Piracy isn't killing PC gaming. This however is.

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#101 TheSterls
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http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2010/02/17/you-maniacs/#more-25624


So Assassins Creed 2 and Settlers 7 on PC is going to have the most awful DRM yet and will require you to be connected to the internet all the time when you play the game. Loose the connection and the game will shut down.

Why are publishers constantly punishing legit costumers?



Frankly I was planing on buying the steam version until now. I guess I'll pick up the PS3 (worst version) instead. I won't pick Settlers 7 at all even though I'm a huge fan of the franchise.


I apologise in advance if this has been posted before.

JLF1

given the hastle it will be to play on pc I will say the pc version will probably be the worst.

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#102 dc337
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If server-side processing is done right it can practically eliminate piracy. Basically make the game useless without a server to provide the missing parts of the game. Hopefully Ubisoft will do it right and not make it a waste of time for everyone.
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#103 LongZhiZi
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Well, beyond the fact that this won't stop piracy, the real problem is that this is not sustainable. EA is closing down servers for online play- what makes anyone think that Ubisoft won't close down these servers one day, rendering your game utterly useless? The $60 price tag put me off as it was (despite the included DLC, since it seems to be a ploy to raise PC game prices to $60), but this DRM really did them in. The least they can do now to save some face is to assure users that in 6 months or whatever a patch will be released to remove the required online portion, leaving a disc check or whatever.
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#104 lucky_star
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Like always, this will only hurt honest consumers.

The games will be cracked within a day for pirates, and will most likely work better than the retail version.

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#105 ihazfishsticks
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The only thing this does is push people that would have purchased the game legitimately closer to piracy. It's obvious that developers must want to kill PC gaming because they know what effect DRM has on a product. Go look at music. The RIAA tried to push DRM wrapped digital audio on us and it just made mp3's more popular. Either developers are trying to kill PC gaming or they will realize that their actions are only encouraging piracy. AC2 and Travelers 7 isn't a big deal, but what about those people just waiting to play Splinter Cell: Conviction on PC? Will that have the same DRM?
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#106 brumley53
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http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2010/02/17/you-maniacs/#more-25624


So Assassins Creed 2 and Settlers 7 on PC is going to have the most awful DRM yet and will require you to be connected to the internet all the time when you play the game. Loose the connection and the game will shut down.

Why are publishers constantly punishing legit costumers?



Frankly I was planing on buying the steam version until now. I guess I'll pick up the PS3 (worst version) instead. I won't pick Settlers 7 at all even though I'm a huge fan of the franchise.


I apologise in advance if this has been posted before.

JLF1

Pirates will get around it, and when that happens the pirated version will be the better version, GOOD ON YA UBISOFT!

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#107 badtaker
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please don't do this for Settlers 7. I buy RTS for PC because Consoles sucks for RTS
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#108 DethSkematik
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Yeah...bad idea. Especially since I don't always have an internet connection wherever I bring my laptop :?. Which is why Steam's offline mode is a godsend! Well, I guess it really sticks it to those damn pirates! Too bad I have to suffer for it as well (and I actually PAY for my games!) :(.
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#109 ThePlothole
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Well, I guess it really sticks it to those damn pirates! Too bad I have to suffer for it as well (and I actually PAY for my games!) DethSkematik

To paraphrase what I've said before, Nope! They'll get around it. It's only the consumers like yourself who will actually suffer.

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#110 AdrianWerner
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I hate it, but I will have to live with it. If it was only AC2 I could live with boycotting it, but Anno:Venice, Settlers 7 and Silent Hunter 5 are all must buys for me.

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#111 True_Gamer_
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Why I am hearing Nvidia/ATI crying in the corner?
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#112 AzatiS
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Ill ask something else...

Do they think pirates wont break this DRM and make copies of the game?

... What are they thinking?

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#113 anshul89
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Sucks for those that don't have a decent broadband connection :lol:

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#114 Darth_DuMas
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This bothers me about PC gaming now. It doesn't feel like I completely own the games. They are making it so damn clear to the consumers that they just have a licence to play it. And it feels like a temporary one at that.

Even steam, as much as I think its the future given the current way DRM is being thrown about and given how great it works against piracy; but despite all the games I own on it, it doesn't feel like I own them 100% because I need to have the steam client to run them.

Although to contradict myself, I like the way steam basically turns the PC into a console by eliminating most of the complications involved with installing and this and that, in other words it brings it closer to plug and play.

But that only works if publishers such as EA trust steam and stop being stupid like adding there own DRM on top of that.

For example as much as I enjoyed Crysis, i'm not sure I want to put it back because it somehow caused slow down in windows when logging in and in general I think, I say this because when I System Restored to before it was installed, everything was nice and fast again. But its own DRM was not needed because it was a steam game.

But ultimately because of various DRMs, I just don't feel like I own PC games completely any more. And I really only trust Steam versions of most PC games because they don't stuff the DRM deep into your system where it could potentially cause other issues.

But to say piracy isn't killing PC gaming, they go hand in hand. If piracy wasn't so rampant then they wouldn't need these convoluted DRMs to protect the games from copy theft.

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#115 amaneuvering
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http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2010/02/17/you-maniacs/#more-25624


So Assassins Creed 2 and Settlers 7 on PC is going to have the most awful DRM yet and will require you to be connected to the internet all the time when you play the game. Loose the connection and the game will shut down.

Why are publishers constantly punishing legit costumers?



Frankly I was planing on buying the steam version until now. I guess I'll pick up the PS3 (worst version) instead. I won't pick Settlers 7 at all even though I'm a huge fan of the franchise.


I apologise in advance if this has been posted before.

JLF1

If that's the case then it's retarded and I would never buy a game that enforced that.

Once I've spent my hard earned cash I just want to put my game in and play.

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#116 yoyo462001
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Ill ask something else...

Do they think pirates wont break this DRM and make copies of the game?

... What are they thinking?

AzatiS
exactly this, pirates will hack it out quickly.
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#117 hypoty
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[QUOTE="AzatiS"]

Ill ask something else...

Do they think pirates wont break this DRM and make copies of the game?

... What are they thinking?

yoyo462001

exactly this, pirates will hack it out quickly.

And if Ubisoft's servers go offline the legit buyer will be hurt while the pirate will be laughing. What is the incentive to actually spend money to buy the game with this DRM as opposed to pirating it for free and without the DRM? What managers need to realise is that DRM has to be hard to crack while at the same time be benefitial to the consumer or you will just drive people away.

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#118 WilliamRLBaker
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Maybe the reason they are doing that is because Piracy is rampent on PC? hmmm? If i made pc games id do the same thing if 99% of my users pirated the game which is seems happens on pc.

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#119 ThePlothole
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Maybe the reason they are doing that is because Piracy is rampent on PC? hmmm? If i made pc games id do the same thing if 99% of my users pirated the game which is seems happens on pc.

WilliamRLBaker

You would increasingly aggravate your customers in an clearly futile attempt to thwart piracy?

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#120 shakmaster13
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If server-side processing is done right it can practically eliminate piracy. Basically make the game useless without a server to provide the missing parts of the game. Hopefully Ubisoft will do it right and not make it a waste of time for everyone. dc337

Not really. They will just crack the game by making it not check online. This definitely is a waste of everyone's money. They could have made it a steam game, which I would have been fine with. But this is just crazy.

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#121 SapSacPrime
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There will be a cracked version circulating before these two are even out chances are :|.

PC gaming has gone right down hill though, in the UK the prices have even crept up to rival console game prices, and if I have to deal with DRM along with the usual hardware compatibility issues Im happier to stick with the 360 at the moment (as I did with ME2, £5 more for peace of mind).

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#122 AdjacentLives
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isnt that statement a little contradictory? as i am aware with many steam games you have to be connected to the internet to play them if im not mistaken.

Also in a fact i find it ironic you complain that its killing PC gaming but you yourself by not purchasing the game are inevitably killing it aswell..Isnt it ironic dont you think?

razgriz_101

It's all quite ironic. Ironic to the point that I'm starting to believe all these DRM haters are really pirates disguised as ninja's.

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#123 LongZhiZi
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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

isnt that statement a little contradictory? as i am aware with many steam games you have to be connected to the internet to play them if im not mistaken.

Also in a fact i find it ironic you complain that its killing PC gaming but you yourself by not purchasing the game are inevitably killing it aswell..Isnt it ironic dont you think?

AdjacentLives

It's all quite ironic. Ironic to the point that I'm starting to believe all these DRM haters are really pirates disguised as ninja's.

Not really. Pirates have nothing to fear. This only hurts legitimate customers. And no, only an online game needs to be online with Steam. The first time you run it, Steam has to be online for verification purposes. After you start it once, it can be played in offline mode.
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#124 -Feath-
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Hey cool, i'm a criminal! Thanks Ubisoft! This bleeds of being a massive circlejerk consisting of companies introducing ridiculous schemes such as this, then legitimate customers feeling dejected and pirating so they can enjoy the game as it is meant to be, all going round in a cycle. I hope this craze of archaic copy-protection (which actively takes away enjoyment from the product) ends soon.
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#125 Pixel-Pirate
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Maybe the reason they are doing that is because Piracy is rampent on PC? hmmm? If i made pc games id do the same thing if 99% of my users pirated the game which is seems happens on pc.

WilliamRLBaker

You obviously would make a terrible game developer. Don't quit your day job.