Prepare for de-throning, CoD4!!!!!

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]the sad thing is that CoD4 on hardcore is actualy closer to being a tactical shooter (and closer to original RainbowSix) than Vegas2 wil beAdrianWerner

Cod4 plays like every other CoD after the first one, when you hit a hard patch run up as far as you can and let your npc team kill everything.

How tactical is that?

Ermm...I've meant hardcore setting in multiplayer, not in SP. In singleplayer CoD4 is obviously pure arcade, but Vegas while more tactica than CoD4 in SP still isn't really realistic or really tactical.

[QUOTE="f50p90"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="f50p90"]TC When Rb6v sells 8 million get back to meRiverwolf007

f50p90 you be sure to pick up a copy of fiddy cent Bulletproof you know it's great because of how good it sold.

It doesn't matter, RB6v wont have as many players therefore it wont dethrone CoD4

Realistic =/= Tactical

Cod4 and Rb6v are both realistic,

Rb6V is tactical, Cod4 is not

My comment was more about using sales as proof of quality. Sales are proof of popularity.

Well the 'throne' would indicate popularity. I enjoy Rb6v, but theres no way it would take said 'throne' TC is referring to

Vegas is definetly more tactical than COD 4 in my opinion because you cant just run and gun Memoryitis

You can't even move and shoot at the same time...

Halo is back on top of xbox live, it was a week since when did it get dethroned again.

Anyway moving on Id say its gonna be close between Rainbow Six Vegas 2 and COD 4. Both are a bit overrated, then again so is Halo 3.

BUt all 3 do multiplayer extremely well. What puts Halo 3 and could put Rainbow SIx over the top is the feature set.

BEcause gameplay wise its pretty much apples and oranges.

Halo 3 is more run and gun, but in terms of team slayer is more about team work. WHere as COD 4 is forgiving in many ways to the running out like rambo, camping and then getting a big spree and then the chopper.

Which IMO the chopper and airstrike take away from some of the skill in COD 4, and especially with how easy it is to just cornor people in COD 4 to just spawn kill them all.

But i dont see Rainbow Six Vegas 2 dethroning COD 4, it did stomp Halo 3 for a week or 2. IT has all the hype around it because of how OVERHYPED Halo 3 got, so thus COD 4 looks like god to so many.

Halo is back on top of xbox live, it was a week since when did it get dethroned again.

jg4xchamp

If Halo is on top of XBL, add in the couple million PS3 users, and a few hundred thousand PC users, and Cod4 would be on top overall... right? :o

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

Halo is back on top of xbox live, it was a week since when did it get dethroned again.

f50p90

Sure it took 3 systems to dethrone Halo. But if Halo were multiplat then it's throne would be higher.

And R6vegas is multiplat

So in that sense if we are comparing multiplat vs multiplat, Halo wouldn't be in the converstation

Sure it took 3 systems to dethrone Halo. But if Halo were multiplat then it's throne would be higher.

And R6vegas is multiplat

So in that sense if we are comparing multiplat vs multiplat, Halo wouldn't be in the converstation

f50p90

The grandaddy of Modern Tactical Combat Simulation returns to take back it's title. Here it comes.

Uncle_Uzi

ROFL

LOL

:lol:

Please that is possibly the funniest statement ive read on SW in ages.

R6 Vegas is not a 'Modern Tactical Combat Simulation'

Its an arcade shooter

The originals were what you speak of - to a degree - Vegas does not deserve to be listed next to them in this sense.

[QUOTE="Uncle_Uzi"]

The grandaddy of Modern Tactical Combat Simulation returns to take back it's title. Here it comes.

skrat_01

ROFL

LOL

:lol:

Please that is possibly the funniest statement ive read on SW in ages.

R6 Vegas is not a 'Modern Tactical Combat Simulation'

Its an arcade shooter

The originals were what you speak of - to a degree - Vegas does not deserve to be listed next to them in this sense.

Rainbox six for the 360 was amazing, The campaign was great, COD4 is good, but R6V is much better. I would still choose that game over COD4 now.

there are so many ways to complete a level, and you actaully have to think about how to tackle a situation.

Plus the co-op way amazing, perfect. So was terrorist hunt, doing that split screen was amazing. Especially when you became pined down on multiple sides and the enemys are getting closer throwing grenades at you, its amazing.

thats what made it better, you had to think. Like when you had to rescue a hostage, there was one mission where you coud attack from a glass roof, and have your men stationed at the doors. You had to choose who to kill yourself firstand how to keep the hostage safe.

hopefully they wil;l make these bits even more difficult to make it more imemrsive.

I will get it for the ps3 this time thiugh for the online play. :D :D

Agreed; no prestige gimmick; it's just harder to rank up. I enjoyed R6V online more than COD4, so getting R6V2 is a no brainer. (not getting it straight away)

I liked that you could search the game type, and you could choose the map too; this is gooad and bad in some cases, the bad was that for Attack and Defend, most of the time people used Calypto Cassino map.

I love RB6V

:-)

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="Uncle_Uzi"]

The grandaddy of Modern Tactical Combat Simulation returns to take back it's title. Here it comes.

dru26

ROFL

LOL

:lol:

Please that is possibly the funniest statement ive read on SW in ages.

R6 Vegas is not a 'Modern Tactical Combat Simulation'

Its an arcade shooter

The originals were what you speak of - to a degree - Vegas does not deserve to be listed next to them in this sense.

Yes but that does not make it a "teh grandaddy of Modern Tactical Combat Simulation" does it?

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="Uncle_Uzi"]

The grandaddy of Modern Tactical Combat Simulation returns to take back it's title. Here it comes.

dru26

ROFL

LOL

:lol:

Please that is possibly the funniest statement ive read on SW in ages.

R6 Vegas is not a 'Modern Tactical Combat Simulation'

Its an arcade shooter

The originals were what you speak of - to a degree - Vegas does not deserve to be listed next to them in this sense.

Both are unrealistic, and neither are tactical nor simulations of combat.

R6V was not really a true tactical shooter. It was a merging of tactical shooters and arcade shooters. Had the pseudo-depth of a tactical and the run and gun of an arcade shooter.

CoD4 is just crap. I loved the SP to bits but the MP was just a shadow of the better games available. I guess the only reason its so popular is because the consolites finally got their hands on a decent 'realistic' shooter.

f50p90, you need to stop.

You know damned well that CoD4 is a realistic tactical shooter. Quit damage controlling by saying "they aren't in the same genre".

Rainbow Six: Vegas 2 will beat the crap out of CoD4, end of story. Accept it.

Uncle_Uzi

He has some personal vendetta against COD4.

[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"]

Two completely differenrt styled games, and frankly COD4 is more appealing to the masses. Learn more about your games.

Uncle_Uzi

HAHAHA

This is probably the most justifiable comparison of games in the history of man. These two games are in precisely the same genre. YOU sir need to learn more about your games. 8)

Mmm CoD4 is awesome, but I have no doubts that R6V2 is going to be equally as good, I guess we'll just have to wait and see..

Here comes Rainbow Six: Vegas 2

The grandaddy of Modern Tactical Combat Simulation returns to take back it's title. Here it comes.

An all the new game changing feature, A.C.E.S. allows players to evolve their character uniquely according to how they play. More headshots will unlock new Sniper Rifles. Killing a flash-banged opponent in close quarters will unlock new Combat Shotguns. This kind of system will create truly unique characters that allow for an RPG-like kind of player development.

Combined with the advanced avatar creator tool P.E.C., superior Tactical gameplay and an unprecedented 42 unlockable weapons, Rainbow Six: Vegas 2's multiplayer component is set to completely blow Call Of Duty 4's out of the water. In every way imaginable it will be superior. Elements of Gameplay that CoD4 borrowed from Rainbow Six such as ****Creation and Weapon Customization will be improved, and then the favor will be returned: fine additions such as the ability to shoot through cover and sprinting will be implemented into Vegas 2.

And the options for online gameplay are fully realized in Vegas 2. A full length 2-player online co-op campaign, 4-player online "Terrorist Hunt", and a gametype selection that nearly rivals that of Halo 3. These options for playing online ensure for always varying gameplay and constant thrills.

Rainbow Six: Vegas 2 is set to overthrow CoD4 and replace it as the premiere Modern Combat Simulator. Welcome back to Vegas, Team Rainbow. We'll brief you March 18th.

Uncle_Uzi

Uhhh.......no. Don't make me laugh.

Here comes Rainbow Six: Vegas 2

The grandaddy of Modern Tactical Combat Simulation returns to take back it's title. Here it comes.

An all the new game changing feature, A.C.E.S. allows players to evolve their character uniquely according to how they play. More headshots will unlock new Sniper Rifles. Killing a flash-banged opponent in close quarters will unlock new Combat Shotguns. This kind of system will create truly unique characters that allow for an RPG-like kind of player development.

Combined with the advanced avatar creator tool P.E.C., superior Tactical gameplay and an unprecedented 42 unlockable weapons, Rainbow Six: Vegas 2's multiplayer component is set to completely blow Call Of Duty 4's out of the water. In every way imaginable it will be superior. Elements of Gameplay that CoD4 borrowed from Rainbow Six such as Class-Creation and Weapon Customization will be improved, and then the favor will be returned: fine additions such as the ability to shoot through cover and sprinting will be implemented into Vegas 2.

And the options for online gameplay are fully realized in Vegas 2. A full length 2-player online co-op campaign, 4-player online "Terrorist Hunt", and a gametype selection that nearly rivals that of Halo 3. These options for playing online ensure for always varying gameplay and constant thrills.

Rainbow Six: Vegas 2 is set to overthrow CoD4 and replace it as the premiere Modern Combat Simulator. Welcome back to Vegas, Team Rainbow. We'll brief you March 18th.

Uncle_Uzi

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

f50p90, you need to stop.

You know damned well that CoD4 is a realistic tactical shooter. Quit damage controlling by saying "they aren't in the same genre".

Rainbow Six: Vegas 2 will beat the crap out of CoD4, end of story. Accept it.

Uncle_Uzi

It's not even close to a realistic tactical shooter........

Play Operation Flashpoint, ARMA, or any of the old Ghost Recons or R6's. Those are REAL tactical shooters.

All you people don't realize is this: Rainbow Six: Vegas is the best ever reviewed Rainbow game, because it is both accesible to the Hardore and the casual.

Besides, ask the MLG players; they will tell you this game is plenty tactical.

All you people don't realize is this: Rainbow Six: Vegas is the best ever reviewed Rainbow game, because it is both accesible to the Hardore and the casual.

Besides, ask the MLG players; they will tell you this game is plenty tactical.

Uncle_Uzi

And no the tactics in Vegas dont even scratch the surface of the real R6 games, I somehow doubt those MLG players had even played them before.....

And no Vegas on PC scored even with Raven Shield (33 vegas reviews, 105 Raven Shield reviews), and worse than Rouge Spear (38 reviews).

Sure it may suit consoles better, but ultimately it doesn't remotely compare to the original series.

Calling it 'tactical' next to the 1998 original is even laughable.

All you people don't realize is this: Rainbow Six: Vegas is the best ever reviewed Rainbow game, because it is both accesible to the Hardore and the casual.

Besides, ask the MLG players; they will tell you this game is plenty tactical.

Uncle_Uzi

Vegas is a joke compared to the older R6 games.

[QUOTE="Uncle_Uzi"]

All you people don't realize is this: Rainbow Six: Vegas is the best ever reviewed Rainbow game, because it is both accesible to the Hardore and the casual.

Besides, ask the MLG players; they will tell you this game is plenty tactical.

trix5817

Vegas is a joke compared to the older R6 games.

The older Rainbow games are too strategic to be more tactical than Vegas. Vegas has you think on your toes, and has you plan the mission in real time, with higher stakes than just a map. If you breach too soon or accidently fire off a round, the whole operation will go down the s***ter. And instead of giving your allies convieniently the right weapons for the right fights, Vegas forces you to understand the strengths and weaknesses of your teammates.

In fact, the only difference is that there is no planning before the mission. It's thrust upon you, and you need to think on your toes. If anything, Vegas is far more tactical than the older Rainbow games. Those were more strategic.

The older Rainbow games are too strategic to be more tactical than Vegas. Vegas has you think on your toes, and has you plan the mission in real time, with higher stakes than just a map. If you breach too soon or accidently fire off around, the whole operation will go down the s***ter. And instead of giving your allies convieniently the right weapons for the right fights, Vegas forces you to understand the strengths and weaknesses of your teammates.

In fact, the only difference is that there is no planning before the mission. It's thrust upon you, and you need to think on your toes. If anything, Vegas is far more tactical than the older Rainbow games. Those were more strategic.

Uncle_Uzi

Doesnt your first sentance contradict itself?

And the rest of that paragraph is aload of crap, no offence to you, but Vegas online on both Pc & 360, was mainly run n gun/wall/piller camping, that was it, very arcadey.

[QUOTE="Uncle_Uzi"]

The older Rainbow games are too strategic to be more tactical than Vegas. Vegas has you think on your toes, and has you plan the mission in real time, with higher stakes than just a map. If you breach too soon or accidently fire off around, the whole operation will go down the s***ter. And instead of giving your allies convieniently the right weapons for the right fights, Vegas forces you to understand the strengths and weaknesses of your teammates.

In fact, the only difference is that there is no planning before the mission. It's thrust upon you, and you need to think on your toes. If anything, Vegas is far more tactical than the older Rainbow games. Those were more strategic.

Meu2k7

Doesnt your first sentance contradict itself?

And the rest of that paragraph is aload of crap, no offence to you, but Vegas online on both Pc & 360, was mainly run n gun/wall/piller camping, that was it, very arcadey.

A) No, there is a difference between Strategy and Tactics.

B) Duh if you're going to just enter a random game it will be like that. When you play with people you know, then it gets really interesting.

The older Rainbow games are too strategic to be more tactical than Vegas. Vegas has you think on your toes, and has you plan the mission in real time, with higher stakes than just a map. If you breach too soon or accidently fire off a round, the whole operation will go down the s***ter. And instead of giving your allies convieniently the right weapons for the right fights, Vegas forces you to understand the strengths and weaknesses of your teammates.

In fact, the only difference is that there is no planning before the mission. It's thrust upon you, and you need to think on your toes. If anything, Vegas is far more tactical than the older Rainbow games. Those were more strategic.

Uncle_Uzi

Its a barstard child

And no its pretty clear you havent played any of the real Rainbow Six games that offered realistic scearios, and tactical combat.
Ugh just reading your 'wow R6 makes you think on your toes' paragraph is astounding. Ignorance at its best.

ROFL strengths and weaknesses of your team mates. Even MORE clear that you havent touched a real Rainbow Six game - that offered 30 individual chacters with traits, backgrounds, personalities, who were *gone* when they died in game.
Not to mention you could have to four, four man units, rather than a three man 'rambo squad'.

THERE ARE HUGE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO BESIDES PLANNING.

Also if you think there is no planning on your toes in the real R6 games, please stop. The game even had random enemy placement to enforce this.

Vegas is not more tacitcal, its an arcade shooter - thats IT

Why dont you go play some real Rainbow Six games, so we can have an INFORMED DEBATE

Im not saying you cant enjoy Vegas, and say its one of your favourite games, but seriously your argument simply doesent hold up against the reality of things.

Call of Duty 4 is realistic?..I've just lost all hope for humanity.

COD4 is an arcade shooter, end of story. Unless you can find me someone with the ability to run with an M60, stop in a split second and maintain perfect accuracy with no recoil in real life.

Or how about the unrealistic Desert Eagle? Yeah, I would love to see someone try to pull off that many shots while still maintaining perfect accuracy.

To the PC gamer that said Socom sucks, gtfoh. Socom 2 is one of the most realistic games in terms of how the guns shoot and how strong they are. It makes me feel more disappointed in mankind. You let fanboyism blind your eyes. If it was on PC you'd be all over it though.

To the other PC gamer that mentioned Crysis, the MP sucks get serious. Crysis shines in the singleplayer, that is it. You're even a bigger fanboy than the one who said Socom sucked, cause atleast he mentioned one of the best FPS ever (CS)

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="Uncle_Uzi"]

The older Rainbow games are too strategic to be more tactical than Vegas. Vegas has you think on your toes, and has you plan the mission in real time, with higher stakes than just a map. If you breach too soon or accidently fire off around, the whole operation will go down the s***ter. And instead of giving your allies convieniently the right weapons for the right fights, Vegas forces you to understand the strengths and weaknesses of your teammates.

In fact, the only difference is that there is no planning before the mission. It's thrust upon you, and you need to think on your toes. If anything, Vegas is far more tactical than the older Rainbow games. Those were more strategic.

Uncle_Uzi

Doesnt your first sentance contradict itself?

And the rest of that paragraph is aload of crap, no offence to you, but Vegas online on both Pc & 360, was mainly run n gun/wall/piller camping, that was it, very arcadey.

A) No, there is a difference between Strategy and Tactics.

B) Duh if you're going to just enter a random game it will be like that. When you play with people you know, then it gets really interesting.

With friends is no different ... for any shooter, sure you communicate more and move together, but the machanics still do not make the game more tactical than any other shooter... pop out from wall + shoot.

That's whats so good about Vegas, is that it skips all of the unnecesary crap and digs down to good, clean tactical action. You need to take recon by snaking doors, you need to prioritize targets, you need to breach, flash or frag enemies, you need you smash through windows. Vegas is great at putting you in intense tactical missions like "clear the entire Hotel" and "battle your way through a Dam", not the situations as seen in older Rainbow games. The game is broader and far more appealing to fans of shooters in general, while retaining a great sense of playing as an Elite Counterterrorist force.

Straight from the GS review:

"What elevates this chapter of Rainbow Six is the cutthroat tactical combat, which is far above anything seen in the series. The combat elevates the action for shooters in general, but Rainbow Six Vegas happens to arrive on the heels of the superb Gears of War, and it's eerie just how similar the combat systems in both games are. It's hard to say that one cribbed from the other, since both games were in development at the same time, but it's easy to get the feeling that the maturation of tactical combat is an idea whose time has finally come, and the result is a lot of intense action as you scramble for cover from all the bullets headed your way."

Maybe you were getting the wrong idea of what a tactical game should be from playing the older Rainbow games, because GS agrees with me, that Vegas is easily the best.

I can't wait. I've always said Rainbow Six Vegas was the best multiplayer game on the 360.