Piracy killing PC gaming? (Poll)

So good ol michael pachter, who is always right and never wrong, once again said piracy is killing PC gaming. http://www.gametrailers.com/video/kevin-butler-pach-attack/723512

seriously, this is just getting old, mindless sheep who keep believing this rubbish propaganda from console related companies.

Witcher 2 was a singleplayer only game and had no DRM and was aimed at high end PC's, sold over 1mil copies and if the CEO of Valve says piracy doesnt matter and everytime Blizzard get asked about it in a interview they just laugh all the way to the bank.

another thing that annoys me, its that people pretend that consoles and handhelds dont have piracy, can you pirate Skyrim and MW3 on PC? no, can you on Xbox 360? yes, people are really uneducated about this subject.

one more problem is digital sales being impossible to track, nuh my god PC games selling bad at retail? no way, no PC gamer buys digital, low sales must mean teh pirates.

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Did Halo really invent FPS?

Is that Yogg Saron in your avatar?

GD1551

yeah

Did Halo really invent FPS?

TecmoGirl

sure it did

Piracy on PC does weaken the platform a bit however the problem is highly exaggerated.

Most of the piracy in the world is done in developing countries. In developing countries, PC's are much cheaper in comparison to consoles.

For example, in Thailand it would cost an average person 7 months of their entire income in order to afford a PlayStation 3, yes that is 7 months of every penny going towards the cost of the PS3. You think someone is going to give up that much of their income to even play just a few games? Not many.

In addition, a lot of publishers complain about pirates in the developing countries while NEVER even releasing the game in legit format in the region.

Of course there are pirates in the developed world as well, but those number are much much lower in general.

This is the reason why consoles tend to have "lower" pirate numbers in comparision. Because the majority of pirates can't afford the console hardware to begin with!

When I went to Colombia in 2007, an Xbox 360 cost around $1600 new. That is super high in comparison to an average US income number, imagaine that to a Colombian one.

Piracy on PC does weaken the platform a bit however the problem is highly exaggerated. Most of the piracy in the world is done in developing countries. In developing countries, PC's are much cheaper in comparison to consoles. For example, in Thailand it would cost an average person 7 months of their entire income in order to afford a PlayStation 3, yes that is 7 months of every penny going towards the cost of the PS3. In addition, a lot of publishers complain about pirates in the developing countries while NEVER even releasing the game in legit format in the region. Of course there are pirates in the developed world as well, but those number are much much lower in general.ShadowDeathX

yeah Gabe newell talked about how publishers said Russia was all pirates, because they never would release the game in Russia, the pirates did tho

once Steam started releasing games in Russia, sales were huge, im pretty sure Russia is Steam's 3rd biggest costumer

I have a feeling a lot of console gamers will come in here and say yes

Can you pirate Skyrim and MW3 on PC? no, can you on Xbox 360? yes. People are really uneducated about this subject.HaloinventedFPS

Something tells me I'm not really qualified to answer such a question :Psoulitane

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]Can you pirate Skyrim and MW3 on PC? no, can you on Xbox 360? yes. People are really uneducated about this subject.gamebreakerz__

They must really love that single player :P

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]Can you pirate Skyrim and MW3 on PC? no, can you on Xbox 360? yes. People are really uneducated about this subject.gamebreakerz__

yeah people pirating BF3 for single player only, sure, torrent numbers dont mean anything

this is such a load, like 4 million copies of BC2 and Black ops pirated on PC, when they cant get on multiplayer, so they can enjoy their 5 hour single player

Did Halo really invent FPS?

TecmoGirl

[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"][QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]Can you pirate Skyrim and MW3 on PC? no, can you on Xbox 360? yes. People are really uneducated about this subject.HaloinventedFPS

yeah people pirating BF3 for single player only, sure, torrent numbers dont mean anything

this is such a load, like 4 million copies of BC2 and Black ops pirated on PC, when they cant get on multiplayer, so they can enjoy their 5 hour single player

[QUOTE="soulitane"]Something tells me I'm not really qualified to answer such a question :Pgamebreakerz__

More games are coming to and/or coming back to PC than the beginning of this gen... for that PC gaming is not dying. Developers and Publishers are just getting over the hype of piracy concerns and learning that even with piracy, there's still money to be mad on the platform. And that's what matters.

Michael Pachter is just doing what he does best, getting people to talk about him. He even mentioned it in one of his videos, it doesn't matter if he's wrong. The more popular he becomes the more business he gets. He's made a brand of himself as a analyst saying controversial things and we gamers continually get sucked into it, so who's really the winner here?

i would say no. its hard to say that something is killing something else perse when you dont know exactly how that "something" is doing. in this case like previously stated, PC gamers 75% < of the time buy games digitaly. PC released games usually do pretty well, in addition to the multiplat games that sometimes make waves. seriously mr. patcher has been spouting trash for far too long now...

Of course it is. Michael Pachter said so. And you never question the Pac-Man.

Never trust something that bleeds for 30 years are doesnt die.

In other words, nothing can kill the PC platform :)

I'm going to refrain from the grossly erroneous notion of what ever it is that is "killing PC gaming". But what I do think that is most detrimental to that platform isn't so much the piracy, but rather the developer/publisher counter measures.

While I understand their need to protect their interests and their rights to see a profit from their product, every effort has never actually deterred the pirates, and in fact has just the opposite effect of penalizing the honest players out there. The ones who were actually paying for their game have an obstacle course to navigate through to get their legitmate copy to run. Meanwhile not only were the pirates in no way blocked off, with the DRM bypassed they even had an unhindered installation and are getting right into the game with no delay.

From stardock to that required online connection even for sp games, it seems like the honest players have the hardest time of it while the pirates are laughing in the face of the developers.

Now from this I am in no way advocating piracy to "fight back against DRM". Nothing like that at all. But what ever the devs and publishers are doing to protect their interests (which is well within their rights) must never come at the cost of the honest gamers entitlement to what they payed for, and certainly not at their inconvenience.

[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"][QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]Can you pirate Skyrim and MW3 on PC? no, can you on Xbox 360? yes. People are really uneducated about this subject.NoodleFighter

They must really love that single player :P

Hermits will never say there is any negatives to PC gaming.

Hermits will never say there is any negatives to PC gaming.

Bigboi500

Wait, are we not posting on SW anymore? Because everyone defends themselves here.

I just said people who think the problem on consoles is just as bad are wrong.gamebreakerz__

DRM is killing PC gaming, DRM = more pirates, its how it is. If a game has too much DRM, more people will pirate it.

DRM is killing PC gaming, DRM = more pirates, its how it is. If a game has too much DRM, more people will pirate it.

theshadowhunter

Nope, but drm sure is. Big name devs/publishers need to take notes from CD: Projekt. They released the Witcher 2 drm free and the game still sold very well. If you make a good game then people will buy it, the pirates are going to pirate the game either way.Moriarity_

it was singleplayer only aswell, thats the best part, since people say PC gamers only buy multiplayer games

Piracy is not "killing" the platform but it sure doesn't help the platform. Unless you enjoy DRM or something...

DRM is killing PC gaming, DRM = more pirates, its how it is. If a game has too much DRM, more people will pirate it.

theshadowhunter

[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"]I just said people who think the problem on consoles is just as bad are wrong.foxhound_fox

No, crappy console ports are killling PC. Even one of the biggest PC titles of the year, BF3, is partially a console port.

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]Piracy on PC does weaken the platform a bit however the problem is highly exaggerated. Most of the piracy in the world is done in developing countries. In developing countries, PC's are much cheaper in comparison to consoles. For example, in Thailand it would cost an average person 7 months of their entire income in order to afford a PlayStation 3, yes that is 7 months of every penny going towards the cost of the PS3. In addition, a lot of publishers complain about pirates in the developing countries while NEVER even releasing the game in legit format in the region. Of course there are pirates in the developed world as well, but those number are much much lower in general.HaloinventedFPS

yeah Gabe newell talked about how publishers said Russia was all pirates, because they never would release the game in Russia, the pirates did tho

once Steam started releasing games in Russia, sales were huge, im pretty sure Russia is Steam's 3rd biggest costumer

I'm going to refrain from the grossly erroneous notion of what ever it is that is "killing PC gaming". But what I do think that is most detrimental to that platform isn't so much the piracy, but rather the developer/publisher counter measures.

While I understand their need to protect their interests and their rights to see a profit from their product, every effort has never actually deterred the pirates, and in fact has just the opposite effect of penalizing the honest players out there. The ones who were actually paying for their game have an obstacle course to navigate through to get their legitmate copy to run. Meanwhile not only were the pirates in no way blocked off, with the DRM bypassed they even had an unhindered installation and are getting right into the game with no delay.

From stardock to that required online connection even for sp games, it seems like the honest players have the hardest time of it while the pirates are laughing in the face of the developers.

Now from this I am in no way advocating piracy to "fight back against DRM". Nothing like that at all. But what ever the devs and publishers are doing to protect their interests (which is well within their rights) must never come at the cost of the honest gamers entitlement to what they payed for, and certainly not at their inconvenience.