Problem With PC gamings perception

I've notice that there has been this perception problem with PC. Everyone I know who is a console only gamer believes PC gaming requires you to constantly upgrade your system, update your drivers (I bet these people don't even know what they're talking about when you say you have to update your drivers and it's not as often as you think), it has no exclusives, you can't use a controller, you can't game on the couch, can't play with friends locally without lan,etc.

Another thing is propaganda a lot people still actually believe there consoles are playing games in 1080p just because the back of Game box list "supported displays" and the TV will say the resolution is 1080p but what they don't know is that game is just upscaling to 1080p AKA stretching the resolution to fit the screen. When me and other PC gamers try to explain this to them they just deny it and scream LALALALALALA Metal Gear Solid 4 and Uncharted are 1080p you PC elitist fanboys!!!!!! MY TV SAID SO!!!!

When I look at graphics comparisons people say "who cares the difference is slight I don't wanna pay $2000 for slightly better graphics" I can easily tell the difference between a PC and Console on a multiplat title. Slight is when you compare Xbox 360 to PS3 not PC. Youtube quality decreases the overall look, and if it doesn't help people think the differnce between BF3 on PC and PS3 are slight due to a poor job of making a proper comparison, both are highly compressed, both sides are reduced to tiny screens instead of being it stead of a comparison done by some one like Robbaz who does it more properly clearly. People are still looking at the outdated Crysis 2 PC and Console comparisons forgetting that DX11 and Hi rez texture pack have been released and assuming "I don't see the big difference except the $1000 price difference why bother with PC when I can just an Xbox 360 and a 42in 1080p TV".

Youtube is another problem far too many people down their spread false information about pc gaming.

For starters when it comes to marketing at the end of the commercial for a multiplat game I notice they the PC DVD logo and Games for Windows logo ridiculously small in comparison to the console logos I mean come on it's like this vs

Which logos do you think people will recognize more quickly in the short few seconds before the commercial ends?

When PC games were still being sold heavily throughout retail stores I noticed they pratically never had a PC setup with for people to try demos on outside of games like WoW, meanwhile people are playing a multiplat title that is also on PC on the set up consoles.

Another thing I noticed is that games exclusive to consoles get more marketing exposure then their PC counterparts. You always see commercials for Console Exclusives but when it comes to PC exclusives the last one I can think of is StarCraft 2. The Original Crysis PC Exclusive did not have a TV Commercial but Crysis 2 the multiplat along with other marketing campaigns for it certainly did. I know games on PC can sell fine without them but showing PC exclusives on TV could get some exposure to the uninformed console gamers and encourage them to get a PC capable of gaming. With the direct PC hardware is heading AMD is making PC gaming more affordable for the ones that don't wanna forkout over $600. An AMD APU llano laptop can get you entry level gaming on medium-low settings at the laptop's native resolution or near it. Imagine what they could pull of for desktops since they have a much better price to performance ratio then laptop counterparts.

I mean look a $450-$600 laptops are pulling this off!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yluVO4NJGfU&NR=1

Also look at how the current desktop APU with a dedicated GPU is holding up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQpfgiQd7WU&feature=related and that APU is $135 if want more performance just add in a HD 6670 price ranged from $80-$100 bam you got 1080p gaming with higher settings and better performance!! imagine what they can pull off in the future and with it being able to co-op with more highend cards and the APUs themselves generate more performance. Hardware like this should be put into more consumer PCs and then you could see a sales boost for more demanding PC games and PC could be pulling off the "CoD numbers".

With the money Valve makes off steam would it hurt to make a commercial I notice Gamefly commercials "making gaming affordable" I think why doesn't Valve advertise steam considering with all their constant sales and games actually being owned and it being a face of PC gaming since steam offers a service better then XBL for FREE it could get even more attention from the online fantatics.

Another thing people seem to be fond of these gimmicks/"innovative"/different control methods, PS Move, Kinect, and Wii motion controls. People don't seem to know that PC also has things like these ------>

THese are just somethings I feel about PC gaming.

Just installed an 9800GT 1GB into an older computer. My jaw dropped when I test ran some games. No, you do not need to spend "thousands" of dollars upgrading your computers. I spent a little over $150 on mine and its doing great.

Consoles get advertised in more mainstream ways, being more mainstream. PC games get plenty of exposure on the Internet and places where PC gamers are bound to look.

For examle, most bricks and mortar shops don't do boxed copies of PC games anymore, because of the shift to DD. A lot of these same shops would therefore have no interest in advertising them.

At least in my area.

EDIT: Also, what does the last bit of your sig say, it's cut off. I really wanna know why PC gamers don't interact with women...:(

EDIT II: Not sure what happened there, Glitchspot is running this show.

I guess PC devs and publishers realize that only those extremely interested and willing to invest time and effort into PC gaming already know about it so they don't feel the need to spend a lot of money on advertising.

PC gamers can't be swindled like console gamers.

And its amazing how PC gaming does just as well (If not better) than the ps360 in terms of sales. Iantheone

This guy Disagrees Nilli on VGchartzs :roll: jesus he is a annoying and can't base his arguments and claims with facts http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales/39247/the-witcher-2-assassins-of-kings/ he's trying to pass the witcher 2 off as a failure and CD Projekt has all their hopes in the 360 version.

PC gamers can't be swindled like console gamers.

Grawse

Here are some counter-arguments against PC gaming:

- enthusiast PC gaming is expensive

- work with drivers, updates, graphics options, ect.

- misses out on certain multi-plats

- digital downloads offer no advantages over retail shipping

- too much RTS and MMO games

- elitist community

- PC games tend to be boring so luckily there are some console ports and FPS games on it :P

- digital downloads offer no advantages over retail shipping

nameless12345

There are counters to all your counters but this one is the most obvious one...

OBVIOUSLY there are advantages to DD. Like being cheaper and, you know, being able to buy things from the comfort of your own home.

DD is the future, you can kiss goodbye to traditional shops in ten years.

Some real advertising would do wonders for PC gaming. Accessibility isn't as difficult as most people like to make it out to be. It's funny how console gaming has gone the direction of PCs, with patching required often required before you start the game, which further delays one's progress into actually playing. The time difference, and "difficulty" difference isn't too much anymore, and any platform these days requires significant amounts of time and capital to fully understand and exploit towards one's entertainment needs.

Why am I predominantly a PC gamer?

- Performance in terms of graphics and customization (I set the render resolution and AA modes)
- Custimization in terms of controls and system set up. Much of the fun is "tuning" and maintaining the system, much like with cars. I greatly enjoy this aspect.
- PC is my entertainment hub, and not just for games. I can do many different things at once, and the computer just so happens to be good at games too when properly equipped.
- Virtually all of today's major releases are available after a short wait via digital download, which is highly convenient, and doesn't require organization for all the boxes/cases.
- Even at the same price, a DD copy of a game vs a boxed copy will mean more revenue to the developer and publisher. PC game sales have no royalty incurred as with a console game. A $50 PC boxed game actually is more profitable per copy than a $60 boxed console game. They make more money and have continued incentive to develop PC titles.
- Giant library of PC exclusive games, from years ago along with newer titles. It's great being able to run old games in a custom sized render resolution, or better texture filtering, etc. Consoles are pretty limited in their backwards compatibility capability. No need for a PCer to wait for the remake to enjoy the game if it's not available for BC on a console. Faster hardware means better performance for titles that when released ran ok. Not a possibility for console games unless remade.
- Game modding. I've bought games purely for mods before. Mods can put so much extra life and value into a game, which puts a developer at a higher level of respect and gives players more enjoyment. Many developers originated as PC game mod developers too, so it's a great place for budding game developers and programmers to start.

Here are some counter-arguments against PC gaming:

- enthusiast PC gaming is expensive

- work with drivers, updates, graphics options, ect.

What's the big deal about drivers about all of them except GPU drivers will upgrade automatically, even then is it that hard to just go to AMD or Nvidias website enter what base model GPU or just let the webiste manually detect your GPU and give you the latest drivers. Graphics options won't be that hard if games will detect what hardware you have and automatically set the settings for you. Other then that it's not that hard to determine graphics settings some you just have to experiment with for at most 5 minutes in game.

- misses out on certain multi-plats

Neutral arguement since the same can said for consoles.

- digital downloads offer no advantages over retail shipping

- too much RTS and MMO games

what's wrong with MMOs?

- elitist community

What do you mean by this?

- PC games tend to be boring so luckily there are some console ports and FPS games on it :P

Such as >.>

nameless12345

Here are some counter-arguments against PC gaming:

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- enthusiast PC gaming is expensive

Depends on the number of games you play. For example PC games cost me 40 Euro while console games are 60 Euro (release prices). That is without even considering the insane sales on Steam (and other online shops).

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- work with drivers, updates, graphics options, ect.

Installing drivers and updates is no harder than installing a new firmware on a console. There are more complex problems, but the solution is always one google search away.

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- misses out on certain multi-plats

Silly thing to say, given the fact that PC has the most exclusives.

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- digital downloads offer no advantages over retail shipping

Yes, it does. You can play any game with the click of a mouse without swapping discs. Your games are protected from things like - getting scratched, stolen, burned in a fire, etc.

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- too much RTS and MMO games

Too much compared to what? Consoles? Of course that would be the case given that these genres are almost absent from consoles.

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- elitist community

Communities on PC depend on the game. For small games, the communities tend to be very close and friendly, because they wish to retain players. Big games like WoW tend to be less mature, but that isn't a PC only issue.

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- PC games tend to be boring so luckily there are some console ports and FPS games on it :P

PC has the most exclusives, the highest variety in genres, the best graphics, lowest game prices, and best backward compatibility.

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nameless12345

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Here are some counter-arguments against PC gaming:

- enthusiast PC gaming is expensive

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- work with drivers, updates, graphics options, ect.

Graphics options are to ensure your PC will run the game smoothly unlike console games where if a game runs badly there's nothing you can do about it. Plus a driver update only takes 2 minutes maximum to download and install and it's not required frequently.

- misses out on certain multi-plats

Goes with every platform, did the Playstation 3 get Super Meat Boy?

- digital downloads offer no advantages over retail shipping

Not in America, but in Australia were game prices are $120+, $40-$70 on Steam is far better.

- too much RTS and MMO games

So you hate variety? Plus if you don't like RTS and MMOs you can just go play the hundreds of RPG and FPS games on the PC.

- elitist community

Both consoles and PC have bad communities in some areas, please tell me with a straight face that the Xbox 360 Call of Duty community is intelligent, welcoming and sophisticated.

- PC games tend to be boring so luckily there are some console ports and FPS games on it :P

Personal preference, I find loads of console games to be boring as hell as well.

nameless12345

Problem is the perception will never change. You can say a hundred times that you can hook up your PC to an HDTV and play with a controller and that a PC doesn't need to cost 3000 dollars but those arguments will still be used time after time.

Problem is the perception will never change. You can say a hundred times that you can hook up your PC to an HDTV and play with a controller and that a PC doesn't need to cost 3000 dollars but those arguments will still be used time after time.

R4gn4r0k

kill all the people on youtube who spread false info :)

Here are some counter-arguments against PC gaming:

- enthusiast PC gaming is expensive

- work with drivers, updates, graphics options, ect.

- misses out on certain multi-plats

- digital downloads offer no advantages over retail shipping

- too much RTS and MMO games

- elitist community

- PC games tend to be boring so luckily there are some console ports and FPS games on it :P

nameless12345

-Yes, but at least we have the option.

-It's a little annoying sometimes, but I feel the end result is worth it.

-Yeah, that's too bad.

-Except way better sales than you'll ever see at retail (ex: Alpha Protocol $2, AoE3 $0.10, Bioshock $2, etc.)

-Too many games. How is that a bad thing?

-Only on certain games, the community in TF2 is amazing.

-Wow this is just ridiculous. Don't know what to say.

And TC, most console users here aren't like that, they know pc has the best graphics and are pretty reasonable about it.

[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]

Problem is the perception will never change. You can say a hundred times that you can hook up your PC to an HDTV and play with a controller and that a PC doesn't need to cost 3000 dollars but those arguments will still be used time after time.

NoodleFighter

kill all the people on youtube who spread false info :)

Haha but who seriously gets their info from youtube comments :P

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Here are some counter-arguments against PC gaming:

- enthusiast PC gaming is expensive

- work with drivers, updates, graphics options, ect.

- misses out on certain multi-plats

- digital downloads offer no advantages over retail shipping

- too much RTS and MMO games

- elitist community

- PC games tend to be boring so luckily there are some console ports and FPS games on it :P

cain006

-Yes, but at least we have the option.

-It's a little annoying sometimes, but I feel the end result is worth it.

-Yeah, that's too bad.

-Except way better sales than you'll ever see at retail (ex: Alpha Protocol $2, AoE3 $0.10, Bioshock $2, etc.)

-Too many games. How is that a bad thing?

-Only on certain games, the community in TF2 is amazing.

-Wow this is just ridiculous. Don't know what to say.

And TC, most console users here aren't like that, they know pc has the best graphics and are pretty reasonable about it.

Yes but I'm refering to the general group of people outside this site and others. Good lord Gametrailers is full of console fanboys same with youtube.

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[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]

Problem is the perception will never change. You can say a hundred times that you can hook up your PC to an HDTV and play with a controller and that a PC doesn't need to cost 3000 dollars but those arguments will still be used time after time.

R4gn4r0k

kill all the people on youtube who spread false info :)

Haha but who seriously gets their info from youtube comments :P

Not just comments but videos too jesus look at this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHn6rXR5CA8 people are actually agreeing with this heavily false information and anyone that disagrees is a whiny fallopian tube (PC gamers)

Yes but I'm refering to the general group of people outside this site and others. Good lord Gametrailers is full of console fanboys same with youtube.

NoodleFighter

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

Yes but I'm refering to the general group of people outside this site and others. Good lord Gametrailers is full of console fanboys same with youtube.

cain006

Not just youtube comments but also youtube videos god no matter what I say to them they just keep being dumb.

The true irony is the arguments people have against PC gaming now can be used for console gaming. If games didn't get patched or installed to hard drives or the consoles themselves didn't get updated (firmware are drivers afterall) as well as the console's OS getting updated (patched there too), then yeah, I can see it, but as long as consoles are connected to the internet now, console gamers will have to deal with the same things that they give PC gamers crap for.

The true irony is the arguments people have against PC gaming now can be used for console gaming. If games didn't get patched or installed to hard drives or the consoles themselves didn't get updated (firmware are drivers afterall) as well as the console's OS getting updated (patched there too), then yeah, I can see it, but as long as consoles are connected to the internet now, console gamers will have to deal with the same things that they give PC gamers crap for.

WhiteKnight77

Yeah but they'll exaggerate it for PC and most likely ignore their problems with consoles. FFS Someone complained about having to install games which is easy as hell to do.

[QUOTE="cain006"]

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

Yes but I'm refering to the general group of people outside this site and others. Good lord Gametrailers is full of console fanboys same with youtube.

NoodleFighter

Not just youtube comments but also youtube videos god no matter what I say to them they just keep being dumb.

Console gamers love talking about graphics...

... Just not when the PC is in the comparison, then its all about teh_gamEPLAY!!!11

Ok..., who honestly uses 3rd party peripherals on their PC?Fightingfan

Considering there is no 1st party peripherals on PC, everyone does...

Ok..., who honestly uses 3rd party peripherals on their PC? I understand maybe using a controller maybe some type of stylus(The ones for Adove illustrator) but who the hell bothers with that hand motion bullcrap...Fightingfan

A crap ton of people on consoles and quite a small number of PC gamers which is why these things never get big on PC. Razer Hydra and Novint falcon are the most core and acceptable in my opinion since it offers some pretty fair accuracy for motion controller and Novint falcon is designed for immersive shooting.

Blog it. PC Gaming at its core will never be as mainstream as console gaming. That's what PC gaming is, and there's no need to change its perception or identity. It's a platform self contained and with a whole lot of intricacies and a learning curve surrounding it. It's not a product marketed to a casual or general market like a console, it's entirely self dependent and there for users who want to be involved in it - not told that this is an experience that they want to have. And that's part of Core PC gaming's identity, and why it'll never, not ever, be as large as console, or hell - cloud and web based gaming.skrat_01

A lil marketing for some of it's things wouldn't hurt I don't want commercials like this being a representive of PC gaming http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR-LSkFCgHE to the the uninformed whopeople will go o cool! *See's the price* Too expensive! It could educate the masses on what it has. I hear how people say PC doesn't have a service like XBL and PSN bam Steam ad shows up and telling you about it's offers like constant sales, being free, offering cross chat om game, etc, etc.

I've notice that there has been this perception problem with PC. Everyone I know who is a console only gamer believes PC gaming requires you to constantly upgrade your system, update your drivers (I bet these people don't even know what they're talking about when you say you have to update your drivers and it's not as often as you think), it has no exclusives, you can't use a controller, you can't game on the couch, can't play with friends locally without lan,etc.

Another thing is propaganda a lot people still actually believe there consoles are playing games in 1080p just because the back of Game box list "supported displays" and the TV will say the resolution is 1080p but what they don't know is that game is just upscaling to 1080p AKA stretching the resolution to fit the screen. When me and other PC gamers try to explain this to them they just deny it and scream LALALALALALA Metal Gear Solid 4 and Uncharted are 1080p you PC elitist fanboys!!!!!! MY TV SAID SO!!!!

NoodleFighter

Hahah.....I ran into the same problem dude. I was in Best Buy and they had a Xbox 360 hooked up showing FIFA and I told my friend that Xbox 360 can't do 1080P in FIFA but he is like YES THEY CAN..the back of the box says it can do 1080P. It was blantantly obvious that it was running in 720P with all the blurry images and the jagged edges around the players.I have seen my other friends say that consoles can do FULL HD 1080P 'because the back of the box' says so. LOL. Talk about ignorance.

Here are some counter-arguments against PC gaming:

- enthusiast PC gaming is expensive

- work with drivers, updates, graphics options, ect.

- misses out on certain multi-plats

- digital downloads offer no advantages over retail shipping

- too much RTS and MMO games

- elitist community

- PC games tend to be boring so luckily there are some console ports and FPS games on it :P

nameless12345

Uh...your list makes no sense whatsoever. What in the world are you meaning by "elitist community". What do you mean by Enthusiasts PC gaming is expensive. I have AMD's fastes single GPU card HD 6970 and my entire computer costs me less than $1000. Hardly "enthusiasts and I could max out all games in FULL HD 1080P minus one or two settings in like one or two games.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Here are some counter-arguments against PC gaming:

- enthusiast PC gaming is expensive

- work with drivers, updates, graphics options, ect.

- misses out on certain multi-plats

- digital downloads offer no advantages over retail shipping

- too much RTS and MMO games

- elitist community

- PC games tend to be boring so luckily there are some console ports and FPS games on it :P

Xtasy26

What do you mean by Enthusiasts PC gaming is expensive. I have AMD's fastes single GPU card HD 6970 and my entire computer costs me less than $1000.

Yeah, that's real cheap :P

The difference in graphics is to me not slight, just inconsequential. I don't find it to be actually of any note seeing how I value core design so much more than the overall resolution, pixel count, effects of AA etc. I do play on the PC (my laptop, to be exact) and it works just fine. I do however prefer consoles still, and I'd say there's also a ridiculous perception that some (not nearly all) PC gamers have of consoles, that they're just for casuals and are in almost every way inferior to the PC. This is NOT a problem limited to console gamers.

And as an aside, PC gaming is ridiculously expensive where I live. All PCs worth anything cost upwards of $1000. Mark-up is a wonderful thing.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Blog it. PC Gaming at its core will never be as mainstream as console gaming. That's what PC gaming is, and there's no need to change its perception or identity. It's a platform self contained and with a whole lot of intricacies and a learning curve surrounding it. It's not a product marketed to a casual or general market like a console, it's entirely self dependent and there for users who want to be involved in it - not told that this is an experience that they want to have. And that's part of Core PC gaming's identity, and why it'll never, not ever, be as large as console, or hell - cloud and web based gaming.NoodleFighter

A lil marketing for some of it's things wouldn't hurt I don't want commercials like this being a representive of PC gaming http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR-LSkFCgHE to the the uninformed whopeople will go o cool! *See's the price* Too expensive! It could educate the masses on what it has. I hear how people say PC doesn't have a service like XBL and PSN bam Steam ad shows up and telling you about it's offers like constant sales, being free, offering cross chat om game, etc, etc.

The 'masses' don't need to be 'educated' because the 'masses' are already going to be interested in console gaming; those who want an experience on the PC will actually invest time and interest into it.

The PC doesn't need those services, it's not centralised and never will be - nor does it ever need to be.

All these ideas are extremely ineffective in terms of marketing.

What will get people into PC gaming is the games, simply, and the way hardware is storming forwards and the lack of requirements - as well as web based and cloud games, means that the level of entry is lower.

Otherwise let idiots be idiots, if they're uninformed let them be brogamers on their XBoxes. It's not a loss at all.

It would be great if everyone was more open minded. I grew up playing PC and console games then switched to console only cause it was more affordable and easier to use at the time. This generation has changed all that for me, got tired of blowing so much money on Xbox 360 stuff and went back to PC gaming. There are a lot of great communities out there and everything just seems more open to me. And yes I do sit on the couch and play with a Xbox 360 controller sometimes.

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[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Here are some counter-arguments against PC gaming:

- enthusiast PC gaming is expensive

- work with drivers, updates, graphics options, ect.

- misses out on certain multi-plats

- digital downloads offer no advantages over retail shipping

- too much RTS and MMO games

- elitist community

- PC games tend to be boring so luckily there are some console ports and FPS games on it :P

nameless12345

What do you mean by Enthusiasts PC gaming is expensive. I have AMD's fastes single GPU card HD 6970 and my entire computer costs me less than $1000.

Yeah, that's real cheap :P

So, what would you consider "cheap" then a $200 console? But can it do FULL HD 1080P. Heck you could easily build a PC for $600-$700 that will FULL HD 1080P. Would that be not be considered CHEAP?

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Blog it. PC Gaming at its core will never be as mainstream as console gaming. That's what PC gaming is, and there's no need to change its perception or identity. It's a platform self contained and with a whole lot of intricacies and a learning curve surrounding it. It's not a product marketed to a casual or general market like a console, it's entirely self dependent and there for users who want to be involved in it - not told that this is an experience that they want to have. And that's part of Core PC gaming's identity, and why it'll never, not ever, be as large as console, or hell - cloud and web based gaming.skrat_01

A lil marketing for some of it's things wouldn't hurt I don't want commercials like this being a representive of PC gaming http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR-LSkFCgHE to the the uninformed whopeople will go o cool! *See's the price* Too expensive! It could educate the masses on what it has. I hear how people say PC doesn't have a service like XBL and PSN bam Steam ad shows up and telling you about it's offers like constant sales, being free, offering cross chat om game, etc, etc.

The 'masses' don't need to be 'educated' because the 'masses' are already going to be interested in console gaming; those who want an experience on the PC will actually invest time and interest into it.

You're making it sound as if all people who play PC games play only core PC games but it's actually Facebook and Flash games that most people play on the PC.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

What do you mean by Enthusiasts PC gaming is expensive. I have AMD's fastes single GPU card HD 6970 and my entire computer costs me less than $1000.

Xtasy26

Yeah, that's real cheap :P

So, what would you consider "cheap" then a $200 console? But can it do FULL HD 1080P. Heck you could easily build a PC for $600-$700 that will FULL HD 1080P. Would that be not be considered CHEAP?

Considering I can still play old consoles which had 240p res or even lower it doesn't really bother me all that much that the current consoles can't do full HD in most games. I agree 1080p should be the standard for the next-gen consoles but that doesn't mean anything bellow that is unacceptable to me. After all, the Wii renders games at only 480p yet has visually pleasing games.

And no, I don't consider even $600 cheap for a gaming system.

I know you can do much more on the PC than gaming but for my non-gaming related needs the PC I currently have is sufficient.

900% is about right. especially when I play my games at 1.8millionx1.2million resolution with 128xfsaa and 192xaf.

[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Yeah, that's real cheap :P

nameless12345

So, what would you consider "cheap" then a $200 console? But can it do FULL HD 1080P. Heck you could easily build a PC for $600-$700 that will FULL HD 1080P. Would that be not be considered CHEAP?

Considering I can still play old consoles which had 240p res or even lower it doesn't really bother me all that much that the current consoles can't do full HD in most games. I agree 1080p should be the standard for the next-gen consoles but that doesn't mean anything bellow that is unacceptable to me. After all, the Wii renders games at only 480p yet has visually pleasing games.

And no, I don't consider even $600 cheap for a gaming system.

I know you can do much more on the PC than gaming but for my non-gaming related needs the PC I currently have is sufficient.

Then what would you consider acheap gaming system? See the problem with your argument is that while gaming PC's cost more it offeres MORE value such as FULL HD 1080P, DX 11, Tesselation, Keyboard and mouse which pwns controls. Not to mention Steam which blows away Xbox Live and PSN.

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[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Blog it. PC Gaming at its core will never be as mainstream as console gaming. That's what PC gaming is, and there's no need to change its perception or identity. It's a platform self contained and with a whole lot of intricacies and a learning curve surrounding it. It's not a product marketed to a casual or general market like a console, it's entirely self dependent and there for users who want to be involved in it - not told that this is an experience that they want to have. And that's part of Core PC gaming's identity, and why it'll never, not ever, be as large as console, or hell - cloud and web based gaming.skrat_01

A lil marketing for some of it's things wouldn't hurt I don't want commercials like this being a representive of PC gaming http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR-LSkFCgHE to the the uninformed whopeople will go o cool! *See's the price* Too expensive! It could educate the masses on what it has. I hear how people say PC doesn't have a service like XBL and PSN bam Steam ad shows up and telling you about it's offers like constant sales, being free, offering cross chat om game, etc, etc.

The 'masses' don't need to be 'educated' because the 'masses' are already going to be interested in console gaming; those who want an experience on the PC will actually invest time and interest into it.

The PC doesn't need those services, it's not centralised and never will be - nor does it ever need to be.

All these ideas are extremely ineffective in terms of marketing.

What will get people into PC gaming is the games, simply, and the way hardware is storming forwards and the lack of requirements - as well as web based and cloud games, means that the level of entry is lower.

Otherwise let idiots be idiots, if they're uninformed let them be brogamers on their XBoxes. It's not a loss at all.

People that are uninformed in general not just the internet. My Cousins who have console gamers since the day they were born were shocked to see me playing games on a PC because they thought it wasn't normal since they believed you couldn't use controllers, it has no exclusives outside of WoW and RTS or any of the multiplat games, PC rigs are $2000, no one they know plays on PC, etc. When I was in school I get bashed for being a PC gamer since people where telling me all PC has is WoW and Maplestory, you can't use a controller, you have to upgrade all the time, everyone on their is a hacker etc etc etc.

Believe me there are people out there that still think like this.

When I still was a primary console gamer (PS2+GC gen) and after my hatred for the Wii since it started gathering dust a lot of dust. I started geting into PC gaming in the 8th grade. I notice that in 6th grade when all the consoles and stuff where launched everyone was talking about which one to get and their games. No one even mentioned anything about PC and the upcoming Crysis. When I found out about Crysis in the 8th grade I was thinking "Oh **** I Wanna build a PC now!".I never heard a console gamer mention Crysis to this day till Crysis 2 came out.

I noticed that PC certainly doesn't get much attention I only new people who played on PC for certain things like WoW, Counterstrike, and some F2P games other then that they've never gone heavier. I only this one guy in his 20s who was into PC gaming as his main platform he had a custom built PC and a gaming laptop he pretty much played almost anything that was available on PC on it. He once took me and 10 other kids out to a internet cafe to have our own like Counter strike death match.

I guess we should just let people and allow them to flock naturally when they're informed on their own and the community.

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Yeah, that's real cheap :P

nameless12345

So, what would you consider "cheap" then a $200 console? But can it do FULL HD 1080P. Heck you could easily build a PC for $600-$700 that will FULL HD 1080P. Would that be not be considered CHEAP?

Considering I can still play old consoles which had 240p res or even lower it doesn't really bother me all that much that the current consoles can't do full HD in most games. I agree 1080p should be the standard for the next-gen consoles but that doesn't mean anything bellow that is unacceptable to me. After all, the Wii renders games at only 480p yet has visually pleasing games.

And no, I don't consider even $600 cheap for a gaming system.

I know you can do much more on the PC than gaming but for my non-gaming related needs the PC I currently have is sufficient.

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[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

A lil marketing for some of it's things wouldn't hurt I don't want commercials like this being a representive of PC gaming http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR-LSkFCgHE to the the uninformed whopeople will go o cool! *See's the price* Too expensive! It could educate the masses on what it has. I hear how people say PC doesn't have a service like XBL and PSN bam Steam ad shows up and telling you about it's offers like constant sales, being free, offering cross chat om game, etc, etc.

nameless12345

The 'masses' don't need to be 'educated' because the 'masses' are already going to be interested in console gaming; those who want an experience on the PC will actually invest time and interest into it.

You're making it sound as if all people who play PC games play only core PC games but it's actually Facebook and Flash games that most people play on the PC.

Except those people aren't relevant to the PC gaming I'm talking about and can the same people who play on consoles.

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[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

So, what would you consider "cheap" then a $200 console? But can it do FULL HD 1080P. Heck you could easily build a PC for $600-$700 that will FULL HD 1080P. Would that be not be considered CHEAP?

Xtasy26

Considering I can still play old consoles which had 240p res or even lower it doesn't really bother me all that much that the current consoles can't do full HD in most games. I agree 1080p should be the standard for the next-gen consoles but that doesn't mean anything bellow that is unacceptable to me. After all, the Wii renders games at only 480p yet has visually pleasing games.

And no, I don't consider even $600 cheap for a gaming system.

I know you can do much more on the PC than gaming but for my non-gaming related needs the PC I currently have is sufficient.

Then what would you consider acheap gaming system? See the problem with your argument is that while gaming PC's cost more it offeres MORE value such as FULL HD 1080P, DX 11, Tesselation, Keyboard and mouse which pwns controls. Not to mention Steam which blows away Xbox Live and PSN.

I don't know. PC hardware tends to get outdated rather quickly and looses on value fast. You can buy the best PC today but it'll be average at best in two years. On the other hand, a console lasts you atleast five years without the need for any upgrades.

PC gaming is cheap only if you're a retro gamer or if you're not demanding.

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[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Marketing what? To correct people on youtube who are not interested in PC games to begin with?

The 'masses' don't need to be 'educated' because the 'masses' are already going to be interested in console gaming; those who want an experience on the PC will actually invest time and interest into it.

NoodleFighter

You're making it sound as if all people who play PC games play only core PC games but it's actually Facebook and Flash games that most people play on the PC.

Except those people aren't relevant to the PC gaming I'm talking about and can the same people who play on consoles.

Considering even Valve applauds the success of Facebook games, I wouldn't say they aren't relevant for PC gaming.

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[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Considering I can still play old consoles which had 240p res or even lower it doesn't really bother me all that much that the current consoles can't do full HD in most games. I agree 1080p should be the standard for the next-gen consoles but that doesn't mean anything bellow that is unacceptable to me. After all, the Wii renders games at only 480p yet has visually pleasing games.

And no, I don't consider even $600 cheap for a gaming system.

I know you can do much more on the PC than gaming but for my non-gaming related needs the PC I currently have is sufficient.

nameless12345

Then what would you consider acheap gaming system? See the problem with your argument is that while gaming PC's cost more it offeres MORE value such as FULL HD 1080P, DX 11, Tesselation, Keyboard and mouse which pwns controls. Not to mention Steam which blows away Xbox Live and PSN.

I don't know. PC hardware tends to get outdated rather quickly and looses on value fast. You can buy the best PC today but it'll be average at best in two years. On the other hand, a console lasts you atleast five years without the need for any upgrades.

PC gaming is cheap only if you're a retro gamer or if you're not demanding.

That depends on what settings you want to play in and etc. Sure you'll need to upgrade if you want to play at the best settings for things such as PC sided multiplats and PC exclusives but multiplats in general don't make you have to upgrade. It's not like consoles are playing games maxed out anyway. A 9800GT can get you to play Crysis 2 DX9 maxed out in 1080p and it can still play a lot of PC focused and PC exclusive games at reasonable settings since they're old and the devs are aiming for things like HD 5000-6000 series and GTX 400- 500 GPUs as the max for games in 1080p with high frame rates and etc. A 9800GT can get you settings better then the consoles in about any multiplat. Ex: it can get you medium/high settings for the Witcher2 with a resolution ranging from 720p to 1680x1050 with 25-40 fps, 9800GT can easily let you play many console ports like CoD at 720p and near max settings or at max settings.