People are insane these days. Selling a 360 for a ps3? WTF?

Sounds like something the 360 is going to go though come 2008. :lol:

Halo 3 - 640p LMFAO! LMFAO!

and its MS top 360 title.

cool_guy2000

[QUOTE="Nin360"]

Another lame arguement is for teh future titles.

I live int he present not in the future. If the future 360 library is bad then I will trade it in then. Right now it's spectaculor and ps3's library looks to get no better in the NEAR future.

NielsNL

How is this a lame argument. Two of my favourite franchises are GT and FF. When I decided to buy a next gen console this was one of the main reasons it was a PS3 I bought. I think a lot of other people are thinking along the same lines there. So it's safe to assume lots of people are going to choose a PS3 for this. How is this lame?

How? Because you are buying a console for a use of 1-2 years? Why wait 1-2 years? Youcould wait to those games actually come out and then buy it. THat is why

I don't know about the probles with the PS2 you're referring to, but I'm glad we agree again ;)

NielsNL

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"][QUOTE="xX0LDSCH00LXx"][QUOTE="Ragashahs"]some people get frustrated with RROD while other look at future and you have to admit PS3's future looks brighter than 360'sNin360

What a way to throw some 2009 games in there. Microsoft is not talking about their future lineup right now. Especially 2009

[QUOTE="NielsNL"][QUOTE="Nin360"]

Another lame arguement is for teh future titles.

I live int he present not in the future. If the future 360 library is bad then I will trade it in then. Right now it's spectaculor and ps3's library looks to get no better in the NEAR future.

Nin360

How is this a lame argument. Two of my favourite franchises are GT and FF. When I decided to buy a next gen console this was one of the main reasons it was a PS3 I bought. I think a lot of other people are thinking along the same lines there. So it's safe to assume lots of people are going to choose a PS3 for this. How is this lame?

How? Because you are buying a console for a use of 1-2 years? Why wait 1-2 years? Youcould wait to those games actually come out and then buy it. THat is why

But I didn't and probably lots of others didn't as well. And thats why it's no lame argument.

[QUOTE="cool_guy2000"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="xX0LDSCH00LXx"][QUOTE="cool_guy2000"]

[QUOTE="xX0LDSCH00LXx"]I know people who traded their PS3's for a 360.. so who cares! and RROD is a very lame argument now. People who buy a PS3 are either in itfor the BLU-RAY or, still caught up in the whole BS Sony hype train.. PERIOD!blue_hazy_basic

Geezus christ son, THINK.

RROD isn't a lame arguement, for the fact that its such a serious problem that still plagues gamers 2 years later. You don't just let that slip by, easily.

Considering the better PS3 titles out now, that BLURAY ONLY argument is getting alil old.

:lol:

ERRRR, How does a warrantee fix the problem? THAT FREE fix isn't a fix....but a temporary solution, the problem has yet to be corrected, since it concerns the GPU producing TO MUCH HEAT.

talk about denial.

lol good 1

[QUOTE="cool_guy2000"][QUOTE="Sgt_Crow"][QUOTE="cool_guy2000"][QUOTE="Sgt_Crow"][QUOTE="cool_guy2000"]

Why would people BUY, let alone Keep a Console that constantly breaks down and suffers such a SERIOUS problem?

blue_hazy_basic

Because it features their favorite games?
I didn't buy my GAMING console to watch blu-ray movies on it or play just 1 or 2 games on it I might like or fool myself that I'm curing cancer by keeping it on all the time.

If the PS3 would suffer from such heavy problems (much like the PS2 did last gen) I'm sure you wouldn't trade it in for a 360 just like that either.

1 or 2 games? Get with the times, GEEZ

PS2's problems were nothing compared to the SERIOUS overheating GPU issues the 360 goes through, DUH!

Now sit down .

Or you get with the times?
The blu-ray argument is as invalid as the RROD these days.
The new model has reduced the problems a LOT. Never had ANY problem with the 360 myself.

And I wasn't talking about overall PS3 games, but the ones actually worth getting a PS3 for.
DUH!!!11 (that sounds so nerdy, lol).

A lot? LMFAO talk about denial....The problem still remains..with even the so called "fixed Halo editon units" showing the RROD. And just because you haven't been through it doesn't mean know one else has, its HUGE problem, suck it up.

Uncharted

Heavenly Sword

Ninja Gaiden

COD 4

Oblivion

Ratchet and clank

Resistance

etc...is 1 or 2 titles?

:lol:

Err there still top PS3 titles...your point?

Can't forget Warhawk

Then why had the 360 sell so poorly this year before Halo 3 came out this year? In that lodgic should not the sales of the game system have been higher because people knew that Halo 3 was coming out?HarlockJC

I think you need to double check your numbers. The 360 sold just as good ALL this year as it did last year. Possibly more so. The problem is that some people, such as yourself, look at the SHIPPED numbers and confuse that for actual sales.

MS overshipped last year to pad the store shelves (and their numbers). This year, they shipments plummeted as stores still had units in stock. But if you look at their month SALES, as reported by NPD or some other similar company, they SOLD more in a month that they supposedly shipped. This is because stores were still able to easily sell the overstock.

Make no mistake at all. In every single region of the world, even Japan, sales of the 360 have been constant and slightly increasing as time progresses.

HOwever, to answer your loaded question, the 360 sold roughly 12 million consoles BEFORE Halo came out. Since every knows that a new Halo game was going to come out at some point, it is easy to make the arguement that people bought a 360 at launch (or shortly after) based purely on the fact they knew a Halo game would be out in the future.

[QUOTE="NielsNL"]I don't know about the probles with the PS2 you're referring to, but I'm glad we agree again ;)

blue_hazy_basic

And what did Sony do with the DRE's before the lawsuit?

[QUOTE="cool_guy2000"]Sounds like something the 360 is going to go though come 2008. :lol:

Halo 3 - 640p LMFAO! LMFAO!

and its MS top 360 title.

blue_hazy_basic

What, jaggies and non-HD resolution? :lol:

[QUOTE="Sgt_Crow"][QUOTE="cool_guy2000"][QUOTE="Sgt_Crow"][QUOTE="cool_guy2000"]

Why would people BUY, let alone Keep a Console that constantly breaks down and suffers such a SERIOUS problem?

cool_guy2000

Because it features their favorite games?
I didn't buy my GAMING console to watch blu-ray movies on it or play just 1 or 2 games on it I might like or fool myself that I'm curing cancer by keeping it on all the time.

If the PS3 would suffer from such heavy problems (much like the PS2 did last gen) I'm sure you wouldn't trade it in for a 360 just like that either.

1 or 2 games? Get with the times, GEEZ

PS2's problems were nothing compared to the SERIOUS overheating GPU issues the 360 goes through, DUH!

Now sit down .

Or you get with the times?
The blu-ray argument is as invalid as the RROD these days.
The new model has reduced the problems a LOT. Never had ANY problem with the 360 myself.

And I wasn't talking about overall PS3 games, but the ones actually worth getting a PS3 for.
DUH!!!11 (that sounds so nerdy, lol).

A lot? LMFAO talk about denial....The problem still remains..with even the so called "fixed Halo editon units" showing the RROD. And just because you haven't been through it doesn't mean know one else has, its HUGE problem, suck it up.

Uncharted

Heavenly Sword

Ninja Gaiden

COD 4

Oblivion

Ratchet and clank

Resistance

etc...is 1 or 2 titles?

:lol:

Denial? :lol:
You're pulling things out of your ass in your own favor.

Now for your list;
Only Uncharted and Ratched & Clank are actually worth having a PS3 for right now.

Err there still top PS3 titles...your point?

Can't forget Warhawk

cool_guy2000

My point is that if you are still talking about launch games and multiplats as selling points for the PS3 you're struggling. Did you buy HS, uncharted, etc? Cos if you did apparently you're pretty much on your own. All the PS3 has given us is weekend rental titles.

@ Ragashahs ROTFL!!! your a joke.xX0LDSCH00LXx

[QUOTE="cool_guy2000"]Err there still top PS3 titles...your point?

Can't forget Warhawk

blue_hazy_basic

My point is that if you are still talking about launch games and multiplats as selling points for the PS3 you're struggling. Did you buy HS, uncharted, etc? Cos if you did apparently you're pretty much on your own. All the PS3 has given us is weekend rental titles.

WHy do you make it sound like the PS3 has been out for 2 years?

What did the 360 have in its first year? Nothing but PC ports and few good titles.

Let it go, PS3 library is improving.

[QUOTE="xX0LDSCH00LXx"][QUOTE="cool_guy2000"]

[QUOTE="xX0LDSCH00LXx"]I know people who traded their PS3's for a 360.. so who cares! and RROD is a very lame argument now. People who buy a PS3 are either in itfor the BLU-RAY or, still caught up in the whole BS Sony hype train.. PERIOD!cool_guy2000

Geezus christ son, THINK.

RROD isn't a lame arguement, for the fact that its such a serious problem that still plagues gamers 2 years later. You don't just let that slip by, easily.

Considering the better PS3 titles out now, that BLURAY ONLY argument is getting alil old.

LMFAO! NO THEY HAVEN'T the problem has yet to be fix, with even the latest models breaking down, Halo edition/Elite..etc etc. Geez you lemz are hilarious.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="NielsNL"]I don't know about the probles with the PS2 you're referring to, but I'm glad we agree again ;)

NielsNL

And what did Sony do with the DRE's before the lawsuit?

People had to pay to ship the unit to Sony to get it fixed. I think it cost roughly $100 - $150. My buddy had his PS2 break.

Then again, I still have my launch PS2 and play it constantly. The difference is that I don't deny the PS2 had a problem when lemmings constantly bring it up to this very DAY.

The irony is that lemmings crucified Sony for the DRE. There were tons of threads where they claim to have sold their consoles and would never support sony ever again. They said Sony screwed their loyal followers by releasing a crappy console. They saif this is proof that Sony is arrogant and needs to be put in their place for thinking they could release faulty hardware and expect to be #1. They said they knew people who bought 3 or 4 PS2's (instead of just fixing it) and that was why they had such high sales. They laughed at anyone who claimed their launch unit (such as mine) had no problems and called the liars.

Granted, Sony handled the problem as bad as anyone could possibly imagine...but it's funny that suddenly the lemmings feelings have changed when it comes to the 360. Suddenly THEIR console doesn't break so they don't care. They claim the problem is actually small and blown out of proportion. They do anything they can to excuse MS and downplay the situation. They now consider it a totally stupid that anyone would buy a new console when they could just fix the old one. And of course, suddenly it is about the games. Games are way more important than faulty hardware.

The circle of fanboyism has come full circle. It's sad really.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="cool_guy2000"]Err there still top PS3 titles...your point?

Can't forget Warhawk

cool_guy2000

My point is that if you are still talking about launch games and multiplats as selling points for the PS3 you're struggling. Did you buy HS, uncharted, etc? Cos if you did apparently you're pretty much on your own. All the PS3 has given us is weekend rental titles.

WHy do you make it sound like the PS3 has been out for 2 years?

What did the 360 have in its first year? Nothing but PC ports and few good titles.

Let it go, PS3 library is improving.

Sony promised us the earth with the PS3 and delivered dirt.

[QUOTE="NielsNL"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="NielsNL"]I don't know about the probles with the PS2 you're referring to, but I'm glad we agree again ;)

ZIMdoom

And what did Sony do with the DRE's before the lawsuit?

People had to pay to ship the unit to Sony to get it fixed. I think it cost roughly $100 - $150. My buddy had his PS2 break.

Then again, I still have my launch PS2 and play it constantly. The difference is that I don't deny the PS2 had a problem when lemmings constantly bring it up to this very DAY.

The irony is that lemmings crucified Sony for the DRE. There were tons of threads where they claim to have sold their consoles and would never support sony ever again. They said Sony screwed their loyal followers by releasing a crappy console. They saif this is proof that Sony is arrogant and needs to be put in their place for thinking they could release faulty hardware and expect to be #1. They said they knew people who bought 3 or 4 PS2's (instead of just fixing it) and that was why they had such high sales. They laughed at anyone who claimed their launch unit (such as mine) had no problems and called the liars.

Granted, Sony handled the problem as bad as anyone could possibly imagine...but it's funny that suddenly the lemmings feelings have changed when it comes to the 360. Suddenly THEIR console doesn't break so they don't care. They claim the problem is actually small and blown out of proportion. They do anything they can to excuse MS and downplay the situation. They now consider it a totally stupid that anyone would buy a new console when they could just fix the old one. And of course, suddenly it is about the games. Games are way more important than faulty hardware.

The circle of fanboyism has come full circle. It's sad really.

EDIT nobody sensible claims the 360 doesn't break lol :P

[QUOTE="NielsNL"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="NielsNL"]I don't know about the probles with the PS2 you're referring to, but I'm glad we agree again ;)

ZIMdoom

And what did Sony do with the DRE's before the lawsuit?

People had to pay to ship the unit to Sony to get it fixed. I think it cost roughly $100 - $150. My buddy had his PS2 break.

Then again, I still have my launch PS2 and play it constantly. The difference is that I don't deny the PS2 had a problem when lemmings constantly bring it up to this very DAY.

The irony is that lemmings crucified Sony for the DRE. There were tons of threads where they claim to have sold their consoles and would never support sony ever again. They said Sony screwed their loyal followers by releasing a crappy console. They saif this is proof that Sony is arrogant and needs to be put in their place for thinking they could release faulty hardware and expect to be #1. They said they knew people who bought 3 or 4 PS2's (instead of just fixing it) and that was why they had such high sales. They laughed at anyone who claimed their launch unit (such as mine) had no problems and called the liars.

Granted, Sony handled the problem as bad as anyone could possibly imagine...but it's funny that suddenly the lemmings feelings have changed when it comes to the 360. Suddenly THEIR console doesn't break so they don't care. They claim the problem is actually small and blown out of proportion. They do anything they can to excuse MS and downplay the situation. They now consider it a totally stupid that anyone would buy a new console when they could just fix the old one. And of course, suddenly it is about the games. Games are way more important than faulty hardware.

The circle of fanboyism has come full circle. It's sad really.

Good post. Very informative for me.

If Sony did that it doesn't make them look good. How long did the DRE's exist and what percentage of consooles were getting them?

I don't. The 360 had some awesome games in its first year (Dead Rising for example) but cows spent alot of that year bashing the 360's library, irony much? The 360 also by this time had rolled out Oblivion (which came out a year later for the PS3 with minimal improvement) and Gears which set a new benchmark for console games.

Sony promised us the earth with the PS3 and delivered dirt.

blue_hazy_basic

It's release has just been over a year ago in the US and in other parts of the world it was even less long ago. Too soon to already claim the PS3 hasn't delivered. The big exclusive ip's likeFF, GT, MGS and GOWstill are yet to come. You can't deny these games appeal to a lot of people and are quite important to the PS3's (potential)succes.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] I don't. The 360 had some awesome games in its first year (Dead Rising for example) but cows spent alot of that year bashing the 360's library, irony much? The 360 also by this time had rolled out Oblivion (which came out a year later for the PS3 with minimal improvement) and Gears which set a new benchmark for console games.

Sony promised us the earth with the PS3 and delivered dirt.

NielsNL

It's release has just been over a year ago in the US and in other parts of the world it was even less long ago. Too soon to already claim the PS3 hasn't delivered. The big exclusive ip's likeFF, GT, MGS and GOWstill are yet to come. You can't deny these games appeal to a lot of people and are quite important to the PS3's (potential)succes.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="cool_guy2000"][QUOTE="Sgt_Crow"][QUOTE="cool_guy2000"][QUOTE="Sgt_Crow"][QUOTE="cool_guy2000"]

Why would people BUY, let alone Keep a Console that constantly breaks down and suffers such a SERIOUS problem?

cool_guy2000

Because it features their favorite games?
I didn't buy my GAMING console to watch blu-ray movies on it or play just 1 or 2 games on it I might like or fool myself that I'm curing cancer by keeping it on all the time.

If the PS3 would suffer from such heavy problems (much like the PS2 did last gen) I'm sure you wouldn't trade it in for a 360 just like that either.

1 or 2 games? Get with the times, GEEZ

PS2's problems were nothing compared to the SERIOUS overheating GPU issues the 360 goes through, DUH!

Now sit down .

Or you get with the times?
The blu-ray argument is as invalid as the RROD these days.
The new model has reduced the problems a LOT. Never had ANY problem with the 360 myself.

And I wasn't talking about overall PS3 games, but the ones actually worth getting a PS3 for.
DUH!!!11 (that sounds so nerdy, lol).

A lot? LMFAO talk about denial....The problem still remains..with even the so called "fixed Halo editon units" showing the RROD. And just because you haven't been through it doesn't mean know one else has, its HUGE problem, suck it up.

Uncharted

Heavenly Sword

Ninja Gaiden

COD 4

Oblivion

Ratchet and clank

Resistance

etc...is 1 or 2 titles?

:lol:

Err there still top PS3 titles...your point?

Can't forget Warhawk

[QUOTE="ZarBlayda"]hes probably thinking about the future when the PS3 will have a line up like the 360 does now and when the 360 is maxed out at its power.xX0LDSCH00LXx

But what if its true? The PS3 will get many good games in 2008 and the graphics are beginning to pass the 360 right now!

Look at Gran Turismo 5 and Uncharted! Both of those look better than any 360 game!

Why would people BUY, let alone Keep a Console that constantly breaks down and suffers such a SERIOUS problem? cool_guy2000

My 2 year old launch console says hello.. :D

[QUOTE="NielsNL"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] I don't. The 360 had some awesome games in its first year (Dead Rising for example) but cows spent alot of that year bashing the 360's library, irony much? The 360 also by this time had rolled out Oblivion (which came out a year later for the PS3 with minimal improvement) and Gears which set a new benchmark for console games.

Sony promised us the earth with the PS3 and delivered dirt.

blue_hazy_basic

It's release has just been over a year ago in the US and in other parts of the world it was even less long ago. Too soon to already claim the PS3 hasn't delivered. The big exclusive ip's likeFF, GT, MGS and GOWstill are yet to come. You can't deny these games appeal to a lot of people and are quite important to the PS3's (potential)succes.

LoL! I know what you're talking about. I tend to get modded when I let myself get carreid away in a fanboy discussion. It's fun to do though now and then, the mods should respect that :lol:

Funniest thing: I got suspended a while back for calling someone a biased fanboy. For a week! I sent GS customer service a mail that I didn't agree because I felt it was like stating that grass is green and my suspension got cancelled because they kinda agreed. :D

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"][QUOTE="NielsNL"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="NielsNL"]I don't know about the probles with the PS2 you're referring to, but I'm glad we agree again ;)

blue_hazy_basic

And what did Sony do with the DRE's before the lawsuit?

People had to pay to ship the unit to Sony to get it fixed. I think it cost roughly $100 - $150. My buddy had his PS2 break.

Then again, I still have my launch PS2 and play it constantly. The difference is that I don't deny the PS2 had a problem when lemmings constantly bring it up to this very DAY.

The irony is that lemmings crucified Sony for the DRE. There were tons of threads where they claim to have sold their consoles and would never support sony ever again. They said Sony screwed their loyal followers by releasing a crappy console. They saif this is proof that Sony is arrogant and needs to be put in their place for thinking they could release faulty hardware and expect to be #1. They said they knew people who bought 3 or 4 PS2's (instead of just fixing it) and that was why they had such high sales. They laughed at anyone who claimed their launch unit (such as mine) had no problems and called the liars.

Granted, Sony handled the problem as bad as anyone could possibly imagine...but it's funny that suddenly the lemmings feelings have changed when it comes to the 360. Suddenly THEIR console doesn't break so they don't care. They claim the problem is actually small and blown out of proportion. They do anything they can to excuse MS and downplay the situation. They now consider it a totally stupid that anyone would buy a new console when they could just fix the old one. And of course, suddenly it is about the games. Games are way more important than faulty hardware.

The circle of fanboyism has come full circle. It's sad really.

EDIT nobody sensible claims the 360 doesn't break lol :P

I appreciate the edit...however I never said that people "claim the 360 doesn't break." I simply said that lemmings now downplay it, makes excuses for it, and now laugh at the very arguements they createdand thought were perfectly legitimate just a few years ago.

I won't lie, everyone is entitled to their own tastes but for the people that do it on these boards that actually no about video games I do find it disturbing. First off I must say that I don't believe 90% of the people on the boards that claim to trade a 360 for a PS3.

No matter how you cut it people buy video games systems for just that.Video games. At this point in time the 360 has better games and better exlusives, Period. It also has its big gun out Halo 3. The PS3's games just don't stack up to the 360's right now. The multiplats on the PS3 just don't stack up to the 360's right now.

Sure you can claim that you did it for the games in the future but seriously what kind of logic is that? Why not play the 360 now and then trade it in later when that supposive future does come?

I really don't understand the logic but like I said its not me doing this. Its those people's choices and its those people's opinions. I have no problem with them doing so and I won't give them flack for it. But if you asked me to trade in my 360 for a PS3 right now, on this very day, at this very moment and time on December 4th. I'd probably laugh at you.

[QUOTE="xX0LDSCH00LXx"][QUOTE="ZarBlayda"]hes probably thinking about the future when the PS3 will have a line up like the 360 does now and when the 360 is maxed out at its power.Rikusaki

But what if its true? The PS3 will get many good games in 2008 and the graphics are beginning to pass the 360 right now!

Look at Gran Turismo 5 and Uncharted! Both of those look better than any 360 game!

Good post. Very informative for me.

If Sony did that it doesn't make them look good. How long did the DRE's exist and what percentage of consooles were getting them?

NielsNL

Yeah, Sony did the stupidest thing a company could possibly do. They first denied the problem, until it became so big that people sued them. Sony eventually settled out of court for a huge chunk of change.

However, there is some discrepancy in the timing of things. People like to say that the DRE issue lasted almost the whole life of the PS2, based on the fact the SOny lawsuit didn't really take off until 2005. However, that isn't true. The court system just takes a lot longer than changes in the real world.

I believe though, that the DRE really hit its peaks around 2002/2003. Sony fixed the problem as soon as it came apparant that it WAS a problem, but that doesn't help the millions who already HAD a faulty PS2 and Sony was refusing to accept responsibility for the problem...even though they "fixed" it in newer hardware releases.

As for the exact percentage, just like with the 360, nobody knows for certain.

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

[QUOTE="xX0LDSCH00LXx"][QUOTE="ZarBlayda"]hes probably thinking about the future when the PS3 will have a line up like the 360 does now and when the 360 is maxed out at its power.Magical_Zebra

But what if its true? The PS3 will get many good games in 2008 and the graphics are beginning to pass the 360 right now!

Look at Gran Turismo 5 and Uncharted! Both of those look better than any 360 game!

With R&C they'd have a point IMHO.

I won't lie, everyone is entitled to their own tastes but for the people that do it on these boards that actually no about video games I do find it disturbing. First off I must say that I don't believe 90% of the people on the boards that claim to trade a 360 for a PS3.

No matter how you cut it people buy video games systems for just that.Video games. At this point in time the 360 has better games and better exlusives, Period. It also has its big gun out Halo 3. The PS3's games just don't stack up to the 360's right now. The multiplats on the PS3 just don't stack up to the 360's right now.

Sure you can claim that you did it for the games in the future but seriously what kind of logic is that? Why not play the 360 now and then trade it in later when that supposive future does come?

I really don't understand the logic but like I said its not me doing this. Its those people's choices and its those people's opinions. I have no problem with them doing so and I won't give them flack for it. But if you asked me to trade in my 360 for a PS3 right now, on this very day, at this very moment and time on December 4th. I'd probably laugh at you.

Blackbond

So first you say that you don't believe the people who trade in a 360 for a PS3...then you say that people should buy a 360 right away and then trade it for a PS3 when it has games they want?

And to top it off, your only logic to back up this seemingly contradictory claim is that YOU believe the PS3 has a library that would never appeal to anybody.

[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

Good post. Very informative for me.

If Sony did that it doesn't make them look good. How long did the DRE's exist and what percentage of consooles were getting them?

ZIMdoom

Yeah, Sony did the stupidest thing a company could possibly do. They first denied the problem, until it became so big that people sued them. Sony eventually settled out of court for a huge chunk of change.

However, there is some discrepancy in the timing of things. People like to say that the DRE issue lasted almost the whole life of the PS2, based on the fact the SOny lawsuit didn't really take off until 2005. However, that isn't true. The court system just takes a lot longer than changes in the real world.

I believe though, that the DRE really hit its peaks around 2002/2003. Sony fixed the problem as soon as it came apparant that it WAS a problem, but that doesn't help the millions who already HAD a faulty PS2 and Sony was refusing to accept responsibility for the problem...even though they "fixed" it in newer hardware releases.

As for the exact percentage, just like with the 360, nobody knows for certain.

Ok thanks for the info.

So Nintendo also had a famous breakdown episode in its history?

I won't lie, everyone is entitled to their own tastes but for the people that do it on these boards that actually no about video games I do find it disturbing. First off I must say that I don't believe 90% of the people on the boards that claim to trade a 360 for a PS3.

No matter how you cut it people buy video games systems for just that.Video games. At this point in time the 360 has better games and better exlusives, Period. It also has its big gun out Halo 3. The PS3's games just don't stack up to the 360's right now. The multiplats on the PS3 just don't stack up to the 360's right now.

Sure you can claim that you did it for the games in the future but seriously what kind of logic is that? Why not play the 360 now and then trade it in later when that supposive future does come?

I really don't understand the logic but like I said its not me doing this. Its those people's choices and its those people's opinions. I have no problem with them doing so and I won't give them flack for it. But if you asked me to trade in my 360 for a PS3 right now, on this very day, at this very moment and time on December 4th. I'd probably laugh at you.

Blackbond

Totally agree. I was trying to say that but could not word it correctly

[QUOTE="xX0LDSCH00LXx"][QUOTE="cool_guy2000"]

[QUOTE="xX0LDSCH00LXx"]I know people who traded their PS3's for a 360.. so who cares! and RROD is a very lame argument now. People who buy a PS3 are either in itfor the BLU-RAY or, still caught up in the whole BS Sony hype train.. PERIOD!blue_hazy_basic

Geezus christ son, THINK.

RROD isn't a lame arguement, for the fact that its such a serious problem that still plagues gamers 2 years later. You don't just let that slip by, easily.

Considering the better PS3 titles out now, that BLURAY ONLY argument is getting alil old.

You should never brag about the 3 year warranty as a solution. Think about this for a moment, exactly how many electronics do you own that have a 3 year warranty that you didn't pay for out of your own pocket. Answer is none. Besides the 3 year warranty doesn't cover everything.

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"][QUOTE="NielsNL"]

Good post. Very informative for me.

If Sony did that it doesn't make them look good. How long did the DRE's exist and what percentage of consooles were getting them?

NielsNL

Yeah, Sony did the stupidest thing a company could possibly do. They first denied the problem, until it became so big that people sued them. Sony eventually settled out of court for a huge chunk of change.

However, there is some discrepancy in the timing of things. People like to say that the DRE issue lasted almost the whole life of the PS2, based on the fact the SOny lawsuit didn't really take off until 2005. However, that isn't true. The court system just takes a lot longer than changes in the real world.

I believe though, that the DRE really hit its peaks around 2002/2003. Sony fixed the problem as soon as it came apparant that it WAS a problem, but that doesn't help the millions who already HAD a faulty PS2 and Sony was refusing to accept responsibility for the problem...even though they "fixed" it in newer hardware releases.

As for the exact percentage, just like with the 360, nobody knows for certain.

Ok thanks for the info.

So Nintendo also had a famous breakdown episode in its history?

[QUOTE="cool_guy2000"]

Why would people BUY, let alone Keep a Console that constantly breaks down and suffers such a SERIOUS problem?

blue_hazy_basic

You couldn't select a game that has fewer issues in terms of bugs as your example? Good luck with that.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

I won't lie, everyone is entitled to their own tastes but for the people that do it on these boards that actually no about video games I do find it disturbing. First off I must say that I don't believe 90% of the people on the boards that claim to trade a 360 for a PS3.

No matter how you cut it people buy video games systems for just that.Video games. At this point in time the 360 has better games and better exlusives, Period. It also has its big gun out Halo 3. The PS3's games just don't stack up to the 360's right now. The multiplats on the PS3 just don't stack up to the 360's right now.

Sure you can claim that you did it for the games in the future but seriously what kind of logic is that? Why not play the 360 now and then trade it in later when that supposive future does come?

I really don't understand the logic but like I said its not me doing this. Its those people's choices and its those people's opinions. I have no problem with them doing so and I won't give them flack for it. But if you asked me to trade in my 360 for a PS3 right now, on this very day, at this very moment and time on December 4th. I'd probably laugh at you.

Nin360

Totally agree. I was trying to say that but could not word it correctly

So when you said te RROD problems were already solved this is what you were trying to say? That makes sense :lol:

Still waiting for that link...

clockwork mechanismsdon't break down very easily :Pblue_hazy_basic

:lol:

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="cool_guy2000"]

Why would people BUY, let alone Keep a Console that constantly breaks down and suffers such a SERIOUS problem?

guts32

You couldn't select a game that has fewer issues in terms of bugs as your example? Good luck with that.

[QUOTE="guts32"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="cool_guy2000"]

Why would people BUY, let alone Keep a Console that constantly breaks down and suffers such a SERIOUS problem?

blue_hazy_basic

You couldn't select a game that has fewer issues in terms of bugs as your example? Good luck with that.

Your point is irrelevant if the game has problems.

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]Then why had the 360 sell so poorly this year before Halo 3 came out this year? In that lodgic should not the sales of the game system have been higher because people knew that Halo 3 was coming out?ZIMdoom

I think you need to double check your numbers. The 360 sold just as good ALL this year as it did last year. Possibly more so. The problem is that some people, such as yourself, look at the SHIPPED numbers and confuse that for actual sales.

MS overshipped last year to pad the store shelves (and their numbers). This year, they shipments plummeted as stores still had units in stock. But if you look at their month SALES, as reported by NPD or some other similar company, they SOLD more in a month that they supposedly shipped. This is because stores were still able to easily sell the overstock.

Make no mistake at all. In every single region of the world, even Japan, sales of the 360 have been constant and slightly increasing as time progresses.

HOwever, to answer your loaded question, the 360 sold roughly 12 million consoles BEFORE Halo came out. Since every knows that a new Halo game was going to come out at some point, it is easy to make the arguement that people bought a 360 at launch (or shortly after) based purely on the fact they knew a Halo game would be out in the future.

Even if you say sold to ship. It only matters to MS what they ship out because that is where they get their money. They goal in 06 was to sell 10 million systems which they did. Then their goal for 07 was to bring that to like 11.6 million by June. 12 million system is not a lot of game system. The PS2,PS,Wii, SN?, DS and Gameboy all leaders for their gen sold that many systems in less than a year. A huge number of 360 sold well right after Gears came out. I believe without gears they would not have made their goal last year.People bought the system for the game. There were some who bought their 360 because of the fact Halo was comming out. But once Halo came out the 360 sold over a million systems in one month.

I understand that some people do buy a game system ahead of time but normally it takes key games to make a game system sell. Look what FF:CC did for the PSP in Japan for the first time it outsold the DS for a month. Then what DW6 did for the PS3 in Japan for the first time the PS3 outsold the Wii.

I am also one of those who bought a 360 after Halo came out just because Halo was on the system.

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]Then why had the 360 sell so poorly this year before Halo 3 came out this year? In that lodgic should not the sales of the game system have been higher because people knew that Halo 3 was coming out?HarlockJC

I think you need to double check your numbers. The 360 sold just as good ALL this year as it did last year. Possibly more so. The problem is that some people, such as yourself, look at the SHIPPED numbers and confuse that for actual sales.

MS overshipped last year to pad the store shelves (and their numbers). This year, they shipments plummeted as stores still had units in stock. But if you look at their month SALES, as reported by NPD or some other similar company, they SOLD more in a month that they supposedly shipped. This is because stores were still able to easily sell the overstock.

Make no mistake at all. In every single region of the world, even Japan, sales of the 360 have been constant and slightly increasing as time progresses.

HOwever, to answer your loaded question, the 360 sold roughly 12 million consoles BEFORE Halo came out. Since every knows that a new Halo game was going to come out at some point, it is easy to make the arguement that people bought a 360 at launch (or shortly after) based purely on the fact they knew a Halo game would be out in the future.

Even if you say sold to ship. It only matters to MS what they ship out because that is where they get their money. They goal in 06 was to sell 10 million systems which they did. Then their goal for 07 was to bring that to like 11.6 million by June. 12 million system is not a lot of game system. The PS2,PS,Wii, SN?, DS and Gameboy all leaders for their gen sold that many systems in less than a year. A huge number of 360 sold well right after Gears came out. I believe without gears they would not have made their goal last year.People bought the system for the game. There were some who bought their 360 because of the fact Halo was comming out. But once Halo came out the 360 sold over a million systems in one month.

I understand that some people do buy a game system ahead of time but normally it takes key games to make a game system sell. Look what FF:CC did for the PSP in Japan for the first time it outsold the DS for a month. Then what DW6 did for the PS3 in Japan for the first time the PS3 outsold the Wii.

I am also one of those who bought a 360 after Halo came out just because Halo was on the system.

Neither this thread nor your comment has anything to do with what MS thinks matters. Your comment was that the 360 was selling poorly this year. Actual sales numbers by NPD prove you wrong. Even in Japan the 360 is seeing a slow increase in sales over time.

You are wrong. Pure and simple. The rest of your post is just damage control.

maybe they just prefer ps3 games than xbox360 games..... not everybody have the same taste...

and btw why would i take you seriously if you have Nin360 as a name

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]Then why had the 360 sell so poorly this year before Halo 3 came out this year? In that lodgic should not the sales of the game system have been higher because people knew that Halo 3 was coming out?ZIMdoom

I think you need to double check your numbers. The 360 sold just as good ALL this year as it did last year. Possibly more so. The problem is that some people, such as yourself, look at the SHIPPED numbers and confuse that for actual sales.

MS overshipped last year to pad the store shelves (and their numbers). This year, they shipments plummeted as stores still had units in stock. But if you look at their month SALES, as reported by NPD or some other similar company, they SOLD more in a month that they supposedly shipped. This is because stores were still able to easily sell the overstock.

Make no mistake at all. In every single region of the world, even Japan, sales of the 360 have been constant and slightly increasing as time progresses.

HOwever, to answer your loaded question, the 360 sold roughly 12 million consoles BEFORE Halo came out. Since every knows that a new Halo game was going to come out at some point, it is easy to make the arguement that people bought a 360 at launch (or shortly after) based purely on the fact they knew a Halo game would be out in the future.

Even if you say sold to ship. It only matters to MS what they ship out because that is where they get their money. They goal in 06 was to sell 10 million systems which they did. Then their goal for 07 was to bring that to like 11.6 million by June. 12 million system is not a lot of game system. The PS2,PS,Wii, SN?, DS and Gameboy all leaders for their gen sold that many systems in less than a year. A huge number of 360 sold well right after Gears came out. I believe without gears they would not have made their goal last year.People bought the system for the game. There were some who bought their 360 because of the fact Halo was comming out. But once Halo came out the 360 sold over a million systems in one month.

I understand that some people do buy a game system ahead of time but normally it takes key games to make a game system sell. Look what FF:CC did for the PSP in Japan for the first time it outsold the DS for a month. Then what DW6 did for the PS3 in Japan for the first time the PS3 outsold the Wii.

I am also one of those who bought a 360 after Halo came out just because Halo was on the system.

Neither this thread nor your comment has anything to do with what MS thinks matters. Your comment was that the 360 was selling poorly this year.Actual sales numbers by NPD prove you wrong. Even in Japan the 360 is seeing a slow increase in sales over time.

You are wrong. Pure and simple. The rest of your post is just damage control.

No you lost track of what we were talking about. We were talking about how key games make a system sell better. I comment on the fact that I don't think we are going to see increase in sales for the PS3 until more key games come out. Because people don't normally buy game systems before the game they want comes out. They buy it after they come out. There was no point were I said the 360 sold poorly this year. I was trying to use a compare the before Halo sales for the year to the after Halo sales this year. And how Halo and GOW made the system sell better.

Then I showed were other games did the same thing. And I believe I was right because the month after Halo came out they sold two to three times the month before using NPD. If you think I am wrong talk to me about that don't try to turn me into some fanboy. I own well over a 1000 console games and almost every game console from the NES up I am not just some random fanboy on here.

some people get frustrated with RROD while other look at future and you have to admit PS3's future looks brighter than 360'sRagashahs

Uh, why, ecause of two games, almost all of the Multiplats are superior on 360, so I have little doubt the 360 version of GTA4 will be better, so its not getting MGS, and gran toursimo, how does that make the Sony ps3's future brighter, because the 360 had the best holiday season for any console in history, and there's no way it can do it again next year

I'm somewhat suprised with all the 360 bashing here, either the Ps3 owners see that if the PS3 has a poor holiday season its pretty much finished, and are just jealous of all the fantastic games I get to play on my 360, while they are stuck playing inferior mutliplats on what's suposed to be the most powerful system.

oh and to those who say the 360 is maxed out performance wise, keep dreaming, I know after droping $400 to $600 on the flopstation, your hoping the PS3 can somehow surpass the 360 in some major way, and the fact is, it cannot, the systems are so evenly matched, that they are closer in term of capabilities than the original xbox and Ps2, so I see a bright future for the 360, and a slow death for the Ps3

As for the RROD, over half of the people here who complain about it are loser fanboys who have never owned one, I keep my 360 out in the open, and bought the fan stand from Pelican, it has been flawless for over a year, please drop the RROD, its just as much of a problem as PS2's disk read error, I went through three Ps2's

And lastly, there is little question, the 360 has by far and away the best library of games available, and when MGS finally gets released, that won't change, even if its AAA.

1. I own all 3 systems and I tend to buy most my multiplats for PS3 I like them that way, and if the 360 is far superior I'll grab that one.

2. Everyone has there own tastes, not everyone wants to play ME, Halo3, Bioshock, it's just a fact that not everyone LOVES shooters wich are in abundence in the 360. Most people buy a PS3 for the prospect of the future games, yes I know "wait" or whatever the hell you fanboys like to call it I know the PS brand will have the best RPG's and no ME does not interest me.

3. To whoever was bashing folding @home, thats just wrong I have lost all respect I may have ever had for you, perhaps it does nothing, but were contributing to the research and thats good enough.