

Thinking otherwise is ignorant.

Did that clear it up?

Of course there are cars without oil...... Bio fuels are becoming rather popular as are electric cars.

You are losing all of your arguements, you have no concept of how PC gaming works. You dont seem to know what an open platform is and now you don't seem to know what a free market economy is.

Your sig proves your ignorance.

xsubtownerx

[QUOTE="onewiththegame"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="onewiththegame"]

I know one person with a gaming pc and 10 with 360's

I think the cows just like to make a big deal about it to draw attention way from ps3

Meu2k7

I know 11 people with 360's where as they get played once or twice a month.

I know at least 6 people that i game weekly with on the PC.

See what I did thar?

you proved my point?

11 with 360's

6 with gaming pc's

I'm not against pc gaming not at all, but I dont think it really has a big effect on 360 (other than in SW)

No i didnt prove your point, all 6 of those own 360's aswell? why because theyre cheap, but theyre not played , Halo 3? 9 of us bought it, NOBODY plays it... waste of money.

3 more within the next few months ( 2 in April ) are building machines of their own, thanks to our help ... because its easy.

That and well, there are more players on WArcraft III alone that xbox360's number 1 played game CoD 4...

Sorry ... but your experiance isnt the worlds ... neither is mine, but i think the numbers speak in favour of the PC _- dont you?

No, I'm sorry I dont think they do

but we can agree to disagree

I can't say what is the better system(PC overall) but I dont think PC has a effect on 360, and games sales

[QUOTE="rimnet00"]

The only claim you made is that the oil industry owns the car manafactuerers, which doesn't exactly relate to my signature. So it begs the question: what are you talking about?

xsubtownerx

Your sig proves your ignorance.

There's no cars without oil.

Thinking otherwise is ignorant.

Did that clear it up?

You're in bliss right now aren't you.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="onewiththegame"]

I know one person with a gaming pc and 10 with 360's

I think the cows just like to make a big deal about it to draw attention way from ps3

onewiththegame

I know 11 people with 360's where as they get played once or twice a month.

I know at least 6 people that i game weekly with on the PC.

See what I did thar?

you proved my point?

11 with 360's

6 with gaming pc's

I'm not against pc gaming not at all, but I dont think it really has a big effect on 360 (other than in SW)

In US? maybe not. But PCgaming is the main reason why 360 is failing so badly in Europe and Asia