PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 worldwide sales equal in 2008

[QUOTE="hiphop_quotable"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"] No, I think it would be more accurate to say that only COWS want to let go of the past in order to rid themselves of the taint that their boasts, guarantees, and outright lies have cast on them. It's beyond disingenuous to claim what cow nation claimed from 2005-present, and when the truth finally dawns to want to wash their hands of their folly and cry "stop living in the past!" Yeah, sure, wouldn't THAT be convenient...Javy03

Well your right its mostly cows that do this when some one brings up the "ps3 is losing all of the market share the ps2 had" arguement. But what do you mean by cows, all the ps3 owners in SW or just the sony fanboys?

Wow your absolutely right.

[QUOTE="hiphop_quotable"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"] No, I think it would be more accurate to say that only COWS want to let go of the past in order to rid themselves of the taint that their boasts, guarantees, and outright lies have cast on them. It's beyond disingenuous to claim what cow nation claimed from 2005-present, and when the truth finally dawns to want to wash their hands of their folly and cry "stop living in the past!" Yeah, sure, wouldn't THAT be convenient...Javy03

Well your right its mostly cows that do this when some one brings up the "ps3 is losing all of the market share the ps2 had" arguement. But what do you mean by cows, all the ps3 owners in SW or just the sony fanboys?

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

Sony's own expectations first and foremost, then the business world following a close second.

Javy03

How much money does Sony make off of blu-ray? I mean it can't be that much since they're apart of that blu-ray association thing. Would sony get the most when they divide the money up or something? And then what about that codec that Microsoft created for the blu-ray disc, wouldn't they make lots of money off blu-ray too?:?

All that sounds great, yet is pure nonsense. No more different goals for different companies? On which planet? If you honestly think that the goals for McDonalds are the same as for Whitecastle, or for Coca Cola and RC Cola, you're out of your mind. Could you imagine, hypothetically, were RC to magically match Coke's sales a year from now, that Coke execs would just shrug and say "you're still not beating us!!!" like it wasn't a huge victory for RC and a huge disaster for Coke? Be real, for the love of God.dsmccracken

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

Sony's own expectations first and foremost, then the business world following a close second.

Javy03

they sold over 100 million and were in first place with the ps1

same with the ps2

just like you said, they are out for profits. do you honestly believe that they sank ALL that money into ps3 production to have it just sit there in last place... losing money:|

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="hiphop_quotable"]

Well your right its mostly cows that do this when some one brings up the "ps3 is losing all of the market share the ps2 had" arguement. But what do you mean by cows, all the ps3 owners in SW or just the sony fanboys?

dsmccracken

But its not like they're discontinuing coca cola soda and starting all over again with a new soda

[QUOTE="CubanBlunt"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

cause the ps3 was supposed to dominate like its predecessors.... staying in last place is a failure

ogvampire

Keyword "Supposed" The only thing Sony was "supposed" to do is release the PS3 and sell it....which they did. Micsosoft is supposed to be in the lead, the 360 came out a year before the PS3.

no, sony was 'supposed' to dominate again... that 'supposed' turned into failure

how do you define a 'failure' in the business sense? by not meeting expectations....

the ps3 is far from meeting expectations, it was expected to be the #1 selling console again.

do you honestly believe that in big business, they just release something without expectations, especially considering how much money they sank into the ps3?

Exactly.

It seems many here have no clue how the Business World operates. No company releases the successor of a dominate, industruy-leading product with the intentions of losing over half of their marketshare.

Companies are expected to grow their base with each new product they release. That is how the Business World operates.

Sony's own expectations first and foremost, then the business world following a close second.

How much money does Sony make off of blu-ray? I mean it can't be that much since they're apart of that blu-ray association thing. Would sony get the most when they divide the money up or something? And then what about that codec that Microsoft created for the blu-ray disc, wouldn't they make lots of money off blu-ray too?:?

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

Sony's own expectations first and foremost, then the business world following a close second.

ogvampire

they sold over 100 million and were in first place with the ps1

same with the ps2

just like you said, they are out for profits. do you honestly believe that they sank ALL that money into ps3 production to have it just sit there in last place... losing money:|

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

Sony's own expectations first and foremost, then the business world following a close second.

ogvampire

they sold over 100 million and were in first place with the ps1

same with the ps2

just like you said, they are out for profits. do you honestly believe that they sank ALL that money into ps3 production to have it just sit there in last place... losing money:|

they're probably more concerned with blu-ray right now than with market-share. I assume that if blu-ray takes off than they would make more money than they're losing right now. Remember they're not just a gaming company

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="hiphop_quotable"]

whos expectations is it supposed to be meeting?

hiphop_quotable

Sony's own expectations first and foremost, then the business world following a close second.

Well with a $600 lauch price tag, they couldn't have been expecting to be the number one selling console this gen. They were probably expecting blu-ray to take off by now, which they're obviously still waiting on. But of course they weren't expecting to lose this much market share eithier.

they expected you to get a 2nd job to be able to afford the ps3 (actual quote for Ken Kutaragi)

analysts prediction are in line with company predictions... you will not find analysts predicting something completely different than what the companies are expecting.

as you can see with this article: some analysts expected the ps3 to be the #1 selling console with 121 million sold by 2012

you will NOT find any articles about analysts expecting the ps3 to sell the least

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

Sony's own expectations first and foremost, then the business world following a close second.

hiphop_quotable

How much money does Sony make off of blu-ray? I mean it can't be that much since they're apart of that blu-ray association thing. Would sony get the most when they divide the money up or something? And then what about that codec that Microsoft created for the blu-ray disc, wouldn't they make lots of money off blu-ray too?:?

Excellent questions! :)

Let's see if Javy and his fellow cows are able to answer the questions. It's easy to make claims here in SW, but it takes courage to back those claims up with facts.

I want to see how much Sony earns from blu-ray becoming the standard.

[QUOTE="hiphop_quotable"][QUOTE="Javy03"] And that is the problem, you have no clue what Sony's true expectations were. All people do is speculate and of course no company is not gonna show support for their product. In the end Sony gave up some of the gaming marketshare for ALL of the format market share and is still going well when comparing it to a console that is much cheaper then it is and has been available worldwide longer then the PS3. In the end all companies goals for their product is profitability. The PS3 will make Sony mony off of software like all gaming machines and a small amount off of hardware. However it has also allowed Blu ray to become standard and make Sony even more money well after the gaming gen. is over. Javy03

How much money does Sony make off of blu-ray? I mean it can't be that much since they're apart of that blu-ray association thing. Would sony get the most when they divide the money up or something? And then what about that codec that Microsoft created for the blu-ray disc, wouldn't they make lots of money off blu-ray too?:?

ohh okay so thats how it goes. thanks for the info :)

[QUOTE="hiphop_quotable"][QUOTE="Javy03"] And that is the problem, you have no clue what Sony's true expectations were. All people do is speculate and of course no company is not gonna show support for their product. In the end Sony gave up some of the gaming marketshare for ALL of the format market share and is still going well when comparing it to a console that is much cheaper then it is and has been available worldwide longer then the PS3. In the end all companies goals for their product is profitability. The PS3 will make Sony mony off of software like all gaming machines and a small amount off of hardware. However it has also allowed Blu ray to become standard and make Sony even more money well after the gaming gen. is over. Javy03

How much money does Sony make off of blu-ray? I mean it can't be that much since they're apart of that blu-ray association thing. Would sony get the most when they divide the money up or something? And then what about that codec that Microsoft created for the blu-ray disc, wouldn't they make lots of money off blu-ray too?:?

Sony doesn't own blu-ray though.

Sony is only part of the BDA

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="hiphop_quotable"]

How much money does Sony make off of blu-ray? I mean it can't be that much since they're apart of that blu-ray association thing. Would sony get the most when they divide the money up or something? And then what about that codec that Microsoft created for the blu-ray disc, wouldn't they make lots of money off blu-ray too?:?

LosDaddie

Sony doesn't own blu-ray though.

Sony is only part of the BDA

yup, they split the profits between them and 8 other companies...although i think Sony gets a little more

[QUOTE="hiphop_quotable"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

Sony's own expectations first and foremost, then the business world following a close second.

ogvampire

Well with a $600 lauch price tag, they couldn't have been expecting to be the number one selling console this gen. They were probably expecting blu-ray to take off by now, which they're obviously still waiting on. But of course they weren't expecting to lose this much market share eithier.

they expected you to get a 2nd job to be able to afford the ps3 (actual quote for Ken Kutaragi)

analysts prediction are in line with company predictions... you will not find analysts predicting something completely different than what the companies are expecting.

as you can see with this article: some analysts expected the ps3 to be the #1 selling console with 121 million sold by 2012

you will NOT find any articles about analysts expecting the ps3 to sell the least

:lol: did he actually say that, what the hell is wrong with some of these company execs and analysts

edit: well maybe he was just being arrogant.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="Javy03"] And that is the problem, you have no clue what Sony's true expectations were. All people do is speculate and of course no company is not gonna show support for their product. In the end Sony gave up some of the gaming marketshare for ALL of the format market share and is still going well when comparing it to a console that is much cheaper then it is and has been available worldwide longer then the PS3. In the end all companies goals for their product is profitability. The PS3 will make Sony mony off of software like all gaming machines and a small amount off of hardware. However it has also allowed Blu ray to become standard and make Sony even more money well after the gaming gen. is over. Eddie-Vedder

they sold over 100 million and were in first place with the ps1

same with the ps2

just like you said, they are out for profits. do you honestly believe that they sank ALL that money into ps3 production to have it just sit there in last place... losing money:|

Who said anything about selling 100M units in 2yrs? :|

People are just pointing out how far behind in marketshare the PS3 is when compared to both the PS1 & PS2.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="Javy03"] Let's put it like this, video game consoles make most of their money off of software and not hardware. So that means that most of Nintendo's, MS and Sony's money in the gaming industry comes from royalties for games they don't even make. Now imagine that one of these companies owns the format that these games get printed on. I honestly don't know how much money Sony gets from each blu ray but the amount they invested and the effort they put does not leave me to think not much. Companies fight for their format to be standard so one assumes the prize is great.ogvampire

Sony doesn't own blu-ray though.

Sony is only part of the BDA

yup, they split the profits between them and 8 other companies...although i think Sony gets a little more

It wouldn't surprise me if Sony got a little more. But what should be clear to all is that Sony doesn't own the exclusive rights to blu-ray. Far from it, in fact.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="hiphop_quotable"]

Well with a $600 lauch price tag, they couldn't have been expecting to be the number one selling console this gen. They were probably expecting blu-ray to take off by now, which they're obviously still waiting on. But of course they weren't expecting to lose this much market share eithier.

hiphop_quotable

they expected you to get a 2nd job to be able to afford the ps3 (actual quote for Ken Kutaragi)

analysts prediction are in line with company predictions... you will not find analysts predicting something completely different than what the companies are expecting.

as you can see with this article: some analysts expected the ps3 to be the #1 selling console with 121 million sold by 2012

you will NOT find any articles about analysts expecting the ps3 to sell the least

:lol: did he actually say that, what the hell is wrong with some of these company execs and analysts

im sorry, i was wrong. his actual quote is:

"for consumers to think to themselves 'I will work more hours to buy one'. We want people to feel that they want it, irrespective of anything else"

he wanted gamers to work more to be able to afford a ps3

Am I going to really be the first person to say shipped =/= sold? Shipped Xbox 360's and shipped PS3's are sitting in your stores right now.TheSystemLord1

[QUOTE="hiphop_quotable"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

they expected you to get a 2nd job to be able to afford the ps3 (actual quote for Ken Kutaragi)

analysts prediction are in line with company predictions... you will not find analysts predicting something completely different than what the companies are expecting.

as you can see with this article: some analysts expected the ps3 to be the #1 selling console with 121 million sold by 2012

you will NOT find any articles about analysts expecting the ps3 to sell the least

ogvampire

:lol: did he actually say that, what the hell is wrong with some of these company execs and analysts

im sorry, i was wrong. his actual quote is:

"for consumers to think to themselves 'I will work more hours to buy one'. We want people to feel that they want it, irrespective of anything else"

he wanted gamers to work more to be able to afford a ps3

Its no problem. And well I guess they had to hype up the ps3 some way to get people to buy it for that much amount of money.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="hiphop_quotable"]

:lol: did he actually say that, what the hell is wrong with some of these company execs and analysts

hiphop_quotable

im sorry, i was wrong. his actual quote is:

"for consumers to think to themselves 'I will work more hours to buy one'. We want people to feel that they want it, irrespective of anything else"

he wanted gamers to work more to be able to afford a ps3

Its no problem. And well I guess they had to hype up the ps3 some way to get people to buy it for that much amount of money.

thats true.... but it does sound a little arrogant

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="Master-Thief-09"] Haha, so true.PoppaGamer

And watch cows ignore it.

They won't address the issue of MARKETSHARE, but rather instead focus on the Xbox360's one year headstart. :lol:

[QUOTE="TheSystemLord1"]Am I going to really be the first person to say shipped =/= sold? Shipped Xbox 360's and shipped PS3's are sitting in your stores right now.kingtito

The 360 could have sold more units than the ps3 in North America, but how do we determine if the 360 out sold the ps3 world wide in 2008?

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

they sold over 100 million and were in first place with the ps1

same with the ps2

just like you said, they are out for profits. do you honestly believe that they sank ALL that money into ps3 production to have it just sit there in last place... losing money:|

LosDaddie

Who said anything about selling 100M units in 2yrs? :|

People are just pointing out how far behind in marketshare the PS3 is when compared to both the PS1 & PS2.

So after those price drops the xbox only managed to tie with the PS3??PS_John

[QUOTE="PS_John"]So after those price drops the xbox only managed to tie with the PS3??blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"] All that sounds great, yet is pure nonsense. No more different goals for different companies? On which planet? If you honestly think that the goals for McDonalds are the same as for Whitecastle, or for Coca Cola and RC Cola, you're out of your mind. Could you imagine, hypothetically, were RC to magically match Coke's sales a year from now, that Coke execs would just shrug and say "you're still not beating us!!!" like it wasn't a huge victory for RC and a huge disaster for Coke? Be real, for the love of God.Javy03

[QUOTE="PS_John"]So after those price drops the xbox only managed to tie with the PS3??blue_hazy_basic

Not trying to sound like a fanboy here, but it is pretty amazing seeing a tie at the end of 2008(in units shipped) after the 360 price drops. I expected the 360 to at least have out shipped the ps3 by at least 2 million units.

[QUOTE="PS_John"]So after those price drops the xbox only managed to tie with the PS3??blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] I'm pretty sure the PS3 is selling more then the PS1 did, and it's pretty clear Sony has the whole 10 year cycle plan thing going on. I find it absurd how lemmings excpet the PS3 to sell 100million consoles in 2 years... (not calling you a lemmings btw)Eddie-Vedder

Who said anything about selling 100M units in 2yrs? :|

People are just pointing out how far behind in marketshare the PS3 is when compared to both the PS1 & PS2.

Unreasonable? NOt at all. It seems you don't know how the Business World operates.

Even though it launched a year later, the Wii seems to have no problems dominating the market like the PS2 did. Which leaves you no excuse for the PS3. :)

Based on current sales, the PS3 will be lucky to retain 50% of the marketshare the PS2 held last gen.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] I'm pretty sure the PS3 is selling more then the PS1 did, and it's pretty clear Sony has the whole 10 year cycle plan thing going on. I find it absurd how lemmings excpet the PS3 to sell 100million consoles in 2 years... (not calling you a lemmings btw)Eddie-Vedder

Who said anything about selling 100M units in 2yrs? :|

People are just pointing out how far behind in marketshare the PS3 is when compared to both the PS1 & PS2.

didnt the DC launch at least a year before the ps2? didnt the ps2 dominate anyway?

to get a better chunk of the market share, it has to outsell its competitiors... so far it hasnt

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="PS_John"]So after those price drops the xbox only managed to tie with the PS3??sireclaborn

nope, the 360 is more expensive. this is confirmed by sony itself

[QUOTE="sireclaborn"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] So after MGS, LBP and R2 AND a price cut the PS3 only managed to tie with the 360?EndorphinMaster

nope, the 360 is more expensive. this is confirmed by sony itself

[QUOTE="mmirza23"][QUOTE="rybe1025"]Wait what??? Only on system wars could someone be able to twist this into a good thing for Sony. First I doubt they have the true numbers cause kinda hard to have them. Lets say they do though. 1) Sony first year sold more then the 360 and now they sold slightly less. 2) PS2 sold over 100 million consoles more then the X-box and now not only is the PS3 still in last place but AGAIN sold slightly less. Reason I keep saying slightly less is cause The PlayStation 3 shipped around 10.8 million (closer to 10.78) and the Xbox 360 also shipped 10.8 million: Also this is in Kotaku PS3 sales are down 9% for oct-dec so PS3 sales are not going foward but are going backwards. The thrill of the Playstation name is wearing off.rybe1025

Fact is Last year PS3 sold more this year it did not.

Oct-Dec PS3 sold 9% less. P

S3 still after over 2 years is still in last place.

The PS3 is going backwards in sales. Compared to the 360.

Fact is PS3 is sucking wind this gen

lol...wow... stick to one perspective please.

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"] All that sounds great, yet is pure nonsense. No more different goals for different companies? On which planet? If you honestly think that the goals for McDonalds are the same as for Whitecastle, or for Coca Cola and RC Cola, you're out of your mind. Could you imagine, hypothetically, were RC to magically match Coke's sales a year from now, that Coke execs would just shrug and say "you're still not beating us!!!" like it wasn't a huge victory for RC and a huge disaster for Coke? Be real, for the love of God.dsmccracken

I guess they had to do what they thought would make them the most profit, but it doesn't seem like it was worth it.

Like you said, they don't soley own the format.

The PS3 is still losing millions of dollars.

And now they seem to be in financial trouble because of the world wide recession.

I know they didn't see the recession coming, but couldn't they have planned ahead just in case something like this happens?

Hopefully they can get it together before they get into more financial trouble.

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="TheSystemLord1"]Am I going to really be the first person to say shipped =/= sold? Shipped Xbox 360's and shipped PS3's are sitting in your stores right now.hiphop_quotable

The 360 could have sold more units than the ps3 in North America, but how do we determine if the 360 out sold the ps3 world wide in 2008?

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="PS_John"]So after those price drops the xbox only managed to tie with the PS3??hiphop_quotable

Not trying to sound like a fanboy here, but it is pretty amazing seeing a tie at the end of 2008(in units shipped) after the 360 price drops. I expected the 360 to at least have out shipped the ps3 by at least 2 million units.

Bad news for the PS3, considering it was actually selling more per year until now. I guess the massive boost in sales it got based on name brand is starting to wear off... And people are starting to realize it really isn't the console the PS2 was.Shafftehr

Well I think the brand loyalty is wearing off because of things like the recession, and the price tag compared to the Wii and the 360. Not because of it not being the console the ps2 was. The games are still there, they're just multi platform now.

edit: well I guess your right, seeing that you can get most of the games on 360 for lower the price.

[QUOTE="hiphop_quotable"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] So after MGS, LBP and R2 AND a price cut the PS3 only managed to tie with the 360?kingtito

Not trying to sound like a fanboy here, but it is pretty amazing seeing a tie at the end of 2008(in units shipped) after the 360 price drops. I expected the 360 to at least have out shipped the ps3 by at least 2 million units.

They could have, but if their consoles are selling more after the price drop, why couldn't they have increased their shipments?

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"]Bad news for the PS3, considering it was actually selling more per year until now. I guess the massive boost in sales it got based on name brand is starting to wear off... And people are starting to realize it really isn't the console the PS2 was.hiphop_quotable

Well I think the brand loyalty is wearing off because of things like the recession, and the price tag compared to the Wii and the 360. Not because of it not being the console the ps2 was. The games are still there, they're just multi platform now.

[QUOTE="hiphop_quotable"]

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"]Bad news for the PS3, considering it was actually selling more per year until now. I guess the massive boost in sales it got based on name brand is starting to wear off... And people are starting to realize it really isn't the console the PS2 was.Shafftehr

Well I think the brand loyalty is wearing off because of things like the recession, and the price tag compared to the Wii and the 360. Not because of it not being the console the ps2 was. The games are still there, they're just multi platform now.

:?How is it an insult because other than sells, and actually not having the name "PS2", I don't see why not?

Wow, the '08 Ps3-Xbox360 Slapfight was a draw.no_handlebars

Yeah after all of that...I still can't believe its a draw.

How is it an insult because other than sells I don't see why not?

hiphop_quotable

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="hiphop_quotable"]

Well I think the brand loyalty is wearing off because of things like the recession, and the price tag compared to the Wii and the 360. Not because of it not being the console the ps2 was. The games are still there, they're just multi platform now.

hiphop_quotable

How is it an insult because other than sells I don't see why not?

(Ugh. GlitchSpot!)