People aren't happy with Mankind Divided

Though it doesn't have anything to do with the quality of the game, which many say it's great, but the micro-transactions in it. The decreasing user score is an example of how outraged people that bought the game feel, and I completely understand.

The thing is, it doesn't matter how much of an effect, if any at all, this has on Mankind Divided. What's important here is that, well.. to put it bluntly, it's not hard to design a game to be a bitch to play unless you buy some shit that will make your experience easier, more comfortable.

I believe that buying the game and not caring whether it has micro-transactions or not is just going to encourage developers to practice this method in incremental ways as time passes, and by the time we reach that point I was talking about earlier (which will happen, sooner or later), it'll already be a common business practice amongst the AAA bubble.

I really find this strange. We're in 2016, and from where i'm standing, I wouldn't exactly be happy with where this is going. As years goes by, my logic does nothing but keep pushing me to the conclusion that console gaming is going to eventually 'evolve' into a bunch of useless little pieces of hardware that will solely allow you to stream games directly from developers, that you 'buy'/subscribe via a Netflix like service; games that are going to feature carefully placed advertisements, micro transactions and design choices that are only there to push you to spend more after you already spend 60/70 bucks on.

Thoughts? Or **** it, because that's basically what people want.

These people are entitled.

You should let Publishers walk all over you. It's optional, and definitely won't get worse once it's condoned.

It means nothing to me. Optional. I don't have a right in the free market system to tell businesses what they can sell. I have the right to not buy and I wont. If it gets worse, I wont buy their games. Simple as that.

I forget where I read this but the dev made a statement saying they were very careful not to make it pay to win, they only made "accelerators". I'm fine with this.

I played a few hours and have not seen any evidence of pay to win. If I do see some evidence by the time I finish it, if I feel the balance of the game was skewed to accommodate these microtransactions, then it will be the last single player game I buy from them, simple as that. So far so good though, having a great time with the game

Not sure why you made this about console gaming, the Mt are in the PC version yeah?

But, yeah I can't see myself buying another non ninty dedicated platform after this gen. I sort of look forward too it honestly, just sit back and enjoy the classics without having to pay attention to this medium that's getting worse and worse.

Funny, just a light browse around this site and others will reveal that most people that actually own and play the game are quite pleased with it (myself included).

This is just negative internet culture shitting the bed as usual. People who had no intentions of buying the game have turned into Yentas, exaggerating minutia so they have something to cluck their tongues and wring their hands about. Nothing new to see here.

I dont trust them, a lot of the negative reviews have short play times. The positive reviews all have nice play times and give good reviews. The negative ones seem to all be talking about one thing also, which is strange.

Pay money to play game. Pay more money to play less of that game.

Splendid.

Remember when everyone laughed Bethesda out of the room when they attempted to sell horse armor? That, highly ridiculous, even insulting notion, when expansion packs, substantial content, was the norm?

Boy, who's laughing now.

It's understandable these kids will spam negativity, no one has their backs. Gamespot, IGN, all the big sources are more interested in the Publisher than you. what little voice they do have, they will exploit. A little red flag for all to see.

Quite impressive really, pc gamers should be admired.

What are they microtransacting in this game? I hadn't heard about this yet

Not a good reason to rate a game lower...buy them or don't buy them, it's up to you.

it seems literally every second game gets bombed by some angry group of users on MC or Steam these days.

its lost its impact by now.

@zombieproof: NICE!

@freedomfreak: Dude. ff15 comes with a micro transaction where you put in the code and you skip right to the end of the game with the final boss on 0.1% health.

SE are awesome.

People are stupid... What else is new?

I've been silently waiting for it to be a $20 game because of the rmt. I might not buy it at all. Not going to soapbox about it much, but yeah, I am voting with my wallet.

Truth!

Reviews Should split into 2. one is quality other is technical issues.

no doubt quality wise Mankind Divided can be really good based on how everyone claiming its improve upon HR. which mean best Deus Ex since original.

I will be playing it sooner than later.please do not turn into invisible wars 2.0

@GoldenElementXL said:

People are stupid... What else is new?

Though they're not judging the quality of the game here. From what I've read, the people that rated it as low as they did think the game is great. They're enjoying the game.

They're rating it lower because they aren't happy with the micro transactions in the game. It's their way of letting the developers know that.

I don't see why it's unreasonable to voice your opinion on a feature that you're not happy with. How else should they do it, if their goal is to raise awareness regarding their displease? By voting with their wallet? Well, that's a problem then, because they want to play the game. They're buying the game, but they're not happy with the business practice here, so they're gonna let other people know.

Overall, I don't see a reason to insult their action.

No.

@Lucianu said:

@zombieproof said:

Funny, just a light browse around this site and others will reveal that most people that actually own and play the game are quite pleased with it (myself included).

This is just negative internet culture shitting the bed as usual. People who had no intentions of buying the game have turned into Yentas, exaggerating minutia so they have something to cluck their tongues and wring their hands about. Nothing new to see here.

@iandizion713 said:

I dont trust them, a lot of the negative reviews have short play times. The positive reviews all have nice play times and give good reviews. The negative ones seem to all be talking about one thing also, which is strange.

@GoldenElementXL said:

People are stupid... What else is new?

Though they're not judging the quality of the game here. From what I've read, the people that rated it as low as they did think the game is great. They're enjoying the game.

They're rating it lower because they aren't happy with the micro transactions in the game. It's their way of letting the developers know that.

I don't see why it's unreasonable to voice your opinion on a feature that you're not happy with. How else should they do it, if their goal is to raise awareness regarding their displease? By voting with their wallet? Well, that's a problem then, because they want to play the game. They're buying the game, but they're not happy with the business practice here, so they're gonna let other people know.

Overall, I don't see a reason to insult their action.

Square enix has been controversal in recent years. especially about marketing campaign. even final fantasy fans are not happy with them. They ruined a Great Hitman series by making into episodic so i pretend game is in early access and will get once is done.

they put microtransaction into most beloved PC series

After 5 years. just cause 3 is JC2 expansion pack with technical issues

Even bathesda is better lately publisher than SE. they bought Doom and turn into Great, Quake is coming soon

Eidos montreal should split from SE. I missed old eidos interactive. i really hope Next Deus Ex should not be publish by SE. and worst of all. FIRE MARY DEMARLE!!. a series which known for oscar worthy story. she is terrible writer. HR already have weak story imo and MD story according to critics is worse.

Such Great games bieng ruined by Corporate Evils who are looting our money. microtansaction is just scam so our money goes to these clowns pocket.

Wait for it to hit $30 in a month or 2.

There is this now stupid mentality that because the internet is one rage vacuum, that there is no such thing as a valid complaint about a game you are playing. As if in between a lot of the shitty posts, there aren't people that are well reasoned, informed, and thought their complaint through.

It's the new mantra of the crowd that loves capitulating to every little thing the dev and pub does, because "derp"

I have this feeling that they've like taken a lot of praxis points out of the game so they can sell them as microtransactions. Because there just seems to be a lot secret hidden areas in this game that are just full of basically nothing. It just makes you wonder why wouldn't they put something worth while in this room? Oh that's right to sell it as a microtransaction.

@Lucianu: so if you don't buy microstransactions is the gameplay frustrating, or just challenging?

@GoldenElementXL: Overwatch's user scores is the finest example of butthurt I've ever seen. People wanted the game to fail so bad and it turned out to be awesome.

With the boundless cynicism of the industry which practically at no point, ever, has drawn a line, I can't blame you for the assumption.

If it isn't the case, it's perfectly logical to have the obligatory expectation they will. Thinking otherwise is very much like expecting a loin not to attack wildebeest when it's quite obviously a predator by nature.

@Lucianu said:

@zombieproof said:

Funny, just a light browse around this site and others will reveal that most people that actually own and play the game are quite pleased with it (myself included).

This is just negative internet culture shitting the bed as usual. People who had no intentions of buying the game have turned into Yentas, exaggerating minutia so they have something to cluck their tongues and wring their hands about. Nothing new to see here.

@iandizion713 said:

I dont trust them, a lot of the negative reviews have short play times. The positive reviews all have nice play times and give good reviews. The negative ones seem to all be talking about one thing also, which is strange.

@GoldenElementXL said:

People are stupid... What else is new?

Though they're not judging the quality of the game here. From what I've read, the people that rated it as low as they did think the game is great. They're enjoying the game.

They're rating it lower because they aren't happy with the micro transactions in the game. It's their way of letting the developers know that.

I don't see why it's unreasonable to voice your opinion on a feature that you're not happy with. How else should they do it, if their goal is to raise awareness regarding their displease? By voting with their wallet? Well, that's a problem then, because they want to play the game. They're buying the game, but they're not happy with the business practice here, so they're gonna let other people know.

Overall, I don't see a reason to insult their action.

You are free to complain, but whining and crying wolf dont work. Email the company and file a proper complaint like you should. Rating the game a 0 or 1 only further hurts the game and makes matters worst. There are times when games are rightfully criticized. But then there are times massive amounts of gamers rate your game a 0 because of what they think and not what they have experienced.

Dont like microtranactions? Dont buy them or buy games that have them.

Dont like games with motion control, dont buy them.

I dont like games that focus on graphics, long text, or silly cutscenes. And guess what i dont do...i dont buy them. Nor do i whine and cry about them either.

Never in my life have i played a game i felt deserved a 0 or 1. And ive played hundreds of games. Even games i despise i usually couldnt rate that bad.

There is no reason for this game to get a low user score its on every platform. This is just pure users not liking the game.

Most movies are reviewed higher by movie goers, same with games over critics. Most big movies get higher rating on user score and critics are usually much lower an out of touch with the average movie fan, which might be the case here as well only the opposite for gamers.

This could be a sign of just a bad game that reviewers were paid off or something an the gamers don't like it at all.

yeah, what's new, people have been doing this for years, they put good games down over the presence of micro-transactions that don't really take away from the experience of the game by being available for people to use or not use

But gamers are full of shit. When developers and publishers make more money from microtransactions than they do the actual game, I think it's safe to say they are giving people what they want. But for folks in the minority to trash games and give them low "user review" scores is as childish as it is pointless. You all can say whatever you want on video game message boards. These folks have all the data they need to support their pursuit of extra revenue. If people really didn't want the stuff, the chart above would look much different.

It's optional but we will never know how much that influenced the game, which I really don't like. You can easily cheat that stuff in yourself, just like every other game.

It's a sad money grab and I don't blame people for lowering the score because of it.

I don't condone games in 2016 that have character animations and models from 2006.

The fallacy you are making is that just because a business model is popular or a lot of people pony up, that it is beyond criticism. Halo 5 (using a game I have an understanding of) has microtransactions, 343 and Microsoft make a shit ton of money off it, and yeah business wise they have every right to nickel and dime their consumer. That however does not mean anyone is out of line or ignorant for thinking the microtransactions in that game are bullshit. For starters they ruin Warzone and take balance completely out of the equation, they were presented to the halo playerbase as a means to justify giving the playerbase free maps? Problem? Majority of those free maps are via Forge, the community map maker. Shit they wouldn't have gotten away with charging the player for (see Bethesda not being able to sell mods on steam). Looking at it objectively, they bold faced lied since that money has never gone to proper dev made maps with higher quality assets. In fact a lot of their "free dlc" which was supposed to make the whole microtransaction shtick easier to digest, was shit Halo used to have on day one: Forge, a functioning theater (still doesn't work the way it is supposed to), griffball, race, big team battle, Assault, etc.

Other than "stupid people will pay for it", there is no actual objective benefit to those microtransactions. Where as the criticisms against them, are pretty valid.

And the reality is, that's how most games handle these extra transactions, it's usually bullshit to take advantage of compulsive people at its best, and at its worst it takes things away from the overall experience.

Yeah, I've seen that a lot, but that just stems from the fact that people passionate about a hobby can be, and usually are stubborn and aggressive with their point of view, and can seem to bother paying attention to any other perspective that's in disagreement. It's silly to undermine, disregard or straight up insult a well constructed opinion in a passive aggressive way without rebutting said opinion in at least the same well thought out way.

People can be stupid as shit sometimes, especially today wen you've got the mirror of society which is the internet, but without the risk of getting hit in the face if you let your thoughtless emotions wreck havoc. Of course, that is the absolute least of our worries regarding anonymity on the internet, but that's another topic entirely.

@iandizion713 said:

@Lucianu said:

@zombieproof said:

Funny, just a light browse around this site and others will reveal that most people that actually own and play the game are quite pleased with it (myself included).

This is just negative internet culture shitting the bed as usual. People who had no intentions of buying the game have turned into Yentas, exaggerating minutia so they have something to cluck their tongues and wring their hands about. Nothing new to see here.

@iandizion713 said:

I dont trust them, a lot of the negative reviews have short play times. The positive reviews all have nice play times and give good reviews. The negative ones seem to all be talking about one thing also, which is strange.

@GoldenElementXL said:

People are stupid... What else is new?

Though they're not judging the quality of the game here. From what I've read, the people that rated it as low as they did think the game is great. They're enjoying the game.

They're rating it lower because they aren't happy with the micro transactions in the game. It's their way of letting the developers know that.

I don't see why it's unreasonable to voice your opinion on a feature that you're not happy with. How else should they do it, if their goal is to raise awareness regarding their displease? By voting with their wallet? Well, that's a problem then, because they want to play the game. They're buying the game, but they're not happy with the business practice here, so they're gonna let other people know.

Overall, I don't see a reason to insult their action.

You are free to complain, but whining and crying wolf dont work. Email the company and file a proper complaint like you should. Rating the game a 0 or 1 only further hurts the game and makes matters worst. There are times when games are rightfully criticized. But then there are times massive amounts of gamers rate your game a 0 because of what they think and not what they have experienced.

Dont like microtranactions? Dont buy them or buy games that have them.

Dont like games with motion control, dont buy them.

I dont like games that focus on graphics, long text, or silly cutscenes. And guess what i dont do...i dont buy them. Nor do i whine and cry about them either.

Never in my life have i played a game i felt deserved a 0 or 1. And ive played hundreds of games.

That's a completely respectable view point, I agree. Though i'm sure the developers are getting plenty of emails from people, maybe some of the same people that are rating this game lower than they would have otherwise if there weren't any micro-transactions. I suspect that's the case, because it doesn't take a whole lot of effort to rate a game.

I doubt it affects the game, if it does, it's probably not even perceivable for the average consumer.

Its like dlc. One minute its starts off as free content then you are sold what is already on the disk and then unfinished games get released

not with these system requirements and price tag

The concept what a forum is, escapes them. It's just a glorified chat room with people discussing topics, newsflash no one discusses a topic in only a universally positive manner. You're going to complain about shit, it's not a difficult concept to grasp. It's like some lame attempt at being enlightened because they rediscovered the hippie mantra of give love a chance. Go, fucking hug a tree or something lol

@GoldenElementXL said:

People are stupid... What else is new?

Game "Journalists" are worse than user reviews.

3 things

1. Reviews aren't journalism. Holy ****
2. As bad as game critics are, and they are shit, IGN doesn't represent all of them
3. The too much water complaint is perfectly valid. Surfing is one of the most monotonous things about Pokemon. Especially if you're surfing your way to a cave anyway. And given the nature of how Hm's work, yeah too many hms requires the need for maybe more than one HM slave, since only surf is a good enough move to have in your moves lineup.

hah, what's hilarious as all hell to me is wen you've got this game that's getting overwhelmingly loved on a forum board, and then I see some threads or posts from people that don't like the game pop up saying shit like "is something wrong with me?", "i don't like the game, am I a freak, am I mentally ill?".

Mind blowing.

The "is it just me" or "am I the only one" threads make me cringe so hard, bitch no it's not just you, you're not special.

Yah but the earth is 90% water I mean, i would prefer it only be like 50% water. So should i give the earth a bad rating for a planet? No dude this planet is fine that game is fine.

So what if there's a lot of water, its no big deal to me talk to me about real issues imo, there's tons of water in windwaker its one my favorite games, the water isn't issue the reviewer is the issue. Heros of might and magic has a ton of water on certain maps I LOVE WATER I WANT MORE WATER ffs i like to drink water all day.

you are going to miss out on an awesome game because of optional things that you don't have to buy?

I don't see peoples issues with micro- transactions, you don't have to buy them.

Gamers are too entitled these days they buy a game and seem to be under the ill conceived notion that everything to do with that game including DLC should be free.

If i want to add something to my home or car i have to buy it, this is no different.

Eh, that's just something people get overly used to saying. It's like wen people can't start a sentence without saying "Umm..", or they usually can't form a sentence without using "umm.." plenty of times within said sentence.

It's challenging enough without you getting to the point of being frustrated.

You can easily get lost in some areas though,you will spend a bit of time on the map screen.

you can even play this one entirely in first person call of duty style if you like.

Don't buy the microtransactions.

I'm playing on the hardest mode for the first playthrough and the game is perfectly doable without them.

I understand the principle of it all but this is not the game that pushed it to any point past being completely optional.

I suppose I don't see the big fuss.

I didn't even realize this game had MTs until I read about it after playing it for a few hours. They're not in your face popping up all the time. Now the dev has stated the game was developed and balanced before these MTs were even implemented. Perhaps I'm too naive in believing this, but having played Mankind Divided for a few hours, it so far feels this way. I'm having a blast and am progressing fine. If people have disposable income to waste on upgrading their character faster, getting better weapons, buying Praxis kits, etc, why not?

Many have other responsibilities in life aside gaming, they have minimal time to invest, and as I see it this enables them to "catch up" while not having to deal with a time sink they cannot afford, or cater the gameplay to their style. Am I comfortable with MTs? Not at all, I wish they didn't exist as it's far too slippery a slope for a game's design to fall victim to favoring them, but they exist regardless. No little crusade of mine is going to stop this, only my wallet will.

...and I won't buy them, but that's not going to stop me from buying and enjoying the game. Publishers will be able to note that distinction. In this instance, I can have my cake and eat it too.

That's a stupid fucking comparison, because it's not a fundamental game mechanic. PRevious pokemon games had surfing, Ruby and Saphire, simply put have more, to the point of being a more tedious playthrough for people. This whole "well the earth is all water" is such a stupid strawman, because it ignores the basic difference between planet earth and a video game.

And plenty of people bitch about the sailing in Wind Waker, especially because there isn't a lot to that overworld.