Phil Spencer apologizes for sexist and embarrising objectification of woman

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#51  Edited By lamprey263  Online
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Brianna Wu **pfft**

Maybe she should attend Tokyo game show and go lecture everyone then and there about how sexist booth babes are and anime and gaming culture in general, to their face, instead of getting passive aggressive on her Twitter.

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While this doesn't offend me, what was the reasoning for hiring "strippers" in the first place? it seems kind of dumb unless they were announcing something for Vampire: The Masquerade

Also:

This is the first fucking time I've felt this unwelcome at a games event. I know it happens and it shits me.

...should probably see a doctor about that

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So in other words, Booth babes?

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@hrt_rulz01 said:

It's hard to comment without being there and seeing the context in which the dancers were performing, but it does seem a bit out of place.

But if people were offended by it, I guess it's good that MS acknowledged it.

Seriously?

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#55 hrt_rulz01
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@Chutebox: What?

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@uninspiredcup:

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@silversix_ said:

Hope he apologies for the 720p in QB as well.

i lol'd

But yeah, there should not of been dancers at this conference anyways? Dont know who hired them, guess MS was playing ti safe. Sucks you have to apologize for every little thing, but these dancers seemed out of place for this type of function.

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Sounds like my kinda party.

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#59 KEND0_KAP0NI
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Phil should have not ever said anything, he doenst have to apologies.

Brianna Wu finds it offensive, well thats like your opinion bitch and you can whine and complain about because we arent gonna censor you. BUT we can and should ignore you.

This should have been ignored and never an apology should have been made.

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#60  Edited By lamprey263  Online
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Maybe Microsoft contracted with one of those companies that specialize in supplying parties with fake party guests, usually attractive high energy individuals to liven the party, to keep the real invited guests engaged and entertained, (such things do exist and big companies do use them), but somewhere along the way signals got crossed and the agency mixed up peoples time cards and they got the go-go dancers instead.

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ugh, SJWs.

I would have loved to be at that party.

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Looking at some of those tweets, it just screams of "I don't like so no one should". These are the same people who blasted Kim K for posting those nude photos on her twitter.

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@lamprey263 said:

Brianna Wu **pfft**

Yeah I stopped reading there.

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@flyincloud1116: An exceptional point my friend. Throughout time be it geishas in Japan, concubines in the Middle East or Queens using breeding to intertwine bloodlines and countries, woman have always used their body as an empowering means of advancement.

This Harry Potter girl with the kit-kat eyebrows is probably upset she's unattractive to men.

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If you think that Geisha or any concubines were examples of women using their bodies to get an edge or are in any way trying to suggest that they had easy lives, I suggest you read... like... literally any history book on those topics.

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@agash28 said:

I get what your saying but I'm confused on whether this GDC party is professional or just a simple party?

I'm pretty sure it was a professional industry party. That it was attended by people in the industry and that it's therefore probably a good idea for Microsoft to give off the appearance of professionalism.

Yeah, at conferences like these your $2,000 or more ticket gets you access to all the sessions, the expo floor (which is where you get all the free swag), and generally the hosting organization or major sponsor hosted after parties. These are usually held on a Wednesday or Thursday (the night before the last day of the conference, so people can attend and still fly out the following afternoon) and are only open to paid attendees of the conference. This wasn't something that a few MS peeps did privately, it was the official Microsoft hosted after party for the Games Developer's Conference.

Is it the end of the world? No, but it was a pretty boneheaded thing for the organizers of the event to do, especially literally on the same day that Microsoft hosted a session on increasing the presence of women at the same conference.

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I'm guessing Brianna Wu got jealous of all the attractive women that she deep down yearns to be.

It's funny though, I don't see any feminists apologizing for objectifying men in Magic Mike.

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@Byshop: Thanks for the info.

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#68  Edited By JangoWuzHere
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All the outrage in this thread is hilarious. "Blah blah SJWs blah grrrr political correctness blah blah"

Seriously, video games as a medium and industry have matured. Industry leaders shoving ass and tits in people's faces is juvenile at this point.

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@silversix_ said:

Hope he apologies for the 720p in QB as well.

That's what he really should be apologizing for.

Gogo dancers and booth babes are nothing really, everyone uses sex to sell things.

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@JangoWuzHere said:

All the outrage in this thread is hilarious. "Blah blah SJWs blah grrrr political correctness blah blah"

Seriously, video games as a medium and industry have matured. Industry leaders shoving ass and tits in people's faces is juvenile at this point.

Considering everyone's favourite "premiere" cable channel is HBO, the home of arse, tits, and swear words, I seriously doubt anyone's matured. When did that Anaconda music video come out again, while we're on the at subject?

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Also, while I'm not really supportive of men and women stripping down and being objects of sexual gratification, SJWs are part of that "equality is allowing people to do whatever they want to do and not be judged for it". And here we have SJWs moaning about women in a first world country being paid to dance in semi-nude clothing. It was both Microsoft and the womens' choices. If you're for "tolerance", go all the way with it. Otherwise you're just heading towards leftist fascism.

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@FrozenLiquid said:
@JangoWuzHere said:

All the outrage in this thread is hilarious. "Blah blah SJWs blah grrrr political correctness blah blah"

Seriously, video games as a medium and industry have matured. Industry leaders shoving ass and tits in people's faces is juvenile at this point.

Considering everyone's favourite "premiere" cable channel is HBO, the home of arse, tits, and swear words, I seriously doubt anyone's matured. When did that Anaconda music video come out again, while we're on the at subject?

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Also, while I'm not really supportive of men and women stripping down and being objects of sexual gratification, SJWs are part of that "equality is allowing people to do whatever they want to do and not be judged for it". And here we have SJWs moaning about women in a first world country being paid to dance in semi-nude clothing. It was both Microsoft and the womens' choices. If you're for "tolerance", go all the way with it. Otherwise you're just heading towards leftist fascism.

Not sure what any of that has to do with this. There is a difference between seeking that sort of entertainment out and coming across it unexpectiedly. This is just sleazy marketing, while a music video and television are more about expressing artistic creativity. Seeing people **** around in Game of Thrones feels appropriate, this does not.

I'm not sure how an event like GDC is appropriate for scantily clad strippers. Sure, Microsoft totally has the choice in what they do, but that doesn't mean I can't criticize them for their bullshit.

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@SpinoRaptor24 said:

I'm guessing Brianna Wu got jealous of all the attractive women that she deep down yearns to be.

It's funny though, I don't see any feminists apologizing for objectifying men in Magic Mike.

Because double standards man.

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@Byshop:

For the parents, sending a child off to the pleasure quarters was nothing out of the ordinary, it is still done to this day in Asia. Apart from the much-needed money and the brutal necessity of reducing the number of mouths to be fed, they probably felt they were giving their daughter a chance in life. Going to Kyoto to eat fine food, wear fine clothes, meet fine people and be educated offered far more hope than staying in the countryside hoeing the soil for the rest of her life. As for the child, according to the Confucian code it was her filial duty to put the well-being of her family ahead of her own. Girls who were sold to the pleasure quarters were considered virtuous and admirable for having sacrificed themselves for their family.

Most were recruited when they were six or seven and had only the haziest memories of life outside the walls of the pleasure quarter. While peasants were lucky if they had millet, the children in Shimabara ate white rice, wore beautiful kimonos and learnt to walk, talk and comport themselves in the exaggeratedly feminine style of the quarter.

Initially the children worked as maids. When they were older, if they showed promise they became kamuro (child attendants to a courtesan). The courtesan taught them how to behave and ensured that they were trained in accomplishments such as calligraphy, tea ceremony and music. There were many little secrets to be absorbed: how to lure men, how to wind them around their little fingers with tears or protestations of undying love, how to write love letters, how to hold men off long enough to drive them mad with desire, how to pleasure them in the bedchamber and how to fake an orgasm while conserving one’s energy for the next customer. The key rule was to play at love but never, never to allow oneself to feel it. That way lay disaster.

At the very pinnacle of the hierarchy of prostitutes and courtesans were the tayu. If a man wanted to enjoy the company of one, the first step was to go to an ageya, a house of assignation (the precursor of the teahouses of the geisha districts) to apply for a meeting. If he was a sophisticate, he would ask for one of the tayu by name; some were so popular that it might take months before a day became free in their calendar. The owner of the ageya would write a letter to the bordello where the courtesan lived, roll it up and give it to a messenger. While the customer was waiting, he would enjoy the services of jesters and dancing girls and ply them with food and drink, all of which, of course, would be added to his bill. Hours later, the tayu would sweep in, dressed in layer upon layer of gorgeous kimonos and accompanied by a flotilla of child attendants and dancing girls, having progressed at snail’s pace along the boulevard with her entourage. They would while away the evening playing music, dancing, exchanging poems, enjoying tea ceremony and incense ceremony — exactly as if they were ladies and gentlemen of the Heian court. Sex did not automatically follow. After all, it would lower the courtesan’s worth if she were too easily available. A proprietor who owned a beautiful tayu would want to increase the value of his or her investment by making her as exclusive as possible. If the man wanted to spend the night with the courtesan, he would have to engage in a long and very expensive courtship. The earliest that one could hope to experience her luxurious silk bedding was at the third visit. And even then, if the tayu was not satisfied with the man’s performance, she could decline to sleep with him. If she did agree to spend the night with him, the cost was 90 silver nuggets (momme) which equalled 1½ gold nuggets (ryo), in modern currency about £420.[12] It was costly but, for a wealthy man, the only sort of person whom a tayu would consider, hardly prohibitive.

They probably accepted the hardships with stoicism. That was the way it was in the floating world and, in any case, any other life would have had its hardships too. Within the narrow confines of their gilded cage they were queens. The one chance of escape — if they wanted it — was to find someone prepared to buy out their contract and make them his wife or mistress. As the old saying went, the courtesan’s favourite lie was ‘I love you’, the customer’s ‘I will marry you’.

The names and rankings changed over the centuries but everyone agreed that the greatest courtesans of all time were the tayu of seventeenth-century Shimabara. Tayu were also known as keisei (castle topplers) because, it was said, they could overthrow a castle with a single flutter of their eyelashes or, like Helen of Troy, bring an entire kingdom to ruin. Their looks fitted the canons of beauty of the day and they were accomplished and gracious paragons of every virtue (except, of course, chastity). They were superstars, celebrated in woodblock prints and written about endlessly in guidebooks to the pleasure quarters. The most famous of all the castle-toppling courtesans was the peerless Yoshino.

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@JangoWuzHere said:

All the outrage in this thread is hilarious. "Blah blah SJWs blah grrrr political correctness blah blah"

Seriously, video games as a medium and industry have matured. Industry leaders shoving ass and tits in people's faces is juvenile at this point.

And yet the most popular TV show is Game of Thrones, a series dedicated to ass and tits.

Besides, who are you to tell people what they can and can't enjoy in their videogames?

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@SpinoRaptor24 said:
@JangoWuzHere said:

All the outrage in this thread is hilarious. "Blah blah SJWs blah grrrr political correctness blah blah"

Seriously, video games as a medium and industry have matured. Industry leaders shoving ass and tits in people's faces is juvenile at this point.

Besides, who are you to tell people what they can and can't enjoy in their videogames?

I'm not?

We're talking about a GDC party, not the subject material in a video game.

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@JangoWuzHere said:
@SpinoRaptor24 said:
@JangoWuzHere said:

All the outrage in this thread is hilarious. "Blah blah SJWs blah grrrr political correctness blah blah"

Seriously, video games as a medium and industry have matured. Industry leaders shoving ass and tits in people's faces is juvenile at this point.

Besides, who are you to tell people what they can and can't enjoy in their videogames?

I'm not?

We're talking about a GDC party, not the subject material in a video game.

It was a party, whats wrong with having dancers?

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@JangoWuzHere said:
@SpinoRaptor24 said:
@JangoWuzHere said:

All the outrage in this thread is hilarious. "Blah blah SJWs blah grrrr political correctness blah blah"

Seriously, video games as a medium and industry have matured. Industry leaders shoving ass and tits in people's faces is juvenile at this point.

Besides, who are you to tell people what they can and can't enjoy in their videogames?

I'm not?

We're talking about a GDC party, not the subject material in a video game.

If you're going to sit there and get upset over sexy dancers at a party, then you might as well start clamoring for no sexual objectification in all forms of media and entertainment. That includes videogames, movies, TV shows, strip clubs etc. Again, just because you and other SJWs and feminists are too insecure to enjoy such things doesn't mean others can't enjoy it either.

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@SpinoRaptor24 said:
@JangoWuzHere said:
@SpinoRaptor24 said:
@JangoWuzHere said:

All the outrage in this thread is hilarious. "Blah blah SJWs blah grrrr political correctness blah blah"

Seriously, video games as a medium and industry have matured. Industry leaders shoving ass and tits in people's faces is juvenile at this point.

Besides, who are you to tell people what they can and can't enjoy in their videogames?

I'm not?

We're talking about a GDC party, not the subject material in a video game.

If you're going to sit there and get upset over sexy dancers at a party, then you might as well start clamoring for no sexual objectification in all forms of media and entertainment. That includes videogames, movies, TV shows, strip clubs etc.

lol no, not even the same fucking thing. You're insane if you think my criticism of GDC exotic dancers somehow translates to all entertainment and beyond.

Please continue to be outraged over my posts. It's quite hilarious.

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@JangoWuzHere said:
@SpinoRaptor24 said:
@JangoWuzHere said:
@SpinoRaptor24 said:
@JangoWuzHere said:

All the outrage in this thread is hilarious. "Blah blah SJWs blah grrrr political correctness blah blah"

Seriously, video games as a medium and industry have matured. Industry leaders shoving ass and tits in people's faces is juvenile at this point.

Besides, who are you to tell people what they can and can't enjoy in their videogames?

I'm not?

We're talking about a GDC party, not the subject material in a video game.

If you're going to sit there and get upset over sexy dancers at a party, then you might as well start clamoring for no sexual objectification in all forms of media and entertainment. That includes videogames, movies, TV shows, strip clubs etc.

lol no, not even the same fucking thing. You're insane if you think my criticism of GDC exotic dancers somehow translates to all entertainment and beyond.

Please continue to be outraged over my posts. It's quite hilarious.

Yeah? So why is it ok to have sexy dancers in say movies but not at parties?

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It was a party at a San Francisco night club....And they weren't exotic dancers. This is how parties usually are in these kind of locations. A lot of people inside these places are also women attendees (typically, not sure about the MS party), even though there might be women background dancers. They typically have no issue with this.

Have you ever in your life been to a party at a night club? Because the way you are speaking makes it sound like you have not.

Please stop trying to dictate ethics.

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#81  Edited By JangoWuzHere
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@bigfatmistake: Hush Donald Drumpf

@SpinoRaptor24: I never said you couldn't have sexy dancers at parties. Considering the context of GDC and Microsoft's push for more female game developers at the event, it feels out of place. You don't have sexy dancers at an FFA party do you?

Anyway, I've already said what I wanted to say earlier. This discussion is pointless, no more replies.

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@bigfatmistake said:

@JangoWuzHere

It was a party at a San Francisco night club....And they weren't exotic dancers. This is how parties usually are in these kind of locations. A lot of people inside these places are also women attendees (typically, not sure about the MS party), even though there might be women background dancers. They typically have no issue with this.

Have you ever in your life been to a party at a night club? Because the way you are speaking makes it sound like you have not.

Please stop trying to dictate ethics.

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#83  Edited By SpinoRaptor24
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@JangoWuzHere said:

I never said you couldn't have sexy dancers at parties. Considering the context of GDC and Microsoft's push for more female game developers at the event, it feels out of place. You don't have sexy dancers at an FFA party do you?

Anyway, I've already said what I wanted to say earlier. This discussion is pointless, no more replies.

You said at the beginning that it's the industry as a whole that has matured. Now you're backpedaling by electing to single out parties.

What, are these female developers so insecure that they're going to throw a hissyfit over every scantily dressed woman in the entire games industry?

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Bla bla bla... meh.

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Scantily clad girls in schoolgirl outfits at a developer conference? That's a little tacky. No wonder people associate the Xbox brand with creepy sexless losers.

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Unless those "exotic dancers" were forced to be there against their will, there's nothing serious going on. Yes it's another stupid PR move, and it was probably completely out of context for the event but no need to freak out.

Weird times, with people getting offended by everything and then more people getting offended over why other people get offended. It simultaneously depressing and hilarious.

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@Pray_to_me said:

Scantily clad girls in schoolgirl outfits at a developer conference? That's a little tacky.

@phbz said:

it was probably completely out of context for the event but no need to freak out.

It was a private after hours party. Not the actual GDC convention, and the dancers were not exotic/erotic.

Don't be fooled by the thought police.

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@bigfatmistake said:
@Pray_to_me said:

Scantily clad girls in schoolgirl outfits at a developer conference? That's a little tacky.

@phbz said:

it was probably completely out of context for the event but no need to freak out.

It was a private after hours party. Not the actual GDC convention, and the dancers were not exotic/erotic.

Don't be fooled by the thought police.

Thought police, my ass. People complain about EVERYTHING. If Microsoft thought that the people complaining about this didn't have a good point, and if Microsoft thought that it would be in their best interests to just ignore the people complaining, then they wouldn't have apologized. "Thought police" implies a level of actual control, which is bullshit because no one made Microsoft do a damn thing. Welcome to 2016. No matter what it is you do, if you have the same level of public attention as Microsoft, someone is gonna complain about what you do. Therefore, you are ALWAYS going to be ignoring SOMEONE'S complaints.

Should Microsoft have ignored these complaints? I don't know, but it's real freaking easy for me to have an opinion when I'm not the one taking on the risk. They're a business, it's their money on the line, and it's their decision what kind of image they want to represent themselves with. No one policed them, no one censored them, they can just say "**** the haters" and be just ALL about the T&A.

Will you people please stop with the "thought police" and "PC is destroying America" comments? You're seriously coming off aas more whiny and delusional than the people that you're complaining about for being whiny and delusional. Freaking Microsoft does not have to apologize for some T&A at an industry party unless they want to. The people complaining at the party may very well be oversensitive, but it's freaking 2016. If you want to have the same kind of industry presence as freaking Microsoft, you'd better freaking get used to the fact that you're not gonna please everyone. SOMEONE is going to take offense at SOMETHING you do. And when you cave in, it's not their fault for complaining. If they were wrong, if ignoring their complaints was in your best interests, then issuing an apology is YOUR fault for not having a spine.

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Objectifying female characters is a problem- and it's become a real hot button issue. Im not surprised people were a little angry over Microsoft's choice of entertainment. It may not offend you personally, but I understand the outcry

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#91  Edited By KungfuKitten
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@Shmiity said:

Objectifying female characters is a problem- and it's become a real hot button issue. Im not surprised people were a little angry over Microsoft's choice of entertainment. It may not offend you personally, but I understand the outcry

I disagree that it's a problem. Some people are into that sort of thing.

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This sort of thing doesn't make sense to me. We're all individuals, right? If a woman is on a stage dancing or whatever it's cuz she chose to. She doesn't represent all women, just herself.

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Stupid SJW

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@meathead373 said:

It was kind of an odd choice for the event, but it's pretty uncool that they got slammed so hard over it... If you don't like it fucking ignore it, this everyone who is offended gets their way thing is really tiring

Then why aren't you ignoring it? Seems hypocritical to complain about someone else complaining. If you have that right....so do they.

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@JangoWuzHere said:

All the outrage in this thread is hilarious. "Blah blah SJWs blah grrrr political correctness blah blah"

Seriously, video games as a medium and industry have matured. Industry leaders shoving ass and tits in people's faces is juvenile at this point.

Agreed 100%. But I don't expect the anti-PC meatheads on this forum to take a post like this into consideration. These people have no capacity for nuance and they belong to a culture in which classy or mature behavior is actively scorned. Just look at all the people on OT who are attracted to Donald Trump because of his crudeness and vulgarity.

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@MrGeezer said:
@bigfatmistake said:
@Pray_to_me said:

Scantily clad girls in schoolgirl outfits at a developer conference? That's a little tacky.

@phbz said:

it was probably completely out of context for the event but no need to freak out.

It was a private after hours party. Not the actual GDC convention, and the dancers were not exotic/erotic.

Don't be fooled by the thought police.

Thought police, my ass. People complain about EVERYTHING. If Microsoft thought that the people complaining about this didn't have a good point, and if Microsoft thought that it would be in their best interests to just ignore the people complaining, then they wouldn't have apologized. "Thought police" implies a level of actual control, which is bullshit because no one made Microsoft do a damn thing. Welcome to 2016. No matter what it is you do, if you have the same level of public attention as Microsoft, someone is gonna complain about what you do. Therefore, you are ALWAYS going to be ignoring SOMEONE'S complaints.

Should Microsoft have ignored these complaints? I don't know, but it's real freaking easy for me to have an opinion when I'm not the one taking on the risk. They're a business, it's their money on the line, and it's their decision what kind of image they want to represent themselves with. No one policed them, no one censored them, they can just say "**** the haters" and be just ALL about the T&A.

Will you people please stop with the "thought police" and "PC is destroying America" comments? You're seriously coming off aas more whiny and delusional than the people that you're complaining about for being whiny and delusional. Freaking Microsoft does not have to apologize for some T&A at an industry party unless they want to. The people complaining at the party may very well be oversensitive, but it's freaking 2016. If you want to have the same kind of industry presence as freaking Microsoft, you'd better freaking get used to the fact that you're not gonna please everyone. SOMEONE is going to take offense at SOMETHING you do. And when you cave in, it's not their fault for complaining. If they were wrong, if ignoring their complaints was in your best interests, then issuing an apology is YOUR fault for not having a spine.

Good post. People on this forum are deluded into thinking that companies with reputations to maintain should run their business as if everyone in world is a System Wars poster.

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If they had just hired full figured women to dance around they would be heros today.

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@uninspiredcup: Was that intended as a rebuttal? What part if your cut and paste sounds like an easy life? Geisha had it a bit better than prostitues of the same era, but we're still talking about being sold by your family into a life of servitude and years of gruelling training and losing your virignity to the highest bidder. Money you "earned" went to the okaa-san, not you. While sex with customers was not a normal part of the Geisha's job, it was still a life of what was only a step up from slavery (do this or get kicked out and starve).

Frankly, your whole premise is so ridiculous I'm going to assume (for your sake) that you are just trolling and move on.

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@GreySeal9 said:
@MrGeezer said:
@bigfatmistake said:
@Pray_to_me said:

Scantily clad girls in schoolgirl outfits at a developer conference? That's a little tacky.

@phbz said:

it was probably completely out of context for the event but no need to freak out.

It was a private after hours party. Not the actual GDC convention, and the dancers were not exotic/erotic.

Don't be fooled by the thought police.

Thought police, my ass. People complain about EVERYTHING. If Microsoft thought that the people complaining about this didn't have a good point, and if Microsoft thought that it would be in their best interests to just ignore the people complaining, then they wouldn't have apologized. "Thought police" implies a level of actual control, which is bullshit because no one made Microsoft do a damn thing. Welcome to 2016. No matter what it is you do, if you have the same level of public attention as Microsoft, someone is gonna complain about what you do. Therefore, you are ALWAYS going to be ignoring SOMEONE'S complaints.

Should Microsoft have ignored these complaints? I don't know, but it's real freaking easy for me to have an opinion when I'm not the one taking on the risk. They're a business, it's their money on the line, and it's their decision what kind of image they want to represent themselves with. No one policed them, no one censored them, they can just say "**** the haters" and be just ALL about the T&A.

Will you people please stop with the "thought police" and "PC is destroying America" comments? You're seriously coming off aas more whiny and delusional than the people that you're complaining about for being whiny and delusional. Freaking Microsoft does not have to apologize for some T&A at an industry party unless they want to. The people complaining at the party may very well be oversensitive, but it's freaking 2016. If you want to have the same kind of industry presence as freaking Microsoft, you'd better freaking get used to the fact that you're not gonna please everyone. SOMEONE is going to take offense at SOMETHING you do. And when you cave in, it's not their fault for complaining. If they were wrong, if ignoring their complaints was in your best interests, then issuing an apology is YOUR fault for not having a spine.

Good post. People on this forum are deluded into thinking that companies with reputations to maintain should run their business as if everyone in world is a System Wars poster.

I wonder how many people complaining about this on the forums have actually worked in an office for a major corporation. Fans of dancers in skimpy clothing or not, I don't think there's a single person I work with who would have thought this was a good idea for an official sponsored company event (and yes, it was the Microsoft sponsored after party for GDC, not a "private party"). I have literally seen people get fired from leadership positions in major companies for stuff along these lines. I don't know if this particular instance is quite that bad, but someone demonstrated some pretty poor judgement here.

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@-CC-: Very true words my friend, contemporary opinion can vary widely. Plumpness was considered more attractive, even pious; thanks to the likes of Nigella Lawson, Christina Hendricks, and Kim Kardashians jelly butt, the fickle scales of humanity tip once again.