TC should have included a bluetooth headset (some 100 buck) or 5.1 surround system to the console costs. It doesn´t come included. You can´t play without sound.
Plus at least 50 bucks for psn/xlive yearly subscription.
You get a headset with both consoles and both consoles will output sound through a TV.
does the TV come with the Console?
If you want to play it off that venue, you might as well buy a $200 Vita for offscreen play, no TV needed. But I will need to plump down $250 for a 1440p monitor.
You don't need a 1440p monitor, especially with this budget build
TC should have included a bluetooth headset (some 100 buck) or 5.1 surround system to the console costs. It doesn´t come included. You can´t play without sound.
Plus at least 50 bucks for psn/xlive yearly subscription.
You get a headset with both consoles and both consoles will output sound through a TV.
does the TV come with the Console?
If you want to play it off that venue, you might as well buy a $200 Vita for offscreen play, no TV needed. But I will need to plump down $250 for a 1440p monitor.
You don't need a 1440p monitor, especially with this budget build
Eh? I thought all the hermits were running 1440p setups that made consoles obsolete...yet they use budget builds for their arguments.
TC should have included a bluetooth headset (some 100 buck) or 5.1 surround system to the console costs. It doesn´t come included. You can´t play without sound.
Plus at least 50 bucks for psn/xlive yearly subscription.
You get a headset with both consoles and both consoles will output sound through a TV.
does the TV come with the Console?
If you want to play it off that venue, you might as well buy a $200 Vita for offscreen play, no TV needed. But I will need to plump down $250 for a 1440p monitor.
It´s not much at all compared to 500$ 1080p LED TV set.
PC has an advantage here. PC monitors costs twice as cheap that TV, and have much better picture quality.
TC should have included a bluetooth headset (some 100 buck) or 5.1 surround system to the console costs. It doesn´t come included. You can´t play without sound.
Plus at least 50 bucks for psn/xlive yearly subscription.
You get a headset with both consoles and both consoles will output sound through a TV.
does the TV come with the Console?
If you want to play it off that venue, you might as well buy a $200 Vita for offscreen play, no TV needed. But I will need to plump down $250 for a 1440p monitor.
It´s not much at all compared to 500$ 1080p LED TV set.
PC has an advantage here. PC monitors costs twice as cheap that TV, and have much better picture quality.
1440p 250$ monitor >>> 1080p LED tv, picture quality wise.
Except in the real, non-basement dwelling world buying a TV is a much better investment. Especially with steam big picture and whatever the steam machine is going to be.
@lostrib: I have no idea. PC gaming is more expensive but you get far more value in the long run. I don't know why some PC games here insist on trying to convince us all PC gaming isn't expensive.
It depends on where you live. In Brasil, PS4 will cost 1800$. PC Gaming is cheeper in Latin America, China, Russia and many other countries that don´t get official support from Sony/MS.
TC should have included a bluetooth headset (some 100 buck) or 5.1 surround system to the console costs. It doesn´t come included. You can´t play without sound.
Plus at least 50 bucks for psn/xlive yearly subscription.
You get a headset with both consoles and both consoles will output sound through a TV.
does the TV come with the Console?
If you want to play it off that venue, you might as well buy a $200 Vita for offscreen play, no TV needed. But I will need to plump down $250 for a 1440p monitor.
It´s not much at all compared to 500$ 1080p LED TV set.
PC has an advantage here. PC monitors costs twice as cheap that TV, and have much better picture quality.
1440p 250$ monitor >>> 1080p LED tv, picture quality wise.
Except in the real, non-basement dwelling world buying a TV is a much better investment. Especially with steam big picture and whatever the steam machine is going to be.
In the real world, less and less people is watching cable tv, but they watch more Netflix and navigate facebook.
Therefore having a tv becomes more and more redundant.
TC should have included a bluetooth headset (some 100 buck) or 5.1 surround system to the console costs. It doesn´t come included. You can´t play without sound.
Plus at least 50 bucks for psn/xlive yearly subscription.
You get a headset with both consoles and both consoles will output sound through a TV.
does the TV come with the Console?
No, however you are more likely to have access to a TV compared to a monitor.
Eh? I thought all the hermits were running 1440p setups that made consoles obsolete...yet they use budget builds for their arguments.
PC can be frugal, or premium.
So TC should change misleading topic title to: Price comparison PS4 vs PC (marginally more powerful than PS4, significantly more expensive)
or just accept PC does not win in price, even with hobo builds.
Yeah, almost yeah.
PS4 is pretty tough to beat on the value front. The build in this thread is pretty good for the price, but there are holes in it. This build doesn't include windows and the TC's method of getting a free one .. I can't grant this,
there's no optical drive and although the value of it is debatable it still doesn't have one, nor does it have internal WIFI.
There are other different advantages / disadvantages etc, but I'm not so interested in discussing them. My conclusions is that PS4 is a pretty impressive offering for the price. Really good value.
TC should have included a bluetooth headset (some 100 buck) or 5.1 surround system to the console costs. It doesn´t come included. You can´t play without sound.
Plus at least 50 bucks for psn/xlive yearly subscription.
You get a headset with both consoles and both consoles will output sound through a TV.
does the TV come with the Console?
No, however you are more likely to have access to a TV compared to a monitor.
So use the TV for your PC then
Not if you don't have a flatscreen and I know a few people who still don't own one.
Eh? I thought all the hermits were running 1440p setups that made consoles obsolete...yet they use budget builds for their arguments.
PC can be frugal, or premium.
So TC should change misleading topic title to: Price comparison PS4 vs PC (marginally more powerful than PS4, significantly more expensive)
or just accept PC does not win in price, even with hobo builds.
significantly more expensive = £118 more expensive
marginally more powerful than PS4 = ~1.7 times more powerful CPU & ~1.8 times more powerful GPU
LOL
A 7950 is 1.8 times more powerful than a 7870? Prove it.
ps4 GPU 1.84TFlops this HD7950 is at 3.3TFlops (not to mention that you can OC and go to 4TFlops)
I have my 2 HD7950 at 1200Mhz output 4.3TFlops each, so total 8.6TFlops
This. And also don´t forget that PS4 GPU is weaker than an average PC build with 7870 as PS has a quite weak CPU. The benchmarks made for 7870 are made on PCs with i5/i7 CPUs and 8+GB of RAM.
Eh? I thought all the hermits were running 1440p setups that made consoles obsolete...yet they use budget builds for their arguments.
PC can be frugal, or premium.
So TC should change misleading topic title to: Price comparison PS4 vs PC (marginally more powerful than PS4, significantly more expensive)
or just accept PC does not win in price, even with hobo builds.
significantly more expensive = £118 more expensive
marginally more powerful than PS4 = ~1.7 times more powerful CPU & ~1.8 times more powerful GPU
LOL
A 7950 is 1.8 times more powerful than a 7870? Prove it.
ps4 GPU 1.84TFlops this HD7950 is at 3.3TFlops (not to mention that you can OC and go to 4TFlops)
I have my 2 HD7950 at 1200Mhz output 4.3TFlops each, so total 8.6TFlops
This. And also don´t forget that PS4 GPU is weaker than an average PC build with 7870 as PS has a quite weak CPU. The benchmarks made for 7870 are made on PCs with i5/i7 CPUs and 8+GB of RAM.
Though PS4 CPU has access to gddr5 ram and several high speed busses communicating with GPU, that the PC in turn doesn't have. CPU might seem bottlenecked looking at spec sheets but I doubt that.
Eh? I thought all the hermits were running 1440p setups that made consoles obsolete...yet they use budget builds for their arguments.
PC can be frugal, or premium.
So TC should change misleading topic title to: Price comparison PS4 vs PC (marginally more powerful than PS4, significantly more expensive)
or just accept PC does not win in price, even with hobo builds.
significantly more expensive = £118 more expensive
marginally more powerful than PS4 = ~1.7 times more powerful CPU & ~1.8 times more powerful GPU
LOL
£120 is fucking expensive dude.
But isn´t PC just more useful in all everyday uses.
The truth is consoles are just closed system PCs sold at a loss. If PCs were sold at a loss as well, the price difference would be non-existant.
Depends on what you consider useful.
Well. One needs PC anyway, right ? If you want to carry a normal life. Facebook, typing words documents for work/school, editing in Photoshop, skyping, using you google/yahoo email, etc, stuff like that.
Well. One needs PC anyway, right ? If you want to carry a normal life. Facebook, typing words documents for work/school, editing in Photoshop, skyping, using you google/yahoo email, etc, stuff like that.
Mmm yes PC is utilitarian, one of my favourite things about it. Gives the PC a lot of value.
Eh? I thought all the hermits were running 1440p setups that made consoles obsolete...yet they use budget builds for their arguments.
PC can be frugal, or premium.
So TC should change misleading topic title to: Price comparison PS4 vs PC (marginally more powerful than PS4, significantly more expensive)
or just accept PC does not win in price, even with hobo builds.
significantly more expensive = £118 more expensive
marginally more powerful than PS4 = ~1.7 times more powerful CPU & ~1.8 times more powerful GPU
LOL
£120 is fucking expensive dude.
But isn´t PC just more useful in all everyday uses.
The truth is consoles are just closed system PCs sold at a loss. If PCs were sold at a loss as well, the price difference would be non-existant.
Depends on what you consider useful.
Well. One needs PC anyway, right ? If you want to carry a normal life. Facebook, typing words documents for work/school, editing in Photoshop, skyping, using you google/yahoo email, etc, stuff like that.
Not everyone needs a PC, there's a reason we've seen tablet sales explode.
Eh? I thought all the hermits were running 1440p setups that made consoles obsolete...yet they use budget builds for their arguments.
PC can be frugal, or premium.
So TC should change misleading topic title to: Price comparison PS4 vs PC (marginally more powerful than PS4, significantly more expensive)
or just accept PC does not win in price, even with hobo builds.
significantly more expensive = £118 more expensive
marginally more powerful than PS4 = ~1.7 times more powerful CPU & ~1.8 times more powerful GPU
LOL
£120 is fucking expensive dude.
But isn´t PC just more useful in all everyday uses.
The truth is consoles are just closed system PCs sold at a loss. If PCs were sold at a loss as well, the price difference would be non-existant.
Depends on what you consider useful.
Well. One needs PC anyway, right ? If you want to carry a normal life. Facebook, typing words documents for work/school, editing in Photoshop, skyping, using you google/yahoo email, etc, stuff like that.
Not everyone needs a PC, there's a reason we've seen tablet sales explode.
PC's are dying. Tablets are great. Better adopt iOS and android now. :P
A £568 PC that is way more powerful than PS4 + 5 free games(bioshock infinite, crysis3 link, + radeon gold reward link)
VS
A £450 PS4 + 1 game (Watch dogs)
many console gamers will say that windows are missing, but the thing is that everyone have a copy of windows laying around, or can get a free copy from uni or from a friend etc
some will say that it is £118 more expensive, but ignoring the fact that it is way more powerful than PS4 and it comes with 5 free games, and it is a PC meaning that you can use it for everything, not just games.
also if you notice i didn't choose the cheapest components, for example i choose a quality PSU, I didn't choose the cheapest HD7950 but a one with aftermarket cooler and OC, I did NOT choose the cheapest case, etc
Soooo many things wrong with this.
1. That is the most expensive watch dogs bundle I have ever seen. The correct price for all bundles with 1 game seems to be £389. Where on earth did you find that bundle? Heck even separately you can get PS4 for £330 from Gamestop UK, and the game for £49 extra, which makes £379; but will stick with £389 for arguments sake.
2. Where is your keyboard and mouse? Add another £20 (£10 each) or so for average peripherals that won't break.
3. You can't just claim everyone has windows lying around. I have built computers for 4 friends in the past year, and not one of them, nor I, had a spare copy of windows to use, so had to be bought separately. Student deal was £30.00 for the OS.
4. Who on earth is Teamgroup Elite? (not affecting price as I think Corsair is same price for similar modules mind, but I have never heard of them)
Eh? I thought all the hermits were running 1440p setups that made consoles obsolete...yet they use budget builds for their arguments.
PC can be frugal, or premium.
So TC should change misleading topic title to: Price comparison PS4 vs PC (marginally more powerful than PS4, significantly more expensive)
or just accept PC does not win in price, even with hobo builds.
significantly more expensive = £118 more expensive
marginally more powerful than PS4 = ~1.7 times more powerful CPU & ~1.8 times more powerful GPU
LOL
£120 is fucking expensive dude.
But isn´t PC just more useful in all everyday uses.
The truth is consoles are just closed system PCs sold at a loss. If PCs were sold at a loss as well, the price difference would be non-existant.
Depends on what you consider useful.
Well. One needs PC anyway, right ? If you want to carry a normal life. Facebook, typing words documents for work/school, editing in Photoshop, skyping, using you google/yahoo email, etc, stuff like that.
Not everyone needs a PC, there's a reason we've seen tablet sales explode.
Tablets won´t never replace full featured PCs. Tablets are good for reading books and navigating internet. But if you ever pass through school/college/university, you will need a PC. Therefore PC is highly necessary in today´s life, or else try to type an essay on a 10´´ touch screen.
Eh? I thought all the hermits were running 1440p setups that made consoles obsolete...yet they use budget builds for their arguments.
PC can be frugal, or premium.
So TC should change misleading topic title to: Price comparison PS4 vs PC (marginally more powerful than PS4, significantly more expensive)
or just accept PC does not win in price, even with hobo builds.
significantly more expensive = £118 more expensive
marginally more powerful than PS4 = ~1.7 times more powerful CPU & ~1.8 times more powerful GPU
LOL
£120 is fucking expensive dude.
But isn´t PC just more useful in all everyday uses.
The truth is consoles are just closed system PCs sold at a loss. If PCs were sold at a loss as well, the price difference would be non-existant.
Depends on what you consider useful.
Well. One needs PC anyway, right ? If you want to carry a normal life. Facebook, typing words documents for work/school, editing in Photoshop, skyping, using you google/yahoo email, etc, stuff like that.
Not everyone needs a PC, there's a reason we've seen tablet sales explode.
Tablets won´t never replace full featured PCs. Tablets are good for reading books and navigating internet. But if you ever pass through school/college/university, you will need a PC. Therefore PC is highly necessary in today´s life, or else try to type an essay on a 10´´ touch screen.
Show me where I said that tablets would replace PC's. Also, if you look at uni students, most on the "tradtional" subjects are using £400 laptops from Curry's, hardly your uber powerful desktops.
Tablets have a universal appeal, they are cheap and simple to use. If you look at the number of people that bought laptops a few years ago, most of those people have now bought tablets because they fill their needs whilst being smaller, far more portable and normally cheaper.
I know the price of a PC is more expensive than a console. Mine personally cost about $650ish.
The difference that I see is I don't have to pay $50 a year for online, new games often cost less, and discounts are far better, and the mod scene means I don't have to spend $10-$15 to "expand" my games through paid DLC
PC gaming is the cheapest way to game from my experience. It's a bonus that it provides the best experience for so many games considering the price.
No OS and no blu-ray drive. If you want to compare hardware you should at include all of the features of the PS4. You're also assuming you have a keyboard/mouse as the PS4 does come with a controller for input. You would be surprised how many people only have a mouse laying around as since the rise of laptops people don't have keyboards just everywhere.
Furthermore if we want to look at that PC as a PC compared to other PC's it's not very good. It won't last you as long as a PS4 will. Eventually even the console ports on the PC will require more hardware than that PC has while they will still fit a version on the PS4/Xbox One.
So we need ot match all the PS4 capabilities? OK, so blu ray is another $30, and keyboard and mouse, another $50.
Now, can the PS4 run photoshop and premier? how about visual studio? Cna it hold my 400 gigs of high quality audio files? What about my terrabyte of blu-ray rips? AND also stream them accross my home.
No OS and no blu-ray drive. If you want to compare hardware you should at include all of the features of the PS4. You're also assuming you have a keyboard/mouse as the PS4 does come with a controller for input. You would be surprised how many people only have a mouse laying around as since the rise of laptops people don't have keyboards just everywhere.
Furthermore if we want to look at that PC as a PC compared to other PC's it's not very good. It won't last you as long as a PS4 will. Eventually even the console ports on the PC will require more hardware than that PC has while they will still fit a version on the PS4/Xbox One.
So we need ot match all the PS4 capabilities? OK, so blu ray is another $30, and keyboard and mouse, another $50.
Now, can the PS4 run photoshop and premier? how about visual studio? Cna it hold my 400 gigs of high quality audio files? What about my terrabyte of blu-ray rips? AND also stream them accross my home.
In typical PC blower, lying fashion, he leaves out absolute necessities and then ASSumes the purchaser "already has it". From the OS to MANDATORY input devices like kb, mouse, and controller. (Some people, myself included, bid goodbye to desktops years ago and prefer laptops. Haven't owned a desktop style in over 5 years).
You shit-for-brain lying PC blowers need a new gimmick.
No OS and no blu-ray drive. If you want to compare hardware you should at include all of the features of the PS4. You're also assuming you have a keyboard/mouse as the PS4 does come with a controller for input.
Furthermore if we want to look at that PC as a PC compared to other PC's it's not very good. It won't last you as long as a PS4 will. Eventually even the console ports on the PC will require more hardware than that PC has while they will still fit a version on the PS4/Xbox One.
I already explain myself for the OS, also you don't need a blu-ray drive or any drive, and everyone have a keyboard/mouse laying around.
also you need to take in to account that i didn't add the cost from online that you need very year for ps4.
This pc will still play games with better graphics and performance than consoles even after years.
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