Phil Spencer's take on exclusives and "experience"

Live comes with monthly games. Do PC gamers get monthly games? NO. So, that point doesn't make much sense.

@quadknight said:

@nyadc said:

@quadknight said:

Microsoft knew right from time QB would be coming to PC. They lied to lems for more than 2 years and then revealed the truth to them 2 months before launch, lol.

That's what you lems get for supporting a shit console like the Xbone.

"Bu...bu...bu...but Phil Spencer is our savior!!1 I believe in Phil!1!"

REKT

Honestly, this is getting pretty sad, I don't really see anyone freaking out about this and you're trying oh so hard to make it into a big deal, it's not catching on dude, let it go...

You don't see anyone? Really? No need to lie Nya. Hardcore lems are going ballistic over this news....

Those are extremists involved heavily in social media making a stink, I'm talking about actual people, especially ones around here, it's not really affecting anyone. What I see taking place is people like yourself trying extremely hard to make this out to be some huge issue when the reality is most don't really care.

I can feel the weight of how much you guys are trying to force this into being an issue, it's not a natural turn of events that you're trying to portray, you're acting like an M80 going off is a nuclear blast...

I don't see how the vita is relevant since the xbox one doesn't have a handheld that has a bunch of exclusives itself, so all taking vita exclusives away does is make it an even battle between ps4 and xbox one, and ps4 dominated that battle.

2 exclusives versus over 20.

Also lol at the last guardian, that game couldn't run on ps3 and that's why they waited for ps4, also that is 1 game.

@Pedro: They don't have to pay for online and you get better deals from humblebundle and other stuff, and you KNOW what games you want and buy the games you end up wanting.

That's literally just common sense.

lol at people complaining about paid Live, you guys were silly enough to support paid Live in the first place..& heck even defending it..now all of the sudden its a boohoo. Oh because Windows now gets Xbone game. :P

Its pretty incredible to what lenght xbox fanboys would go to justify their shitty nogamesbox.

I can only laugh at all the lemmings trying to spin this.

But still Philly Boy is doing good work playing lemmings like the little fuccbois they are and his flip flopping is really funny when I saw it pointed out earlier today.

From /v/:

Philly Boy: I WANT TO WIN THE CONSOLE WAR!

A few weeks later or so....

Philly Boy: I gave up on winning

A few weeks later or so....

Philly Boy: Console wars are shit, SHIT! Lets all be friend okay?

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Philly Boy: I WANT XBOX OWNERS TO FEEL FIRST CLASS

More and more games get announced for PC while leaving the xbone dry and irrelevant

Some Lems are not satisfied and call Phil out on his shit

Philly Boy: SUCK IT UP! YOU DONT LOSE ANYTHING! IM NOT ABOUT BUILDING WALLS!

you shouldnt build bargin bin PC's just for the sake of saying you game on Pc. Building a $600 pc will last you maybe to the summer. Because we talk about gaming on PC with Max settings not just barely getting by the minimum requirements.

@deeph said:

Its pretty incredible to what lenght xbox fanboys would go to justify their shitty nogamesbox.

I can only laugh at all the lemmings trying to spin this.

But still Philly Boy is doing good work playing lemmings like the little fuccbois they are and his flip flopping is really funny when I saw it pointed out earlier today.

From /v/:

Philly Boy: I WANT TO WIN THE CONSOLE WAR!

A few weeks later or so....

Philly Boy: I gave up on winning

A few weeks later or so....

Philly Boy: Console wars are shit, SHIT! Lets all be friend okay?

____________

Philly Boy: I WANT XBOX OWNERS TO FEEL FIRST CLASS

More and more games get announced for PC while leaving the xbone dry and irrelevant

Some Lems are not satisfied and call Phil out on his shit

Philly Boy: SUCK IT UP! YOU DONT LOSE ANYTHING! IM NOT ABOUT BUILDING WALLS!

LOL, epic post!

@deeph: You seem to have some issues to work out...

@lundy86_4: Guess I hurt your feelings by speaking the truth.

:´(

LIVE subscription fees is another source of revenue that Microsoft receives from Xbox since they make no money off the hardware sale. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they were losing money off each console since they were doing "promo" sales super often.

They wouldn't be charging for online if people didn't pay for it though. Console gamers could easily make Sony and Microsoft drop their online fees if a significant portion of them boycotted the service. But they aren't, so they won't drop it. Shame Playstation gamers got CARROTED in last gen with those "FREE" games.

@StrongBlackVine said:

@lostrib said:

@sts106mat said:

@StrongBlackVine thats because you are a blind biased fanboy

@mems_1224 said:

lol, the 1080p oopsie

So exclusive or timed exclusive content and a mistake regarding performance that was corrected soon after it was made. Weak.

Not as weak as your damage control. lol

Well how else is Phil going to spin the X1 is loosing true exclusives as fat as developers can make them? He's on the ropes and its no wonder PS4 has almost double the sales.

With over 900+ games and the most powerful system ever created the PS4 can't be stopped.

No we don't. We talk about settings in games that beat those in their console counterparts.

Indeed and with MS basically copying current gen 8 console leader PS4 at every turn, the original vision of the X1 has been lost, Thank god the shit canned Kinect though, that is a peice of hot garbage.

Clearly MS doesn't care about the X1 anymore, so why should we.

Phil Spencer is right. What fanboys don't understand is that not everyone can afford to pay money for a top end or descent gaming PC. There's is no harm in putting Xbox One games on the PC. Rather it's a benefit as Xbox One users will later be able to play those games at say 1440P or 4K in the future if they do decide to go get a PC in the future as Microsoft is giving away a free copy of the PC version of the game if you buy the Xbox One version with games like Quantum Break. In that way they don't have to double dip on buying games if they want to play certain Xbox One games on the PC.

Meanwhile so many salty Xbox One fanboys crying about Quantum Break coming to the PC and possibly Gears 4 ( I am still hoping that they bring Gears 2 and 3 to the PC, played Gears 1 on the PC and looking to complete the series).

CrapGamer actually cancelled his pre-order of Quantum Break after it was announced that it is going to come to the PC. Facepalm.

If you brought Xbox One for a particular game then you might be an idiot especially if you brought it for QB. Anybody who has been a gamer knows that Remedy started off on the PC and have PC roots. Their first game Death Rally was on the PC followed by Max Payne 1 and 2 and Alan Wake all came to the PC, so sooner or later it was going to come to the PC. This is not rocket science. You shouldn't buy a console just so you can play a couple of exclusive games. I would like to play Gear of War 2 and 3 because I bought and played Gears of War 1 on the PC but I am not going to go out and buy a Xbox 360 just to play those games. That would be just stupid.

Besides Xbox One owners still have great titles that they can play on the Xbox One like Forza Motorsport 5/6, Halo 5 and many more. I don't see why they are whining.

@spitfire-six are you done spitting nonsense? My rig is as good as I want it to be, and it's more powerful than the current-gen consoles.

The Xbox identity was:

1. PC-based hardware with ease of development a high priority

2. The best functioning, most fully-featured online service on consoles

3. Best versions of multiplats

4. Halo, Gears, Forza

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Now Playstation offers slightly better ease of development, equal online service, and best versions of multiplats. Bungie is gone and 343's MCC and H5 didn't exactly go over well. There is no new Gears. Rare is smoking crack in an alley behind Xbox HQ. Kinect in the cemetery. That leaves Forza.

Everything that Xbox excelled at and had going for it as far as marketing identity has been reduced to Forza.

You're using financial logic. It won't work in a forum that believes the industry is supposed to run as it did in the 16 bit era

Yeah because your average laptop or desktop sold at Best Buy is going to run these games.

Xbox One owners are now 3rd class citizens. PC gamers get the better versions of these "Windows exclusives" and don't have to pay for the Xbox Live service. Only thing left is to see if games on Windows 10 Store will priced competitively to compete with competition like Steam.

ROFL I knew this game would go to PC, but MS is screwing over none Windows 10 users and most people are ignoring that fact. Either make the game fully PC compatible along with a Steam version or don't do it at all. Really the only ones who benefit from this is MS and Windows 10 users while XboxOne gamers lose one of the games that they had on their list wars and none Windows 10 users gain nothing. All of the hypocrisy in here is disgusting. Suddenly exclusives don't matter or it's great that more pople get to play the game when many Xbox fans said this game and other (former) exclusives were the reason they bought an XboxOne and why it was the better console lol. Now they are doing damage control. What does the Xbox have to offer without exclusive games? All consoles separate themselves by their games and that is how it has always been. Yes you can still play it on XboxOne, but many thought that this game was one of the reasons to buy an X1 as it was promised exclusive and once again MS has lied while leading their naive fanbase down a dead end lol. It's reasons like this why I never owned an Xbox and never will. Nothing against anyway who likes Xbox but stop defending the MS BS and 180 turns when people rightfully criticize.

They have no reason too and this is business. Unlike MS both Sony and Nintendo actually make money from their consoles and it would take business away from them to put their games on PC. If I could get all of Sony's games or Nintendo's games on PC then I would not ever buy a console because it would save me money. besides Sony's games are better designed than most PC games and Naughty Dog makes better looking games than anything on PC despite the settings, as does other developers. batman ran best on PS4 with the PC version being crap so games on PC are not always superior. The whole point of exclusives is to sell consoles. LOL@ can not run games properly when The Order is he best designed/running game on the market until Uncharted 4. Higher specs does not = running properly if there is screen tear and frame-rate drops or other glitches like batman.

You don't have too. You can play the games at lower setting you know as that is what you are doing with the X1 anyway when none of the games are even 1080p. Also PC is not Ms' platform so people saying it's the same eco system need to cut the crap.

I dunno. He He. I feel like I willingly dance like a puppet with MS using DirectX/D3D and Windows as the strings to manipulate me. ;-) At this stage, I've long since quit being a rebel. I just want to play my PC games.

I mean, the righteous alternatives are there (OSX and Linux). How many here actually took that route?

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I played the part of the rebel when I switched to the Commodore Amiga long ago. That got me nowhere. Fellow Amiga owners pirated the crap out of all Amiga software, forcing Amiga developers to go elsewhere. It's why I have an intense dislike of pirates.

I still have vestiges of being a rebel by using AMD CPUs. That too is getting me nowhere. The FX-8350 will be my last AMD CPU, at least in the short term.

So what are you complaining about exactly? Why would developing solely for PS4 be a bad thing? Nobody bought a Vita and the PS3 is old hardware. I bet you are one of those people who complained about wanting more games on PS4 and now that they are coming you are complaining about them supporting the PS4 too much lol you people really are ridiculous. MS also took Ryse from the 360 and stopped supporting the 360 with bi exclusives in its last fays other than Halo.

@blufalconultra: Here is the thing. I do use my PC to games, but playing around with setting and other things just isn't what I feel like doing. Yes I am lazy, but I do have the know how to get any and all game to work on my current PC if I really felt like playing them on my PC. PC who game on the PC now-a-days are the more pure gamers in the fact they will play anything and everything.

You can say that if you don't game on PC this won't affect the Xb1's appeal to that person, but people are acting like this doesn't hurt the Xb1 at all. It absolutely does lower its appeal, where it already was the inferior multiplat box and remnants of always online still with the console, taking away features 360 had. It is literally a Halo/Gears/Forza box now, and none of them are what they used to be at that.

But sure this is a good move for MS financially, it's not like people are going to stop buying the console.

@putaspongeon:Because I see MS supporting multiple platforms now.

And Sony used to support multiple platforms, which I liked, but they don't anymore.

No wonder PS4 has more upcoming exclusives...

I've also seen TLG as an upcoming exclusive for 5 years now. LOL

This is the typical SW turn around. When some were saying building a bargain PC wasn't the point of PC gaming in ps4 vs PC threads, that's what they said was said to be logic. Why pay more for a cheap build PC? That's not how PC gaming is done.

Oh but its all good now though? More SW is all this is. I'm not mad at MS for this. I'll own 2 for 1. I am in no competition with any of you, don't need to justify what I buy, like, use, eat, screw to any of you. Lol

1. PC gaming online is free and you can use a controller with pc though you won't fair well against KB/M users. Xbox games are going to pc so why choose the inferior platform unless you don't own a pc.

2. You can buy KB/M that can sit on your lap and are wireless so the whole sit back and relax excuse is useless.

3. Do you even understand what a casual gamer is, someone who doesn't have much time to dedicate to playing games or are on/off gamer. So because ps4 gamers prefer a variety of game genres instead of sports and shooters they're not competitive? how do you know every ps4 gamers personality. I'm quite competitive in Rocket league, Fifa and others. Here's a tip don't paint an entire community of individual players with a broad brush you only look a fool.

4. The only thing I agree on console and pc gaming are not the same. An open platform vs a closed platform the differences speak for themselves. If like myself you're in the market for another gaming platform what does an X1 offer that is better than building a modest pc. With pc I get all the advantages that come with the platform, being able to play pc games and x1 games and I can upgrade it. The only other option is wait for Nintendo's NX. X1 games going to pc favours pc gamers what do x1 fans get out of this I haven't seen any advantages for x1 gamers unless MS making money from pc gamers is an advantage.

@nyadc: How are pc gamers a minority when pc games continually outsell any given console platform?

I think you have it backwards, and it is damaging the brand.

A $600-800 desktop will easily run them. And its cheaper in the long run because you don't have to play for xbl and you can use a PC for anything. People acting like there is some massive price gap between PC and consoles are uninformed. Buy parts as they go on sale and build it yourself and its pretty damn cheap tbh.

doesnt a gtx 970 still cost ~350 ? how are you logically going to build a non shit pc for $600 bucks? Again what point is there to building a PC that cant play max settings? I understand if you have a build and you dont feel like upgrading so you play games at lower levels that makes sense, but to build a computer just to play lower settings? thats just stupid.

There are other reasons for gaming on a PC.

1. For one thing, I don't have to put up with a controller for FPS games like I would be if I was stuck on a console.

2. Even if a game isn't maxed out, the flexibility of resolution and detail options means I can play the game at better framerates and at detail settings that suits me. When a console game dips below 30 fps, that's it. You simply have to put up with it. Not so on the PC.

And NO PC gamer with a brain is looking to build a $700 "rig". But every PC built sure isn't getting Windows 10 for free, and you can't play any of these games on an older version. MS is going to get paid buddy, either way.

You don't own an Xbox, don't like them. Its cool, just be at peace with that. Why do you care about Xbox or the games coming to it but not PS? Why does this matter so much to you?

@jun_aka_pekto: because playing with no shadows, no aa and low map textures is a much better experience than consoles? Give me a break. If you are building a PC just to compare it to a console you are doing it wrong. There is no reason. I built my first pc to play Arma 2 at minimum settings then I realized how stupid that was and now I dont build to play at minimum its a waste of time and money.

So the "Please Understand" for MS?

Hahaha lets not kid ourselves, I could agree with a lot of what you said, but the PS4's online is hot garbage and in the year 2016 their games are still using P2P servers, and the worst part is? Sony charges for this shit now, and PS4 gamers are stupid enough to pay for it.

Who says there won't be shadows, lack of AA, and lo-rs textures? Just buy a lower-price video card that can still do the job. Not all PC gamers care about maxing out a game. A lot of people game happily on laptops that have the power of video cards from 6 years ago or even lesser.

I have ARMA2 (and later OA). I played it with an HD 5770 back when I had a 1440x900 monitor. Then, I followed it up later with a GTX 560 Ti when I moved to 1080p, and my current GTX 770. The game always had shadows, some AA regardless of card. The draw distance might've been turned down. It didn't matter because nearby trees and hills obscured the horizon from view. In any case, ARMA 2 is also heavily dependent on CPU power.

@jun_aka_pekto: yes and how much do those gaming laptops cost? If you dont care about maxing out settings on a PC game, thats fine thats on you, but most of those people are already playing on gaming pc's. It also was an example, you personally making the trade offs to see how well you can get the game to run is fun for some people, but that is also not much different then the developers doing the trade offs for you and you playing it on the console. There are two distinct lines of thinking here that are shit, people play this "i dont need to buy X" i could just build a gaming Pc and play the game at max " and "I dont need to spend more than $500 to build a good gaming pc". You cannot have it both ways, you will not build a good gaming pc and truly experience games at their best if you build the PC to compete with a console price. Good luck playing Quantum break on a Pc with ROTTR minimum specs.

I loved his response to the low life who said he is canceling his pre order because the game is coming out on PC too. I think he said something like, so you are canceling your preorder because the game will be available to more people

At what point does a person ask the question, has my life gotten this low? Who cares if PC players get the game too? Yes, I am calling that person a low life and anyone else who says that.

If anything you should be delighted, more sales means, more net profit, which tend to mean sequels.

I got my 970 for $290 and there have been better deals since. If you buy every part without looking around for deals then it will be pricey. You won't be able to build one to run max settings for $600 but 800 is definitely possible. But for $600 you can definitely build one that performs better than X1.

This a million times. I discovered most Xbox gamers are pretty much braindead when they agreed to pay MS for the privilege of using their own internet connection which they already fucking pay for.

That said... Spencer is a know-nothing halfwit who hasn't the faintest clue about PC gaming or what PC's are capable of. Yes we all need high end PC's to play games that run on current gen consoles which are inferior to PC's that came out 10 years ago seriously you couldn't make this shit up he may as well wear a teeshirt saying 'I am a fucking moron who knows nothing about anything but GO WINDOWS 10!

Hopefully he won't wear a cheerleaders skirt or Nyadc will get all worked up and won't be in any fit state to post his painfully inane Xbox fanboy comments.

The only losers in all of this are PC gamers who bought an Xbox for exclusives only to discover MS have completely written it off as a game platform and you can now play far superior versions of all its 'exclusives' on PC. PS4 owners don't give a shit either way. PC gamers who never bought an Xbox will think cool I get all the exclusives from shitbox one except they'll look and play much better. Xbox One owners who don't have a PC will just carry on playing crap versions of whatever multiplats come along. Spencer will continue to spout absolute drivel at every opportunity and talk about ecosystems and unified platforms hoping that nobody asks him what the hell does that shit mean?

And that's all great for you. But when it was in threads that I can get a stable gaming experience, will never have to use Google to find work arounds to make a game work and such in threads comparing bargain PC's and PS4 you weren't saying much. I can pull up and post them. But in this case, its better to buy the bargain gaming PC that couldn't even be called a "rig" in reality, because its Xbox huh?

Since the beginning of the gen PC gamers have been claiming you can build a PC for $600 that out performs the PS4. You were all crickets then.