PlayStation 4: "$299 is the magic price point"

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#51 Big_Pecks
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There's no way. Sony needs a profit.

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microsoft will definatley have the weaker console in regards to hardware specs.     The rumors of the playstation 4 turned out to be true .. I dont see why the xbox 720 rumors will not be also true.  

 

Xbox 720 is using 8 Gigs of DDR 3 memory instead of ps4 8 gigs of DDR5.                Xbox 720 apu/gpu specs say that it 14 gcn units instead of sonys 18.     The rumors said wayyyy before the announcement the ps4 has 1.84 teraflops for the gpu, which turned out to be true.....   Xbox rumors point towards 1.2 Teraflops........       If the rumors turn out to be true, ps4 has roughly %50 more power than the nextbox.

 

So anybody thinking Xbox will have better hardware are delusional.  ps4 will sport the strongest hardware.   Xbox seems focused to do other things in addition to gaming. they probably gonna push this kinect gimmick even further.  I dunno why they havent learn from the WII..     Nobody cares for these gimmicks anymore, the casuals will stay casuals.     Cater to the hardcore and word of mouth will spread. Look at ps3 and xbox 360, Ya sure none of them were selling like hotcakes when they first released, But wii sold at 1/2 the price and yet still after a couple years ps3 and xbox still managed to outsell that piece of junk. WII U is dead, nobody cares about gimmicks anymore.

 

 

COWS poised to win the battle between there only 2 relevant consoles.  Sheep out of the question

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#53 emgesp
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My guess is that the console will cost around $550 to manufacture, so Sony will most likely take a loss on the console and retail it for around $400-450. 

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#54 deactivated-583e460ca986b
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I have this strange feeling that they may follow the cell phone market and subsidize the console. $299 with a 4 year paid subscription to PSN, or $599 no strings attached. Those prices are just an example of course.
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#55 MstaPrimeMnista
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It will be 499, just like the PS2.
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#56 LegatoSkyheart
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There is NO WAY the PS4 is going to be the same price as current consoles.

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#57 Nintendo_Ownes7
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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]

[QUOTE="1PMrFister"]If Nintendo is losing money with every Wii-U sold at a minimum of $300, there's no way in hell Sony's much beefier system is retailing at that price. $300 might be the eventual price when sales start to pick up, but I expect a $400 initial price tag at the very least.Rockman999

Remove $100 for Wii U gamepad and you have a $200 console.

Also Nintendo isn't taking a big loss, if you buy one game they make profit for that Wii U system, so it's a minuscule loss. Sony have and are willing to take a bigger hit per console.

PS4 R&D was cheap enough that Sony already stated they will be able to be competitive.

More like remove $200 for the Wii U gamepad and you have a $100 console.

The Gamepad isn't $200 the Wii U premium is still $50 cheaper then the 4GB Xbox 360 bundled with Kinect that is $399 new.

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#58 applefan1991  Moderator
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No chance at that low, but I think $399 for a basic SKU with a 120GB HDD and then a $499 premium with 500gb HDD and 1 yr PS+ membership could be a possibility.APiranhaAteMyVa
This sounds pretty plausible actually...
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#59 mitu123
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[QUOTE="lx_theo"]

That;d be ridiculous. Personally I can't see it releasing for less than 350. And that's being really hopeful.

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lol, your sig.

This, it's funny as hell.
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#60 Sali217
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I say, sell it for $599 and pack a Vita into every box :O!
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microsoft will definatley have the weaker console in regards to hardware specs.     The rumors of the playstation 4 turned out to be true .. I dont see why the xbox 720 rumors will not be also true.  

 

Xbox 720 is using 8 Gigs of DDR 3 memory instead of ps4 8 gigs of DDR5.                Xbox 720 apu/gpu specs say that it 14 gcn units instead of sonys 18.     The rumors said wayyyy before the announcement the ps4 has 1.84 teraflops for the gpu, which turned out to be true.....   Xbox rumors point towards 1.2 Teraflops........

 

So anybody thinking Xbox will have better hardware are delusional.  ps4 will sport the strongest hardware.   Xbox seems focused to do other things in addition to gaming. they probably gonna push this kinect gimmick even further.  I dunno why they havent learn from the WII..     Nobody cares for these gimmicks anymore, the casuals will stay casuals.     Cater to the hardcore and word of mouth will spread. Look at ps3 and xbox 360, Ya sure none of them were selling like hotcakes when they first released, But wii sold at 1/2 the price and yet still after a couple years ps3 and xbox still managed to outsell that piece of junk. WII U is dead, nobody cares about gimmicks.

 

 

COWS poised to win the battle between this 2 relevant consoles.  Sheep out of the question

lunar1122

 

Oh god, shut up!

 

Those Next Xbox specs come from that SuperDae guy and he said it himself; those are almost one year old dev kit specs!

 

If you ask me, I will take a person who had dev kits words over yours (any day).

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#62 nintendoboy16
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With those specs, there is no f***ing way.
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#63 osirisx3
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No way its to cheap

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#64 wakefulness
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Granted, Vita has a rather nasty hidden fee in the memory sticks.1PMrFister

 

Something tells me the PS Eye 2.0 and DS4 will be sold at a premium. 

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#65 XalonR
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Question? Whats the price of release Wii U in US? It was $480 in australia :S
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#66 Nintendo_Ownes7
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Question? Whats the price of release Wii U in US? It was $480 in australia :SXalonR
$300 for Basic $350 for Deluxe; The Deluxe is still $50 cheaper then 4GB 360 W/Kinect.

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#67 XalonR
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[QUOTE="XalonR"]Question? Whats the price of release Wii U in US? It was $480 in australia :SNintendo_Ownes7

$300 for Basic $350 for Deluxe; The Deluxe is still $50 cheaper then 4GB 360 W/Kinect.

Scratch what I said earlier looked back at it and $428 for premium black $348.


Judging from these prices as a student if its around that price I'd probably get it off ebay

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#68 AmazonTreeBoa
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I always say I wouldn't buy til Christmas 2015 at the earliest. But seeing this could have me move it up to Christmas 2014. At that price, the only thing holding me back from a day one purchase are the bugs the launch consoles will have. But man it really does seem like Sony got their head out their ass and learned a lot of harsh lessons this gen and will be fixing them next gen.
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#69 jackfruitchips
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Not gonna happen.

$400-500

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#70 KungfuKitten
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I'm expecting $600 or $500 at a loss.

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#71 Clock-w0rk
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$300 is ridiculous who comes up with this stuff?

$450-$500 makes sense.

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#72 Zaibach
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It will need to be a near premium SKU to feel like a justifiable leap

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#73 adamosmaki
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it aint happening but if they make a cheap model for $450 that would be good
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#74 2Chalupas
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$399 should be the target. That's what I expect based on the hardware assuming something like a 320 GB HDD. If it's $299 it would be bargain of the century. Game over for Wii-U. $499 might still be sort of reasonable, but probably would lead to slow sales. If they price at $599 again it would be a devastating error IMO - frankly there is nothing about this system that suggests it SHOULD be priced high. There is no new disc technology (no blu-ray). It is using a tablet CPU, and a decent overclocked GPU. Nothing should be exotic or expensive about it.
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#75 2Chalupas
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I'm expecting $600 or $500 at a loss.

KungfuKitten

 

Why? There is no cell, and blu-ray is now an inexpensive tech. 

It's got a damn tablet CPU. Which is smart on Sony's part for this application. GPU sounds solid, but it's not like Sony is paying retail. 

The reason I don't see $299 as reasonable, is because even if Sony somehow managed to keep the manufacturing costs under $300 (which is sort of possible IMO) - they would want to take advantage of that for a change and - you know - actually make a profit on each system sold. I don't see any way this console should actually COST over $500/unit to manufacture. It will probably cost around $400-ish, so maybe they take a slight unit loss and launch it at $399 (and it's possible it could be profitable even at $399). That is my totaly uneducated guess. :)

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#76 campzor
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yeee no... It will probbaly be $449 US dollars
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#77 NexApex
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$499.99 Base Model (DS4, PS4 Eye, 250GB)

$599.99 Premium Model (DS4, PS4 Eye, 500GB, 1 Year PSN+)

IMO

EDIT: Add in a headset for both and maybe a HDMI for the premium model.

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#78 Mrmedia01
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$400 would be a decent price and they could throw in a downloadble game code at launch. So peopel that can barley afford the system have something to play.

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#79 JamDev
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Some of the reaction to the PS4 details makes you realize what an impossible task Sony and MS have to impress people with their next consoles. Judging from the reaction from some consumers and analysts people expected a console that would outperform a $1000 dollar PC, have $100 worth of extra hardware in it to play PS3 games and be sold at $300... I can't see how anyone thinks selling $800 worth of hardware for $300 is a sustainable business strategy.
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I would call this crazy, but then I remember that Sony somehow put 8 gigs of GDDR5 RAM in there.

I did not believe that was possible. 

And I don't think this price point is possible.

Is Sony going to surprise me again? I hope so. 

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#81 Snakemaster9
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[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]

I'm expecting $600 or $500 at a loss.

2Chalupas

 

Why? There is no cell, and blu-ray is now an inexpensive tech. 

It's got a damn tablet CPU. Which is smart on Sony's part for this application. GPU sounds solid, but it's not like Sony is paying retail. 

The reason I don't see $299 as reasonable, is because even if Sony somehow managed to keep the manufacturing costs under $300 (which is sort of possible IMO) - they would want to take advantage of that for a change and - you know - actually make a profit on each system sold. I don't see any way this console should actually COST over $500/unit to manufacture. It will probably cost around $400-ish, so maybe they take a slight unit loss and launch it at $399 (and it's possible it could be profitable even at $399). That is my totaly uneducated guess. :)

I think all that GDDR5 RAM is pretty expensive. 

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[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]

I'm expecting $600 or $500 at a loss.

2Chalupas

 

Why? There is no cell, and blu-ray is now an inexpensive tech. 

It's got a damn tablet CPU. Which is smart on Sony's part for this application. GPU sounds solid, but it's not like Sony is paying retail. 

The reason I don't see $299 as reasonable, is because even if Sony somehow managed to keep the manufacturing costs under $300 (which is sort of possible IMO) - they would want to take advantage of that for a change and - you know - actually make a profit on each system sold. I don't see any way this console should actually COST over $500/unit to manufacture. It will probably cost around $400-ish, so maybe they take a slight unit loss and launch it at $399 (and it's possible it could be profitable even at $399). That is my totaly uneducated guess. :)

Yeah I don't have much understanding of the hardware or pricing. My guess is just based on two things:
1 They never learn. Sony is pretty stubborn, so I try to ignore the past.
2 The hardware is based on PC hardware stuff, and it makes for pretty pictures that almost live up to current PC standards.

Then I just let that rattle through my mind and filter out the kittens and candy:
1/3 R&D&marketing
$50 controller
$150 current console
$200 extra power in it

So that would be most likely a $500 with a bit of a loss.
Or maybe $600 if they don't charge for online services.

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#83 StrongBlackVine
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$299 is a joke. Maybe 3 years from now.

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[QUOTE="2Chalupas"]

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]

I'm expecting $600 or $500 at a loss.

Snakemaster9

 

Why? There is no cell, and blu-ray is now an inexpensive tech. 

It's got a damn tablet CPU. Which is smart on Sony's part for this application. GPU sounds solid, but it's not like Sony is paying retail. 

The reason I don't see $299 as reasonable, is because even if Sony somehow managed to keep the manufacturing costs under $300 (which is sort of possible IMO) - they would want to take advantage of that for a change and - you know - actually make a profit on each system sold. I don't see any way this console should actually COST over $500/unit to manufacture. It will probably cost around $400-ish, so maybe they take a slight unit loss and launch it at $399 (and it's possible it could be profitable even at $399). That is my totaly uneducated guess. :)

I think all that GDDR5 RAM is pretty expensive. 

Totally unrelated but that gif is hilarious!
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#85 lamprey263
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300GBP in UK maybe but I'm thinking 400USD for the cheapest model in US
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#86 Optical_Order
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I'd be shocked if the price was under $400. 

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That dude is smokin some magical crack.

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#88 silversix_
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fk this give me a quality system (not just specs but build quality as well) for 449.99 and i will buy it in a heartbeat. I DON'T want my system to be 299.99 cheap sh*t...
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#89 Mrmedia01
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I'd be shocked if the price was under $400. 

Optical_Order

 

This^^^ With that 8GB DDR5, I would have to say price will be from $400 to $500 considering it will probably have a 500GB or 1TB hard drive.

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#90 naruske101
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$299 no way 500GB ps3 goes for $299

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#91 Rockman999
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With those specs, there is no f***ing way.nintendoboy16
Bro don't use the Wii U's crappy specs as a basis for what next gen consoles are going to cost.

The Wii U is a $100 console with a $200 controller.

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#92 W1NGMAN-
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Genius, oh wait ... NO SH!T :|

Better yet make it $199 at launch. Instant winner!! :o

SMH

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#93 AgentA-Mi6
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400$ for the gimped sku, 500$ for the premium one. Quote me on that.

It's gonna hit the sweet mass market price point of 299.99$ in a couple of years from now.

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#94 deactivated-5cd08b1605da1
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Oh man, at $299 I wouldnt even think twice, but I HIGHLY doubt it

It'll be $399 the least

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PS Vita surprised at $250. BELIEVE!!!SaltyMeatballs
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#96 jsmoke03
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if i had to choose with a more expensive console but free psn for online mp or cheap console with monthly subscription to psn....id pay $600 for the console

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#97 savagetwinkie
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[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]

I'm expecting $600 or $500 at a loss.

2Chalupas

 

Why? There is no cell, and blu-ray is now an inexpensive tech. 

It's got a damn tablet CPU. Which is smart on Sony's part for this application. GPU sounds solid, but it's not like Sony is paying retail. 

The reason I don't see $299 as reasonable, is because even if Sony somehow managed to keep the manufacturing costs under $300 (which is sort of possible IMO) - they would want to take advantage of that for a change and - you know - actually make a profit on each system sold. I don't see any way this console should actually COST over $500/unit to manufacture. It will probably cost around $400-ish, so maybe they take a slight unit loss and launch it at $399 (and it's possible it could be profitable even at $399). That is my totaly uneducated guess. :)

it looks like it has two cpu's, from what one of the websites I was reading recently, the OS processor is arm, but then it has an 8 core x86 processor for games.
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#98 deactivated-5cd08b1605da1
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PS Vita surprised at $250. BELIEVE!!!SaltyMeatballs

... and it still sold like cr4p :\

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#99 Senor_Kami
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Dude is a moron if he thinks it will be $299. PS3s cost like $270 right now. The PS4 isn't going to launch for a paltry $30 more.
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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]With those specs, there is no f***ing way.Rockman999

Bro don't use the Wii U's crappy specs as a basis for what next gen consoles are going to cost.

The Wii U is a $100 console with a $200 controller.

Exactly, don't base it off the Wii U. It won't launch at 299.