Piracy isn't killing PC gaming. This however is.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2010/02/17/you-maniacs/#more-25624


So Assassins Creed 2 and Settlers 7 on PC is going to have the most awful DRM yet and will require you to be connected to the internet all the time when you play the game. Loose the connection and the game will shut down.

Why are publishers constantly punishing legit costumers?

Frankly I was planing on buying the steam version until now. I guess I'll pick up the PS3 (worst version) instead. I won't pick Settlers 7 at all even though I'm a huge fan of the franchise.


I apologise in advance if this has been posted before.

I really hate the DRM but I like playing games on the PC so I'm pretty stuck. x.x

There has always been piracy, only now for some reason it is really important to stop it with crazy DRM.

Why are publishers constantly punishing legit costumers?

JLF1

In order to avoid having non-legit customers ... :)

isnt that statement a little contradictory? as i am aware with many steam games you have to be connected to the internet to play them if im not mistaken.

Also in a fact i find it ironic you complain that its killing PC gaming but you yourself by not purchasing the game are inevitably killing it aswell..Isnt it ironic dont you think?

All that's gonna do is encourage people to pirate the game

There has always been piracy, only now for some reason it is really important to stop it with crazy DRM.

Wasdie

All that's gonna do is encourage people to pirate the game

adv_tr00per

isnt that statement a little contradictory? as i am aware with many steam games you have to be connected to the internet to play them if im not mistaken.

Also in a fact i find it ironic you complain that its killing PC gaming but you yourself by not purchasing the game are inevitably killing it aswell..Isnt it ironic dont you think?

razgriz_101

Also in a fact i find it ironic you complain that its killing PC gaming but you yourself by not purchasing the game are inevitably killing it aswell..Isnt it ironic dont you think?

razgriz_101

What kind of logic is that? It's a complete nonsense, it's not "ironic".

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Why are publishers constantly punishing legit costumers?

KiZZo1

In order to avoid having non-legit customers ... :)

It doesn't help at all. Non-legit customers will download an illegal cracked (and ironically better) version as always, and legit customers will have to suffer through these idiotic moves, making it more likely that they won't buy the game at all.

Some games refuse to run offline on Steam. I tried to run HL2 on my TV and it wouldn't run ...

Some games refuse to run offline on Steam. I tried to run HL2 on my TV and it wouldn't run ...

KiZZo1

isnt that statement a little contradictory? as i am aware with many steam games you have to be connected to the internet to play them if im not mistaken.

Also in a fact i find it ironic you complain that its killing PC gaming but you yourself by not purchasing the game are inevitably killing it aswell..Isnt it ironic dont you think?

razgriz_101

Yes, steam basically is DRM but this is vastly different.

I am buying PC games, I just don't buy PC games that won't give me any guaranties that I will be able to play them in a couple of years. What if Ubisoft goes under in 5 years or worse they just close the servers that are needed to play their singleplayer games I might add.

It's not my fault that Ubisoft is basically pushing me away from their games. I as a costumer will only take so much until I say "screw it, I'm out!"

As with most things PC, I expect console gamers will stop bashing us for it when it also becomes their problem.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

isnt that statement a little contradictory? as i am aware with many steam games you have to be connected to the internet to play them if im not mistaken.

Also in a fact i find it ironic you complain that its killing PC gaming but you yourself by not purchasing the game are inevitably killing it aswell..Isnt it ironic dont you think?

JLF1

Yes, steam basically is DRM but this is vastly different.

I am buying PC games, I just don't buy PC games that won't give me any guaranties that I will be able to play them in a couple of years. What if Ubisoft goes under in 5 years or worse they just close the servers that are needed to play their singleplayer games I might add.

It's not my fault that Ubisoft is basically pushing me away from their games. I as a costumer will only take so much until I say "screw it, I'm out!"

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

Also in a fact i find it ironic you complain that its killing PC gaming but you yourself by not purchasing the game are inevitably killing it aswell..Isnt it ironic dont you think?

Mograine

What kind of logic is that? It's a complete nonsense, it's not "ironic".

how is the logic nonsense the game is the revenue stream for the product..if you dont buy it means less revenue.If a game doesnt sell well then theres less likely a chance there will be a sequel or a follow up on said platform.

Its the way things are people complain the PC's getting shafted but at the same time imo gamers sometimes need to wake up in a sense.

As with most things PC, I expect console gamers will stop bashing us for it when it also becomes their problem.

AnnoyedDragon

how is the logic nonsense the game is the revenue stream for the product..if you dont buy it means less revenue.If a game doesnt sell well then theres less likely a chance there will be a sequel or a follow up on said platform.

Its the way things are people complain the PC's getting shafted but at the same time imo gamers sometimes need to wake up in a sense.

razgriz_101

Here's the thing. I don't have a problem with DRM per se, I just have a problem with publishers basically treating me, the costumer, like a criminal.

It's not my fault that Ubisoft basically scares me away from their games.

Biggest difference between the two is that Socom needs activation (which I am sure is a one time thing) for online play. Assassin's Creed II needs online at all times and is single player. People with no internet are screwed out of playing the game at all. Of course, there aren't many people with no internet access, it is still a big concernjimmarko21876

I'm not comparing the two, note I was talking in terms of the future. What I am saying is consoles love to follow PC around; and to me this looks like a stepping stone.

After all Sony owns Securom, so it makes sense they would apply their own technologies to the console market over time.

I don't care.

Never had issues with DRM myself (touch wood)

I will never not buy a game based on DRM, seems silly to me.

[QUOTE="jimmarko21876"]Biggest difference between the two is that Socom needs activation (which I am sure is a one time thing) for online play. Assassin's Creed II needs online at all times and is single player. People with no internet are screwed out of playing the game at all. Of course, there aren't many people with no internet access, it is still a big concernAnnoyedDragon

I'm not comparing the two, note I was talking in terms of the future. What I am saying is consoles love to follow PC around; and to me this looks like a stepping stone.

After all Sony owns Securom, so it makes sense they would apply their own technologies to the console market over time.

As with most things PC, I expect console gamers will stop bashing us for it when it also becomes their problem.

AnnoyedDragon

tbh i dont bother about DRM's as long as they dont do a Sony BMG fiasco or do what Securom do.I really dont see how being connected to the internet is being made such a massive fuss of seriously.I mean most people who will buy ACII on PC will most likely be gamers who have internet granted the internet could cut out but in this day and age its a rare occurence for that to happen aswell.

Its not that im bashing or anything but i just dont get all this whining bout DRM then the whining about piracy and devs saying the PC isnt say as profitable as it used to be.

Its weird you can never find a happy medium with PC gamers i mean im in the same boat more on the system spec side though.I stil wish a game could run on a Pent 4 till about 3 months ago.

[QUOTE="jimmarko21876"]Biggest difference between the two is that Socom needs activation (which I am sure is a one time thing) for online play. Assassin's Creed II needs online at all times and is single player. People with no internet are screwed out of playing the game at all. Of course, there aren't many people with no internet access, it is still a big concernAnnoyedDragon

I'm not comparing the two, note I was talking in terms of the future. What I am saying is consoles love to follow PC around; and to me this looks like a stepping stone.

After all Sony owns Securom, so it makes sense they would apply their own technologies to the console market over time.

It's just a shame that he inevitable meeting with the console and PC platforms is looking like it's only going to contain the bad parts about them.

I agree, I just wish they would find a way to do this crap without harming the legit consumers. This problem will ONLY affect the legal purchasers of the game, since we all know it will be cracked in a week and the pirates don't have to deal with it. I shouldn't have to crack my legal copy to get the same experience as a pirate :)jimmarko21876

I see it as being similar to the rage this thread got, the only reason any of these measures are being considered in the first place is because developers are unable to control their own costs.

In the case of that thread they are seeking new ways to get money out of people because traditional methods cannot cover today's ridiculous development costs. In the case of piracy; it could be largely ignored in the past because games sold enough copies to cover their development costs and then some. But as development costs grew the sales they think they are losing as a result of piracy stand out more, so they react to it.

At the end of the day a lot of modern problems could be avoided simply by using lower budget development, but the industry is addicted to justifying the worth of platforms using blockbusters costing tens of millions to make.

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razgriz_101

I'd ignore developer complaints, their complaints don't reflect reality.

If developers didn't think making games on PC was worthwhile; PC wouldn't have a significant lead in exclusivity over consoles. They can complain, but if they aren't leaving PC then it mustn't be that big of a deal.

how is the logic nonsense the game is the revenue stream for the product..if you dont buy it means less revenue.If a game doesnt sell well then theres less likely a chance there will be a sequel or a follow up on said platform.

Its the way things are people complain the PC's getting shafted but at the same time imo gamers sometimes need to wake up in a sense.

razgriz_101

I'd rather have an empty sack than a sack filled up with crap.

If gamers woke up, none of them would buy the game as they realize they're getting screwed because of this like what happened with Epic's latest UT, not the other way around.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2010/02/17/you-maniacs/#more-25624


So Assassins Creed 2 and Settlers 7 on PC is going to have the most awful DRM yet and will require you to be connected to the internet all the time when you play the game. Loose the connection and the game will shut down.

Why are publishers constantly punishing legit costumers?

Frankly I was planing on buying the steam version until now. I guess I'll pick up the PS3 (worst version) instead. I won't pick Settlers 7 at all even though I'm a huge fan of the franchise.


I apologise in advance if this has been posted before.

JLF1

Which wouldnt exist without piracy, making piracy the problem.

I don't mind requiring internet connect that much seeing how I play on a desktop...its the DRM that limits installs that annoy me.

AC2 is a rubbish game anyway.

pirates will just crack it and legal owners will have to deal with the hassles. also with games that only allow limited downloads or online activation to install this means that legal owners will not be able to play these games again in a generation. while pirates will be able to. how messed up is that? Ontain

agreed... they're just driving away legit customers. I'd even argue that they lead legit customers to piracy.

Some games refuse to run offline on Steam. I tried to run HL2 on my TV and it wouldn't run ...

KiZZo1

My Half Life 2 install runs fine and Steam has been offline since November.

wow thats just beyond excessive. i think the worst part is that this new drm will get cracked too and it will be useless (as all other drm's have been) and again the consumer will get the shaft. btw, AC2 on ps3 is pretty fun, theres a bit of screen tearing but its not too bad aside from that.

Some games refuse to run offline on Steam. I tried to run HL2 on my TV and it wouldn't run ...

KiZZo1

I would agree if the game is heavily multiplayer or multiplayer only. However for a single player centric game like ACII, it's quite a stretch. Do they honestly think real pirates would be stopped by that? A simple patch would fix it within the first week of release for them.

I suggest Ubi to cancel this system after the game's released and forgotten, or make it a one time activation thing like Sony does with SOCOM.

[QUOTE="JLF1"]

Why are publishers constantly punishing legit costumers?

KiZZo1

In order to avoid having non-legit customers ... :)

i give it one week max before it is on the torrent sites with a crack. excessive drm like this just gives the pirates a challenge ferret-gamer

Going by current trends, the pirated copy + crack will be out on torrent sites a week BEFORE the game is released.

i give it one week max before it is on the torrent sites with a crack. excessive drm like this just gives the pirates a challenge ferret-gamer

[QUOTE="JLF1"]

Why are publishers constantly punishing legit costumers?

In order to avoid having non-legit customers ... :)

This crazy DRM thing that Ubisoft is doing is pretty much the worst decision ever since the announcement of no dedicated servers for MW2.

I hate to say it, but if this is how DRM is going to be like, then PC gaming isn't going to look pretty in the future. I know that developers won't go with the same DRM plan, but I just hope they don't do it as crazy as Ubisoft is doing it.