Piracy killing PC gaming? (Poll)

Piracy hurts all forms of gaming, but I don't think it's killing any.

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[QUOTE="-Unreal-"] Pets from WoW aren't DLC, they are completely optional trinkets (not actualy equippable trinkets) that do absolutely nothing other than an asthetic effect. The money also goes to charity. I don't think there's anything in WoW that's sold as DLC or is equippable/useable to gain any advantage or use in combat. Everything is for asthetics and charity afaik.HaloinventedFPS

Origin is spyware, Steam isnt

spyware is everywhere... who the hell cares.PC360Wii

[QUOTE="sethman410"]wow how can you say no? if piracy didnt exist, then such games would still be exclusive to PC (like battlefield 3) and there would be no "dumbed down ports" the results are shocking, i thought people on system wars know better.NoodleFighter

DICE could of easily kept Battlefield 3 as a PC exclusive (which it was intended to be in the first place when they first started developing it) since all the battlefield titles on PC have done well. It was EA which owns DICE decided to make them go multiplat with the game as an attempt to cash in on the CoD sales. Plus games like Battlefield aren't affected by piracy.

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well Gabe Newell said piracy doesnt matter

ill take his word over anyone else in the industry, any sane person would aswell, but go ahead and trust greedy corps like microsoft, Activision and take two (rockstar) over Valves

PC360Wii

And valve isnt greedy either? all compannies are greedy they aint charities.

Everyone has diffrent views on the matters at hand and approaches to said matter.

Wait wait wait!!! Valve is greedy? Sure companies need to make money but I don't see them selling crap tons of rip-off DLC just for extra money.

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[QUOTE="sethman410"]wow how can you say no? if piracy didnt exist, then such games would still be exclusive to PC (like battlefield 3) and there would be no "dumbed down ports" the results are shocking, i thought people on system wars know better.sethman410

DICE could of easily kept Battlefield 3 as a PC exclusive (which it was intended to be in the first place when they first started developing it) since all the battlefield titles on PC have done well. It was EA which owns DICE decided to make them go multiplat with the game as an attempt to cash in on the CoD sales. Plus games like Battlefield aren't affected by piracy.

The point of the Battlefield franchise is the multiplayer most PC gamers wouldn't give a #$$@ about the single player. If they pirated BF3 all they would of gotten is 1/5th of the game's value. The only did it for more sales not to combat piracy.

Rampant piracy on PCs certainly hurts PC gaming. No arguing that. Is it 'killing' PC gaming...no.KC_Hokie

Releasing console titles, and hoping they'll sell well to the PC audience is what hurts PC gaming.

Only games built as PC games are successful on the PC, and this applies to console games too. If a console game is ported properly, and works as a PC game then it too will be successful.

The console ports a lot of devs put out like GTAIV? Yah, that's not going to ever in a million years be a runaway success on the PC, and it has absolutely zero to do with piracy. It's not a game built for PC gamers, so of course they aren't going to buy 20 million copies of it.

Stalker, Minecraft, Witcher, Battlefield, Half-Life, Starcraft, Dawn of War, etc? Yah, they'll sell millions.

Looking at this whole pirating issue, it makes more sense now with what Blizzard is doing with Diablo 3. In having to have an online connection to be able to play, but then again it just gives us consumers more hurdles to jump just to play a game.

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"]spyware is everywhere... who the hell cares.skrat_01

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Rampant piracy on PCs certainly hurts PC gaming. No arguing that. Is it 'killing' PC gaming...no.SW__Troll

Releasing console titles, and hoping they'll sell well to the PC audience is what hurts PC gaming.

Only games built as PC games are successful on the PC, and this applies to console games too. If a console game is ported properly, and works as a PC game then it too will be successful.

The console ports a lot of devs put out like GTAIV? Yah, that's not going to ever in a million years be a runaway success on the PC, and it has absolutely zero to do with piracy. It's not a game built for PC gamers, so of course they aren't going to buy 20 million copies of it.

Stalker, Minecraft, Witcher, Battlefield, Half-Life, Starcraft, Dawn of War, etc? Yah, they'll sell millions.

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And valve isnt greedy either? all compannies are greedy they aint charities.

Everyone has diffrent views on the matters at hand and approaches to said matter.

NoodleFighter

Wait wait wait!!! Valve is greedy? Sure companies need to make money but I don't see them selling crap tons of rip-off DLC just for extra money.

Looking at this whole pirating issue, it makes more sense now with what Blizzard is doing with Diablo 3. In having to have an online connection to be able to play, but then again it just gives us consumers more hurdles to jump just to play a game.

Deevoshun

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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Rampant piracy on PCs certainly hurts PC gaming. No arguing that. Is it 'killing' PC gaming...no.KC_Hokie

Releasing console titles, and hoping they'll sell well to the PC audience is what hurts PC gaming.

Only games built as PC games are successful on the PC, and this applies to console games too. If a console game is ported properly, and works as a PC game then it too will be successful.

The console ports a lot of devs put out like GTAIV? Yah, that's not going to ever in a million years be a runaway success on the PC, and it has absolutely zero to do with piracy. It's not a game built for PC gamers, so of course they aren't going to buy 20 million copies of it.

Stalker, Minecraft, Witcher, Battlefield, Half-Life, Starcraft, Dawn of War, etc? Yah, they'll sell millions.

Where did I blame consoles for PC piracy exactly?

My only argument was that PC games are what sell on the PC; not console games.

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[QUOTE="PC360Wii"] I agree with this, many other PC gamers worship the ground Blizzard and Valve walk on despite both of them only being nice about piracy because they make pretty much online online games with decent SP's thrown on, Blizzard make an insane ammount from WoW to not even notice piracy. VALVE earn a giant chunk of revanue from PC Game sales and thier own games... both companies have greedy pay for DLC like pets, hats ect. I absolutely despise Blizz/VALVE fanboys.... they are some of the greediest companies out there now. PC360Wii

Wait wait wait!!! Valve is greedy? Sure companies need to make money but I don't see them selling crap tons of rip-off DLC just for extra money.

what exactly makes them greedy with those? Isn't portal 2 DLC free and Tf2 just a bunch of hats and crates

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="SW__Troll"]

Releasing console titles, and hoping they'll sell well to the PC audience is what hurts PC gaming.

Only games built as PC games are successful on the PC, and this applies to console games too. If a console game is ported properly, and works as a PC game then it too will be successful.

The console ports a lot of devs put out like GTAIV? Yah, that's not going to ever in a million years be a runaway success on the PC, and it has absolutely zero to do with piracy. It's not a game built for PC gamers, so of course they aren't going to buy 20 million copies of it.

Stalker, Minecraft, Witcher, Battlefield, Half-Life, Starcraft, Dawn of War, etc? Yah, they'll sell millions.

SW__Troll

Where did I blame consoles for PC piracy exactly?

My only argument was that PC games are what sell on the PC; not console games.

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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Blaming consoles for rampant PC pirating is pretty lame. But whatever floats your boat. KC_Hokie

Where did I blame consoles for PC piracy exactly?

My only argument was that PC games are what sell on the PC; not console games.

Ooooook, and this thread is a discussion about why, or why not people consider piracy to be what's hurting the PC industry.

I stated that I don't think it's piracy that's causing it, but instead a matter of what games do appeal to the PC gamers, and what games don't, and provided examples.

I'm not sure where the confusion is coming from.

Lazy devs+ very high speed internet connections ( pirates) are killing pc gaming.Solid_Tango

I love your sig, everytime I see it here at work I want to blurt out and LOL. Hard to keep it in!

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[QUOTE="TecmoGirl"]

Did Halo really invent FPS?

sure it did

I need you to watch this video (and all his other videos while you're at it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aipGP5oAuWQ

In other words, NO, Halo did NOT invent FPS.

Just because my first fps was Wolfenstein 3D, doesn't mean that it invented the FPS genre.

Piracy on PC does weaken the platform a bit however the problem is highly exaggerated.

Most of the piracy in the world is done in developing countries. In developing countries, PC's are much cheaper in comparison to consoles.

For example, in Thailand it would cost an average person 7 months of their entire income in order to afford a PlayStation 3, yes that is 7 months of every penny going towards the cost of the PS3. You think someone is going to give up that much of their income to even play just a few games? Not many.

In addition, a lot of publishers complain about pirates in the developing countries while NEVER even releasing the game in legit format in the region.

Of course there are pirates in the developed world as well, but those number are much much lower in general.

This is the reason why consoles tend to have "lower" pirate numbers in comparision. Because the majority of pirates can't afford the console hardware to begin with!

When I went to Colombia in 2007, an Xbox 360 cost around $1600 new. That is super high in comparison to an average US income number, imagaine that to a Colombian one.

ShadowDeathX

you are so wrong...believe me man, in those countries, if an xbox costs 1600 usd...a high end pc costs 5000 usd. so what you say is BS, piracy on xbox is way higher than piracy on PC

also xbox 360 are dirty cheap in colombia...sure the console is expensive in its first years (but a pc costs 1000000000 times more) but then it just goes down drastically

[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]I don't know, but I wonder-why is there DRM if piracy is not a threat? If it's not an issue, then what's the reason for it? It's certainly not for our health. KungfuKitten

So DRM is simply the developer's way to scapegoat piracy in order to restrict and exploit the consumer to even a greater degree? Yea, maybe so, although that's travelling a bit into conspiracy theory territory IMO. But I can't see that out of the realm of possibility. But they have to KNOW DRM turns and pisses people off and potentially may turn them into pirates. Hell, I've been tempted to take "other" means. I mean, I'm being treated like a criminal after I pay anyway and abide by their restrictions, so what do I have to lose? Why NOT get it for free and have NO limitations? They're making it so there's never any incentive to buy and every one to pirate.

All in all though, I believe if we lived in an ideal world where piracy did not exist they would not have an excuse to implement such measures, so in that respect piracy is the problem. I don't think it's arguable that piracy IS an issue, irrespective of whether it's "killing" any platform.

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[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]I don't know, but I wonder-why is there DRM if piracy is not a threat? If it's not an issue, then what's the reason for it? It's certainly not for our health. MirkoS77

So DRM is simply the developer's way to scapegoat piracy in order to restrict and exploit the consumer to even a greater degree? Yea, maybe so, although that's travelling a bit into conspiracy theory territory IMO. But I can't see that out of the realm of possibility. But they have to KNOW DRM turns and pisses people off and potentially may turn them into pirates. Hell, I've been tempted to take "other" means. I mean, I'm being treated like a criminal after I pay anyway and abide by their restrictions, so what do I have to lose? Why NOT get it for free and have NO limitations? They're making it so there's never any incentive to buy and every one to pirate.

All in all though, I believe if we lived in an ideal world where piracy did not exist they would not have an excuse to implement such measures, so in that respect piracy is the problem. I don't think it's arguable that piracy IS an issue, irrespective of whether it's "killing" any platform.

I believe Ubisoft recently stated that their DRM measures on the PC have lowered piracy rates of their games, but that the sales of their games have also dropped DRAMATICALLY.

This video gives very good insight on what piracy actually means. It's not only about stealing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI

More games are coming to and/or coming back to PC than the beginning of this gen... for that PC gaming is not dying. Developers and Publishers are just getting over the hype of piracy concerns and learning that even with piracy, there's still money to be mad on the platform. And that's what matters.

Michael Pachter is just doing what he does best, getting people to talk about him. He even mentioned it in one of his videos, it doesn't matter if he's wrong. The more popular he becomes the more business he gets. He's made a brand of himself as a analyst saying controversial things and we gamers continually get sucked into it, so who's really the winner here?

Mystic-G

Outside of steam and other DD places, stores rarely sell PC games and if they do it doesn't even hold a candle to DD sales.

So no PC gaming is not making a "come back" as much as people like to say, why do you think PC only devs have come to the "dark side" as you might say it and publish games not only on PC's but consoles. Then theres the PC ports of multiplats that always get released after their console ports have been released?.

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More games are coming to and/or coming back to PC than the beginning of this gen... for that PC gaming is not dying. Developers and Publishers are just getting over the hype of piracy concerns and learning that even with piracy, there's still money to be mad on the platform. And that's what matters.

Michael Pachter is just doing what he does best, getting people to talk about him. He even mentioned it in one of his videos, it doesn't matter if he's wrong. The more popular he becomes the more business he gets. He's made a brand of himself as a analyst saying controversial things and we gamers continually get sucked into it, so who's really the winner here?

Ballroompirate

Outside of steam and other DD places, stores rarely sell PC games and if they do it doesn't even hold a candle to DD sales.

So no PC gaming is not making a "come back" as much as people like to say, why do you think PC only devs have come to the "dark side" as you might say it and publish games not only on PC's but consoles. Then theres the PC ports of multiplats that always get released after their console ports have been released?.

What do you mean PC gaming isn't making a "come back"?

Did you know Ubisoft, EA, THQ, 2k, Acti-Blizzard, Sony, MS, and other developers actually put out many exclusives on the PC? Far higher quantities than they give consoles (which is almost zilch excluding MS/Sony).

The PC is in a fine place for developers to be making money.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="PC360Wii"]spyware is everywhere... who the hell cares.PC360Wii

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Looking at this whole pirating issue, it makes more sense now with what Blizzard is doing with Diablo 3. In having to have an online connection to be able to play, but then again it just gives us consumers more hurdles to jump just to play a game.

KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Deevoshun"]

Looking at this whole pirating issue, it makes more sense now with what Blizzard is doing with Diablo 3. In having to have an online connection to be able to play, but then again it just gives us consumers more hurdles to jump just to play a game.

wis3boi

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Deevoshun"]

Looking at this whole pirating issue, it makes more sense now with what Blizzard is doing with Diablo 3. In having to have an online connection to be able to play, but then again it just gives us consumers more hurdles to jump just to play a game.

wis3boi

private servers bro

Wowscape in its prime has over 30k users

[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]WoW was one of the most pirated if not the most pirated game ever so I can understand why Blizzard did that. JohnF111

[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]WoW was one of the most pirated if not the most pirated game ever so I can understand why Blizzard did that. JohnF111

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More games are coming to and/or coming back to PC than the beginning of this gen... for that PC gaming is not dying. Developers and Publishers are just getting over the hype of piracy concerns and learning that even with piracy, there's still money to be mad on the platform. And that's what matters.

Michael Pachter is just doing what he does best, getting people to talk about him. He even mentioned it in one of his videos, it doesn't matter if he's wrong. The more popular he becomes the more business he gets. He's made a brand of himself as a analyst saying controversial things and we gamers continually get sucked into it, so who's really the winner here?

Ballroompirate

Outside of steam and other DD places, stores rarely sell PC games and if they do it doesn't even hold a candle to DD sales.

So no PC gaming is not making a "come back" as much as people like to say, why do you think PC only devs have come to the "dark side" as you might say it and publish games not only on PC's but consoles. Then theres the PC ports of multiplats that always get released after their console ports have been released?.

The Target 2 blocks from where I live the PC games section is just as big as the console section and has games up their like Crysis 2, Bad Company 2, The Witcher 2, Shogun 2 and others. Places like gamestop I could care less about them they're trying to get us to buy their games digital which is why their PC section was insultingly small and had all this like the THQ bundle which was about 99 games.

I don't know, but I wonder-why is there DRM if piracy is not a threat? If it's not an issue, then what's the reason for it? It's certainly not for our health. MirkoS77

[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]WoW was one of the most pirated if not the most pirated game ever so I can understand why Blizzard did that. HaloinventedFPS

private servers bro

Wowscape in its prime has over 30k users

There looks to be private servers for Diablo III already in the works. The only thing that the always online will do is to annoy customers and give the illusion of stopping the gold traders and item dupers.

Even when multi-plats get pirated on the 360, they sell much more than the PC version.

Piracy isn't "killing" PC gaming. PC gaming is "killing" PC gaming.

Not everyone has a PC capable of playing the latest games, and that's why software sales are low compared to consoles. At least when it comes to multi-plats.

Even when multi-plats get pirated on the 360, they sell much more than the PC version.

Piracy isn't "killing" PC gaming. PC gaming is "killing" PC gaming.

Not everyone has a PC capable of playing the latest games, and that's why software sales are low compared to consoles. At least when it comes to multi-plats.

Tikeio

And when it comes to multiplats what is the developers main focus platform in a lot of cases? The 360

And when it comes to advertising the games which platform is focused on? The 360

It really shouldn't come as a surprise when these games sell more on the 360. It's not the PCs fault. We all know pretty darn well the PC sells games seeing as how the most successful 3rd party developer in history (Blizzard) is a PC developer. Not only that, but the largest 3rd party developers in the world put out exclusives on the PC quite frequently, and yet on the consoles they put out almost none.

Comparing the sales of a game like MW3, which was almost entirely focused on the 360 platform, between both platforms is a flawed way of doing it.

It seems like half of the people in this board are convinced that they are superior to the big bosses behind most games.
The sad thing is, I believe that it is true. The gaming industry seems to be controlled by nitwits who have no feel for the game industry as they have no experience in it.

Overly blaming piracy, yet not taking decent measures to counter it.
Instead of rewarding people who bought the game with additinal content and extra's, they punish the people who buy the game. The worst thing yet, all these so called measures against piracy don't work, the crackers in the industry are superior to the coders of protective measures.

They are making exact the same mistake as the fight against music piracy, don't fight a battle you can't win, adopt and find the profit elsewhere. Annoying actual buyers with higher prices and frustrating software leads to nothing but the destruction of the franchise that you are trying to sell.

A little note,
Piracy isn't just done by unethical immoral thieves, piracy is done by dissatisfied costumers aswell!

rastotm

Lets see, the PC game section in stores are now under the floor boards, and most games are either Free To Play or MMO's. PC gaming died when high speed internet came out ( pirating games on a 56k was too much effort for most people )

Lets see, the PC game section in stores are now under the floor boards, and most games are either Free To Play or MMO's. PC gaming died when high speed internet came out ( pirating games on a 56k was too much effort for most people )

Vambran

Uhm the Target two blocks from my house has a PC games section just as big as the consoles.

Lets see, the PC game section in stores are now under the floor boards, and most games are either Free To Play or MMO's. PC gaming died when high speed internet came out ( pirating games on a 56k was too much effort for most people )

Vambran

You can't expect anything back if you don't put the effort into your post.