people on 360 still may not want ps3 unfortunatly.

Now that the PS3 is priced the same as the 360 (the good model) and has more than the 360 and free online, I told my co-worker who owns a xbox and is an avid xbox360 about it. He like normal started bashing it for no reason atall. His brother in law let him borrow his ps3 while he went overseas 2 weeks ago. I lent him MGS4 and he couldn't stand it, His reason, was "It's just not right having a japanse game focusing on American charcters....blah blah blah...." You can imagine the arguments at work about this.

So I lent him uncharted, he loved it and finished the game in 3-4 days playing every day. But today when I told him about the slim, and another co-worker got in the mix, he just went off bashing it again. He asked me: "Name the best ps3 games." i did , I gave him about 6 exclusives, he said, "well I have never heard of any of those, they must not be good. I bet if you asked a random person on the street they wouldn't know them, but they would know halo and COD4." I said "just because a game isn't as marketed as halo doesn't maen it's a bad game." He said "If the game is good like halo people would know it....blah, blah , blah" It remeinded me a lot of some lemmings views on this forum.

This led to an argument, my thought is why do some people only follow what is popular or marketed to the extreme? Why do they not even give other games a chance? This same question can be done to genres too. It makes no sense to me why it's so important to him that a game be known by everyone. What happened to new ips, and good games in genral. Why are some people stuck on populartiy and trends? The PS3 has an incredible lineup, it's just makes me think that maybe people are to absorbed in the "MTV", "Trendy attitude" to recognize what great games are there or coming out., or they may not even try them becasue they're not Halo or COD4. It's sad to think that a big chunk of America is just like him, only following the "Trend of the day" ...what's your take? Do you think more people will try ps3 games now that the price is down or do you think people are going to still be like my co-worker... "It doesn't have halo" mentality?

The PS3 does not have a killer app, that's why. Maybe if it could've kept GTAIV, FFXIII and Tekken 6 as exclusives and stop delaying all its games that would change.

The PS3 does not have a killer app, that's why. Maybe if it could've kept GTAIV, FFXIII and Tekken 6 as exclusives and stop delaying all its games that would change.

AHUGECAT

cool story bro

[QUOTE="mgkennedy5"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

The PS3 does not have a killer app, that's why. Maybe if it could've kept GTAIV, FFXIII and Tekken 6 as exclusives and stop delaying all its games that would change.

AHUGECAT

It's not an opinion - it's a fact. The PS3 has no killer-apps and although MGS4 was close it didn't do enough. That's why many people don't care about the PS3.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="mgkennedy5"] AHAHAA Lol at your sig. Your opinion doesn't count in my eyesmgkennedy5

It's not an opinion - it's a fact. The PS3 has no killer-apps and although MGS4 was close it didn't do enough. That's why many people don't care about the PS3.

A game that pushes a system to unbelievable heights. Without it, it would not be near as successful. Final Fantasy VII, Grand Theft Auto III, Halo, Super Mario 64, etc. etc.

[QUOTE="mgkennedy5"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

It's not an opinion - it's a fact. The PS3 has no killer-apps and although MGS4 was close it didn't do enough. That's why many people don't care about the PS3.

AHUGECAT

A game that pushes a system to unbelievable heights. Without it, it would not be near as successful. Final Fantasy VII, Grand Theft Auto III, Halo, Super Mario 64, etc. etc.

TC, what (or who) you described is exactly what the PS2 fans were like last gen. That is almost exactly how I felt, and the main reason why I am enjoying watching the tables turn now.

You're wrong. I'm a 360 owner and I'm getting a PS3 Slim.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="mgkennedy5"] MGS4 isn't a killer app? 4.5 million copies sold and console sales doing really well after it comes out? What's a killer app for you?mgkennedy5

A game that pushes a system to unbelievable heights. Without it, it would not be near as successful. Final Fantasy VII, Grand Theft Auto III, Halo, Super Mario 64, etc. etc.

The problem is the PS3 doesn't have that many games, and the ones it does have die out too fast. There's just no reason to put $300 on a PS3. $130 would be a killer deal for it.

Now that the PS3 is priced the same as the 360 (the good model) and has more than the 360 and free online, I told my co-worker who owns a xbox and is an avid xbox360 about it. He like normal started bashing it for no reason atall. His brother in law let him borrow his ps3 while he went overseas 2 weeks ago. I lent him MGS4 and he couldn't stand it, His reason, was "It's just not right having a japanse game focusing on American charcters....blah blah blah...." You can imagine the arguments at work about this.

So I lent him uncharted, he loved it and finished the game in 3-4 days playing every day. But today when I told him about the slim, and another co-worker got in the mix, he just went off bashing it again. He asked me: "Name the best ps3 games." i did , I gave him about 6 exclusives, he said, "well I have never heard of any of those, they must not be good. I bet if you asked a random person on the street they wouldn't know them, but they would know halo and COD4." I said "just because a game isn't as marketed as halo doesn't maen it's a bad game." He said "If the game is good like halo people would know it....blah, blah , blah" It remeinded me a lot of some lemmings views on this forum.

This led to an argument, my thought is why do some people only follow what is popular or marketed to the extreme? Why do they not even give other games a chance? This same question can be done to genres too. It makes no sense to me why it's so important to him that a game be known by everyone. What happened to new ips, and good games in genral. Why are some people stuck on populartiy and trends? The PS3 has an incredible lineup, it's just makes me think that maybe people are to absorbed in the "MTV", "Trendy attitude" to recognize what great games are there or coming out., or they may not even try them becasue they're not Halo or COD4. It's sad to think that a big chunk of America is just like him, only following the "Trend of the day" ...what's your take? Do you think more people will try ps3 games now that the price is down or do you think people are going to still be like my co-worker... "It doesn't have halo" mentality?

Midnightshade29

I can say the say same thing for PS3 owners really.

Why do PS3 owners continue to bash Halo? Why don't they give the 360 a chance?

Marketing really does a lot for your casual gamers, I am gonna classify casual gamers as people who don't check out gaming websites for news and just pick up games at the store based on advertisements, gameshop employees and friends. Games to them are just "toys" instead of a hobby, therefore they won't devote as much time into it nor try out new things because it's not "worth it" for them to experiment. Thus the safest bet is play what everyone else is playing and enjoy it with the mass!

This applies to any hobby really, my friend thinks Laker is the god of NBA and he never looks into other team's talent and can't really explain why Laker's the best (in more technical ways) other than "They are always on TV" but I know devoted fans would be able to tell you that other teams are also talented in their own ways, but for the mainstream, it's w/e the popular thing is, let's get to it. So it really comes down to how much do you care about a hobby in general, and the casual players will most likely not spend their time researching about games other than the ones presented to the mass population.

P.S. I classified the term "casual gamer" this way just to make my points easier to understand, I know it's a sweeping generalization

The PS3 does not have a killer app, that's why. Maybe if it could've kept GTAIV, FFXIII and Tekken 6 as exclusives and stop delaying all its games that would change.

AHUGECAT

Wow, the lemming who says he can get two 360's for the price of one PS3. Don't think you can have that quoted anymore. Besides you'll be having to go to the post office twice as many times with two 360's.

But TC, your right about one thing, lemmings will bash the PS3 to the extent of it not being the truth if it suites them.

Why I went to Gamestop the other day to pre order Demon Souls and got to talking to a store clerk about the PS3 and how many great games were coming out for it. Well that store clerk was not to fond of that and started in about how many great 360 exclusives were coming out, going to the extent of saying how Metal Gear: Raiden was a 360 exclusive, and that Kojima was working on the project fully. Then to put fuel on the flame he went on to say how Kojima was no longer working with the PS3 or Sony in general, saying that "He washed his hands of them".

Needless to say I had to correct him on everything he said, how Metal Gear: Raiden was headed to the PS3, and that Kojima wasn't working on that project, and was instead hard at work on the PSP title Peace Walker, which is of course a Sony product. He looked bewildered at that point and asked wear I got that info from, I told him everywhere that's a gaming site basically.

It's sad when someone is a fan of a system to the extent of telling lies in order to prevent a sale at the store they work for. But I most of the time get that from 360 owners. It's like it's their job in getting the PS3 to fail, it really is sad.

I really miss the old Nintendo, Sega, Playstation days. You know, the time before "Halo".

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="mgkennedy5"] MGS4 isn't a killer app? 4.5 million copies sold and console sales doing really well after it comes out? What's a killer app for you?mgkennedy5

A game that pushes a system to unbelievable heights. Without it, it would not be near as successful. Final Fantasy VII, Grand Theft Auto III, Halo, Super Mario 64, etc. etc.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

The PS3 does not have a killer app, that's why. Maybe if it could've kept GTAIV, FFXIII and Tekken 6 as exclusives and stop delaying all its games that would change.

Delsage

I really miss the old Nintendo, Sega, Playstation days. You know, the time before "Halo".

*sigh*

See this is what I'm talking about.

Wow, the lemming who says he can get two 360's for the price of one PS3. Don't think you can have that quoted anymore. Besides you'll be having to go to the post office twice as many times with two 360's.Delsage

Okay I changed my sig.

I really miss the old Nintendo, Sega, Playstation days. You know, the time before "Halo".

Delsage

Yeah, I do too. Before consoles were $599, before forcing new discs on us we don't care about, etc. etc.

[QUOTE="mgkennedy5"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

A game that pushes a system to unbelievable heights. Without it, it would not be near as successful. Final Fantasy VII, Grand Theft Auto III, Halo, Super Mario 64, etc. etc.

OPuniverse

It's sad when someone is a fan of a system to the extent of telling lies in order to prevent a sale at the store they work for. But I most of the time get that from 360 owners. It's like it's their job in getting the PS3 to fail, it really is sad.

I really miss the old Nintendo, Sega, Playstation days. You know, the time before "Halo".

Delsage

This is not quite, you know full well fanboys from both sides will try anything in their power to bash the other system to death. i have seen cows bash 360 to death as much as lemmings bash the ps3 to death.

Casuals have just switched sides and that's what your friend is

Where I live almost everyone I knew that had a PS2 and barely played it swapped it for a 360 which they barely play

that's what casuals do get the console, get hyped for a week, and than buy madden or some other crappy games

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="mgkennedy5"] AHAHAA Lol at your sig. Your opinion doesn't count in my eyesmgkennedy5

It's not an opinion - it's a fact. The PS3 has no killer-apps and although MGS4 was close it didn't do enough. That's why many people don't care about the PS3.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

The PS3 does not have a killer app, that's why. Maybe if it could've kept GTAIV, FFXIII and Tekken 6 as exclusives and stop delaying all its games that would change.

Delsage

Wow, the lemming who says he can get two 360's for the price of one PS3. Don't think you can have that quoted anymore. Besides you'll be having to go to the post office twice as many times with two 360's.

But TC, your right about one thing, lemmings will bash the PS3 to the extent of it not being the truth if it suites them.

Why I went to Gamestop the other day to pre order Demon Souls and got to talking to a store clerk about the PS3 and how many great games were coming out for it. Well that store clerk was not to fond of that and started in about how many great 360 exclusives were coming out, going to the extent of saying how Metal Gear: Raiden was a 360 exclusive, and that Kojima was working on the project fully. Then to put fuel on the flame he went on to say how Kojima was no longer working with the PS3 or Sony in general, saying that "He washed his hands of them".

Needless to say I had to correct him on everything he said, how Metal Gear: Raiden was headed to the PS3, and that Kojima wasn't working on that project, and was instead hard at work on the PSP title Peace Walker, which is of course a Sony product. He looked bewildered at that point and asked wear I got that info from, I told him everywhere that's a gaming site basically.

It's sad when someone is a fan of a system to the extent of telling lies in order to prevent a sale at the store they work for. But I most of the time get that from 360 owners. It's like it's their job in getting the PS3 to fail, it really is sad.

I really miss the old Nintendo, Sega, Playstation days. You know, the time before "Halo".

Um I am sorry to tell you that if internet were more popular back in the day, you would get as many fan boys as we got now during the "Nintendo, Sega, Playstation days,"

Also please don't generalize it as if fan boy bashing only started after "Halo" was introduced, any system would have fan boys that bashes the other system, this is known as the internet after all. It's just the reality

[QUOTE="Delsage"]

Wow, the lemming who says he can get two 360's for the price of one PS3. Don't think you can have that quoted anymore. Besides you'll be having to go to the post office twice as many times with two 360's.AHUGECAT

Okay I changed my sig.

I really miss the old Nintendo, Sega, Playstation days. You know, the time before "Halo".

Delsage

Yeah, I do too. Before consoles were $599, before forcing new discs on us we don't care about, etc. etc.

Wow, two games that are also coming to the PS3. You know you must be pretty young, when the Atari 5200 was $330.00 back in 1982, that was expensive. Or were you alive during the time of the Neo Geo when it first arrived in 1990? That was $650.00, what about the 3DO which was $700.00, or better yet the Saturn which was $400.00.

Prices go up with the times, if anything $500.00 for a Blu Ray player that is also a game system was pretty reasonable. At $300.00 it's a fine deal indeed, and for lemmings to say that the 360 is still a better deal is just asinine.

[QUOTE="OPuniverse"]

[QUOTE="mgkennedy5"] Are you talking about sales? Cause I play games, and the Ps3 has a lot of good games. MGS4 sold a lot, I would say it is a "killer app". But by your logic, the Wii is the only system that has reached "Unbelievable heights"mgkennedy5

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

The PS3 does not have a killer app, that's why. Maybe if it could've kept GTAIV, FFXIII and Tekken 6 as exclusives and stop delaying all its games that would change.

Delsage

Wow, the lemming who says he can get two 360's for the price of one PS3. Don't think you can have that quoted anymore. Besides you'll be having to go to the post office twice as many times with two 360's.

But TC, your right about one thing, lemmings will bash the PS3 to the extent of it not being the truth if it suites them.

Why I went to Gamestop the other day to pre order Demon Souls and got to talking to a store clerk about the PS3 and how many great games were coming out for it. Well that store clerk was not to fond of that and started in about how many great 360 exclusives were coming out, going to the extent of saying how Metal Gear: Raiden was a 360 exclusive, and that Kojima was working on the project fully. Then to put fuel on the flame he went on to say how Kojima was no longer working with the PS3 or Sony in general, saying that "He washed his hands of them".

Needless to say I had to correct him on everything he said, how Metal Gear: Raiden was headed to the PS3, and that Kojima wasn't working on that project, and was instead hard at work on the PSP title Peace Walker, which is of course a Sony product. He looked bewildered at that point and asked wear I got that info from, I told him everywhere that's a gaming site basically.

It's sad when someone is a fan of a system to the extent of telling lies in order to prevent a sale at the store they work for. But I most of the time get that from 360 owners. It's like it's their job in getting the PS3 to fail, it really is sad.

I really miss the old Nintendo, Sega, Playstation days. You know, the time before "Halo".

Well, people need to realize that PS3 and its exclusives dont appeal to everyone. I think thats the problem here on system wars, cows think people are "dumb" or "stupid" for not seeing the value in the console, and choosing a 360 over it. But the real world has its own idea of what "value" means to them. Im a gamer, so i enjoy games on both consoles, but not everyone likes KZ2, LBP, InFamous, and MGS4. "Everyday gamers" want madden, fifa, halo, gta, gears, spiderman, tekken, DMC, RE5 etc. So they chose the cheapest console they can play those on. The Wii hurt the PS3 more than 360 because it stole all the casuals Sony had last gen. All IMO of course.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Delsage"]

Wow, the lemming who says he can get two 360's for the price of one PS3. Don't think you can have that quoted anymore. Besides you'll be having to go to the post office twice as many times with two 360's.Delsage

Okay I changed my sig.

I really miss the old Nintendo, Sega, Playstation days. You know, the time before "Halo".

Delsage

Yeah, I do too. Before consoles were $599, before forcing new discs on us we don't care about, etc. etc.

Wow, two games that are also coming to the PS3. You know you must be pretty young, when the Atari 5200 was $330.00 back in 1982, that was expensive. Or were you alive during the time of the Neo Geo when it first arrived in 1990? That was $650.00, what about the 3DO which was $700.00, or better yet the Saturn which was $400.00.

Prices go up with the times, if anything $500.00 for a Blu Ray player that is also a game system was pretty reasonable. At $300.00 it's a fine deal indeed, and for lemmings to say that the 360 is still a better deal is just asinine.

Atari 5200, NeoGeo, the Saturn and 3DO failed.

Blu-ray player? Please, no one cares about that. We want PlayStation for GAMES. Sony has just lost all the games that made the PS brand great - Final Fantasy, Grand Theft Auto, Devil May Cry, Tekken, Virtua Fighter... it did keep Metal Gear Solid but that's it.

I wouldn't consider mgs4 a killer app since it seems like a lot of people have a love it or hate it attitude towards it. I don't know anyone who just "sort of" likes or dislikes it.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="mgkennedy5"] AHAHAA Lol at your sig. Your opinion doesn't count in my eyesmgkennedy5

It's not an opinion - it's a fact. The PS3 has no killer-apps and although MGS4 was close it didn't do enough. That's why many people don't care about the PS3.

There are still a ton of great exclusives on ps3 that makes it worth picking up if you're also in the market for a bluray player.

[QUOTE="Delsage"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Yeah, I do too. Before consoles were $599, before forcing new discs on us we don't care about, etc. etc.

AHUGECAT

Wow, two games that are also coming to the PS3. You know you must be pretty young, when the Atari 5200 was $330.00 back in 1982, that was expensive. Or were you alive during the time of the Neo Geo when it first arrived in 1990? That was $650.00, what about the 3DO which was $700.00, or better yet the Saturn which was $400.00.

Prices go up with the times, if anything $500.00 for a Blu Ray player that is also a game system was pretty reasonable. At $300.00 it's a fine deal indeed, and for lemmings to say that the 360 is still a better deal is just asinine.

Atari 5200, NeoGeo, the Saturn and 3DO failed.

Blu-ray player? Please, no one cares about that. We want PlayStation for GAMES. Sony has just lost all the games that made the PS brand great - Final Fantasy, Grand Theft Auto, Devil May Cry, Tekken, Virtua Fighter... it did keep Metal Gear Solid but that's it.

Now that the PS3 is priced the same as the 360 (the good model) and has more than the 360 and free online, I told my co-worker who owns a xbox and is an avid xbox360 about it. He like normal started bashing it for no reason atall. His brother in law let him borrow his ps3 while he went overseas 2 weeks ago. I lent him MGS4 and he couldn't stand it, His reason, was "It's just not right having a japanse game focusing on American charcters....blah blah blah...." You can imagine the arguments at work about this.

So I lent him uncharted, he loved it and finished the game in 3-4 days playing every day. But today when I told him about the slim, and another co-worker got in the mix, he just went off bashing it again. He asked me: "Name the best ps3 games." i did , I gave him about 6 exclusives, he said, "well I have never heard of any of those, they must not be good. I bet if you asked a random person on the street they wouldn't know them, but they would know halo and COD4." I said "just because a game isn't as marketed as halo doesn't maen it's a bad game." He said "If the game is good like halo people would know it....blah, blah , blah" It remeinded me a lot of some lemmings views on this forum.

This led to an argument, my thought is why do some people only follow what is popular or marketed to the extreme? Why do they not even give other games a chance? This same question can be done to genres too. It makes no sense to me why it's so important to him that a game be known by everyone. What happened to new ips, and good games in genral. Why are some people stuck on populartiy and trends? The PS3 has an incredible lineup, it's just makes me think that maybe people are to absorbed in the "MTV", "Trendy attitude" to recognize what great games are there or coming out., or they may not even try them becasue they're not Halo or COD4. It's sad to think that a big chunk of America is just like him, only following the "Trend of the day" ...what's your take? Do you think more people will try ps3 games now that the price is down or do you think people are going to still be like my co-worker... "It doesn't have halo" mentality?

Midnightshade29

You're coworker sure knows more about gaming then you do. Did it ever occur to you that most people can actually see through Sony marketing overhype and overinflated review scores? I was talking to one today about playing MGS4 and he smiled and talked about how the FMV sequences drag on and on.

There are still a ton of great exclusives on ps3 that makes it worth picking up if you're also in the market for a bluray player.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Delsage"]

Wow, two games that are also coming to the PS3. You know you must be pretty young, when the Atari 5200 was $330.00 back in 1982, that was expensive. Or were you alive during the time of the Neo Geo when it first arrived in 1990? That was $650.00, what about the 3DO which was $700.00, or better yet the Saturn which was $400.00.

Prices go up with the times, if anything $500.00 for a Blu Ray player that is also a game system was pretty reasonable. At $300.00 it's a fine deal indeed, and for lemmings to say that the 360 is still a better deal is just asinine.

topgunmv

Atari 5200, NeoGeo, the Saturn and 3DO failed.

Blu-ray player? Please, no one cares about that. We want PlayStation for GAMES. Sony has just lost all the games that made the PS brand great - Final Fantasy, Grand Theft Auto, Devil May Cry, Tekken, Virtua Fighter... it did keep Metal Gear Solid but that's it.

Too bad Bluray really isn't worth it...

[QUOTE="Delsage"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Yeah, I do too. Before consoles were $599, before forcing new discs on us we don't care about, etc. etc.

AHUGECAT

Wow, two games that are also coming to the PS3. You know you must be pretty young, when the Atari 5200 was $330.00 back in 1982, that was expensive. Or were you alive during the time of the Neo Geo when it first arrived in 1990? That was $650.00, what about the 3DO which was $700.00, or better yet the Saturn which was $400.00.

Prices go up with the times, if anything $500.00 for a Blu Ray player that is also a game system was pretty reasonable. At $300.00 it's a fine deal indeed, and for lemmings to say that the 360 is still a better deal is just asinine.

Atari 5200, NeoGeo, the Saturn and 3DO failed.

Blu-ray player? Please, no one cares about that. We want PlayStation for GAMES. Sony has just lost all the games that made the PS brand great - Final Fantasy, Grand Theft Auto, Devil May Cry, Tekken, Virtua Fighter... it did keep Metal Gear Solid but that's it.

Well the PS3 isn't failing, in fact I think it's been doing quite well up till now at the price it was at. It has higher sale numbers in both Europe and Japan, and is now the same price as the 360 which I think will boost the sales in not only both of the countries aforementioned, but America as well.

Final Fantasy started on the Nintendo, whereas Grand Theft Auto has been on Windows, Gameboy and the Dreamcast when it first started, and Virtual Fighter was a Sega game. So I don't know what your getting at. The only games that started on the Playstation was Tekken and Devil May Cry, but they were never owned by Sony so it's not like they lost an exclusive. So what was your point again?

That's subjective. If someone is already in the market for one when looking at this offer then it obviously is worth it to them.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

There are still a ton of great exclusives on ps3 that makes it worth picking up if you're also in the market for a bluray player.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Atari 5200, NeoGeo, the Saturn and 3DO failed.

Blu-ray player? Please, no one cares about that. We want PlayStation for GAMES. Sony has just lost all the games that made the PS brand great - Final Fantasy, Grand Theft Auto, Devil May Cry, Tekken, Virtua Fighter... it did keep Metal Gear Solid but that's it.

MizFitAwesome

Too bad Bluray really isn't worth it...

its normal that there are many gamers having a 360 who are not interested in the PS3 in the same way many 360 owners will probably get one now that its only $299... that applies to all systems...

Personally i am not interested in the Wii but that doesnt mean Wii has nothing to offer, its just there are jsut 3 - 4 games i'd like to play on Wii so its not worth for me getting one..

Surely though there are many gamers who were waiting for PS3 to hit a lower price-tag ($299) and at such price I think its a great deal getting a gaming console with a strong library, Good Free online service, WIFI, many multimedia functions, 'reliable' hardware & is a Blu-Ray player too..

That's subjective. If someone is already in the market for one when looking at this offer then it obviously is worth it to them.

[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

topgunmv

Too bad Bluray really isn't worth it...

Why, you can get a standalone for over a hundred dollars cheaper?

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Delsage"]

Wow, two games that are also coming to the PS3. You know you must be pretty young, when the Atari 5200 was $330.00 back in 1982, that was expensive. Or were you alive during the time of the Neo Geo when it first arrived in 1990? That was $650.00, what about the 3DO which was $700.00, or better yet the Saturn which was $400.00.

Prices go up with the times, if anything $500.00 for a Blu Ray player that is also a game system was pretty reasonable. At $300.00 it's a fine deal indeed, and for lemmings to say that the 360 is still a better deal is just asinine.

Delsage

Atari 5200, NeoGeo, the Saturn and 3DO failed.

Blu-ray player? Please, no one cares about that. We want PlayStation for GAMES. Sony has just lost all the games that made the PS brand great - Final Fantasy, Grand Theft Auto, Devil May Cry, Tekken, Virtua Fighter... it did keep Metal Gear Solid but that's it.

Well the PS3 isn't failing, in fact I think it's been doing quite well up till now at the price it was at. It has higher sale numbers in both Europe and Japan, and is now the same price as the 360 which I think will boost the sales in not only both of the countries aforementioned, but America as well.

Final Fantasy started on the Nintendo, whereas Grand Theft Auto has been on Windows, Gameboy and the Dreamcast when it first started, and Virtual Fighter was a Sega game. So I don't know what your getting at. The only games that started on the Playstation was Tekken and Devil May Cry, but they were never owned by Sony so it's not like they lost an exclusive. So what was your point again?

Yes, it is selling better than they did due to the PlayStation brand, but it's not a really good comparison don't ya think? The fact is the PS3 was and is too expensive, I'd even consider the 360 too expensive.

Final Fantasy X and XII were exclusive to the PS2, and GTAIII series was exclusive for the PS2 for a long time which helped push tons of PS2 units, and Virtua Fighter was just better on the 360. My point is Sony lost too many exclusives to care about them anymore. Their franchises aren't Nintendo's (Nintendo can survive with poor third party support), and they just aren't worth buying a $300 system for, especially when most can be beaten in under 7 hours (ie Heavenly Sword, MGS4, Uncharted, etc. etc.).

[QUOTE="Midnightshade29"]

Now that the PS3 is priced the same as the 360 (the good model) and has more than the 360 and free online, I told my co-worker who owns a xbox and is an avid xbox360 about it. He like normal started bashing it for no reason atall. His brother in law let him borrow his ps3 while he went overseas 2 weeks ago. I lent him MGS4 and he couldn't stand it, His reason, was "It's just not right having a japanse game focusing on American charcters....blah blah blah...." You can imagine the arguments at work about this.

So I lent him uncharted, he loved it and finished the game in 3-4 days playing every day. But today when I told him about the slim, and another co-worker got in the mix, he just went off bashing it again. He asked me: "Name the best ps3 games." i did , I gave him about 6 exclusives, he said, "well I have never heard of any of those, they must not be good. I bet if you asked a random person on the street they wouldn't know them, but they would know halo and COD4." I said "just because a game isn't as marketed as halo doesn't maen it's a bad game." He said "If the game is good like halo people would know it....blah, blah , blah" It remeinded me a lot of some lemmings views on this forum.

This led to an argument, my thought is why do some people only follow what is popular or marketed to the extreme? Why do they not even give other games a chance? This same question can be done to genres too. It makes no sense to me why it's so important to him that a game be known by everyone. What happened to new ips, and good games in genral. Why are some people stuck on populartiy and trends? The PS3 has an incredible lineup, it's just makes me think that maybe people are to absorbed in the "MTV", "Trendy attitude" to recognize what great games are there or coming out., or they may not even try them becasue they're not Halo or COD4. It's sad to think that a big chunk of America is just like him, only following the "Trend of the day" ...what's your take? Do you think more people will try ps3 games now that the price is down or do you think people are going to still be like my co-worker... "It doesn't have halo" mentality?

MizFitAwesome

You're coworker sure knows more about gaming then you do. Did it ever occur to you that most people can actually see through Sony marketing overhype and overinflated review scores? I was talking to one today about playing MGS4 and he smiled and talked about how the FMV sequences drag on and on.

:lol: Just what has Microsoft brought to the table of gaming? Fable has been done before in other WRPG's, Halo is an overhyped FPS, I had more fun with Counter Strike in the day than Halo 2. So what than? The RRoD I guess is something to brag about, as the hardware for the 360 is obviously so reliable.

At least Sony has first party developers that actually make Good games and don't rely on third party developers to make games for them in order to keep their system afloat.

Yes, it is selling better than they did due to the PlayStation brand, but it's not a really good comparison don't ya think? The fact is the PS3 was and is too expensive, I'd even consider the 360 too expensive.

Final Fantasy X and XII were exclusive to the PS2, and GTAIII series was exclusive for the PS2 for a long time which helped push tons of PS2 units, and Virtua Fighter was just better on the 360. My point is Sony lost too many exclusives to care about them anymore. Their franchises aren't Nintendo's (Nintendo can survive with poor third party support), and they just aren't worth buying a $300 system for, especially when most can be beaten in under 7 hours (ie Heavenly Sword, MGS4, Uncharted, etc. etc.).

AHUGECAT

Good point. Isn't it sad when an XBLA game is longer then a portion of Sony's exclusive library?

[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

[QUOTE="Midnightshade29"]

Now that the PS3 is priced the same as the 360 (the good model) and has more than the 360 and free online, I told my co-worker who owns a xbox and is an avid xbox360 about it. He like normal started bashing it for no reason atall. His brother in law let him borrow his ps3 while he went overseas 2 weeks ago. I lent him MGS4 and he couldn't stand it, His reason, was "It's just not right having a japanse game focusing on American charcters....blah blah blah...." You can imagine the arguments at work about this.

So I lent him uncharted, he loved it and finished the game in 3-4 days playing every day. But today when I told him about the slim, and another co-worker got in the mix, he just went off bashing it again. He asked me: "Name the best ps3 games." i did , I gave him about 6 exclusives, he said, "well I have never heard of any of those, they must not be good. I bet if you asked a random person on the street they wouldn't know them, but they would know halo and COD4." I said "just because a game isn't as marketed as halo doesn't maen it's a bad game." He said "If the game is good like halo people would know it....blah, blah , blah" It remeinded me a lot of some lemmings views on this forum.

This led to an argument, my thought is why do some people only follow what is popular or marketed to the extreme? Why do they not even give other games a chance? This same question can be done to genres too. It makes no sense to me why it's so important to him that a game be known by everyone. What happened to new ips, and good games in genral. Why are some people stuck on populartiy and trends? The PS3 has an incredible lineup, it's just makes me think that maybe people are to absorbed in the "MTV", "Trendy attitude" to recognize what great games are there or coming out., or they may not even try them becasue they're not Halo or COD4. It's sad to think that a big chunk of America is just like him, only following the "Trend of the day" ...what's your take? Do you think more people will try ps3 games now that the price is down or do you think people are going to still be like my co-worker... "It doesn't have halo" mentality?

Delsage

You're coworker sure knows more about gaming then you do. Did it ever occur to you that most people can actually see through Sony marketing overhype and overinflated review scores? I was talking to one today about playing MGS4 and he smiled and talked about how the FMV sequences drag on and on.

:lol: Just what has Microsoft brought to the table of gaming? Fable has been done before in other WRPG's, Halo is an overhyped FPS, I had more fun with Counter Strike in the day than Halo 2. So what than? The RRoD I guess is something to brag about, as the hardware for the 360 is obviously so reliable.

At least Sony has first party developers that actually make Good games and don't rely on third party developers to make games for them in order to keep their system afloat.

Microsoft brought Xbox Live (and its innovations such as downloading demos, XBLA, chatting on a mic, etc. etc.), achievments, hard drive, Netflix, and a lot more.

And Sony's first/second party is far weaker than Microsoft's first/second party. Halo, Gears of War, Fable, Forza, blow away anything Sony has to offer.

The PS3 does not have a killer app, that's why. Maybe if it could've kept GTAIV, FFXIII and Tekken 6 as exclusives and stop delaying all its games that would change.

AHUGECAT

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Yes, it is selling better than they did due to the PlayStation brand, but it's not a really good comparison don't ya think? The fact is the PS3 was and is too expensive, I'd even consider the 360 too expensive.

Final Fantasy X and XII were exclusive to the PS2, and GTAIII series was exclusive for the PS2 for a long time which helped push tons of PS2 units, and Virtua Fighter was just better on the 360. My point is Sony lost too many exclusives to care about them anymore. Their franchises aren't Nintendo's (Nintendo can survive with poor third party support), and they just aren't worth buying a $300 system for, especially when most can be beaten in under 7 hours (ie Heavenly Sword, MGS4, Uncharted, etc. etc.).

MizFitAwesome

Good point. Isn't it sad when an XBLA game is longer then a portion of Sony's exclusive library?

Seriously, I played Uncharted and was shocked at how fast I was beating it (and yes, I was looking for some treasures). I ended up beating it super quick.... And then games like Killzone 2, Resistance 2, LittleBigPlanet are practically dead online. PS3 has no longetivity.

[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

[QUOTE="Midnightshade29"]

Now that the PS3 is priced the same as the 360 (the good model) and has more than the 360 and free online, I told my co-worker who owns a xbox and is an avid xbox360 about it. He like normal started bashing it for no reason atall. His brother in law let him borrow his ps3 while he went overseas 2 weeks ago. I lent him MGS4 and he couldn't stand it, His reason, was "It's just not right having a japanse game focusing on American charcters....blah blah blah...." You can imagine the arguments at work about this.

So I lent him uncharted, he loved it and finished the game in 3-4 days playing every day. But today when I told him about the slim, and another co-worker got in the mix, he just went off bashing it again. He asked me: "Name the best ps3 games." i did , I gave him about 6 exclusives, he said, "well I have never heard of any of those, they must not be good. I bet if you asked a random person on the street they wouldn't know them, but they would know halo and COD4." I said "just because a game isn't as marketed as halo doesn't maen it's a bad game." He said "If the game is good like halo people would know it....blah, blah , blah" It remeinded me a lot of some lemmings views on this forum.

This led to an argument, my thought is why do some people only follow what is popular or marketed to the extreme? Why do they not even give other games a chance? This same question can be done to genres too. It makes no sense to me why it's so important to him that a game be known by everyone. What happened to new ips, and good games in genral. Why are some people stuck on populartiy and trends? The PS3 has an incredible lineup, it's just makes me think that maybe people are to absorbed in the "MTV", "Trendy attitude" to recognize what great games are there or coming out., or they may not even try them becasue they're not Halo or COD4. It's sad to think that a big chunk of America is just like him, only following the "Trend of the day" ...what's your take? Do you think more people will try ps3 games now that the price is down or do you think people are going to still be like my co-worker... "It doesn't have halo" mentality?

Delsage

You're coworker sure knows more about gaming then you do. Did it ever occur to you that most people can actually see through Sony marketing overhype and overinflated review scores? I was talking to one today about playing MGS4 and he smiled and talked about how the FMV sequences drag on and on.

:lol: Just what has Microsoft brought to the table of gaming? Fable has been done before in other WRPG's, Halo is an overhyped FPS, I had more fun with Counter Strike in the day than Halo 2. So what than? The RRoD I guess is something to brag about, as the hardware for the 360 is obviously so reliable.

At least Sony has first party developers that actually make Good games and don't rely on third party developers to make games for them in order to keep their system afloat.

Yes, the games are so good, they collect dust on the shevles of videogame stores everywhere...

[QUOTE="Delsage"]

[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

You're coworker sure knows more about gaming then you do. Did it ever occur to you that most people can actually see through Sony marketing overhype and overinflated review scores? I was talking to one today about playing MGS4 and he smiled and talked about how the FMV sequences drag on and on.

MizFitAwesome

:lol: Just what has Microsoft brought to the table of gaming? Fable has been done before in other WRPG's, Halo is an overhyped FPS, I had more fun with Counter Strike in the day than Halo 2. So what than? The RRoD I guess is something to brag about, as the hardware for the 360 is obviously so reliable.

At least Sony has first party developers that actually make Good games and don't rely on third party developers to make games for them in order to keep their system afloat.

Yes, the games are so good, they collect dust on the shevles of videogame stores everywhere...

I know huh. I mean I hear tons of hype about Sony's first/second party line up and when I go to a store there is only like 5 and none are really that great. Certainly not even close to Nintendo status. Seriously Sony, if you're going to let your third parties go to other systems AT LEAST have a superior first party! When Nintendo lost their third party they responded with Goldeneye, Ocarina of Time, Mario 64, and many other games.... Sony has responded with Infamous and Killzone 2.... LOL what a joke.

Because for another 100$ you also get to play ps3 games? Pretty good deal considering the ps2 still costs 99$.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

That's subjective. If someone is already in the market for one when looking at this offer then it obviously is worth it to them.

[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

Too bad Bluray really isn't worth it...

MizFitAwesome

Why, you can get a standalone for over a hundred dollars cheaper?

Seriously, I played Uncharted and was shocked at how fast I was beating it (and yes, I was looking for some treasures). I ended up beating it super quick.... And then games like Killzone 2, Resistance 2, LittleBigPlanet are practically dead online. PS3 has no longetivity.

AHUGECAT

Of course it doesn't. Do you ever notice how fast their blind faithful flood these forums AFTER the release of these supposed 'good' games? It's like they are totally bored with it days afterward.

TC mentioned his cool gamer coworker took 3-4 days to beat Uncharted. He must have played it an hour a day....

[QUOTE="Delsage"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Yeah, I do too. Before consoles were $599, before forcing new discs on us we don't care about, etc. etc.

AHUGECAT

Wow, two games that are also coming to the PS3. You know you must be pretty young, when the Atari 5200 was $330.00 back in 1982, that was expensive. Or were you alive during the time of the Neo Geo when it first arrived in 1990? That was $650.00, what about the 3DO which was $700.00, or better yet the Saturn which was $400.00.

Prices go up with the times, if anything $500.00 for a Blu Ray player that is also a game system was pretty reasonable. At $300.00 it's a fine deal indeed, and for lemmings to say that the 360 is still a better deal is just asinine.

Atari 5200, NeoGeo, the Saturn and 3DO failed.

Blu-ray player? Please, no one cares about that. We want PlayStation for GAMES. Sony has just lost all the games that made the PS brand great - Final Fantasy, Grand Theft Auto, Devil May Cry, Tekken, Virtua Fighter... it did keep Metal Gear Solid but that's it.

besides sony kept, GoW, Jak, R&C, and spawned so many awesome new series it's amazing...

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Seriously, I played Uncharted and was shocked at how fast I was beating it (and yes, I was looking for some treasures). I ended up beating it super quick.... And then games like Killzone 2, Resistance 2, LittleBigPlanet are practically dead online. PS3 has no longetivity.

MizFitAwesome

Of course it doesn't. Do you ever notice how fast their blind faithful flood these forums AFTER the release of these supposed 'good' games? It's like they are totally bored with it days afterward.

TC mentioned his cool gamer coworker took 3-4 days to beat Uncharted. He must have played it an hour a day....

Yup, heck, there are over 100,000 people playing Halo 3 right now online. Gears of War 2 probably has similar numbers. Xbox 360 owners have more games to play so they aren't on forums as much.

No kidding.... I played it (PSN ID: AHUGECAT) and beat it almost immediately, even looking for treasures. I feel sorry for anyone who paid $60 for this game. Maybe if it was 12-15 hours with some replay value it'd be OK.... $40 at the most.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Delsage"]

Wow, two games that are also coming to the PS3. You know you must be pretty young, when the Atari 5200 was $330.00 back in 1982, that was expensive. Or were you alive during the time of the Neo Geo when it first arrived in 1990? That was $650.00, what about the 3DO which was $700.00, or better yet the Saturn which was $400.00.

Prices go up with the times, if anything $500.00 for a Blu Ray player that is also a game system was pretty reasonable. At $300.00 it's a fine deal indeed, and for lemmings to say that the 360 is still a better deal is just asinine.

ps3wizard45

Atari 5200, NeoGeo, the Saturn and 3DO failed.

Blu-ray player? Please, no one cares about that. We want PlayStation for GAMES. Sony has just lost all the games that made the PS brand great - Final Fantasy, Grand Theft Auto, Devil May Cry, Tekken, Virtua Fighter... it did keep Metal Gear Solid but that's it.

besides sony kept, GoW, Jak, R&C, and spawned so many awesome new series it's amazing...

Yeah but it gives less reasons to get a PS3. I remember Vice City being the sole reason I wanted a PS2. GTAIV could've been that for the PS3.

God of War is great, but that isn't enough. And what new series? Lol, Sony hasn't launched really any new series. Infamous? Please. What else? Heavenly Sword? Those are amazing?

:lol: Just what has Microsoft brought to the table of gaming? Fable has been done before in other WRPG's, Halo is an overhyped FPS, I had more fun with Counter Strike in the day than Halo 2. So what than? The RRoD I guess is something to brag about, as the hardware for the 360 is obviously so reliable.

At least Sony has first party developers that actually make Good games and don't rely on third party developers to make games for them in order to keep their system afloat.

Delsage

what has Microsoft brought to the table of gaming you ask? they brought competition toward sony and nintendo. Those microsoft's exclusives might not be appealing to you but they are popular among the masses. You think that only 3rd party developers are keeping the 360 a float but you know that first party exclusives such as halo, fable, gears of war do move ALOT of systems right?