PC's>>>>Consoles this argument needs to end

so true, i'm going to be sending u a PM about ur oblivion mods i'm kind of curious of what mods there are for it.iam2green

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/categories.php

Check out a couple screens... This is just an example of one of the thousands of armors you can download, and it also has the texture update pack.

to lem/cows i would like to end this i dont have a ps3 or 360 but i have said countless time for stuff like gears 2 cause i loved gears 1 and resistance man that would be fun on pc dont get me wrong i love my pc. but the consoles just dont get wants to play them now that i have been a pc gamer since i was 10 (i am 18 now) i love that i have my net and xfire and such all on one thing and i really love pc controls (i owned a ps2 and have used the controller) with the pc controls alot of different genres such as fps and rts and even some platformers play great on pc. the thing with games is pc gets many games from consoles and which is good because pc is the reasons consoles exist and its great that consoles help keep pc alive but alot of pc exclusives.

do that as well but with out pc consoles wouldnt exist none the less. microsoft loves money and created the xbox to get even more money thats why it exists because they just love money and saw that consoles where becomeing popular. anyway alot of console players (note i didnt say fanboy being respective) say that piracy is the reason pc is dying piracy is bad but no it cant kill a platform the fact that there is scum who dont buy games i ahve played sport and worked just to pay for games and i belive if someone makes a good game you should pay for it. the thing with consoles alot of ppl say as well is that its dying which is far from true when pc is still getting exclusives and is getting games that are designed on pc for consoles and they get a version of it, which help the pc market grow so what i am trying to say is that pc gaming isnt dieing its growing. like i have read what system you play on is preferance i really dont like ppl whoa re ignorant and wont even try pc cause they just think its stupid i play 360 and ps3 and friends house and i have fun but imo not nearly as much as on my pc.

i honestly love the gaming market and love games as w whole and what i really dont like is ppl who disrepect pc gamers as whole for what some ppl think i mean like i said its preference. the graphics are better on a pc because we have More advanced cards and no normal pc gamers do nto upgrade every 2 months its more like 2-3years pc is actually becoming alot less to run all games more around 500-700 which if i remeber is the orginal prce on ps3 (dont know sry). anyway there are more features on a pc so if you look at it is the more advanced platform but there still are cool reasons to enjoy consoles i realize that this arguement will never end but this is just my two cents enjoy killzone 2 ps3 owners i had killzone 1 on ps2 and its was bad i hope that they fix ti with killzone 2.

I simply consider PC gaming much too different compared to console gaming, yet I agree on some points:

-PCs have more backwards compatibility than any other gaming system

.-PCs were already made in HD video (VGA moitors are equivalennt to 480p TVs, XGAs are slightly better then 720p TVs, and many monitors already are beyond 2400 pixels X 1800 pixels).

-PCs are more flexible tools.

-PC games are cheaper (they use the standard disc formats and the computer's imput controls).

-PCs have more computing power (when chosen right).

-PCs are upgradable beyond a gen's span

-There are more PC repairpersons than console repairpersons.

Even so, I would say that console gaming has some good advantages too:

-Unless you have a powerful, costly or upgraded laptop, consoles are much more protable.

-At least until the 6th gen, consoles were only intended to manage vidoegames (now it's a different story). So why spend extra cash on features you don't want!?

-If any major problems ruin your console, there is no risk of having your worktools damaged.

-Most people have TVs on more accesible places to share with friends, when compared to PCs.

-More people have TVs than PCs (consoles work on PCs).

-Consoles are much less vulnerable to malicious software (virus, trojans, spyware...).

-Consoles are less fragile (good for kids' fun).

-There are more videogames for consoles than PCs.

-Provide more simultaneous offline multiplayer (why don't game developers take advantage of this!?).

That's my comparison. Consider it when deciding which one is better to you. Otherwise, you may get frustrated on System Wars (I get amused by debating here).

*Gamespot Critical Acclaim*

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Total AAAA (# exclusive)

• PS3: 2 (1)
• 360: 1 (0)

Total AAA (# exclusive)

• PC: 18 (10)
• 360: 15 (4)
• PS3: 10 (2)
• Wii: 6 (4)

Total AA (# exclusive)

• PC: 83 (57)
• 360: 74 (12)
• PS3: 45 (4)
• Wii: 24 (7)

----------------------------------

• Consoles AAAAE = 1
• PC AAAAE = 0

• Consoles AAAE = 8
• PC = AAAE = 10

• Consoles AAE = 23
• PC AAE = 57

67 > 32 and this comparison is with all consoles. When you compare platform to platform well it just makes it that much easier.

-More people have TVs than PCs (consoles work on PCs).

-Consoles are much less vulnerable to malicious software (virus, trojans, spyware...)

-There are more videogames for consoles than PCs.

-Provide more simultaneous offline multiplayer (why don't game developers take advantage of this!?).

[QUOTE="MachineLike7"]

LOL that didnt go so well.

And the bbc like the news station??

blue_hazy_basic

The Vic20 wasn't a particularly great success mind you, although I did lose a few hours playing Gorf on one back in the day.

Unless you have a powerful, costly or upgraded laptop, consoles are much more protable.DragonxanderPR

At least until the 6th gen, consoles were only intended to manage vidoegames (now it's a different story). So why spend extra cash on features you don't want!?

If any major problems ruin your console, there is no risk of having your worktools damaged.

[QUOTE="lowe0"]

[QUOTE="mo0ksi"]Some console gamers just don't care for what was mentioned in the OP. If they really cared for mods and the improved visuals in multiplats then you would see a massive shift of people going from console to PC gaming. But you don't see that.

Like it's been said time and time again all of it is down to preference and nothing more. You can't just expect a console gamer to read this thread and drop everything to start gaming on PC. The same can be said about console gaming.blue_hazy_basic

Don't act like you don't know why people make those comparison threads. That's just the ordinary fanboy discussion that makes SW a dinamic place. They're not really after the extra pixel that makes no difference for the naked eye, with the game in motion. They just want to bash the other console and brag that their's has the superior version. The guy up there is right: if people really cared for the difference the PC offer, they'd buy it instead of a console. Those discussions will always exist in this place. Sadly.

*Gamespot Critical Acclaim*

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Total AAAA (# exclusive)

• PS3: 2 (1)
• 360: 1 (0)

Total AAA (# exclusive)

• PC: 18 (10)
• 360: 15 (4)
• PS3: 10 (2)
• Wii: 6 (4)

Total AA (# exclusive)

• PC: 83 (57)
• 360: 74 (12)
• PS3: 45 (4)
• Wii: 24 (7)

----------------------------------

• Consoles AAAAE = 1
• PC AAAAE = 0

• Consoles AAAE = 8
• PC = AAAE = 10

• Consoles AAE = 23
• PC AAE = 57

67 > 32 and this comparison is with all consoles. When you compare platform to platform well it just makes it that much easier.

Blackbond

Why don't you show me how many of those won awards man I mean if PC has all the great games they would have been awarded. And don't start with "websites are bias" or "Awards prove nothing" When in fact awards equal popularity The only thing that happened here was a list of games that were graded on a system doesn't mean it's the best to game on or that all prefer those games

Why don't you show me how many of those won awards man I mean if PC has all the great games they would have been awarded. And don't start with "websites are bias" or "Awards prove nothing" When in fact awards equal popularity The only thing that happened here was a list of games that were graded on a system doesn't mean it's the best to game on or that all prefer those gamesjasonheyman

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

*Gamespot Critical Acclaim*

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Total AAAA (# exclusive)

• PS3: 2 (1)
• 360: 1 (0)

Total AAA (# exclusive)

• PC: 18 (10)
• 360: 15 (4)
• PS3: 10 (2)
• Wii: 6 (4)

Total AA (# exclusive)

• PC: 83 (57)
• 360: 74 (12)
• PS3: 45 (4)
• Wii: 24 (7)

----------------------------------

• Consoles AAAAE = 1
• PC AAAAE = 0

• Consoles AAAE = 8
• PC = AAAE = 10

• Consoles AAE = 23
• PC AAE = 57

67 > 32 and this comparison is with all consoles. When you compare platform to platform well it just makes it that much easier.

jasonheyman

Why don't you show me how many of those won awards man I mean if PC has all the great games they would have been awarded. And don't start with "websites are bias" or "Awards prove nothing" When in fact awards equal popularity The only thing that happened here was a list of games that were graded on a system doesn't mean it's the best to game on or that all prefer those games

You're trying too hard.

However, I do know that Both Half Life, and Half Life 2 (Before Console versions) won plenty of awards.

Im sure there's many more, but I dont feel like searching.

[QUOTE="jasonheyman"]Why don't you show me how many of those won awards man I mean if PC has all the great games they would have been awarded. And don't start with "websites are bias" or "Awards prove nothing" When in fact awards equal popularity The only thing that happened here was a list of games that were graded on a system doesn't mean it's the best to game on or that all prefer those gamesVandalvideo

Yeah sure,even though going by Gamespot scores gives the PC the most AA and up games.:roll:

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

*Gamespot Critical Acclaim*

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Total AAAA (# exclusive)

• PS3: 2 (1)
• 360: 1 (0)

Total AAA (# exclusive)

• PC: 18 (10)
• 360: 15 (4)
• PS3: 10 (2)
• Wii: 6 (4)

Total AA (# exclusive)

• PC: 83 (57)
• 360: 74 (12)
• PS3: 45 (4)
• Wii: 24 (7)

----------------------------------

• Consoles AAAAE = 1
• PC AAAAE = 0

• Consoles AAAE = 8
• PC = AAAE = 10

• Consoles AAE = 23
• PC AAE = 57

67 > 32 and this comparison is with all consoles. When you compare platform to platform well it just makes it that much easier.

jasonheyman

Why don't you show me how many of those won awards man I mean if PC has all the great games they would have been awarded. And don't start with "websites are bias" or "Awards prove nothing" When in fact awards equal popularity The only thing that happened here was a list of games that were graded on a system doesn't mean it's the best to game on or that all prefer those games

Seriously, this argument is so tired. The only point I'll address is that it's ridiculous to say that you'll only spend $200 every 4-5 years to keep your PC up to the most current gaming standards. Really, I'm sure you know better. PC gaming isn't as expensive as consolites would have us believe, but it IS more expensive than that. Anyway, these threads are sad. They make both sides look like idiots. Please stop.BigJerm1

It's all opinion of choice.

I rather consoles for better controls. Keyboard and mouse doesn't cut it for me.

Graphics. Honestly I could care less if the textures are that much more fluent. It's not the graphics alone I go for in a game; it's the overall concept. It's the same game no matter which way you look at it.

Game-wise, there are no Nintendo on PC. Again, this is all of choice. Some could care less; I do. I like my Brawl, and it would be ruined beyond all form if put on a PC. At least the online would work for once, though..

Mods, PC wins no doubt. For more content and replayability.

Consoles don't have to bother with upkeep, installing, space (memory may be a pain at times, but a memory card is a BIT cheaper than an external/another harddrive, and less bothersome), not to mention you can let friends borrow any game and swap. It saves money from renting/buying since most games don't last a week. PC, I'm not even going there.

As for behavior online, it's even. I've dealt with little kids, 'noobs', elitist asses (which are even worse), and the whole damn peanut gallery on both console and PC. Where do you cross the line from casual to 'serious' gaming? When you spend over $300 a month on games? Games are meant for enjoyment. Everyone has a different life that they live. Some are busy and deal with sickly parents, some may game but like going out with friends a lot more, some may have to work full time with college. Behavior and gaming-'conditions'(?) are all different for each person.

Yeah sure,even though going by Gamespot scores gives the PC the most AA and up games.:roll:789shadow

67 > 32 and this comparison is with all consoles. When you compare platform to platform well it just makes it that much easier.

Blackbond

Your numbers are a bit out of date, they should be more like:

*Gamespot Critical Acclaim*

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Total AAAA (# exclusive)

• PS3: 2 (1)
• 360: 1 (0)

Total AAA (# exclusive)

• PC: 22 (11)
• 360: 18 (5)
• PS3: 16 (2)
• Wii: 6 (4)

Total AA (# exclusive)

• PC: 93 (60)
• 360: 87 (14)
• PS3: 60 (6)
• Wii: 27 (7)

----------------------------------

• Consoles AAAAE = 1
• PC AAAAE = 0

• Consoles AAAE = 11
• PC = AAAE = 11

• Consoles AAE = 27
• PC AAE = 60

[QUOTE="789shadow"]Yeah sure,even though going by Gamespot scores gives the PC the most AA and up games.:roll:Vandalvideo

Yeah,Gamespot is console biased because it didn't review PC Billiards.:roll:

With all the technical mumbo jumbo. yes, PC's pwn all consoles.

But since when has gaming been all about the graphics? In other respects, I would say that consoles pwn PC's. The Wii is arguably a much better party system than anything out there. Also, game wise, PC's have nothing on consoles. Some of my favorite games don't have a PC version.

You can't just say flat out that this is true. Its nice for your opinion, but you shouldn't force it on anyone else.

Yeah,Gamespot is console biased because it didn't review PC Billiards.:roll:789shadow

With all the technical mumbo jumbo. yes, PC's pwn all consoles.

But since when has gaming been all about the graphics? In other respects, I would say that consoles pwn PC's. The Wii is arguably a much better party system than anything out there. Also, game wise, PC's have nothing on consoles. Some of my favorite games don't have a PC version.

You can't just say flat out that this is true. Its nice for your opinion, but you shouldn't force it on anyone else.

vidplayer8

it all goes to what you think gaming is. If you think gaming is serious business they you won't mind spending the extra time and money and you won't mind the extra hassle either. If you are a casual gamer then consoles are a good bet.

I'm the latter. I am a casual gamer. I still enjoy a lot of challenge in my games, I still play many hours every week, I still spend a lot of money, and I still keep up to date on the latest developments in the gaming universe (I come here regularly after all), but my devotion to gaming only goes so far. I am no computer expert but I know how to install any kind of software or hardware and I know what to do when things don't work out well. It's just getting to me, more and more.

I'm currently looking to get out of pc gaming almost altogether. When I replace my now obsolete desktop PC, I may replace it with a Mac laptop and stick with my console for gaming. I don't think i would be giving up all that much, and I basically could put all this technical garbage behind me.

the pc is technically superior in every way. yet i like console gaming. maybe, just maybe, its not about technical stuff? well, whatever. i know that arguing on gamespot isn't completely fruitless or anything like that, so i'll let you guys continue your utterly important debate.

oh, pc games are awesome, btw. bf2, m2: tw, original cs, half-life, bf 1942 was awesome. mods make them great. i like all games that are fun, regardless of platform.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]Yeah,Gamespot is console biased because it didn't review PC Billiards.:roll:Vandalvideo

Yet it has that list of AA and up games. Yeah this website totally ignores PC games :roll:

Yet it has that list of AA and up games. Yeah this website totally ignores PC games :roll:jasonheyman

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

67 > 32 and this comparison is with all consoles. When you compare platform to platform well it just makes it that much easier.

agentfred

Your numbers are a bit out of date, they should be more like:

*Gamespot Critical Acclaim*

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Total AAAA (# exclusive)

• PS3: 2 (1)
• 360: 1 (0)

Total AAA (# exclusive)

• PC: 22 (11)
• 360: 18 (5)
• PS3: 16 (2)
• Wii: 6 (4)

Total AA (# exclusive)

• PC: 93 (60)
• 360: 87 (14)
• PS3: 60 (6)
• Wii: 27 (7)

----------------------------------

• Consoles AAAAE = 1
• PC AAAAE = 0

• Consoles AAAE = 11
• PC = AAAE = 11

• Consoles AAE = 27
• PC AAE = 60

So, yeah, same idea, just slightly different numbers.
Source: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pc5oLqpenpT78W87pMfgvBA&gid=3

Thanks for the update. You should PM it to mod to update the offical thread.

[QUOTE="jasonheyman"]Yet it has that list of AA and up games. Yeah this website totally ignores PC games :roll:Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="vidplayer8"]

With all the technical mumbo jumbo. yes, PC's pwn all consoles.

But since when has gaming been all about the graphics? In other respects, I would say that consoles pwn PC's. The Wii is arguably a much better party system than anything out there. Also, game wise, PC's have nothing on consoles. Some of my favorite games don't have a PC version.

You can't just say flat out that this is true. Its nice for your opinion, but you shouldn't force it on anyone else.

PC360Wii

I meant in general.

People are always trying to point out the fact that PC's have better graphics. And I don't see why that makes it better, nor why its even relevant.

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"][QUOTE="vidplayer8"]

With all the technical mumbo jumbo. yes, PC's pwn all consoles.

But since when has gaming been all about the graphics? In other respects, I would say that consoles pwn PC's. The Wii is arguably a much better party system than anything out there. Also, game wise, PC's have nothing on consoles. Some of my favorite games don't have a PC version.

You can't just say flat out that this is true. Its nice for your opinion, but you shouldn't force it on anyone else.

vidplayer8

I meant in general.

People are always trying to point out the fact that PC's have better graphics. And I don't see why that makes it better, nor why its even relevant.

Consoles don't have to bother with upkeep, installing, space (memory may be a pain at times, but a memory card is a BIT cheaper than an external/another harddrive, and less bothersome), not to mention you can let friends borrow any game and swap. It saves money from renting/buying since most games don't last a week. PC, I'm not even going there.

axem_metal

Consoles do have system updates and patches for games.

PS3 installs some of their games. In MGS4, you have to install the game 5 times even after you beat the game already. Also with steam you do not have to install. You download the game for a couple of hours and just click and play. No disc, installation, key code, or waiting required.

Memory card? I assume you're talking about the wii considering PS3 and 360 both don't use memory cards.

Yes that is a plus for console games. But when you say console games don't last a week, that's obviously not true for PC games. Personally I find PC games have more depth and are more fun than console games. I currently can find tons of servers for Team fortress 2 and that's probably over a year old. This is the same with starcraft, counterstrike, and generally all PC games.

Thanks for the update. You should PM it to mod to update the offical thread. Blackbond

[QUOTE="axem_metal"]

Consoles don't have to bother with upkeep, installing, space (memory may be a pain at times, but a memory card is a BIT cheaper than an external/another harddrive, and less bothersome), not to mention you can let friends borrow any game and swap. It saves money from renting/buying since most games don't last a week. PC, I'm not even going there.

bladeeagle

Consoles do have system updates and patches for games.

PS3 installs some of their games. In MGS4, you have to install the game 5 times even after you beat the game already. Also with steam you do not have to install. You download the game for a couple of hours and just click and play. No disc, installation, key code, or waiting required.

Memory card? I assume you're talking about the wii considering PS3 and 360 both don't use memory cards.

Yes that is a plus for console games. But when you say console games don't last a week, that's obviously not true for PC games. Personally I find PC games have more depth and are more fun than console games. I currently can find tons of servers for Team fortress 2 and that's probably over a year old. This is the same with starcraft, counterstrike, and generally all PC games.

I've never had an update take longer than 3 minutes, with most under a minute. It's not a hassle at all.

For the longevity of the game, it's pretty much it's fun factor, replayability, and if it's actually online/no linear ending. FPS's have no reason to worry. Games like Fable 2, Oblivion, Zelda, God of War, and such last very short compared to games with no ending. Sure, there's the completion of 100% that might drive you to finish everything, but it's lifespan of play is limited. In defense, the games are amazing and will stick to you much closer than others. It's pretty much the game. I finished up Black and White in a week, and the same applies for that PC game as well as any console game with an end.