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[QUOTE="Loegi"]No proof, he doesn't even seem annoyed, and he even says it himself that the source he's claiming isn't accurate.WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="Loegi"]No proof, he doesn't even seem annoyed, and he even says it himself that the source he's claiming isn't accurate.clyde46

I'm curious as to how calling him a hillbilly strengthens your argument.lowe0

I'm curious as to why you continue to straddle a fence, that you clearly fall on one side of. His argument was actually much better, as it called into question the legitimacy of Baker's claim... Something you have been seen doing to numerous "Hermits".

I'm curious how piracy is even an issue in this forum.MBirdy88

The forum is to debate which system is "better", and piracy is a known detractor of all systems. To a larger extent for some, than others.

[QUOTE="lowe0"]I'm curious as to how calling him a hillbilly strengthens your argument.lundy86_4

I'm curious as to why you continue to straddle a fence, that you clearly fall on one side of. His argument was actually much better, as it called into question the legitimacy of Baker's claim... Something you have been seen doing to numerous "Hermits".

This again? I'm firmly on the consolite side of the fence, and I don't claim otherwise; nor to I claim to be unbiased (though I don't ignore people's posts just because they're fellow consolites).lowe0

Yes. This again. I've seen you continually try to straddle an imaginary fence over the years... You also attempt to focus on undermining false claims, to which, you ignored Baker's post.

Now, this is System Wars, where the ToU has been changed. Clyde questioned the legitimacy of Baker's claim, and yes, called him a hillbilly. Big deal.

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]I'm curious how piracy is even an issue in this forum.lundy86_4

The forum is to debate which system is "better", and piracy is a known detractor of all systems. To a larger extent for some, than others.

130k sales for 2 indie devs is soooo ownage right consolites? :roll: , probably didnt shove it on the consoles because your precious companies milk developers into the grounds.

Its a sad last resort to slander a platform, it has nothing to do with quality, its just an excuse for console trolls because they have nothing reallt tangible to fight back with. Case and point, the typical console trolls are in here trying to make this some sort of ownage.

130k sales for 2 indie devs is soooo ownage right consolites? :roll: , probably didnt shove it on the consoles because your precious companies milk developers into the grounds.

MBirdy88

Not really. It's a legitimate sticking point. Don't attempt to trivialize what it is.

Trolls gathering around a topic hardly proves your point. System Wars is largely full of trolls.

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This is a legitimate issue. However, that being said, there are some toolbag trolls who tend to gather around the PC topics.

[QUOTE="lowe0"]This again? I'm firmly on the consolite side of the fence, and I don't claim otherwise; nor to I claim to be unbiased (though I don't ignore people's posts just because they're fellow consolites).lundy86_4

Yes. This again. I've seen you continually try to straddle an imaginary fence over the years... You also attempt to focus on undermining false claims, to which, you ignored Baker's post.

Now, this is System Wars, where the ToU has been changed. Clyde questioned the legitimacy of Baker's claim, and yes, called him a hillbilly. Big deal.

Honestly? I didn't read Baker's post. Not saw it and looked the other way, flat-out skimmed right past it. I'm not sure how that makes it wrong to call Clyde out for an unnecessary personal attack, so perhaps you'd like to make a case for it?lowe0

Nothing wrong with that, though it's a little odd, considering it was in the quote chain.

I've already stated why "personal attacks" are allowed, and are also commonly used. It's System Wars. Also, Baker's rather prone to flailing insults himself. Altogether, I would advise you just ignore it, and attack the argument itself... Or don't quote the poster.

Pull up a chair, then, and join the discussion. We're talking about what platforms it impacts (all of them), how legitimate players and developers alike are harmed, and what can actually be done about it (nothing, since they'll crack it anyway and all you'll get for your trouble is a bill from your DRM provider and angry customers with false positives). So, go from there.lowe0

Go from there. Thats pretty much it, summarized

Discussion over:?

[QUOTE="lowe0"]This again? I'm firmly on the consolite side of the fence, and I don't claim otherwise; nor to I claim to be unbiased (though I don't ignore people's posts just because they're fellow consolites).lundy86_4

Yes. This again. I've seen you continually try to straddle an imaginary fence over the years... You also attempt to focus on undermining false claims, to which, you ignored Baker's post.

Now, this is System Wars, where the ToU has been changed. Clyde questioned the legitimacy of Baker's claim, and yes, called him a hillbilly. Big deal.

Yeah idd, big deal. Baker calls people morons and idiots all of the time. I never seen lowe respond to that. Or ask him the same question as he did clyde.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"]This again? I'm firmly on the consolite side of the fence, and I don't claim otherwise; nor to I claim to be unbiased (though I don't ignore people's posts just because they're fellow consolites).R4gn4r0k

Yes. This again. I've seen you continually try to straddle an imaginary fence over the years... You also attempt to focus on undermining false claims, to which, you ignored Baker's post.

Now, this is System Wars, where the ToU has been changed. Clyde questioned the legitimacy of Baker's claim, and yes, called him a hillbilly. Big deal.

Yeah idd, big deal. Baker calls people morons and idiots all of the time. I never seen lowe respond to that. Or ask him the same question as he did clyde.

Yeah idd, big deal. Baker calls people morons and idiots all of the time. I never seen lowe respond to that. Or ask him the same question as he did clyde.

R4gn4r0k

Exactly. This forum is wrought with insults nowadays, and Baker's definitely not adverse to using them... "Your a moron"... I love the glaring error.

[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Yes. This again. I've seen you continually try to straddle an imaginary fence over the years... You also attempt to focus on undermining false claims, to which, you ignored Baker's post.

Now, this is System Wars, where the ToU has been changed. Clyde questioned the legitimacy of Baker's claim, and yes, called him a hillbilly. Big deal.

lowe0

Yeah idd, big deal. Baker calls people morons and idiots all of the time. I never seen lowe respond to that. Or ask him the same question as he did clyde.

Tell you what. The next time someone calls someone a bad name, just run and get me, and I'll make them sit in timeout until they're ready to apologize. Or hey, you could just call them on it directly, instead of worrying about whether or not I saw it. lowe0

You brought it up. You responded to someone soley for the insult and not everything else he said in his post.

[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]

Yeah idd, big deal. Baker calls people morons and idiots all of the time. I never seen lowe respond to that. Or ask him the same question as he did clyde.

lundy86_4

Exactly. This forum is wrought with insults nowadays, and Baker's definitely not adverse to using them... "Your a moron"... I love the glaring error.

I think that is the reason why clyde mentioned it. Because he calls names himself all of the time.

I'm still not for calling people names, but clyde should not be called out for calling William anything. Let the first one without sins throw the stone or something like that:P

[QUOTE="lowe0"]Tell you what. The next time someone calls someone a bad name, just run and get me, and I'll make them sit in timeout until they're ready to apologize. Or hey, you could just call them on it directly, instead of worrying about whether or not I saw it. R4gn4r0k

You brought it up. You responded to someone soley for the insult and not everything else he said in his post.

I think that is the reason why clyde mentioned it. Because he calls names himself all of the time.

I'm still not for calling people names, but clyde should not be called out for calling William anything. Let the first one without sins throw the stone or something like that:P

R4gn4r0k

Hehe, personally I find it all rather fun. The forum has gone to sh*t, but if you can't beat 'em, you may as well wade waist-deep in the sh*t and start flingin'!

[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"]Tell you what. The next time someone calls someone a bad name, just run and get me, and I'll make them sit in timeout until they're ready to apologize. Or hey, you could just call them on it directly, instead of worrying about whether or not I saw it. lowe0

You brought it up. You responded to someone soley for the insult and not everything else he said in his post.

I did bring it up. What I'm wondering is why I'm getting criticized for it when you could have criticized either Clyde's insult, or any of Baker's alleged prior insults, instead.lowe0

Because I'm not like you.

Where am I critizing you exactly ? I'm just stating some things.

Hehe, personally I find it all rather fun. The forum has gone to sh*t, but if you can't beat 'em, you may as well wade waist-deep in the sh*t and start flingin'!

lundy86_4

I think its rather childish because it doesn't accomplish anything. "Oh you don't like something that I like, you are an idiot"

I've never seen you use insults.

A little banter and it all goes to sh!t.clyde46

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A little banter and it all goes to sh!t.clyde46

I think its rather childish because it doesn't accomplish anything. "Oh you don't like something that I like, you are an idiot"

I've never seen you use insults.

R4gn4r0k

Oh, i'd never use those kinds of insults... That's just sad.

I do use the odd one, but it's mostly towards the complete boobs on this site. Legitimate posters can expect semi-serious responses from me :P

A little banter and it all goes to sh!t.clyde46

Look what you did, clyde :x

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

If piracy is 30% on consoles, it is like 99,9% on PC

R4gn4r0k

...Aaaaaand loosingENDS is back to trolling. That was faster than I thought

Piracy on PC is huge

Skyrim sold 1 million on PC and 6+ million on 360

Witcher 2 sold 1 million on PC and 4 million were pirated by CD PRoject numbers

It is really terrible

[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

If piracy is 30% on consoles, it is like 99,9% on PC

loosingENDS

...Aaaaaand loosingENDS is back to trolling. That was faster than I thought

Piracy on PC is huge

Skyrim sold 1 million on PC and 6+ million on 360

Witcher 2 sold 1 million on PC and 4 million were pirated by CD PRoject numbers

It is really terrible

[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

If piracy is 30% on consoles, it is like 99,9% on PC

loosingENDS

...Aaaaaand loosingENDS is back to trolling. That was faster than I thought

Piracy on PC is huge

Skyrim sold 1 million on PC and 6+ million on 360

Witcher 2 sold 1 million on PC and 4 million were pirated by CD PRoject numbers

It is really terrible

Piracy on PC is huge

Skyrim sold 1 million on PC and 6+ million on 360

Witcher 2 sold 1 million on PC and 4 million were pirated by CD PRoject numbers

It is really terrible

loosingENDS

Source for these figures?

So, The Witcher 2 sold more on PC, even with the supposed extensive pirating? lol.

Pull up a chair, then, and join the discussion. We're talking about what platforms it impacts (all of them), how legitimate players and developers alike are harmed, and what can actually be done about it (nothing, since they'll crack it anyway and all you'll get for your trouble is a bill from your DRM provider and angry customers with false positives). So, go from there.lowe0

So you're debating ad nauseam something that is ubiquitous, and you cannot impact.

In other words you're blowing just to blow.

[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]

I think its rather childish because it doesn't accomplish anything. "Oh you don't like something that I like, you are an idiot"

I've never seen you use insults.

lundy86_4

Oh, i'd never use those kinds of insults... That's just sad.

I do use the odd one, but it's mostly towards the complete boobs on this site. Legitimate posters can expect semi-serious responses from me :P

Until the bar opens! Amirite?

Bazinga!:D

Until the bar opens! Amirite?

Bazinga!:D

santoron

This is true... Then, it's only people who deserve it :P

He's just happy people are playing it. True story.

[QUOTE="lowe0"]Pull up a chair, then, and join the discussion. We're talking about what platforms it impacts (all of them), how legitimate players and developers alike are harmed, and what can actually be done about it (nothing, since they'll crack it anyway and all you'll get for your trouble is a bill from your DRM provider and angry customers with false positives). So, go from there.santoron

So you're debating ad nauseam something that is ubiquitous, and you cannot impact.

In other words you're blowing just to blow.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] The question wasn't whether ads were present. It's whether we're capable of purchasing games without a million dollar campaign behind them. Do you have any conclusive evidence that we're not capable of that?lowe0

No, not really since I didn't do an investigation... I was only talking about Dishonored.

I was talking about Dishonored, are you following ?

Funny that the developer doesn't seem to care that much

"And I definitely want people to experience the game the way it's meant to be experienced. No matter how they got a hold of it.""

He is trying to turn the pirates into paying customers through kindness.

Hotline Miami sold more than 100k copies and it's getting a sequel. Even with all the piracy people can't deny it's success on PC.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

No, not really since I didn't do an investigation... I was only talking about Dishonored.

Bebi_vegeta

I was talking about Dishonored, are you following ?

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Okay, so if you don't have anything to say about Riadon's statement, what's your point?lowe0

I was talking about Dishonored, are you following ?

Probably... I don't know. When I was a more of a console gamer, I'd just go at the store and see what's the game with the most boxes on the shelfs.

[QUOTE="lowe0"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

I was talking about Dishonored, are you following ?

Bebi_vegeta

Probably... I don't know. When I was a more of a console gamer, I'd just go at the store and see what's the game with the most boxes on the shelfs.

Hotline Miami sold more than 100k copies and it's getting a sequel. Even with all the piracy people can't deny it's success on PC.

RyuRanVII

[QUOTE="RyuRanVII"]

Hotline Miami sold more than 100k copies and it's getting a sequel. Even with all the piracy people can't deny it's success on PC.

Chris_Williams

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] To confirm, then, do you think console gamers were capable of purchasing Dishonored without the marketing campaign? BTW, since the original statement said "only", this is a yes or no question.

lowe0

Probably... I don't know. When I was a more of a console gamer, I'd just go at the store and see what's the game with the most boxes on the shelfs.

Probably not. But the thing is, it's hard to compare. It seems console and PC are in the same crowd. I mean why does moderne warfare sell so good on console and so bad on PC.