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#1 StealthKnife
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Playstation Network > Xbox Live ( lag wise )( why is this true?)

- Playstation network has dedicated servers, and MS has failed to make dedicated servers because of one reason : thier cheap. Even after XBL costs a yearly fee (a nonexpensive one, that could add up) 360 users always say "PSN lags" the truth is psn games have a latency just as much as 360 in nonexclusive games, but for ps3 exclusives Sony has Dedicated Servers (the only thing that make games like Resistance 2 online (with 60 players) Or MAG (256 players) work. (warhawk - 40). Killzone 2 online (32) , also has dedicated servers and never lags like games with p2p only. (Halo 3 - 16 players) (Gears 2 - 10 players) (peer 2 peer) Dedicated servers are needed for big games with almost zero lag. They may be more of a hassle fo developers to produce, but even after the xbl fee, MS has made no game on 360 with dedicated servers Im am not saying p2p constantly lags (COD4 & W@W hardly had any), but it is a large DISadvantage from dedicated. (especially for big games)Playstation is also 100% free online with any game. PS i acually wish X360 would start using dedicated, i would then be able to play gears 2 online!

Explaining the difference

P2P - Peer to peer, player 2 player (one lags, we all lag)

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Dedicated, all going through one server (and ^^^^ They have to pay for that?)

PS3

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#2 ps3_owns_360Wii
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PS3 exclusives are amazing when it comes to online, i havent lagged once in any of them

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#3 deactivated-5e9044657a310
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is deticated anything like dedicated?
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#4 Floppy_Jim
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Warhawk actually has 40 players.

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#5 StealthKnife
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PS3 exclusives are amazing when it comes to online, i havent lagged once in any of them

ps3_owns_360Wii

true, i just put this up because i am sick of 360 fanboys saying "psn lags" keep paying for xbl for p2p

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#6 seannn199
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for games like killzone 2, its perfect no 360 game can beat it, i've not experienced any lag once yet, no problems whatsoever

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#7 rsoxguy12
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I mean its pretty obvious...Resistance 2 60 player, no lag. Warhawk, 40 player (I think) no lag. Gears of War/Halo, 2 of Microsoft's biggest games, both lag.

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#8 StealthKnife
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is deticated anything like dedicated?Nuck81
you got me there! i fixed it tho
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#9 tylergamereview
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I would consider this argument in a higher regard if you knew how to spell dedicated.

Edit: There we go! Now I agree with you.

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#10 Great_Ragnarok
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dude I'm a huge 360 fan but I agree. xbox live is very poor. if it was free then I wouldn't complain. but MS has the audacity to charge users 50$ a year and make the user host? what on earth? I host but I also have to pay 50$ a year... for what?
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#11 ps3_owns_360Wii
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[QUOTE="ps3_owns_360Wii"]

PS3 exclusives are amazing when it comes to online, i havent lagged once in any of them

StealthKnife

true, i just put this up because i am sick of 360 fanboys saying "psn lags" keep paying for xbl for p2p

only 3rd party games i lag, but not as much as i lag with live

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#12 -Sniper99-
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For the big exclusives (Killzone 2, Resistance 2, Warhawk) then yes. There's no lag in any of those games. Even if you have a **** connection like me, you can still play all day with no lag.
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#13 StealthKnife
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[QUOTE="StealthKnife"]

[QUOTE="ps3_owns_360Wii"]

PS3 exclusives are amazing when it comes to online, i havent lagged once in any of them

ps3_owns_360Wii

true, i just put this up because i am sick of 360 fanboys saying "psn lags" keep paying for xbl for p2p

only 3rd party games i lag, but not as much as i lag with live

do you own live? just a question you name really make me think not, unless you are just pointing at the truth
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yeah... but... but.. but... we get cross game chat ... thats worth $50/yr right? lol
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#15 StealthKnife
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yeah... but... but.. but... we get cross game chat ... thats worth $50/yr right? lolfrankberns
actually we do to! i think i know what your talking about...
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#16 JigglyWiggly_
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Xbox 360 wins because it has satanic star crossing them. lol and not all 360 games are p2p.

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Fact: Lag still happens in any game even if it has decicated servers
Fact: There are some games on xbox live that have decicated servers Left 4 dead is one of them
Fact: Pc has many many many more games with deicated servers than the ps3 does
Fact: Many ps3 games run p2p

Reasoning for lag on xbox live: You are probaly running a bad connection to start with and you then plug in your laptop while in the match and decide to watch some youtube videos you then are in a private chat with 7 other people running wirless and your sister is also on her computer. You then connect up to 7 other players. Your from new york, your best buddy is from calafornia, another guy is from mexico, another from great britain, and then some guys from canada. Your host also has a very bad connection. You end up owning the team and in the middle of the match the host decides to quit thus the game trys to establish a new host thats why you get lag most likely.

If you want to see me play rainbow 6 vegas 2 when ever I host you dont get any notticable lag in the match but no decicated servers. Ill go ahead and take videos of it but then you bash me with a make up video you found on youtube running a lag switch. In the end its not really a big deal and if its that important Go play on a pc which of you cows do

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#18 Kickinurass
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Xbox Live has games with dedicated servers. Less than PSN, yes, but neither service has that many games that run on a dedicated server.

Sony seems to be more supporting of supplying first party games with dedicated servers though, so kudos to them.

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But wait a minute. I have played with people in LittleBigPlanet, and experienced massive lag. There were times when it would take around 20 seconds for all of the movemes I had made to register, and then they all happen really fast. This is an extreme case of lag, is it not? My internet connection was at a hundred percent, but this happens every few games. Is LittleBigPlanet different from other PS3 games?
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Xbox 360 wins because it has satanic star crossing them. lol and not all 360 games are p2p.

JigglyWiggly_

LOL...... and the ps3 diagram looks to be some kind of chute!

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Fact: Lag still happens in any game even if it has decicated servers
Fact: There are some games on xbox live that have decicated servers Left 4 dead is one of them
Fact: Pc has many many many more games with deicated servers than the ps3 does
Fact: Many ps3 games run p2p

Reasoning for lag on xbox live: You are probaly running a bad connection to start with and you then plug in your laptop while in the match and decide to watch some youtube videos you then are in a private chat with 7 other people running wirless and your sister is also on her computer. You then connect up to 7 other players. Your from new york, your best buddy is from calafornia, another guy is from mexico, another from great britain, and then some guys from canada. Your host also has a very bad connection. You end up owning the team and in the middle of the match the host decides to quit thus the game trys to establish a new host thats why you get lag most likely.

If you want to see me play rainbow 6 vegas 2 when ever I host you dont get any notticable lag in the match but no decicated servers. Ill go ahead and take videos of it but then you bash me with a make up video you found on youtube running a lag switch. In the end its not really a big deal and if its that important Go play on a pc which of you cows do

druggyjoe3000

you forgot one fact...PSN doesn't charge people.

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#22 LOXO7
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Its because 360 there are more people who use the wifi adapter than PS3...:P

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#23 opex07
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1. There are games with dedicated servers on xbox live, Frontlines, shadowrun, L4D, battlefield modern combat, etc...

2. Both PSN and Xbox live use client based networks, not peer to peer for the majority of their games.

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[QUOTE="StealthKnife"]

[QUOTE="ps3_owns_360Wii"]

PS3 exclusives are amazing when it comes to online, i havent lagged once in any of them

true, i just put this up because i am sick of 360 fanboys saying "psn lags" keep paying for xbl for p2p

Are you guys serious with this? Play KZ2 and tell me it doesn't lag or COD4. PSN lags, XBL lags and so do games on the PC. Lag is an unavoidable result of playing games online. EVERY game lags and PSN is no exception. In fact I've had a far better experience on XBL than PSN when it comes to lagging.
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[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="StealthKnife"]

[QUOTE="ps3_owns_360Wii"]

PS3 exclusives are amazing when it comes to online, i havent lagged once in any of them

true, i just put this up because i am sick of 360 fanboys saying "psn lags" keep paying for xbl for p2p

Are you guys serious with this? Play KZ2 and tell me it doesn't lag or COD4. PSN lags, XBL lags and so do games on the PC. Lag is an unavoidable result of playing games online. EVERY game lags and PSN is no exception. In fact I've had a far better experience on XBL than PSN when it comes to lagging.

yeah but who still charges for a system that lags? xbox live! who restricts access to your multiplayer features of your payed product? Xbox live. ask your self, if users are the ones that end up hosting games then what on earth are you paying 50$ for? in 4 years you would have spent enough money to buy a 360 core.
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yeah... but... but.. but... we get cross game chat ... thats worth $50/yr right? lolfrankberns

Actually to me, it is.

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#27 ps3_owns_360Wii
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[QUOTE="ps3_owns_360Wii"]

[QUOTE="StealthKnife"] true, i just put this up because i am sick of 360 fanboys saying "psn lags" keep paying for xbl for p2p

StealthKnife

only 3rd party games i lag, but not as much as i lag with live

do you own live? just a question you name really make me think not, unless you are just pointing at the truth

i do own a 360 and wii, the user name owns ps3360wii wasnt available

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Only game that has lagged for me is Socom...and that is because lazy ass Slant **** games does not want to fix anything...they are the worst developer I have ever bought a game from. All they do is lie and fail to fix problems by making new problems.

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#29 ps3_owns_360Wii
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[QUOTE="StealthKnife"]

[QUOTE="ps3_owns_360Wii"]

PS3 exclusives are amazing when it comes to online, i havent lagged once in any of them

kingtito

true, i just put this up because i am sick of 360 fanboys saying "psn lags" keep paying for xbl for p2p

Are you guys serious with this? Play KZ2 and tell me it doesn't lag or COD4. PSN lags, XBL lags and so do games on the PC. Lag is an unavoidable result of playing games online. EVERY game lags and PSN is no exception. In fact I've had a far better experience on XBL than PSN when it comes to lagging.

kz2 has never lagged for me, it must be your internet connection

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#30 heretrix
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Not all games on PSN have dedicated servers. And there are some XBL games that use them. I just love when people bust their humps just to prove how ignorant they are about certain things.

Sony's first (and some second)party multiplayer games use dedicated servers and they kick ass. ALL OTHER GAMES USE THE SAME METHOD AS XBL.

Both networks can be terribly laggy.

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Only game that has lagged for me is Socom...and that is because lazy ass Slant **** games does not want to fix anything...they are the worst developer I have ever bought a game from. All they do is lie and fail to fix problems by making new problems.

Kahuna_1

now socom alway lags for me, i hate it

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#32 silverammo
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u got a point resistance 2 has 60 players playing at the same time and there is no lag at all not a hinch

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#33 Kahuna_1
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[QUOTE="Kahuna_1"]

Only game that has lagged for me is Socom...and that is because lazy ass Slant **** games does not want to fix anything...they are the worst developer I have ever bought a game from. All they do is lie and fail to fix problems by making new problems.

ps3_owns_360Wii

now socom alway lags for me, i hate it

Yes, we all hate it, except Slant Six. They seem to love watching people lag.

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#34 ps3_owns_360Wii
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[QUOTE="ps3_owns_360Wii"]

[QUOTE="Kahuna_1"]

Only game that has lagged for me is Socom...and that is because lazy ass Slant **** games does not want to fix anything...they are the worst developer I have ever bought a game from. All they do is lie and fail to fix problems by making new problems.

Kahuna_1

now socom alway lags for me, i hate it

Yes, we all hate it, except Slant Six. They seem to love watching people lag.

they must watch the matches and just laugh at us

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But wait a minute. I have played with people in LittleBigPlanet, and experienced massive lag. There were times when it would take around 20 seconds for all of the movemes I had made to register, and then they all happen really fast. This is an extreme case of lag, is it not? My internet connection was at a hundred percent, but this happens every few games. Is LittleBigPlanet different from other PS3 games?tylergamereview
same and i have a 20 meg connection
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I like them both as it's fun to play with friends online.
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#37 Steppy_76
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[QUOTE="druggyjoe3000"]

Fact: Lag still happens in any game even if it has decicated servers
Fact: There are some games on xbox live that have decicated servers Left 4 dead is one of them
Fact: Pc has many many many more games with deicated servers than the ps3 does
Fact: Many ps3 games run p2p

Reasoning for lag on xbox live: You are probaly running a bad connection to start with and you then plug in your laptop while in the match and decide to watch some youtube videos you then are in a private chat with 7 other people running wirless and your sister is also on her computer. You then connect up to 7 other players. Your from new york, your best buddy is from calafornia, another guy is from mexico, another from great britain, and then some guys from canada. Your host also has a very bad connection. You end up owning the team and in the middle of the match the host decides to quit thus the game trys to establish a new host thats why you get lag most likely.

If you want to see me play rainbow 6 vegas 2 when ever I host you dont get any notticable lag in the match but no decicated servers. Ill go ahead and take videos of it but then you bash me with a make up video you found on youtube running a lag switch. In the end its not really a big deal and if its that important Go play on a pc which of you cows do

Great_Ragnarok

you forgot one fact...PSN doesn't charge people.

You left something out also, EVERY 360 game is interconnected through live. And ALL games have features they MUST support. You get much greater standardization from love and in addition MS providing the libraries leads to situations where Xbox versions of games have online while the PS3 counterpart does not.

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#38 StealthKnife
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Fact: Lag still happens in any game even if it has decicated servers
Fact: There are some games on xbox live that have decicated servers Left 4 dead is one of them
Fact: Pc has many many many more games with deicated servers than the ps3 does
Fact: Many ps3 games run p2p

Reasoning for lag on xbox live: You are probaly running a bad connection to start with and you then plug in your laptop while in the match and decide to watch some youtube videos you then are in a private chat with 7 other people running wirless and your sister is also on her computer. You then connect up to 7 other players. Your from new york, your best buddy is from calafornia, another guy is from mexico, another from great britain, and then some guys from canada. Your host also has a very bad connection. You end up owning the team and in the middle of the match the host decides to quit thus the game trys to establish a new host thats why you get lag most likely.

If you want to see me play rainbow 6 vegas 2 when ever I host you dont get any notticable lag in the match but no decicated servers. Ill go ahead and take videos of it but then you bash me with a make up video you found on youtube running a lag switch. In the end its not really a big deal and if its that important Go play on a pc which of you cows do

druggyjoe3000

i love PC gaming, it is the best, you are just pointing that out because it make you feel better that you dont own a ps3! lol call me a cow? add my steam account : soad100100 you just brought up pc because x360 is a wanna be pc

Xbox Live has games with dedicated servers. Less than PSN, yes, but neither service has that many games that run on a dedicated server.

Sony seems to be more supporting of supplying first party games with dedicated servers though, so kudos to them.

Kickinurass

l4d is the only game i know off thats has DED servers

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#39 StealthKnife
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[QUOTE="Kahuna_1"]

Only game that has lagged for me is Socom...and that is because lazy ass Slant **** games does not want to fix anything...they are the worst developer I have ever bought a game from. All they do is lie and fail to fix problems by making new problems.

ps3_owns_360Wii

now socom alway lags for me, i hate it

acually, it used to lag like a beach (without sunscreen) with 3 months of patches its just as good as cod4 (it used to be like gears 2)
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#40 StealthKnife
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[QUOTE="Great_Ragnarok"]

[QUOTE="druggyjoe3000"]

Fact: Lag still happens in any game even if it has decicated servers
Fact: There are some games on xbox live that have decicated servers Left 4 dead is one of them
Fact: Pc has many many many more games with deicated servers than the ps3 does
Fact: Many ps3 games run p2p

Reasoning for lag on xbox live: You are probaly running a bad connection to start with and you then plug in your laptop while in the match and decide to watch some youtube videos you then are in a private chat with 7 other people running wirless and your sister is also on her computer. You then connect up to 7 other players. Your from new york, your best buddy is from calafornia, another guy is from mexico, another from great britain, and then some guys from canada. Your host also has a very bad connection. You end up owning the team and in the middle of the match the host decides to quit thus the game trys to establish a new host thats why you get lag most likely.

If you want to see me play rainbow 6 vegas 2 when ever I host you dont get any notticable lag in the match but no decicated servers. Ill go ahead and take videos of it but then you bash me with a make up video you found on youtube running a lag switch. In the end its not really a big deal and if its that important Go play on a pc which of you cows do

Steppy_76

you forgot one fact...PSN doesn't charge people.

You left something out also, EVERY 360 game is interconnected through live. And ALL games have features they MUST support. You get much greater standardization from love and in addition MS providing the libraries leads to situations where Xbox versions of games have online while the PS3 counterpart does not.

EVERY ps3 game goes through psn? (except for MGO) and this is what i mean by "im paying for something, so i must be getteing it better)

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#41 StealthKnife
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[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="StealthKnife"]

[QUOTE="ps3_owns_360Wii"]

PS3 exclusives are amazing when it comes to online, i havent lagged once in any of them

true, i just put this up because i am sick of 360 fanboys saying "psn lags" keep paying for xbl for p2p

Are you guys serious with this? Play KZ2 and tell me it doesn't lag or COD4. PSN lags, XBL lags and so do games on the PC. Lag is an unavoidable result of playing games online. EVERY game lags and PSN is no exception. In fact I've had a far better experience on XBL than PSN when it comes to lagging.

really? i have never gotten lag on killzone 2? (well its only been out for a week)
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#42 Immortalxzx
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Certain games like Resistance 2 but thats about it Multiplats usually run better on Live
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#43 StealthKnife
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[QUOTE="Immortalxzx"]Certain games like Resistance 2 but thats about it Multiplats usually run better on Live

i disagree, it is reasonable the exact same. Lag comes and goes with games on multiplat on both consoles (and believe me its better on PSN if you hook it up wired)
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#44 Stevie_Q
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[QUOTE="StealthKnife"][QUOTE="ps3_owns_360Wii"]

only 3rd party games i lag, but not as much as i lag with live

ps3_owns_360Wii

do you own live? just a question you name really make me think not, unless you are just pointing at the truth

i do own a 360 and wii, the user name owns ps3360wii wasnt available

And ps3_owns_360Wii is a logical choice when you can`t have love for all sytems, right? Anyways, this issue is not so black and white. There games on 360 that consitently connect without any lag, and games on PS3 that have terrible lag. It's impossible to say that one system lags more than the other, period.
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#45 StealthKnife
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[QUOTE="ps3_owns_360Wii"]

[QUOTE="StealthKnife"] do you own live? just a question you name really make me think not, unless you are just pointing at the truthStevie_Q

i do own a 360 and wii, the user name owns ps3360wii wasnt available

And ps3_owns_360Wii is a logical choice when you can`t have love for all sytems, right? Anyways, this issue is not so black and white. There games on 360 that consitently connect without any lag, and games on PS3 that have terrible lag. It's impossible to say that one system lags more than the other, period.

lol fanboys left and right - would you really know ?? you dont own a ps3 >> your sig (other posts on this site) tell me you are 100% fanboy... All of this is out of your ear
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#46 heretrix
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[QUOTE="Stevie_Q"][QUOTE="ps3_owns_360Wii"]

i do own a 360 and wii, the user name owns ps3360wii wasnt available

StealthKnife

And ps3_owns_360Wii is a logical choice when you can`t have love for all sytems, right? Anyways, this issue is not so black and white. There games on 360 that consitently connect without any lag, and games on PS3 that have terrible lag. It's impossible to say that one system lags more than the other, period.

lol fanboys left and right - would you really know ?? you dont own a ps3 >> your sig (other posts on this site) tell me you are 100% fanboy... All of this is out of your ear

Too bad for you that he's right and you are the one coming off like a fanboy.All systems connected to the internet have lag. It's impossible not to.

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#47 Ciocio7
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xbox live has horrible lag

play lumines on xboxlive and play against other people online with lumines...every other match is a lag fest, like stop motion animation almost

i cant stand xbox games either they lag, or has slow and sluggish gameplay offline

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#48 ps3_owns_360Wii
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[QUOTE="ps3_owns_360Wii"]

[QUOTE="StealthKnife"] do you own live? just a question you name really make me think not, unless you are just pointing at the truthStevie_Q

i do own a 360 and wii, the user name owns ps3360wii wasnt available

And ps3_owns_360Wii is a logical choice when you can`t have love for all sytems, right? Anyways, this issue is not so black and white. There games on 360 that consitently connect without any lag, and games on PS3 that have terrible lag. It's impossible to say that one system lags more than the other, period.

but im saying that games on live lag more than on psn from my experiences

EDIT: even if i chose 360 owns ps3wii or wii owns 360ps3, i would still get flamed for my name.

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#49 Steppy_76
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[QUOTE="Stevie_Q"][QUOTE="ps3_owns_360Wii"]

i do own a 360 and wii, the user name owns ps3360wii wasnt available

ps3_owns_360Wii

And ps3_owns_360Wii is a logical choice when you can`t have love for all sytems, right? Anyways, this issue is not so black and white. There games on 360 that consitently connect without any lag, and games on PS3 that have terrible lag. It's impossible to say that one system lags more than the other, period.

but im saying that games on live lag more than on psn from my experiences

EDIT: even if i chose 360 owns ps3wii or wii owns 360ps3, i would still get flamed for my name.

but that name pretty much removes any chance of things you say concerning systems being given any credence. IMO it isn't a good idea to pick a name like that if you want people to actually listen to what you say, as it paints you as biased before you even type anything.

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#50 bri360
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PS3 exclusives are amazing when it comes to online, i havent lagged once in any of them

ps3_owns_360Wii

Same here. Live is always so laggy becuase of users with horrible connections.