Polygon Slams Dragons Crown with a 6.5/10 due to objectification of women.

This political correctness needs to die. clyde46

I too think that exagerated boobies are unnecessary.

However i also agree that it makes no sense to complain about women objectification when brutal games with lots of deaths and gore are standard around the industry... i doubt gta5 will have low scores because of that...

I too think that exagerated boobies are unnecessary.

 

However i also agree that it makes no sense to complain about women objectification when brutal games with lots of deaths and gore are standard around the industry... i doubt gta5 will have low scores because of that...

Elitro

[QUOTE="Elitro"]

I too think that exagerated boobies are unnecessary.

However i also agree that it makes no sense to complain about women objectification when brutal games with lots of deaths and gore are standard around the industry... i doubt gta5 will have low scores because of that...

Zuzuvela

Why would they find it insulting unless of course they are insecure to begin with. It's not meant to be realistic. Most women I know would find it more funny than anything, I mean the sorceress especially her anatomy is just rediculous.

That would be like me playing gears of war and feeling insulted because my neck isn't the size of a tree trunk.

[QUOTE="Elitro"]

I too think that exagerated boobies are unnecessary.

 

However i also agree that it makes no sense to complain about women objectification when brutal games with lots of deaths and gore are standard around the industry... i doubt gta5 will have low scores because of that...

Zuzuvela

Relevant to this thread.....

[QUOTE="Zuzuvela"][QUOTE="Elitro"]

I too think that exagerated boobies are unnecessary.

 

However i also agree that it makes no sense to complain about women objectification when brutal games with lots of deaths and gore are standard around the industry... i doubt gta5 will have low scores because of that...

ReadingRainbow4

Why would they find it insulting unless of course they are insecure to begin with. It's not meant to be realistic. Most women I know would find it more funny than anything, I mean the sorceress especially her anatomy is just rediculous.

That would be like me playing gears of war and feeling insulted because my kneck isn't the size of a tree trunk.

Im just talking in general and TBH, in regards to the character design, dont really care about it (which, as a guy, I was never gonna be relate to the issue though) but honestly dont think there is enough for it to be classed as insulting/offensive

My point was in his comparison to marking a game down for objectification of women would be based on the same ideals as marking a game down for showing too much gore, with them as two different areas of discussion of content in games as Blood/Gore is more of a Moral issue whereas as this would fall in line to how people interpret it (ie being insulted or offended for it which this review clearly did)

However, if there is another issue like this soon (which,is pretty likely) a game should be marked down if it can be logically explained how the game is insulting/offensive to certain members of its possible audience 

Gotta say, I'm dreading when Feminist Frequency tackles this game. Because you know it's gonna happen.

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="Zuzuvela"] In my opinion, the question isnt so much the morals of the character design that would result in marking the game down, its whether any women who are playing the game would find it insulting.Zuzuvela

Why would they find it insulting unless of course they are insecure to begin with. It's not meant to be realistic. Most women I know would find it more funny than anything, I mean the sorceress especially her anatomy is just rediculous.

That would be like me playing gears of war and feeling insulted because my kneck isn't the size of a tree trunk.

But that's just another way to state that art is subjective, should we dock points on something just because it has elements of lewdness.

Michaelangelo would have been screwed, I mean hell this goes back to the beginning of time. I'm pretty sure there were cavepaintings of stick figures with giant boobs. Both the Greeks and the roman empire were absolutely obsessed with the male form, hell the romans viewed phallic imagery as a form of power.

I just believe docking a game for busty character models and provocative art a rather silly thing to do, it doesn't come off as professional in the slightest and makes me question the content.

[QUOTE="Zuzuvela"][QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

Why would they find it insulting unless of course they are insecure to begin with. It's not meant to be realistic. Most women I know would find it more funny than anything, I mean the sorceress especially her anatomy is just rediculous.

That would be like me playing gears of war and feeling insulted because my kneck isn't the size of a tree trunk.

ReadingRainbow4

But that's just another way to state that art is subjective, should we dock points on something just because it has elements of lewdness.

Michaelangelo would have been screwed, I mean hell this goes back to the beginning of time. I'm pretty sure there were cavepaintings of stick figures with giant boobs. Both the Greeks and the roman empire were absolutely obsessed with the male form, hell the romans viewed phallic imagery as a form of power.

I just believe docking a game for busty character models and provocative art a rather silly thing to do, it doesn't come off as professional in the slightest and makes me question the content.

Just read the review and while I don't agree with it its still just an opinion I still hold firm to the belief SW members lost the right to set standards long ago.

a point I made over there in the comments.

*looks at halo 4* cortana has breasts, an ass, and an hourglass figure shes naked or atleast close enough but has no nipples yet the game got a 9.5

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="Zuzuvela"] Im just talking in general and TBH, in regards to the character design, dont really care about it (which, as a guy, I was never gonna be relate to the issue though) but honestly dont think there is enough for it to be classed as insulting/offensive My point was in his comparison to marking a game down for objectification of women would be based on the same ideals as marking a game down for showing too much gore, with them as two different areas of discussion of content in games as Blood/Gore is more of a Moral issue whereas as this would fall in line to how people interpret it (ie being insulted or offended for it which this review clearly did) However, if there is another issue like this soon (which,is pretty likely) a game should be marked down if it can be logically explained how the game is insulting/offensive to certain members of its possible audience In Zuzuvela

But that's just another way to state that art is subjective, should we dock points on something just because it has elements of lewdness.

Michaelangelo would have been screwed, I mean hell this goes back to the beginning of time. I'm pretty sure there were cavepaintings of stick figures with giant boobs. Both the Greeks and the roman empire were absolutely obsessed with the male form, hell the romans viewed phallic imagery as a form of power.

I just believe docking a game for busty character models and provocative art a rather silly thing to do, it doesn't come off as professional in the slightest and makes me question the content.

I think there's a very big difference between what dragons crown supplies versus full fledged pornography. It's suggestive at best.

IF the game was originally marketed to children then I could see this being an issue, but it's not like you battle giant dicks with full frontal nudity. This argument kind of reminds me of what Shia labeouf said about how he believes Sex on film should be considered acting just as well.

Just read the review and while I don't agree with it its still just an opinion I still hold firm to the belief SW members lost the right to set standards long ago.

WilliamRLBaker

I never said I was setting standards, I presented a question to system wars about where we should draw the line on valid criticism.

[QUOTE="Zuzuvela"][QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

But that's just another way to state that art is subjective, should we dock points on something just because it has elements of lewdness.

Michaelangelo would have been screwed, I mean hell this goes back to the beginning of time. I'm pretty sure there were cavepaintings of stick figures with giant boobs. Both the Greeks and the roman empire were absolutely obsessed with the male form, hell the romans viewed phallic imagery as a form of power.

I just believe docking a game for busty character models and provocative art a rather silly thing to do, it doesn't come off as professional in the slightest and makes me question the content.

ReadingRainbow4

I think there's a very big difference between what dragons crown supplies versus full fledged pornography. It's suggestive at best.

IF the game was originally marketed to children then I could see this being an issue, but it's not like you battle giant dicks with full frontal nudity. This argument kind of reminds me of what Shia labeouf said about how he believes Sex on film should be considered acting just as well.

Im not saying this applies to Dragons Crown

All Im stating is that issues such as a game being sexist, racist etc deserve to be docked points in any critical review

a point I made over there in the comments.

*looks at halo 4* cortana has breasts, an ass, and an hourglass figure shes naked or atleast close enough but has no nipples yet the game got a 9.5

 

WilliamRLBaker

Those who DON'T understand ART, should NOT review it!

It's just too much for their FEEBLE minds. :roll:

Haha, what the f*** is this? Is this actual art from the game?

Oh my god, it is. That is hilarious. Apparently there's other stuff in the game that's offensive in a less ridiculous manner, but that right there isn't offensive, that's just plain goddamn stupid. Whether in a good or a bad way I don't rightly know. Holy s***.

Who else thinks GTA V will get docked 5 points for having hookers, no strong female character types and women serving only as sex objects to the male character's power quest. Don't raise your hands too fast now.LordOfPoms

Haha, what the f*** is this? Is this actual art from the game?

Oh my god, it is. That is hilarious. Apparently there's other stuff in the game that's offensive in a less ridiculous manner, but that right there isn't offensive, that's just plain goddamn stupid. Whether in a good or a bad way I don't rightly know. Holy s***.

McStrongfast

she looks better in the game

[QUOTE="LordOfPoms"]Who else thinks GTA V will get docked 5 points for having hookers, no strong female character types and women serving only as sex objects to the male character's power quest. Don't raise your hands too fast now.redskins26rocs

[QUOTE="senses_fail_06"]

Burn in hell, you pompous fvcks. I avoid Polygon like the plague...it's hipster trash of the game world.

mems_1224

Reminds me of Frank Frazetta, if he made anime. Pretty cool actually.

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="senses_fail_06"]

Burn in hell, you pompous fvcks. I avoid Polygon like the plague...it's hipster trash of the game world.

Some-Mist

Reminds me of Frank Frazetta, if he made anime. Pretty cool actually.

uninspiredcup

Exactly, the whole game seems like an homage to old school fantasty.

[QUOTE="Some-Mist"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] where do you go then? ign? gamespot??? :lol:rilpas

If it takes away from the authors enjoyment of the game, then they can deduct points. The awesome thing about reviews are they are the authors opinion of the game, usually based on some scale. I couldn't play Tera because of how much it sexualized the women, and you bet that I would take points off for that if I actually reviewed the game and gave it a score.

People seem to forget that if you don't like the author's opinion (read score), then pick another reviewer, the internet is full of them. 

[QUOTE="redskins26rocs"][QUOTE="LordOfPoms"]Who else thinks GTA V will get docked 5 points for having hookers, no strong female character types and women serving only as sex objects to the male character's power quest. Don't raise your hands too fast now.LordOfPoms

That's a fair assessment too, but GTA hasn't had a single positive female character who isn't a hooker, criminal or working against you in it and yet reviewers will never call it out. Of course, GTA 4 was a major improvement in the storytelling from 3 to Vice City to San Andreas, so they've shown some serious maturity and chops -- but regardless, the game will have more negative "tropes" versus women than Dragon's Crown and get absolutely no flack for it.

You can literally walk down the street and see mass cleavage and girls wearing booty shorts all the time.

Women (not all mind you) tend to turn themselves into sex symbols all on thier own. So why is having 2 out of the 6 characters as kind of like a sex symbol a bad thing? Its fake boobs and fake a$$.

Pretty much

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Some-Mist"]I take it you don't read eurogamer? I think they are by far the most unbiased journalists in the industry. then again, I usually just stick to my own judgement based on trailers and neogaf for buying games. probably one of the only reasons I've been the only one on here for 2 years hyping the game - because I don't let the industry set my standards.Some-Mist

At this point I base my research off of indie media reviews and user reviews

Pretty much

Ballroompirate

Why did god create mellons in the first place.

and on the 7th day he rested, rofl.

Pretty much

Ballroompirate

Are we considered PC yet?

Poor form from them

[QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

Pretty much

ReadingRainbow4

Why did god create mellons in the first place.

and on the 7th day he rested, rofl.

On the 7th day he rested, and watched Football.

I don't have a problem with sexually attracted females in games or media, we love attractive things, I know some women who would seriously dump their current BF's with a night on the town with Robert Downey JR or Hugh Jackman (hell I'm a straight male and I think Hugh Jackman is an attractive dude), hell watching Wolverine he has his shirt off or in a tank top pretty much 80% of the movie.

I agree with Polygon. There is a lot of pretty much soft-core porn in there. The East needs to get their crap together and stop.Easyle

[QUOTE="LordOfPoms"][QUOTE="redskins26rocs"]
Well GTAV's Michael has a family with a wife and daughter (who seem like dramatic characters so it will have supporting females if the game really takes the story seriously it will be much more then sex objects to the male roles. redskins26rocs

That's a fair assessment too, but GTA hasn't had a single positive female character who isn't a hooker, criminal or working against you in it and yet reviewers will never call it out. Of course, GTA 4 was a major improvement in the storytelling from 3 to Vice City to San Andreas, so they've shown some serious maturity and chops -- but regardless, the game will have more negative "tropes" versus women than Dragon's Crown and get absolutely no flack for it.

[QUOTE="redskins26rocs"]

[QUOTE="LordOfPoms"]

That's a fair assessment too, but GTA hasn't had a single positive female character who isn't a hooker, criminal or working against you in it and yet reviewers will never call it out. Of course, GTA 4 was a major improvement in the storytelling from 3 to Vice City to San Andreas, so they've shown some serious maturity and chops -- but regardless, the game will have more negative "tropes" versus women than Dragon's Crown and get absolutely no flack for it.LordOfPoms

[QUOTE="McStrongfast"]

Haha, what the f*** is this? Is this actual art from the game?

 

Oh my god, it is. That is hilarious. Apparently there's other stuff in the game that's offensive in a less ridiculous manner, but that right there isn't offensive, that's just plain goddamn stupid. Whether in a good or a bad way I don't rightly know. Holy s***.

ReadingRainbow4

[IMGhttp://i.imgur.com/YJCenn8.jpg[/IMG]

she looks better in the game

[img]http://imgius.com/photos/20130801137540791167700.gif[/img

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="McStrongfast"]

Haha, what the f*** is this? Is this actual art from the game?

Oh my god, it is. That is hilarious. Apparently there's other stuff in the game that's offensive in a less ridiculous manner, but that right there isn't offensive, that's just plain goddamn stupid. Whether in a good or a bad way I don't rightly know. Holy s***.

McStrongfast

[IMGhttp://i.imgur.com/YJCenn8.jpg[/IMG]

she looks better in the game

[img]http://imgius.com/photos/20130801137540791167700.gif[/img

top or bottom, which one do you prefer.

Oh this is the one with t!t witch. :lol: