TC should have included a bluetooth headset (some 100 buck) or 5.1 surround system to the console costs. It doesn´t come included. You can´t play without sound.
Plus at least 50 bucks for psn/xlive yearly subscription.
You get a headset with both consoles and both consoles will output sound through a TV.
does the TV come with the Console?
If you want to play it off that venue, you might as well buy a $200 Vita for offscreen play, no TV needed. But I will need to plump down $250 for a 1440p monitor.
It´s not much at all compared to 500$ 1080p LED TV set.
PC has an advantage here. PC monitors costs twice as cheap that TV, and have much better picture quality.
1440p 250$ monitor >>> 1080p LED tv, picture quality wise.
Except in the real, non-basement dwelling world buying a TV is a much better investment. Especially with steam big picture and whatever the steam machine is going to be.
Depends on your situation. I didn't own a TV as a college student for 4 years ( we had one in our common room for our dorm), and I don't have one set up as a graduate student
You forgot the DVD drive and OS as well as a monitor.
Why monitor?
Play on your TV
While I can do that, most here can't because unlike me, they aren't the man of the house and mommy and/or daddy won't allow them to use the TV with their PC. Anyways to answer your question. Because it is needed to display your games.
Except for those day one patches you need to download
Nope, that patch aren't needed to play games.
they are if you want to play online, watch Bluray/DVDs, and use party chat
Show me a link saying you can't play online day one. I know you can't play Blu_ray and have other features missing without the patch, but I haven't heard crap about not being able to play online. Not saying you are lying, but this is SW. I don't believe anybody without a link.
Except for those day one patches you need to download
Nope, that patch aren't needed to play games.
they are if you want to play online, watch Bluray/DVDs, and use party chat
Show me a link saying you can't play online day one. I know you can't play Blu_ray and have other features missing without the patch, but I haven't heard crap about not being able to play online. Not saying you are lying, but this is SW. I don't believe anybody without a link.
"The system software update 1.50 is approximately 300 MB, and will include the following features:
Online Multiplayer PlayStation Plus members will be able to play PS4 titles online with other players via the network. PS Plus makes it easy for members to join available online multiplayer matches in a variety of ways, including the ability to easily join a game from a live stream broadcast or Party voice chats."
@Wasdie: I'm with you. PC gaming is expensive..so if you're just going to get a high end PC just for gaming i would say don't do it. It will not be worth it in the end, However if you do spend time on your PC not just for playing games but doing other things, such as designing, messing around with video editing, photoshoping w/e you do that requires a Pc then yes a higher price PC would be better. PC is not a gaming console it's a lot more, that's why is more expensive. If you just want to play games get a console next gen. Honest opinion of a PC owner. I'm just honestly more comfortable looking and doing things on the PC than on the TV. I don't even watch T.V in the couch anymore i rather watch it on the PC even though my monitor has less resolution than our living room TV.
You forgot the DVD drive and OS as well as a monitor.
Why monitor?
Play on your TV
While I can do that, most here can't because unlike me, they aren't the man of the house and mommy and/or daddy won't allow them to use the TV with their PC. Anyways to answer your question. Because it is needed to display your games.
What about people who only have one TV in the house and their parents let the kids use it scarcely? PS4/Xbox must include a TV/monitor.
A £568 PC that is way more powerful than PS4 + 5 free games(bioshock infinite, crysis3 link, + radeon gold reward link)
VS
A £450 PS4 + 1 game (Watch dogs)
many console gamers will say that windows are missing, but the thing is that everyone have a copy of windows laying around, or can get a free copy from uni or from a friend etc
some will say that it is £118 more expensive, but ignoring the fact that it is way more powerful than PS4 and it comes with 5 free games, and it is a PC meaning that you can use it for everything, not just games.
also if you notice i didn't choose the cheapest components, for example i choose a quality PSU, I didn't choose the cheapest HD7950 but a one with aftermarket cooler and OC, I did NOT choose the cheapest case, etc
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1UACl
Oh cool another super rig that no one will buy,since you know most PC gamers are cheap ass gamers that love 560TI and intel integrated graphics..
And to think that a setting with that GPU is actually more expensive than a PS4..lol
Note why both next-gen consoles and TC's PC setup are based on AMD. It has been proven that NVIDIA can't be trusted on the consumer friendly price.
@Locutus_Picard
Though PS4 CPU has access to gddr5 ram and several high speed busses communicating with GPU, that the PC in turn doesn't have. CPU might seem bottlenecked looking at spec sheets but I doubt that.
PS4's CPU access to GDDR5 is limited to <20 GB/s.
The connection between CPU and GPU is about 10 GB/s per direction or 20 GB/s for both directions.
@04dcarraher
Not really it depnds on the game and resolutions. For example with BF3 maxed with 4XAA at 2560x1440 a GTX 780 is right between a standard 290x and uber 290x And the Titan beats the 290x uber by 6 fps . the with Crysis 3 same resolution and on high settings with FXAA again the GTX 780 is between the 290x's while the Titan has a slight edge of a few fps. The only reason why the 290x performs overall better then 780 and titan with certain games is its memory buffer size and bus width.
Also should note that Nvidia has done a price cut on 770's and 780's dropping their prices over $100
Crysis 3 maxed with 4XAA (MSAA) and 2560x1440, R9 290X (quiet) beats both Titan (by 1.2 fps) and GTX 780 (by 3 fps). http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/R9_290X/13.html
BF3 maxed with 4XAA (MSAA) at 5760x1080, R9 290X (quiet) beats both Titan (by 2.1 fps) and GTX 780 (by 5.6 fps). http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/R9_290X/8.html
NVIDIA has lower their prices with the incoming leaked price $449 R9 290 non-X which still sports 64 ROPS. http://www.techpowerup.com/193371/sapphire-radeon-r9-290-pictured.html
AMD plans to revise the R9 280X's silicon with Tahiti XTL with rumors that this chip might contain improvements (e.g. smaller memory controllers, True Audio) from Hawaii.
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Wasdie's debunked you and seems to have been arguing with the brick wall mentality like i have on multiple occasions bout why resolution doesnt mean as much to me and i can play games fine at lower resolution arguing that it isnt that big an issue for many of us, just to be retorted by tc with various pesant,poor or otherwise you are an idiot because you do not agree and that KB and M is always teh best and having the tendency to change the goalpost at least once or twice in the space of a thread.
Theres literally no point in arguig with TC he's as stubborn as a mule and bright as a goldfish when you produce a fairly intelligent and sane arguement in why his arguement, ideology and generally everythig is not a one size suits all affair..
Currently planning on upgrading my pc. Mobo/CPU/GPU and 1440p monitor. Gonna cost me close to $2500AUS. I could get both next gen consoles for that. It doesn't bother me one bit though. I'll make up the difference in cheaper games and Steam Deals over the next 3-4 years. Not to mention I'll have no issues with backward compatibility on my already massive pc game collection.
I'm still struggling to see why price is even relevant... I mean sure, if you buy 4-5 games a year consoles are best but who does that? I've bought over 350 games on Steam alone in the last 4 years over 3 accounts plus close to 50 boxed. Average price of PC games was about $30 as opposed to $70 of console games. Next Gen will be closer to $100 on console. That's here in Australia. My current PC cost $1500 total. I've more than made the price difference up plus had a vastly superior gaming experience in terms of graphics and performance.
I don't know why people try and make out that buying a PC is as cheap as buying a console... That's just utter rubbish and that's coming from someone who buys both but is mainly a PC gamer. If you want some decent PC hardware you're going to have to pay for it. Thankfully Steam and not paying for online helps offset some of the costs though and for those of us that already need a desktop for other things it's only really the cost of the GPU to worry about. That's often more that the price of a console alone if you want something cutting edge mind!
BTW PC game developers prefer to game on consoles!
"Personally, I prefer to play games on console rather than PC" -David Pollard from Eiconic games
Sauce
yeap. Typical stupid console owner behavior. Tries to own hermits does a google search "pc dev prefers playing on consoles" click on the first link doesnt even read the article post link to system wars and claim ownage .
You didnt even read and you didnt even bother to see what games does he develop did you ? To save you the trouble he is a mobile/handheld dev. Idiot
Forgetting Windows really didn't matter since you didn't include PS+ on the PS4 side. Windows can be had for about the same price if you download it.
-People aren't buying PS4s just to play multiplat F2p games. That excuse doesn't fly.
-The games on the PC side are actually free while PS+ games are lost if the subscription is dropped. Glorified rentals =/= free.
PC value:performance is going to completely outpace consoles by next year. But that was inevitable since Sony/MS are too poor to sell consoles at $300 losses these days.
blah blah blah specs. As I said in a previous thread, show me a PC that costs the same as a PS4 running a multiplat game and looking better. Until that day comes, PS4 is a better deal. I literally want to see a screenshot from fraps on said $400 PC playing said multiplayer game at the same (or higher if you want) resolution as the PS4 version and looking better while running at a similar FPS as the PS4 version. Give me that, and I will forever chant upon the mountain tops of the greatness that is PC.
PS4 will never be a better deal when it's going to be a multiplat box for a solid year. PC will always have a gigantic library of games to fall back on when you're transitioning between gens.
You go ahead and pay $450+ upfront just to play what PS3/360/PC/WiiU owners can play. There's no real value there no matter how much you spin it.
Pay-to-play online and more expensive games are going to put it past the OP's build in no time. It's like you have to ignore the bigger picture just to make a point. How sad.
No more insecure than when people have to make threads showcasing how superior they are and find meaningless points to prove that fact to a bunch of random strangers on the internet. For example, the 1,345,356,941 thread that is about how a PC is better than a console because of cost vs hardware.
No more insecure than when people have to make threads showcasing how superior they are and find meaningless points to prove that fact to a bunch of random strangers on the internet. For example, the 1,345,356,941 thread that is about how a PC is better than a console because of cost vs hardware.
You are in SW. Thats what people is gonna talk about get used to it. Or are the no 233452456665 Ps4 vs X1 thread or the countless KZ Sf threads lately or the stupid pc gaming is dead comment better than that topic?
Having a dainty laptop on your desk vs 40 pound iron box with the fans sounding like an airport.
Curling on the couch with a game before dozing off vs slouched or hunched over at a desk.
Picking out parts, RMA'ing shit, spend half day building vs pick up a PS4 at Wally World.
Steam sale vs Redbox.
Completely different lifestyles.
Also the games are different, PC games tend to be deeper and more time consuming, vs sitting on the couch playing Madden for 30 minutes, it's a more casual lifestyle.
I've yet to meet a casual PC gamer, or at least I've never been able to treat it as a casual hobby.
It took me days to shop for parts. Not hours, days.
When you build something for yourself, it's an intense experience, almost like having a child.
You can't compare that to buying a new toy on Amazon.
If I had gone with a PS4 this gen, I might actually have had a social life.
But since I'm rebuilding mine, I'm sitting here fucking with fan speeds and monitoring the GPU temperature.
I don't know why people try and make out that buying a PC is as cheap as buying a console... That's just utter rubbish and that's coming from someone who buys both but is mainly a PC gamer. If you want some decent PC hardware you're going to have to pay for it. Thankfully Steam and not paying for online helps offset some of the costs though and for those of us that already need a desktop for other things it's only really the cost of the GPU to worry about. That's often more that the price of a console alone if you want something cutting edge mind!
You are forgetting that the Radeon HD 7870 XT (~$139.99 USD) uses the same ex-flagship chip as 79x0, but with 8 disabled CUs and 2 disabled memory controllers (and related L2 cache banks).
another uninformative and ill thought out post brought to you by MK-Professor.
Wasdie's debunked you and seems to have been arguing with the brick wall mentality like i have on multiple occasions bout why resolution doesnt mean as much to me and i can play games fine at lower resolution arguing that it isnt that big an issue for many of us, just to be retorted by tc with various pesant,poor or otherwise you are an idiot because you do not agree and that KB and M is always teh best and having the tendency to change the goalpost at least once or twice in the space of a thread.
Theres literally no point in arguig with TC he's as stubborn as a mule and bright as a goldfish when you produce a fairly intelligent and sane arguement in why his arguement, ideology and generally everythig is not a one size suits all affair..
A display/screen device (with HDMI) is a neutral device since it can work on either console or PC.
@Wasdie
Furthermore if we want to look at that PC as a PC compared to other PC's it's not very good. It won't last you as long as a PS4 will. Eventually even the console ports on the PC will require more hardware than that PC has while they will still fit a version on the PS4/Xbox One.
This is wrong and I'm currently use Radeon HD 7950 with 900Mhz firmware (yields 3.225 TF).
TC's 7950 is the boost overclock edition with 850Mhz base with a faster 950 Mhz Turbo (yields 3.4 TF).
7950 BE is already has a raw performance gap like 8800 GTX vs Xbox 360 and 7950 has support for AMD's incoming Mantle i.e. "console like APIs" for PCs with GCN..
XFX's HD 7950 at 900Mhz "Black Edition" that rivals the original 7970 at 925Mhz.
"To our surprise, the stock XFX Radeon HD 7950 with the factory overclock stood its ground, and provided nearly identical performance to the Radeon HD 7970. The overclock we achieved pushed performance beyond the Radeon HD 7970"
A £568 PC that is way more powerful than PS4 + 5 free games(bioshock infinite, crysis3 link, + radeon gold reward link)
VS
A £450 PS4 + 1 game (Watch dogs)
many console gamers will say that windows are missing, but the thing is that everyone have a copy of windows laying around, or can get a free copy from uni or from a friend etc
some will say that it is £118 more expensive, but ignoring the fact that it is way more powerful than PS4 and it comes with 5 free games, and it is a PC meaning that you can use it for everything, not just games.
also if you notice i didn't choose the cheapest components, for example i choose a quality PSU, I didn't choose the cheapest HD7950 but a one with aftermarket cooler and OC, I did NOT choose the cheapest case, etc
Soooo many things wrong with this.
1. That is the most expensive watch dogs bundle I have ever seen. The correct price for all bundles with 1 game seems to be £389. Where on earth did you find that bundle? Heck even separately you can get PS4 for £330 from Gamestop UK, and the game for £49 extra, which makes £379; but will stick with £389 for arguments sake.
2. Where is your keyboard and mouse? Add another £20 (£10 each) or so for average peripherals that won't break.
3. You can't just claim everyone has windows lying around. I have built computers for 4 friends in the past year, and not one of them, nor I, had a spare copy of windows to use, so had to be bought separately. Student deal was £30.00 for the OS.
4. Who on earth is Teamgroup Elite? (not affecting price as I think Corsair is same price for similar modules mind, but I have never heard of them)
Rest of it seems fairly legit.
So yeah, let's recap?
PS4 + 1 game = £389
PC = £618
Difference: £229
Suddenly the price isn't so close, no?
1. This was the cheapest bundle is that shop(also includes delivery), the most expensive cost £490 that includes 1 game, second controller and camera. Also if you like a different shop in UK or in US, we need to re pick all the pc components to be a fair comparison.
2. Everyone have keyboard and mouse laying around.
3. There are several ways to get OS for free as i said, but if you don't just add the cost of the OS but at the same time you will need to add the cost for the online for ps4
4. This doesn't have any effect.(I just pick them randomly)
another uninformative and ill thought out post brought to you by MK-Professor.
Wasdie's debunked you and seems to have been arguing with the brick wall mentality like i have on multiple occasions bout why resolution doesnt mean as much to me and i can play games fine at lower resolution arguing that it isnt that big an issue for many of us, just to be retorted by tc with various pesant,poor or otherwise you are an idiot because you do not agree and that KB and M is always teh best and having the tendency to change the goalpost at least once or twice in the space of a thread.
Theres literally no point in arguig with TC he's as stubborn as a mule and bright as a goldfish when you produce a fairly intelligent and sane arguement in why his arguement, ideology and generally everythig is not a one size suits all affair..
All I see here is that you don't like that someone point out to you that you can build a PC(much more powerful than next gen console) at similar price range.
I don't know why people try and make out that buying a PC is as cheap as buying a console... That's just utter rubbish and that's coming from someone who buys both but is mainly a PC gamer. If you want some decent PC hardware you're going to have to pay for it. Thankfully Steam and not paying for online helps offset some of the costs though and for those of us that already need a desktop for other things it's only really the cost of the GPU to worry about. That's often more that the price of a console alone if you want something cutting edge mind!
You are forgetting that the Radeon HD 7870 XT (~$139.99 USD) uses the same ex-flagship chip as 79x0, but with 8 disabled CUs and 2 disabled memory controllers (and related L2 cache banks).
I'm not forgetting anything. Building a worthwhile PC with high end gear costs more than buying a console. To me and many other people it's worth the cost though and that's why we do it.
another uninformative and ill thought out post brought to you by MK-Professor.
Wasdie's debunked you and seems to have been arguing with the brick wall mentality like i have on multiple occasions bout why resolution doesnt mean as much to me and i can play games fine at lower resolution arguing that it isnt that big an issue for many of us, just to be retorted by tc with various pesant,poor or otherwise you are an idiot because you do not agree and that KB and M is always teh best and having the tendency to change the goalpost at least once or twice in the space of a thread.
Theres literally no point in arguig with TC he's as stubborn as a mule and bright as a goldfish when you produce a fairly intelligent and sane arguement in why his arguement, ideology and generally everythig is not a one size suits all affair..
All I see here is that you don't like that someone point out to you that you can build a PC(much more powerful than next gen console) at similar price range.
whilst on paper it is more powerful, in the real world when you start getting further into the gen it will become outdated its a given, certain aspects will need upgrading.
another uninformative and ill thought out post brought to you by MK-Professor.
Wasdie's debunked you and seems to have been arguing with the brick wall mentality like i have on multiple occasions bout why resolution doesnt mean as much to me and i can play games fine at lower resolution arguing that it isnt that big an issue for many of us, just to be retorted by tc with various pesant,poor or otherwise you are an idiot because you do not agree and that KB and M is always teh best and having the tendency to change the goalpost at least once or twice in the space of a thread.
Theres literally no point in arguig with TC he's as stubborn as a mule and bright as a goldfish when you produce a fairly intelligent and sane arguement in why his arguement, ideology and generally everythig is not a one size suits all affair..
All I see here is that you don't like that someone point out to you that you can build a PC(much more powerful than next gen console) at similar price range.
whilst on paper it is more powerful, in the real world when you start getting further into the gen it will become outdated its a given, certain aspects will need upgrading.
Your logic is just completely balls out stupid.
what aspects? if your only goal is to surpass console level of graphics then no that pc will last as long as the consoles. Now if your trying to run games above console levels along with running games on high or max setting that are designed for pc's then yeah you will most likely will have to upgrade a few years down the road.
PC won't have Uncharted 4, or any of the other quality Sony exclusives, so this thread is pointless. PC exclusives are filled with RTS and MMO's. Two genres most gamers don't give a crap about.
You forgot the DVD drive and OS as well as a monitor.
Why monitor?
Play on your TV
While I can do that, most here can't because unlike me, they aren't the man of the house and mommy and/or daddy won't allow them to use the TV with their PC. Anyways to answer your question. Because it is needed to display your games.
i am a pc gamer and yeah claiming pc gaming is cheaper then console gaming is just flat out bs, its alot more expensive
The initial cost is a bit more expensive, but online gaming is free, and games are much, much cheaper. In the long run, PC gaming is indeed less expensive...
@superclocked: your also forgetting one thing. games run alot better on consoles then pc, they are almost always alot more optimized then on pc because they are all the same hardware so developers dont have to optimize there games for a many different graphics cards (that's why requirements on pc are so much higher to play a game of equal graphics on a console) , they dont have a os or porgrams in the backgrounds sucking nearly as much resources as windows do.
@Butcer2: The optimization comes from being able to code to the metal with less overhead. AMD's Mantle API for PC's takes this advantage away from consoles. The Mantle version of Battlefield 3 is launching in December...
The motherfucking OS is missing you filthy pirate. Or do you dare to claim ps4 comes without OS?
Add £69.77
Add $400 for one generation of PSN.
Add $250 monitor, $20 keyboard (a good one, not dinky toys), a good $30-$50 gaming mouse, also you need $100 or more for good case fans and/or good heat sinks. OP went for a barebones shitty build that would burn the house down to run games on medium or higher.
The motherfucking OS is missing you filthy pirate. Or do you dare to claim ps4 comes without OS?
Add £69.77
Add $400 for one generation of PSN.
Add $250 monitor, $20 keyboard (a good one, not dinky toys), a good $30-$50 gaming mouse, also you need $100 or more for good case fans and/or good heat sinks. OP went for a barebones shitty build that would burn the house down to run games on medium or higher.
@superclocked: and what fans, ? alot of people new to pc gaming or are just console players on this site are most likly using old pc with old screens possibily even old ass crt screens so they would need to buy a new monitor as well
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