PC's>>>>Consoles this argument needs to end

its such a mute point that pc is far supperior then any console. i think its time for the argument to die and for the console fanboys to stop their fruitless battle and constant self ownage, and for them to just ececpt that pc is the far supperior gaming platform and where the hardcore of the hardcore come to play. some of the exsamples why pc>>>>>console are

1. for 600-700$ you can get a pc a whole gen ahead of the current consoles that can do a million more things then any of the current gen consoles. and that 600 dollar investment will be a good one because you will only have to worry about 200$ upgrades every 4-5 years or so, this means you end up saving money in the long run, instead of paying 400-500 dollars every 4-5 years your only spending 200 dollars every 4-5 years. plus the free online saves you bundles in the long run

2. this goes with out saying but. PC graphics make console graphics look like a joke. for 100$ you can own a video card that is atleast 10-20 times better then both of the consoles.

3. First person shooters seem to be the way games are heading and nothing handles first person controls better then a mouse and keyboard

4. MODS MODS MODS. for exsample i have about 9 extra gigs dedicated to oblivion mods which adds 100s of hours of extra game play thats not avalible to the console versions. user created maps! thats another thing theres still only about 10 or so TF2 maps for the consoles where theres a magnitude of them on pc now,it just makes more of your 40$ dollar game purchase which brings me to my next point

5. Games are 10-20$ cheaper on pc

6. 100% backwards compatiblity

7. does everything. pc does litterally everything but make you eggs

8. TRUE HD GRAPHICS. not the uppscalled junk the consoles do

9. guarrenteed future. the PC out lived consoles once, it can do it again."im talking about the gaming crash of 1983 for the younger ppl"

10. its the hardcore platform. PC is not for casuals. if your a pc gamer you know your among other serious gamers, and not have to worry about the hella noob that blasts your whole team away in L4D and ect.

these are my points and most other hermits will back me up here. plz console fanboys stop self owning yourselfs with saying that console x is better then pc cause its just not true, its fact that pc is better. scientific fact, no killzone to doesnt even come close to any pc game realsed in the last 3 years nor does GEOW 2, the battle is over. pc wins period. if you feel bad about it get yourselfs gaming pc's:D you wont regret it i promiss8)

both sides of this argument annoy me so please all of you. Stop it, just stop it.6matt6

noooo!!! this is system wars... you console fanboys just want us to quit the ownage.....well it will never stop till everyone of you console fanboys are on gaming pc's and know the truth. xD

10. its the hardcore platform. PC is not for casuals. if your a pc gamer you know your among other serious gamers, and not have to worry about the hella noob that blasts your whole team away in L4D and ect.

voodoochild815

This is the real argument that needs to die. PC is not a hardcore platform - It's an open platform where all gamers go. You get games like Crysis, the Witcher, and game slike the Sims and Warcraft, not to mention the thousands of niche (Flash, downloadable, Freeware, whatever) games such as Poker, Peggle, Solitaire, etc.

You Are Empty:

Killzone 2:

That's the best picture of You Are Empty I could find, and the Killzone 2 is not a cut-scene. It's realz times.

You Are Empty:

Killzone 2:

That's the best picture of You Are Empty I could find, and the Killzone 2 is not a cut-scene. It's realz times.

DeathScape666

Looks ok but it has no AA and very low AF... where i can run most games at AAx8-AAx16q and AFx16. and the shaders in killzone are just sad compaired to shader model 4.0. plus good luck getting your ps3 to do geometry shading and 128 bit hdr

[QUOTE="DeathScape666"]

You Are Empty:

Killzone 2:

That's the best picture of You Are Empty I could find, and the Killzone 2 is not a cut-scene. It's realz times.

voodoochild815

Looks ok but it has no AA and very low AF... where i can run most games at AAx8-AAx16q and AFx16. and the shaders in killzone are just sad compaired to shader model 4.0. plus good luck getting your ps3 to do geometry shading and 128 bit hdr

You Are Empty:

Killzone 2:

That's the best picture of You Are Empty I could find, and the Killzone 2 is not a cut-scene. It's realz times.

Looks ok but it has no AA and very low AF... where i can run most games at AAx8-AAx16q and AFx16. and the shaders in killzone are just sad compaired to shader model 4.0. plus good luck getting your ps3 to do geometry shading and 128 bit hdr

its such a mute point that pc is far supperior then any console. i think its time for the argument to die and for the console fanboys to stop their fruitless battle and constant self ownage, and for them to just ececpt that pc is the far supperior gaming platform and where the hardcore of the hardcore come to play. some of the exsamples why pc>>>>>console are

1. for 600-700$ you can get a pc a whole gen ahead of the current consoles that can do a million more things then any of the current gen consoles. and that 600 dollar investment will be a good one because you will only have to worry about 200$ upgrades every 4-5 years or so, this means you end up saving money in the long run, instead of paying 400-500 dollars every 4-5 years your only spending 200 dollars every 4-5 years. plus the free online saves you bundles in the long run

People have been playing the PS2 for 10 years...That's a pretty safe investment. ;) Plus $600 or 700 and an additional couple hundred every 5 years isn't much better than a console. Free online I'll give you, but then again, the PS3 and Wii have that.

2. this goes with out saying but. PC graphics make console graphics look like a joke. for 100$ you can own a video card that is atleast 10-20 times better then both of the consoles.

10-20 times? Yeah right. Either way, make sure you've got a good processor, lots of RAM, and a decent hard drive to fully take advantage of that card. That's a little more than $100 now, isn't it?

3. First person shooters seem to be the way games are heading and nothing handles first person controls better then a mouse and keyboard

So now gaming = FPS? Japan will be sad to hear this. Also, I find kb/m lame when it comes to FPS; sure, it's more responsive than a controller, but it's also a lot easier (almost like pointing at the screen with your hand). I prefer a controller, and this is coming from someone who used to play Unreal Tournament and the Quake games on his PC, with said keyboard and mouse. It's called preference.

4. MODS MODS MODS. for exsample i have about 9 extra gigs dedicated to oblivion mods which adds 100s of hours of extra game play thats not avalible to the console versions. user created maps! thats another thing theres still only about 10 or so TF2 maps for the consoles where theres a magnitude of them on pc now,it just makes more of your 40$ dollar game purchase which brings me to my next point

Some mods are cool, although a lot of people don't want more of a game than is already included (I still can't bring myself to finish GTAIV). Not every game has good mods, anyway. But yes, mods are a great plus to PC gaming.

5. Games are 10-20$ cheaper on pc

If you can get the game you want on the PC (MGS4, Dead Rising, Gears 2 and any Nintendo game are smiling at you).

6. 100% backwards compatiblity

Yeah right. If you have the right software compatibility. I couldn't play the original Battle for MiddleEarth the day I bought it, even though I easily made the hardware requirements. PCs can be a HUGE pain in terms of compatibility, which is the exact reason consoles are so popular. So no.

7. does everything. pc does litterally everything but make you eggs

Is this a gaming argument or a jack-of-all-trades one? Because consoles are dedicated gaming machines; just ask the cows how their blu-ray arguments always end up.

8. TRUE HD GRAPHICS. not the uppscalled junk the consoles do

I dunno, that "upscaled junk" looks sick on my 1080p TV. And I don't need to upgrade any of my computer components to make it happen.

9. guarrenteed future. the PC out lived consoles once, it can do it again."im talking about the gaming crash of 1983 for the younger ppl"

This is a pretty strange argument. Do you think Nintendo is worried about the Wii dying, at the moment? Console gaming isn't going anywhere. Besides, PC game piracy is making PC gaming a fairly expensive business.

10. its the hardcore platform. PC is not for casuals. if your a pc gamer you know your among other serious gamers, and not have to worry about the hella noob that blasts your whole team away in L4D and ect.

I'm just as hardcore a gamer as anyone who plays WoW or Counterstrike; I've been playing games since the early 80s. I simply don't have the time (or lack of a social life) to devote all of my non-work hours to a game. Hardcore gamers are the ones who game for the fun of it, who are passionate about it, and who don't have to run around screaming "I'm teh hardcorez!!!!!" at the top of their lungs. Just because I don't want to tinker with my PC all the time doesn't make me less "hardcore", it just means I have other things I'd rather do with my time (some of which are playing games with little or no effort involved in the installation).

these are my points and most other hermits will back me up here. plz console fanboys stop self owning yourselfs with saying that console x is better then pc cause its just not true, its fact that pc is better. scientific fact, no killzone to doesnt even come close to any pc game realsed in the last 3 years nor does GEOW 2, the battle is over. pc wins period. if you feel bad about it get yourselfs gaming pc's:D you wont regret it i promiss8)

I would never claim consoles to be superior to the PC; this would be akin to claiming jeans are better than khakis. Different people prefer different styles of gaming; what advantages PCs have in terms of power, customization options and cost consoles equal with compatibility, standarization (all games play the same on all consoles) and ease of use. These may not be the things that you value most, but clearly to those who enjoy console gaming, they are. And this is why you can't win this argument, although you might not lose it.

voodoochild815

See bold.

its such a mute point that pc is far supperior then any console. i think its time for the argument to die and for the console fanboys to stop their fruitless battle and constant self ownage, and for them to just ececpt that pc is the far supperior gaming platform and where the hardcore of the hardcore come to play. some of the exsamples why pc>>>>>console are

1. for 600-700$ you can get a pc a whole gen ahead of the current consoles that can do a million more things then any of the current gen consoles. and that 600 dollar investment will be a good one because you will only have to worry about 200$ upgrades every 4-5 years or so, this means you end up saving money in the long run, instead of paying 400-500 dollars every 4-5 years your only spending 200 dollars every 4-5 years. plus the free online saves you bundles in the long run

I think that's very much wrong, since the common consensus for PC gamers is to upgrade every now and so. A single new graphics card can amount to more than 200$, and depending on the frequency and how "hardcore" you are into it, you may end up buying one every 2-3 years. Most defenatly if you want to game primarly on your PC, you have to upgrade every 4-5 AT LEST. But graphics cards during that period can cost somewhere around 150$ for a decent upgrade. You also have to worry about upgrading your ram, your motherboard. Eventually you will simply overhall the computer all together and do another 600$ investment because it makes more sense, and salvage whatever parts from your previous PC. You also have to worry about OS upgrades which do not come cheap. With a console, even the main investment is usually just the console itself (with the exception of the xbox360 live subscription). There is never a compulsuary need to buy new hardware until the next console comes out.

2. this goes with out saying but. PC graphics make console graphics look like a joke. for 100$ you can own a video card that is atleast 10-20 times better then both of the consoles.

Admitally PC graphics do look better than consoles. Is is THAT much better?I think it's pretty subjective how someone puts graphics on priority. A PC version of a game runing on max will looks better than the console versions, but the console versions of a game are usually not vastly inferior to the PC version. Their the same game, and people who play either versions will usually get the same experience out of it.

3. First person shooters seem to be the way games are heading and nothing handles first person controls better then a mouse and keyboard

When it comes to raw percision it's no doubt that a PC handles better. But this point is also subjective in matter. A lot of people I know find the feeling of a gamepad a lot more organic than a keyboard even for shooters. Some people find the controls on console a lot more tactile than controls found on M+K.

4. MODS MODS MODS. for exsample i have about 9 extra gigs dedicated to oblivion mods which adds 100s of hours of extra game play thats not avalible to the console versions. user created maps! thats another thing theres still only about 10 or so TF2 maps for the consoles where theres a magnitude of them on pc now,it just makes more of your 40$ dollar game purchase which brings me to my next point

There are awsome mods to be found, and I love the community who does these awesome mods, but how many of them are bad? Buggy? Unfinished? or just lacking creativity. For every Natural Selections and The Specialists, you have a bunch of other mods where someone went like "DUDE I MADE A ROCKET LAUNCHER FIRE LIKE A MACHINEGUN!!1111" or some mod that just doesn't plain work and while the concept is good, crashes frequently or gives a buggy unfinished mess. And some mods are just plain bad such as the SoulKeeper mod for UT2004 which was 1 gig and played horribly. Maps also suffer the same fate as they are not professionally developed, so you just have bad looking maps or bad concept maps. Are some mods and maps really good that compare to full retail games? Yes. Is there a lot of crap behind that though? Yes.

5. Games are 10-20$ cheaper on pc

That actually in some cases cannot be true, as there is a tendency from publishers today to release the PC version later. What that causes is that the console versions maybe 30$ by the time the PC version comes out. And when the PC version comes out it's $50. You see this with games like Mass Effect and Endwar is probebly going to do the same thing as well.

6. 100% backwards compatiblity

I can tell you that this is wrong. Well, maybe depending on what you mean. There are some games that simply will not run on XP or Vista no matter how much troubleshooting you go through. I can only play the first 3 levels of Heavy Gear 2 on my PC. And that's it...

7. does everything. pc does litterally everything but make you eggs

You can actually cook eggs on the motherboard....

8. TRUE HD GRAPHICS. not the uppscalled junk the consoles do

huh? A game running in 720p is running in 720p.

9. guarrenteed future. the PC out lived consoles once, it can do it again."im talking about the gaming crash of 1983 for the younger ppl"

And the NES came out after that so I don't know what your talking about.

10. its the hardcore platform. PC is not for casuals. if your a pc gamer you know your among other serious gamers, and not have to worry about the hella noob that blasts your whole team away in L4D and ect.

*COUGH COUGH*PC is the land of casuals my freind.

And don't kid yourself. These games sell tons...

these are my points and most other hermits will back me up here. plz console fanboys stop self owning yourselfs with saying that console x is better then pc cause its just not true, its fact that pc is better. scientific fact, no killzone to doesnt even come close to any pc game realsed in the last 3 years nor does GEOW 2, the battle is over. pc wins period. if you feel bad about it get yourselfs gaming pc's:D you wont regret it i promiss8)

Both systems do there own thing. PC has a higher potential to look and potentially play better depending how far you want to go. However with PC comes a lot of baggage such as invasive DRM, online cheating is more frequent, and system settings for games (on what settings you should choose and fiddling with the settings to get decent graphics with a decent framerate), control option fiddling, general buggyness, hardware incompatibility, hardware mataince, general OS maintaince, all this other crap. While on the console side you get this controlled box, which is set on this one mode. no fiddling, no fuss, just put the disk in and hit go. It won't look as good as it's PC counter parts and might even not play as well. But it's a general experience.

Neither is inferior or superiour to each other. Both have there ups and downs.

voodoochild815

the only thing that matters is which has better games, in 09 the GOTY will most assuredly go to starcraft2.CHRION987

Mostly right. My hardware before my current hardware lasted me a little over 3 years. There's rigs out there that you can put together for under $600 (a thread a few days back had two hefty ones for $480 and $500) that just destroy any console. KB/Mouse is best for just about every genre with exception of Fighters and about even with consoles in terms of racers. But either way, peripherals are possible if you wanted. PC's will always be here regardless of what people think. PC gaming has been around since the beginning and always will be here and strong. Only thing technically dying is the consoles seeing as each of them will eventually have games not made for them and a successor will possibly come next.

Thing is that this argument will never end. Back in the day it was PC vs. Macs. Now it's PC's vs. Consoles. Even further proof that PC's will always be around in terms of gaming. PC had the largest amount of AAA/AA exclusives last year and does most of the years. It's very ironic that people bash a platform with so many quality games and for not other reason than the false "teh $3000 gaming PC" argument. So sad.

lets just clear something up

its such a mute point that pc is far supperior then any console. i think its time for the argument to die and for the console fanboys to stop their fruitless battle and constant self ownage, and for them to just ececpt that pc is the far supperior gaming platform and where the hardcore of the hardcore come to play. some of the exsamples why pc>>>>>console are

1. for 600-700$ you can get a pc a whole gen ahead of the current consoles that can do a million more things then any of the current gen consoles. and that 600 dollar investment will be a good one because you will only have to worry about 200$ upgrades every 4-5 years or so, this means you end up saving money in the long run, instead of paying 400-500 dollars every 4-5 years your only spending 200 dollars every 4-5 years. plus the free online saves you bundles in the long run

A whole generation ahead? Ahahaha lol

The ps2 was made in the geforce 2 era, yet in 2005/2006 in the end in the reign of the 6th generation games like metal gear solid 3 was just like..wow..

$200 upgrade every 4-5 years? PFFT ahahaha. Its only been 3 years(bought it when the geforece 6 reigned) and now my geforce 6800 ultra cant even play a game decently. All at low settings. 4-5years is a laugh. Especially how fast tech evolves these days. New CPU=New mobo=new ram=new gfx card to make it worth while=new Power supply. $200? Hell. No.....My computers age..3years. As new CPU's come out, new CPU sockets are also made and new types of ram is needed and boards with the ability to support the much larger bandwidth gfx cards these days needs with much better chipsets, also a power supply upgrade. Its not a small $200 upgrade, i have to rebuild my computer.

And games like cysis, WIC, medieval total war all lag like a *****.

PS3 online is free, and back to the whole generation ahead thing, the CELL is powerful..like in this

That thing is powerful, read the background of it atleast

So stop spewing up your 'quad core' crap even tho the Cell can destroy it in general prcossing and graphics processing. And read more about what its being used for and what it can do...lol and hermits are like..it cant handle all the stuff thats going on in medievil total war even tho my single core 3.6GHz intel p4 with hyperthreading can play it at low settings.The cell can play around with that game whilst helping the RSX render gfx.

A 6 SPE variant Cell can decode and stream 48 diffrent videos at once as seen with Toshibas new Cell based TV's and it cant play Medievil total war 2? pfft lol. Good jokes dudes.

2. this goes with out saying but. PC graphics make console graphics look like a joke. for 100$ you can own a video card that is atleast 10-20 times better then both of the consoles.

Come back when you can really understand how much u exaggerate on 10-20 times better. Especially with a $100 pos card. its hardly even as good as many ps3 exclusives. All you hermits talk about is cysis...seen KZ2 lately?

3. First person shooters seem to be the way games are heading and nothing handles first person controls better then a mouse and keyboard

maybe a mouse it more presice than joysticks but a controller on the couch with surround sound and a 46 inch LCD is just..better. And there is MULTIPLAYER.

And many hermits seem to think that joysticks hav no presicion at all, mainly cos u all have noob hands/thumbs. I find it very easy to aim with sticks.

Other than FPS's and RTS's,a controller destroys keyboard/mouse at anything else.

4. MODS MODS MODS. for exsample i have about 9 extra gigs dedicated to oblivion mods which adds 100s of hours of extra game play thats not avalible to the console versions. user created maps! thats another thing theres still only about 10 or so TF2 maps for the consoles where theres a magnitude of them on pc now,it just makes more of your 40$ dollar game purchase which brings me to my next point

We ll you hav a point, thats why there are no user created levels on halo 3 at all..or on Littleigplanet..(/sarcasm)

And also why would you want to play another 100hrs of oblivion? that game got old after 50 hrs of play/ after i finished the story.

But i agree, mods make the game last a bit longer. Not that i was into mods when i used to be a PC gamer.

5. Games are 10-20$ cheaper on pc

Last time i checked at at Australian retail stores, PC gamers were $90 and ps3 games were...$90 altho some were $100, thier price was cut down by 10 with a bit of bargaining and comparing it to other stores.

6. 100% backwards compatiblity

Well.. there was no such thing as a PC 1....PC is..just PC. And no not 100%, many old games are failing to boot on MS vista.

7. does everything. pc does litterally everything but make you eggs

Computer were never invented by humans for the purpose of entertainment...Its a PERSONAL COMPUTER..yes consoles are COMPUTERS..but made purely for entertainment. you know u can install yellow dog linux onto the ps3 yes?....

8. TRUE HD GRAPHICS. not the uppscalled junk the consoles do

Most multiplats are played at 720p and can be upscaled. Alot of ps3 exclusives are native 1080p like MGS4, KZ2, Wipeout HD (have u seen wipeoutHD on a 1080 screen yet? No? well ull drool), Granturismo 5, and more to come.

9. guarrenteed future. the PC out lived consoles once, it can do it again."im talking about the gaming crash of 1983 for the younger ppl"

Its a PC, its not living becuase of games, its becuase humans made/use computers as a mental extension. Just like how machinery is an extension of our physical abilities/capacity ... its a life nessessity. So if thats the case..then people just chuck games onto it and make money. Perfect logic...

10. its the hardcore platform. PC is not for casuals. if your a pc gamer you know your among other serious gamers, and not have to worry about the hella noob that blasts your whole team away in L4D and ect.

huh? What thats that got to do with anything.I play games online on the ps3 and on PSN every one is sensible...unlike on Halo 3.

these are my points and most other hermits will back me up here. plz console fanboys stop self owning yourselfs with saying that console x is better then pc cause its just not true, its fact that pc is better. scientific fact, no killzone to doesnt even come close to any pc game realsed in the last 3 years nor does GEOW 2, the battle is over. pc wins period. if you feel bad about it get yourselfs gaming pc's:D you wont regret it i promiss8)

Get an idea, From what you wrote, i can see that you should get your eyes checked with a doctor and ur much too biased to PC to argue with.

Also, Consoles just have more popular, AAAE and AAAAE games..... Ever since the days of the playstation one... cept for those games like WoW(hate it) and War3 and starcraft, counterstrike etc which people for some reason dont stop playing and somehow find non existant fun left in those games. How long does it take for it to get old?. Old games are damn good but u cant keep playing its 24/7 forever.

But dont get me wrong, there are many, many PC game i like.

Pc computer parts r cheap.So if u plan on buying new motheroard and processor and ram it might cost u a bomb if u buy it just as they r released,but if u wait for 4-5 months for the price drop they r dirt cheap.

Also my 2nd computer with my noob 7300GT garphics card can play all games currently relased.It can also max out almost all games especially unreal Engine games.And it can run crysis on medium-low settings with 30 fps.

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People have been playing the PS2 for 10 years...That's a pretty safe investment. ;) Plus $600 or 700 and an additional couple hundred every 5 years isn't much better than a console. Free online I'll give you, but then again, the PS3 and Wii have that.

PS2 gaphics doesnt compare with new gen graphics.Ofcourse there r still games released for ps2 but with outdated graphics.

So if u wana play those u get tons and tons of games released every year that u can play on pc with outdated graphics.

Also there r Lots of free MMOS released everyyear.And Nothing compares to fun u have with MMOS, ppl dont get their life sucked by MMOS for no reason.

SeanBond

we already know.themagicbum9720

Actually 360 is vastly ahead of PC, since it gets nearly all major PC games, with about equal visuals, and a vast array of its own exclusives and PS3 games like FF13, and all playable with a pad that i prefer 1000x more than the akward keyboard and mouse

PC what ? For 199$ i can have double the fun and games that matter to me than on PC, WRPG's, JRPG's, etc etc

So, xbox360 >>>>>>>>>> PCs

See the xbox 360 lineup below, and my top 30 most anticipated games, PC is vastly behind in games, sorry

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26715971&tag=topics;title

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and lol at all you who says pc is casual? im one of the most hardcore gamers on these forums hell i have 92 hours on my steam account for the last 2 weeks

proof http://steamcommunity.com/id/dr_rockso_the_rock_n_roll_clown

I can accept that some people prefer a gaming console as it requires less knowledge, less time etc. To a person without any real computer knowledge, I can appreciate how it is just the simpler option.

However, the reason I and many other hermits come to the PC gamings defence so so often is usually because of some console fanboy start posting X-game pwns Crysis, or writes a whole thread about how pc gaming is dying, it has no game etc etc. It ends up with the following list of arguements and then the thread dies and is then repeated. It goes something like this:

STAGE 1

Cow/Lem: "X-Game has better graphics than Crysis"

Hermit: *Posts Crysis Screenshots* Identifies objectively Crysis' poly count and numbers that technically put it beyond any console game. This is then repeated until we go to stage 2.

STAGE 2

Cow/Lem: "But you need the latest $2000 rig to max (some even say run :lol:) Crysis"

Hermit: *Posts itemised list of a gaming rig* usually costing around $500 that runs Crysis on v-high with CCC mod.

Cow/Lem: "But you need monitor, speakers etc"

Hermit: "No, we simply plug it into the same HDTV, PC monitor or SDTV that you would plug your console into!"

STAGE 3

Cow/Lem: "But you need to upgrade every 6 months!"

Hermit: "No, a gaming PC bought at the same time as the consoles were released will still run any game currently being released or due to be released this gen and can run any multiplat game better than the console counter-part". We also often explain the difference between enthusiasts and general pc gamers but console that can really mess with some peoples' minds se we try and keep our explanations simple :D

STAGE 4

Cows/Lems: "All the PC has is FPSs and RTSs!"

Hermits: "While the platform does excel in those genres, it is by no means limited to them!" *Produces list of AAAEs, AAEs and games due for release!*

Cows/Lems: "PC gaming is dying, devs are doing console games only!"

Hermits: "Whilst some of the more high-profile games have been going multi-plat, there has been more console games coming the other way onto PC" *Lists console games that have gone multi* "PC gaming is thriving, not dying"

STAGE 5

Is a mixture of responces then from cows/lems clutching at straws:

"Teh piracy"

"I prefer playing on a couch" (You can with a PC and a wireless controller and set it up so you actually have to get up off your backside less with a PC ;) )

"I don't like KB & M!"

"Can't do split-screen!"

or even some classics like "PC can't do HD" or "Fable 2s leaves are technically more impressive than Crysis')

then back to STAGE 1 in a different thread!

It is a simple case of cause and effect, action then responce and us hermits are usually the respondants but then get labelled as elitist or arrogant for proving consolites wrong.

We're constantly responding to console fanboys misunderstanding of PC gaming and no matter how many times we dispell a common but incorrect assumption from a consolite, it gets repeated over and over by another consolite who doesn't read the thread, skips to the last page and does all or some of the above. In another thread yesterday, a console fan asked for a $200 pc that can run GTA4. Being in the UK, I listed a PC that met those requirements and was the same price as a 360 here in the UK! The console fans simply ignored it and continued to post the same rubbish! Round and round we go....

...Its the circle of...*thinks of lion king tune* :cry:

*Post*

DAZZER7

Bravo. Hit the nail on the head.

I can accept that some people prefer a gaming console as it requires less knowledge, less time etc. To a person without any real computer knowledge, I can appreciate how it is just the simpler option.

However, the reason I and many other hermits come to the PC gamings defence so so often is usually because of some console fanboy start posting X-game pwns Crysis, or writes a whole thread about how pc gaming is dying, it has no game etc etc. It ends up with the following list of arguements and then the thread dies and is then repeated. It goes something like this:

STAGE 1

Cow/Lem: "X-Game has better graphics than Crysis"

Hermit: *Posts Crysis Screenshots* Identifies objectively Crysis' poly count and numbers that technically put it beyond any console game. This is then repeated until we go to stage 2.

STAGE 2

Cow/Lem: "But you need the latest $2000 rig to max (some even say run :lol:) Crysis"

Hermit: *Posts itemised list of a gaming rig* usually costing around $500 that runs Crysis on v-high with CCC mod.

Cow/Lem: "But you need monitor, speakers etc"

Hermit: "No, we simply plug it into the same HDTV, PC monitor or SDTV that you would plug your console into!"

STAGE 3

Cow/Lem: "But you need to upgrade every 6 months!"

Hermit: "No, a gaming PC bought at the same time as the consoles were released will still run any game currently being released or due to be released this gen and can run any multiplat game better than the console counter-part". We also often explain the difference between enthusiasts and general pc gamers but console that can really mess with some peoples' minds se we try and keep our explanations simple :D

STAGE 4

Cows/Lems: "All the PC has is FPSs and RTSs!"

Hermits: "While the platform does excel in those genres, it is by no means limited to them!" *Produces list of AAAEs, AAEs and games due for release!*

Cows/Lems: "PC gaming is dying, devs are doing console games only!"

Hermits: "Whilst some of the more high-profile games have been going multi-plat, there has been more console games coming the other way onto PC" *Lists console games that have gone multi* "PC gaming is thriving, not dying"

STAGE 5

Is a mixture of responces then from cows/lems clutching at straws:

"Teh piracy"

"I prefer playing on a couch" (You can with a PC and a wireless controller and set it up so you actually have to get up off your backside less with a PC ;) )

"I don't like KB & M!"

"Can't do split-screen!"

or even some classics like "PC can't do HD" or "Fable 2s leaves are technically more impressive than Crysis')

then back to STAGE 1 in a different thread!

It is a simple case of cause and effect, action then responce and us hermits are usually the respondants but then get labelled as elitist or arrogant for proving consolites wrong.

We're constantly responding to console fanboys misunderstanding of PC gaming and no matter how many times we dispell a common but incorrect assumption from a consolite, it gets repeated over and over by another consolite who doesn't read the thread, skips to the last page and does all or some of the above. In another thread yesterday, a console fan asked for a $200 pc that can run GTA4. Being in the UK, I listed a PC that met those requirements and was the same price as a 360 here in the UK! The console fans simply ignored it and continued to post the same rubbish! Round and round we go....

...Its the circle of...*thinks of lion king tune* :cry:

DAZZER7

great post bro! very well thought out. it is just a bummer about console fanboy's ignorance to pc gaming and how much better it is.

I can accept that some people prefer a gaming console as it requires less knowledge, less time etc. To a person without any real computer knowledge, I can appreciate how it is just the simpler option.

However, the reason I and many other hermits come to the PC gamings defence so so often is usually because of some console fanboy start posting X-game pwns Crysis, or writes a whole thread about how pc gaming is dying, it has no game etc etc. It ends up with the following list of arguements and then the thread dies and is then repeated. It goes something like this:

STAGE 1

Cow/Lem: "X-Game has better graphics than Crysis"

Hermit: *Posts Crysis Screenshots* Identifies objectively Crysis' poly count and numbers that technically put it beyond any console game. This is then repeated until we go to stage 2.

STAGE 2

Cow/Lem: "But you need the latest $2000 rig to max (some even say run :lol:) Crysis"

Hermit: *Posts itemised list of a gaming rig* usually costing around $500 that runs Crysis on v-high with CCC mod.

Cow/Lem: "But you need monitor, speakers etc"

Hermit: "No, we simply plug it into the same HDTV, PC monitor or SDTV that you would plug your console into!"

STAGE 3

Cow/Lem: "But you need to upgrade every 6 months!"

Hermit: "No, a gaming PC bought at the same time as the consoles were released will still run any game currently being released or due to be released this gen and can run any multiplat game better than the console counter-part". We also often explain the difference between enthusiasts and general pc gamers but console that can really mess with some peoples' minds se we try and keep our explanations simple :D

STAGE 4

Cows/Lems: "All the PC has is FPSs and RTSs!"

Hermits: "While the platform does excel in those genres, it is by no means limited to them!" *Produces list of AAAEs, AAEs and games due for release!*

Cows/Lems: "PC gaming is dying, devs are doing console games only!"

Hermits: "Whilst some of the more high-profile games have been going multi-plat, there has been more console games coming the other way onto PC" *Lists console games that have gone multi* "PC gaming is thriving, not dying"

STAGE 5

Is a mixture of responces then from cows/lems clutching at straws:

"Teh piracy"

"I prefer playing on a couch" (You can with a PC and a wireless controller and set it up so you actually have to get up off your backside less with a PC ;) )

"I don't like KB & M!"

"Can't do split-screen!"

or even some classics like "PC can't do HD" or "Fable 2s leaves are technically more impressive than Crysis')

then back to STAGE 1 in a different thread!

It is a simple case of cause and effect, action then responce and us hermits are usually the respondants but then get labelled as elitist or arrogant for proving consolites wrong.

We're constantly responding to console fanboys misunderstanding of PC gaming and no matter how many times we dispell a common but incorrect assumption from a consolite, it gets repeated over and over by another consolite who doesn't read the thread, skips to the last page and does all or some of the above. In another thread yesterday, a console fan asked for a $200 pc that can run GTA4. Being in the UK, I listed a PC that met those requirements and was the same price as a 360 here in the UK! The console fans simply ignored it and continued to post the same rubbish! Round and round we go....

...Its the circle of...*thinks of lion king tune* :cry:

DAZZER7

epic post is...epic

that ought to stop some fanboys from running rampant in this thread

All of those winning features and yet most devs primary gaming audiance is the console these days.

PC has lost its driving seat position.

pc wins period. if you feel bad about it get yourselfs gaming pc's:D you wont regret it i promiss8)

voodoochild815

All of those winning features and yet most devs primary gaming audiance is the console these days.

PC has lost its driving seat position.

angryfodder

The PC still has more developers than consoles, so your post fails.

I can accept that some people prefer a gaming console as it requires less knowledge, less time etc. To a person without any real computer knowledge, I can appreciate how it is just the simpler option.

However, the reason I and many other hermits come to the PC gamings defence so so often is usually because of some console fanboy start posting X-game pwns Crysis, or writes a whole thread about how pc gaming is dying, it has no game etc etc. It ends up with the following list of arguements and then the thread dies and is then repeated. It goes something like this:

STAGE 1

Cow/Lem: "X-Game has better graphics than Crysis"

Hermit: *Posts Crysis Screenshots* Identifies objectively Crysis' poly count and numbers that technically put it beyond any console game. This is then repeated until we go to stage 2.

STAGE 2

Cow/Lem: "But you need the latest $2000 rig to max (some even say run :lol:) Crysis"

Hermit: *Posts itemised list of a gaming rig* usually costing around $500 that runs Crysis on v-high with CCC mod.

Cow/Lem: "But you need monitor, speakers etc"

Hermit: "No, we simply plug it into the same HDTV, PC monitor or SDTV that you would plug your console into!"

STAGE 3

Cow/Lem: "But you need to upgrade every 6 months!"

Hermit: "No, a gaming PC bought at the same time as the consoles were released will still run any game currently being released or due to be released this gen and can run any multiplat game better than the console counter-part". We also often explain the difference between enthusiasts and general pc gamers but console that can really mess with some peoples' minds se we try and keep our explanations simple :D

STAGE 4

Cows/Lems: "All the PC has is FPSs and RTSs!"

Hermits: "While the platform does excel in those genres, it is by no means limited to them!" *Produces list of AAAEs, AAEs and games due for release!*

Cows/Lems: "PC gaming is dying, devs are doing console games only!"

Hermits: "Whilst some of the more high-profile games have been going multi-plat, there has been more console games coming the other way onto PC" *Lists console games that have gone multi* "PC gaming is thriving, not dying"

STAGE 5

Is a mixture of responces then from cows/lems clutching at straws:

"Teh piracy"

"I prefer playing on a couch" (You can with a PC and a wireless controller and set it up so you actually have to get up off your backside less with a PC ;) )

"I don't like KB & M!"

"Can't do split-screen!"

or even some classics like "PC can't do HD" or "Fable 2s leaves are technically more impressive than Crysis')

then back to STAGE 1 in a different thread!

It is a simple case of cause and effect, action then responce and us hermits are usually the respondants but then get labelled as elitist or arrogant for proving consolites wrong.

We're constantly responding to console fanboys misunderstanding of PC gaming and no matter how many times we dispell a common but incorrect assumption from a consolite, it gets repeated over and over by another consolite who doesn't read the thread, skips to the last page and does all or some of the above. In another thread yesterday, a console fan asked for a $200 pc that can run GTA4. Being in the UK, I listed a PC that met those requirements and was the same price as a 360 here in the UK! The console fans simply ignored it and continued to post the same rubbish! Round and round we go....

...Its the circle of...*thinks of lion king tune* :cry:

DAZZER7

Best post of the year.

[QUOTE="angryfodder"]

All of those winning features and yet most devs primary gaming audiance is the console these days.

PC has lost its driving seat position.

steve17989

The PC still has more developers than consoles, so your post fails.

And PC will still usually get the better version of the game.

But it is still held back by the limitations of console hardware.

[QUOTE="DAZZER7"]

I can accept that some people prefer a gaming console as it requires less knowledge, less time etc. To a person without any real computer knowledge, I can appreciate how it is just the simpler option.

However, the reason I and many other hermits come to the PC gamings defence so so often is usually because of some console fanboy start posting X-game pwns Crysis, or writes a whole thread about how pc gaming is dying, it has no game etc etc. It ends up with the following list of arguements and then the thread dies and is then repeated. It goes something like this:

STAGE 1

Cow/Lem: "X-Game has better graphics than Crysis"

Hermit: *Posts Crysis Screenshots* Identifies objectively Crysis' poly count and numbers that technically put it beyond any console game. This is then repeated until we go to stage 2.

STAGE 2

Cow/Lem: "But you need the latest $2000 rig to max (some even say run :lol:) Crysis"

Hermit: *Posts itemised list of a gaming rig* usually costing around $500 that runs Crysis on v-high with CCC mod.

Cow/Lem: "But you need monitor, speakers etc"

Hermit: "No, we simply plug it into the same HDTV, PC monitor or SDTV that you would plug your console into!"

STAGE 3

Cow/Lem: "But you need to upgrade every 6 months!"

Hermit: "No, a gaming PC bought at the same time as the consoles were released will still run any game currently being released or due to be released this gen and can run any multiplat game better than the console counter-part". We also often explain the difference between enthusiasts and general pc gamers but console that can really mess with some peoples' minds se we try and keep our explanations simple :D

STAGE 4

Cows/Lems: "All the PC has is FPSs and RTSs!"

Hermits: "While the platform does excel in those genres, it is by no means limited to them!" *Produces list of AAAEs, AAEs and games due for release!*

Cows/Lems: "PC gaming is dying, devs are doing console games only!"

Hermits: "Whilst some of the more high-profile games have been going multi-plat, there has been more console games coming the other way onto PC" *Lists console games that have gone multi* "PC gaming is thriving, not dying"

STAGE 5

Is a mixture of responces then from cows/lems clutching at straws:

"Teh piracy"

"I prefer playing on a couch" (You can with a PC and a wireless controller and set it up so you actually have to get up off your backside less with a PC ;) )

"I don't like KB & M!"

"Can't do split-screen!"

or even some classics like "PC can't do HD" or "Fable 2s leaves are technically more impressive than Crysis')

then back to STAGE 1 in a different thread!

It is a simple case of cause and effect, action then responce and us hermits are usually the respondants but then get labelled as elitist or arrogant for proving consolites wrong.

We're constantly responding to console fanboys misunderstanding of PC gaming and no matter how many times we dispell a common but incorrect assumption from a consolite, it gets repeated over and over by another consolite who doesn't read the thread, skips to the last page and does all or some of the above. In another thread yesterday, a console fan asked for a $200 pc that can run GTA4. Being in the UK, I listed a PC that met those requirements and was the same price as a 360 here in the UK! The console fans simply ignored it and continued to post the same rubbish! Round and round we go....

...Its the circle of...*thinks of lion king tune* :cry:

steve17989

Best post of the year.

i own both (high end PC and 360/ps2)

I will never get why people deny that PC games look better, or that PC gaming is a viable option for the price.

[QUOTE="steve17989"][QUOTE="angryfodder"]

All of those winning features and yet most devs primary gaming audiance is the console these days.

PC has lost its driving seat position.

angryfodder

The PC still has more developers than consoles, so your post fails.

And PC will still usually get the better version of the game.

But it is still held back by the limitations of console hardware.

Mainsteam games, that it. There are quite a few developers (mostly from Europe) who push PC hardware quite a bit, whether it be with Physics or straight up technical Graphics. There are also a few of multiplat games that will take advantage of the PC's extra power in the future (such as Doom 4, Operation Flashpoint 2, Alan Wake etc)

[QUOTE="steve17989"][QUOTE="angryfodder"]

All of those winning features and yet most devs primary gaming audiance is the console these days.

PC has lost its driving seat position.

angryfodder

The PC still has more developers than consoles, so your post fails.

And PC will still usually get the better version of the game.

But it is still held back by the limitations of console hardware.

Depends on what you like. Some people enjoy the games available on consoles. Does the PC have anything like Uncharted? Shadow of the Colossus? Final Fantasy XIII(i wish they would release this on PC)? Nope. And they are much less of a hassle. AAllxxjjnn

There are also a few of multiplat games that will take advantage of the PC's extra power in the future (such as Doom 4, Operation Flashpoint 2, Alan Wake etc)steve17989

Aren't they all multiplat titles? How will they be taking advantage of the PC's extra power other that higher resolutions and frame rates?

Thats a geniune question....I'm not saying that they won't be better versions, i've just not heard anything to say any different.

Crysis, Stalker Clear Sky, World In Conflict say that PC doesnt get held back.6matt6

I wouldn't argue with any of that. But I would say that Crytek (sp?) I believe have now gone multiplat. Stalker I've not played. And world in conflict is a genre that consoles always fail at. I don't care what anyone tells me, i'll never think RTS played with a controller is a good idea.

[QUOTE="steve17989"] There are also a few of multiplat games that will take advantage of the PC's extra power in the future (such as Doom 4, Operation Flashpoint 2, Alan Wake etc)angryfodder

Aren't they all multiplat titles? How will they be taking advantage of the PC's extra power other that higher resolutions and frame rates?

Thats a geniune question....I'm not saying that they won't be better versions, i've just not heard anything to say any different.

Alan Wake will be using DX10 effects exclusive to PC. Operation Flashpoint 2 will feature 32 player multiplayer for the PC version. Doom 4 will look significantly better than the console versions, according to John Carmack

i think hermit should stop bashing console . your problem isnt console gaming its piracy and you know that.legol1

Nice damage control!:lol: