Problem With PC gamings perception

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

You're making it sound as if all people who play PC games play only core PC games but it's actually Facebook and Flash games that most people play on the PC.

nameless12345

Except those people aren't relevant to the PC gaming I'm talking about and can the same people who play on consoles.

Considering even Valve applauds the success of Facebook games, I wouldn't say they aren't relevant for PC gaming.

Yeah but how many of these facebook gamers got a computer that do a lot more then play facebook games. Facebook games can be pretty muched play on even the crappiest PCs. I wanna see these facebook gamers try and load up something like Battlefield 3 or The Witcher on their computers.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

Except those people aren't relevant to the PC gaming I'm talking about and can the same people who play on consoles.

NoodleFighter

Considering even Valve applauds the success of Facebook games, I wouldn't say they aren't relevant for PC gaming.

Yeah but how many of these facebook gamers got a computer that do a lot more then play facebook games. Facebook games can be pretty muched play on even the crappiest PCs. I wanna see these facebook gamers try and load up something like Battlefield 3 or The Witcher on their computers.

See, this is the reason why "cutting-edge" PC games will never succeed as much as some Facebook games do. Most people just don't have the money or don't want to invest in expensive PCs.

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Considering even Valve applauds the success of Facebook games, I wouldn't say they aren't relevant for PC gaming.

nameless12345

Yeah but how many of these facebook gamers got a computer that do a lot more then play facebook games. Facebook games can be pretty muched play on even the crappiest PCs. I wanna see these facebook gamers try and load up something like Battlefield 3 or The Witcher on their computers.

See, this is the reason why "cutting-edge" PC games will never succeed as much as some Facebook games do. Most people just don't have the money or don't want to invest in expensive PCs.

They really don't need to succeed as much as a facebook since casual games in general will sell more easily then core.

[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Considering I can still play old consoles which had 240p res or even lower it doesn't really bother me all that much that the current consoles can't do full HD in most games. I agree 1080p should be the standard for the next-gen consoles but that doesn't mean anything bellow that is unacceptable to me. After all, the Wii renders games at only 480p yet has visually pleasing games.

And no, I don't consider even $600 cheap for a gaming system.

I know you can do much more on the PC than gaming but for my non-gaming related needs the PC I currently have is sufficient.

nameless12345

Then what would you consider acheap gaming system? See the problem with your argument is that while gaming PC's cost more it offeres MORE value such as FULL HD 1080P, DX 11, Tesselation, Keyboard and mouse which pwns controls. Not to mention Steam which blows away Xbox Live and PSN.

I don't know. PC hardware tends to get outdated rather quickly and looses on value fast. You can buy the best PC today but it'll be average at best in two years. On the other hand, a console lasts you atleast five years without the need for any upgrades.

PC gaming is cheap only if you're a retro gamer or if you're not demanding.

Yet that average PC will still crush consoles into oblivion.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

Yeah but how many of these facebook gamers got a computer that do a lot more then play facebook games. Facebook games can be pretty muched play on even the crappiest PCs. I wanna see these facebook gamers try and load up something like Battlefield 3 or The Witcher on their computers.

NoodleFighter

See, this is the reason why "cutting-edge" PC games will never succeed as much as some Facebook games do. Most people just don't have the money or don't want to invest in expensive PCs.

They really don't need to succeed as much as a facebook since casual games in general will sell more easily then core.

True, they don't have to. But the publishers would sure want them to sell as good. ;)

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

See, this is the reason why "cutting-edge" PC games will never succeed as much as some Facebook games do. Most people just don't have the money or don't want to invest in expensive PCs.

nameless12345

They really don't need to succeed as much as a facebook since casual games in general will sell more easily then core.

True, they don't have to. But the publishers would sure want them to sell as good. ;)

Which is why AMD APUs should put into more consumer PCs they offer great performance:price for what they are and with a cheap dedicated GPU crossfired with it it'll be even better.

PC gamers can't be swindled like console gamers.

Grawse

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

A lil marketing for some of it's things wouldn't hurt I don't want commercials like this being a representive of PC gaming http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR-LSkFCgHE to the the uninformed whopeople will go o cool! *See's the price* Too expensive! It could educate the masses on what it has. I hear how people say PC doesn't have a service like XBL and PSN bam Steam ad shows up and telling you about it's offers like constant sales, being free, offering cross chat om game, etc, etc.

nameless12345

The 'masses' don't need to be 'educated' because the 'masses' are already going to be interested in console gaming; those who want an experience on the PC will actually invest time and interest into it.

You're making it sound as if all people who play PC games play only core PC games but it's actually Facebook and Flash games that most people play on the PC.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

A lil marketing for some of it's things wouldn't hurt I don't want commercials like this being a representive of PC gaming http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR-LSkFCgHE to the the uninformed whopeople will go o cool! *See's the price* Too expensive! It could educate the masses on what it has. I hear how people say PC doesn't have a service like XBL and PSN bam Steam ad shows up and telling you about it's offers like constant sales, being free, offering cross chat om game, etc, etc.

nameless12345

The 'masses' don't need to be 'educated' because the 'masses' are already going to be interested in console gaming; those who want an experience on the PC will actually invest time and interest into it.

You're making it sound as if all people who play PC games play only core PC games but it's actually Facebook and Flash games that most people play on the PC.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

A lil marketing for some of it's things wouldn't hurt I don't want commercials like this being a representive of PC gaming http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR-LSkFCgHE to the the uninformed whopeople will go o cool! *See's the price* Too expensive! It could educate the masses on what it has. I hear how people say PC doesn't have a service like XBL and PSN bam Steam ad shows up and telling you about it's offers like constant sales, being free, offering cross chat om game, etc, etc.

NoodleFighter

The 'masses' don't need to be 'educated' because the 'masses' are already going to be interested in console gaming; those who want an experience on the PC will actually invest time and interest into it.

The PC doesn't need those services, it's not centralised and never will be - nor does it ever need to be.

All these ideas are extremely ineffective in terms of marketing.

What will get people into PC gaming is the games, simply, and the way hardware is storming forwards and the lack of requirements - as well as web based and cloud games, means that the level of entry is lower.

Otherwise let idiots be idiots, if they're uninformed let them be brogamers on their XBoxes. It's not a loss at all.

People that are uninformed in general not just the internet. My Cousins who have console gamers since the day they were born were shocked to see me playing games on a PC because they thought it wasn't normal since they believed you couldn't use controllers, it has no exclusives outside of WoW and RTS or any of the multiplat games, PC rigs are $2000, no one they know plays on PC, etc. When I was in school I get bashed for being a PC gamer since people where telling me all PC has is WoW and Maplestory, you can't use a controller, you have to upgrade all the time, everyone on their is a hacker etc etc etc.

Believe me there are people out there that still think like this.

When I still was a primary console gamer (PS2+GC gen) and after my hatred for the Wii since it started gathering dust a lot of dust. I started geting into PC gaming in the 8th grade. I notice that in 6th grade when all the consoles and stuff where launched everyone was talking about which one to get and their games. No one even mentioned anything about PC and the upcoming Crysis. When I found out about Crysis in the 8th grade I was thinking "Oh **** I Wanna build a PC now!".I never heard a console gamer mention Crysis to this day till Crysis 2 came out.

I noticed that PC certainly doesn't get much attention I only new people who played on PC for certain things like WoW, Counterstrike, and some F2P games other then that they've never gone heavier. I only this one guy in his 20s who was into PC gaming as his main platform he had a custom built PC and a gaming laptop he pretty much played almost anything that was available on PC on it. He once took me and 10 other kids out to a internet cafe to have our own like Counter strike death match.

I guess we should just let people and allow them to flock naturally when they're informed on their own and the community.

Low and behold when I was at school and uni many people did game on their PC. People have different opinions, don't let that get the better of you if they're wrong.

If that's stopping your enjoyment then there's something wrong encroaching on you.

Low and behold I've been playing PC and console games since an extremely young age, still to this day, and my preferences are with the PC; I've had tons of friends over the years, a diverse variety who game on PCs or consoles, many of which do the same to this day - some rather more than the others. At the end of the day we all enjoyed playing video games, didn't matter what the system was.

There's no such thing as the rule, as there's so many exceptions to it - reality is consoles are more popular and always will be.

These people aren't going to support PC gaming, they're not interested in PC gaming - and if there is something that sparks their interest, indeed they'll come to it.

What has been a big seperator of the PC and consoles in the past is that its a platform that attracts people interested in it, rather than people who grow a casual consumer desire for it; it's not something that can simply be marketed; that's how core PC gaming has always been.

So you've had a rough time, and what I can say is don't let that create any prejudices; because then you'll end up the one making generalisations and acting like an overgrown child (which I imagine the people berating you were)..

It's the same as the children or overgrown children who argue over 'playstation versus xbox' brands etc. in general, or on these boards.

If they enjoy consoles more, and have misconceptions of the PC fine, let them, inform them that they're wrong and carry on. Getting aggravated about it only satisfies what they think is correct.

Anyhoo at the end of the day that's all petty school-yard stuff. Get involved with people who genuinely enjoy PC gaming and you'll be associating with a more positive community.

[QUOTE="Grawse"]

PC gamers can't be swindled like console gamers.

Merex760

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Considering even Valve applauds the success of Facebook games, I wouldn't say they aren't relevant for PC gaming.

nameless12345

Yeah but how many of these facebook gamers got a computer that do a lot more then play facebook games. Facebook games can be pretty muched play on even the crappiest PCs. I wanna see these facebook gamers try and load up something like Battlefield 3 or The Witcher on their computers.

See, this is the reason why "cutting-edge" PC games will never succeed as much as some Facebook games do. Most people just don't have the money or don't want to invest in expensive PCs.

The success of Facebook games has nothing to do with PC's being too expensive to upgrade. It has more to do with other factors. Firstly, the games are free to play (but offer some type of microtransaction), are extremely easy to play and are highly addictive. Also they incorporate a social aspect to the game that is also fueling the social networking craze that started with MySpace and Facebook is currently riding high on. You can not only catch up your friends and share your life (for whoever cares), you can also play a little farmville. So it's not that people don't want to upgrade or that these games are so good, it's the popularity of Facebook that is driving these games.

[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Considering I can still play old consoles which had 240p res or even lower it doesn't really bother me all that much that the current consoles can't do full HD in most games. I agree 1080p should be the standard for the next-gen consoles but that doesn't mean anything bellow that is unacceptable to me. After all, the Wii renders games at only 480p yet has visually pleasing games.

And no, I don't consider even $600 cheap for a gaming system.

I know you can do much more on the PC than gaming but for my non-gaming related needs the PC I currently have is sufficient.

nameless12345

Then what would you consider acheap gaming system? See the problem with your argument is that while gaming PC's cost more it offeres MORE value such as FULL HD 1080P, DX 11, Tesselation, Keyboard and mouse which pwns controls. Not to mention Steam which blows away Xbox Live and PSN.

I don't know. PC hardware tends to get outdated rather quickly and looses on value fast. You can buy the best PC today but it'll be average at best in two years. On the other hand, a console lasts you atleast five years without the need for any upgrades.

PC gaming is cheap only if you're a retro gamer or if you're not demanding.

Your statment doesn't make sense or either that you don't know much about PC gaming. My system in my sig minus the GPU and CPU was buit in 2008. I had a HD 4870 back then and it would still run most games in FULL HD 1080P in DX9/10 in 2011. And it wasn't the best PC in 2008. Whether it's average at best is irrelavant to the discussion because a PC with a HD 4870 will easily mow down the Xbox 360 and PS3.

Your statment doesn't make sense or either that you don't know much about PC gaming. My system in my sig minus the GPU and CPU was buit in 2008. I had a HD 4870 back then and it would still run most games in FULL HD 1080P in DX9/10 in 2011. And it wasn't the best PC in 2008. Whether it's average at best is irrelavant to the discussion because a PC with a HD 4870 will easily mow down the Xbox 360 and PS3.

[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

Your statment doesn't make sense or either that you don't know much about PC gaming. My system in my sig minus the GPU and CPU was buit in 2008. I had a HD 4870 back then and it would still run most games in FULL HD 1080P in DX9/10 in 2011. And it wasn't the best PC in 2008. Whether it's average at best is irrelavant to the discussion because a PC with a HD 4870 will easily mow down the Xbox 360 and PS3.

lowe0

Never saidmy current PC is exactly the same.The parts that were swaped out would still play most games in FULL HD 1080P in DX9/DX 10. So, your point? A HD 4870 would still play most games in FULL HD 1080P. It will run games at much higher resolutions and settings that a Xbox 360 or PS3. So, your point.

And what hardware do you have?

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

Your statment doesn't make sense or either that you don't know much about PC gaming. My system in my sig minus the GPU and CPU was buit in 2008. I had a HD 4870 back then and it would still run most games in FULL HD 1080P in DX9/10 in 2011. And it wasn't the best PC in 2008. Whether it's average at best is irrelavant to the discussion because a PC with a HD 4870 will easily mow down the Xbox 360 and PS3.

Xtasy26

And the parts that were swaped out would still play most games in FULL HD 1080P in DX9/DX 10. So, your point? A HD 4870 would still play most games in FULL HD 1080P. It will run games at much higher resolutions and settings that a Xbox 360 or PS3. So, your point.

And what hardware do you have?

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

Your statment doesn't make sense or either that you don't know much about PC gaming. My system in my sig minus the GPU and CPU was buit in 2008. I had a HD 4870 back then and it would still run most games in FULL HD 1080P in DX9/10 in 2011. And it wasn't the best PC in 2008. Whether it's average at best is irrelavant to the discussion because a PC with a HD 4870 will easily mow down the Xbox 360 and PS3.

Xtasy26

And the parts that were swaped out would still play most games in FULL HD 1080P in DX9/DX 10. So, your point? A HD 4870 would still play most games in FULL HD 1080P. It will run games at much higher resolutions and settings that a Xbox 360 or PS3. So, your point.

And what hardware do you have?

The new argument of the consolite is to claim they have an Uber rig but still prefer to play consoles because "they look better" or are "easier to use". Then when pressed for details of their hardware, do a quick google and sometimes not understanding put up something useless such as I have a quad core system with 2 GB of RAM.

[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] So your PC is exactly the same, except for swapping out two of the most expensive and most frequently refreshed components. Wow, that's quite a compelling argument. Oh, and your PC is already pretty meh. I'm a consolite and I have more hardware than that.lowe0

And the parts that were swaped out would still play most games in FULL HD 1080P in DX9/DX 10. So, your point? A HD 4870 would still play most games in FULL HD 1080P. It will run games at much higher resolutions and settings that a Xbox 360 or PS3. So, your point.

And what hardware do you have?

My argument still holds A HD 4870 could max out most games in FULL HD 1080P in DX 9/10. And it could certainly run games at much higher resolution and settings than Xbox 360/PS3.

[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] So your PC is exactly the same, except for swapping out two of the most expensive and most frequently refreshed components. Wow, that's quite a compelling argument. Oh, and your PC is already pretty meh. I'm a consolite and I have more hardware than that.menes777

And the parts that were swaped out would still play most games in FULL HD 1080P in DX9/DX 10. So, your point? A HD 4870 would still play most games in FULL HD 1080P. It will run games at much higher resolutions and settings that a Xbox 360 or PS3. So, your point.

And what hardware do you have?

The new argument of the consolite is to claim they have an Uber rig but still prefer to play consoles because "they look better" or are "easier to use". Then when pressed for details of their hardware, do a quick google and sometimes not understanding put up something useless such as I have a quad core system with 2 GB of RAM.

Correct. And mines old setup cost around $650 this was back in 2008.

[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] So your PC is exactly the same, except for swapping out two of the most expensive and most frequently refreshed components. Wow, that's quite a compelling argument. Oh, and your PC is already pretty meh. I'm a consolite and I have more hardware than that.menes777

And the parts that were swaped out would still play most games in FULL HD 1080P in DX9/DX 10. So, your point? A HD 4870 would still play most games in FULL HD 1080P. It will run games at much higher resolutions and settings that a Xbox 360 or PS3. So, your point.

And what hardware do you have?

The new argument of the consolite is to claim they have an Uber rig but still prefer to play consoles because "they look better" or are "easier to use". Then when pressed for details of their hardware, do a quick google and sometimes not understanding put up something useless such as I have a quad core system with 2 GB of RAM.

The UK advert for F1 2011 shows Gaming rigs with steering wheels etc. And saying actual PC gameplay.

I was in shock:shock:

[QUOTE="menes777"]

[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

And the parts that were swaped out would still play most games in FULL HD 1080P in DX9/DX 10. So, your point? A HD 4870 would still play most games in FULL HD 1080P. It will run games at much higher resolutions and settings that a Xbox 360 or PS3. So, your point.

And what hardware do you have?

lowe0

The new argument of the consolite is to claim they have an Uber rig but still prefer to play consoles because "they look better" or are "easier to use". Then when pressed for details of their hardware, do a quick google and sometimes not understanding put up something useless such as I have a quad core system with 2 GB of RAM.

Or you could post a screen shot of your windows which shows your hardware specs and write in notepad with your GS user ID.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="menes777"]

The new argument of the consolite is to claim they have an Uber rig but still prefer to play consoles because "they look better" or are "easier to use". Then when pressed for details of their hardware, do a quick google and sometimes not understanding put up something useless such as I have a quad core system with 2 GB of RAM.

Xtasy26

Or you could post a screen shot of your windows which shows your hardware specs and write in notepad with your GS user ID.

[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] $20 to the charity of the winner's choice says I own the hardware listed. If you're going to accuse me of "a quick google" then back it up.lowe0

Or you could post a screen shot of your windows which shows your hardware specs and write in notepad with your GS user ID.

Feel free to do whatever you want....

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

Or you could post a screen shot of your windows which shows your hardware specs and write in notepad with your GS user ID.

Xtasy26

Feel free to do whatever you want....

$20 to the charity of the winner's choice says I own the hardware listed. If you're going to accuse me of "a quick google" then back it up.lowe0

You are the one claiming something so you should back it up. Don't make other people prove you false. Russell's teapot and all.

Funny how PC gamers love to call me out, but when it's time to put up or shut up, suddenly their bravado evaporates.lowe0

You say you are a PC gamer :?

[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] So you're taking me up on that?lowe0

Feel free to do whatever you want....

I wasn'tcalling you out. You could post a screenshot or not, it's up to you. You have your freedom. No one is going to force you to do anything you don't want to.

It's when consolers claim that they have a Quad Core and graphics card with 1GB without going into specifics is when you could sometimes tell that they are making up stuff.

[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] So you're taking me up on that?lowe0

Feel free to do whatever you want....

I'm just curious, if you don't like playing games on a pc, why did you buy an sli rig?

You say you are a PC gamer :?

R4gn4r0k

It's when consolers claim that they have a Quad Core and graphics card with 1GB without going into specifics is when you could sometimes tell that they are making up stuff.

Xtasy26

I'm just curious, if you don't like playing games on a pc, why did you buy an sli rig?

topgunmv

[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] So you're taking me up on that?lowe0

Feel free to do whatever you want....

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

Feel free to do whatever you want....

harshv82

i am not a fanboy since i play games on anything ,the problem is there no platform where you can play every games ,example mmorpg like wow game like napoleon total war are pc kind of game,console also have their stronghold. some gamer are tech savy other dont want to bother to learn,some will have their eyes bleeding if they see aliasing other dont care but they will swear if the game dosent start when they put the disc in .

Blog it. PC Gaming at its core will never be as mainstream as console gaming. That's what PC gaming is, and there's no need to change its perception or identity. It's a platform self contained and with a whole lot of intricacies and a learning curve surrounding it. It's not a product marketed to a casual or general market like a console, it's entirely self dependent and there for users who want to be involved in it - not told that this is an experience that they want to have. And that's part of Core PC gaming's identity, and why it'll never, not ever, be as large as console, or hell - cloud and web based gaming.skrat_01

[QUOTE="harshv82"][QUOTE="lowe0"] Funny how PC gamers love to call me out, but when it's time to put up or shut up, suddenly their bravado evaporates.lowe0

[QUOTE="lowe0"]

Or you could show your PC specs and prove everyone wrong. Or you can go back to lying ... your choice. harshv82

[QUOTE="lowe0"] I'm curious as to why you would accuse me of lying.

The new argument of the consolite is to claim they have an Uber rig but still prefer to play consoles because "they look better" or are "easier to use". Then when pressed for details of their hardware, do a quick google and sometimes not understanding put up something useless such as I have a quad core system with 2 GB of RAM.

menes777

I have the rig in my sig

I still enjoy playing on consoles, or even handhelds, as much as I play my PC.

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them a liar. If you're going to question him over whether or not he owns a PC, then everyone here should have to provide proof on the systems they say they own.

[QUOTE="menes777"]

The new argument of the consolite is to claim they have an Uber rig but still prefer to play consoles because "they look better" or are "easier to use". Then when pressed for details of their hardware, do a quick google and sometimes not understanding put up something useless such as I have a quad core system with 2 GB of RAM.

Kickinurass

I have the rig in my sig

I still enjoy playing on consoles, or even handhelds, as much as I play my PC.

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them a liar. If you're going to question him over whether or not he owns a PC, then everyone here should have to provide proof on the systems they say they own.

I've notice that there has been this perception problem with PC. Everyone I know who is a console only gamer believes PC gaming requires you to constantly upgrade your system, update your drivers (I bet these people don't even know what they're talking about when you say you have to update your drivers and it's not as often as you think), it has no exclusives, you can't use a controller, you can't game on the couch, can't play with friends locally without lan,etc.NoodleFighter

PC gaming requires hardware upgrades, driver updates, it has no exclusives (exclusive is a marketing term denoting a game being held back from other platforms on purpose to drive hardware sales, not simply being unavailable due to low interest), controller support is based on the game, gaming on the couch with a PC is both inconvenient, inelegant and suboptimal (TV's only go up to 1080p, your PC gets better resolution on a monitor), I'm sure there's PC games have local multiplayer but they are relatively few and not widely known.

For the record I believe you once stated that you were 15 years old. Which means I've PC gamed longer than you've been alive.

PC gaming has alot of positive qualities.

Its main negative quality is there are corporate forces at work actively seeking to destroy it (they never will, not completely anyway) and the other negative quality is we are forced to rely on Microsoft which has a proven track-record of buying out anything that people enjoy, and driving it into the ground to monetize it. They are like reverse Midas, anything they touch turns to s**t.

The Xbox360 shares this problem (of being a Microsoft product) but so far has stood the test of time so maybe they're learning from their mistakes, time will tell.

When I look at graphics comparisons people say "who cares the difference is slight I don't wanna pay $2000 for slightly better graphics" I can easily tell the difference between a PC and Console on a multiplat title. Slight is when you compare Xbox 360 to PS3 not PC. Youtube quality decreases the overall look, and if it doesn't help people think the differnce between BF3 on PC and PS3 are slight due to a poor job of making a proper comparison, both are highly compressed, both sides are reduced to tiny screens instead of being it stead of a comparison done by some one like Robbaz who does it more properly clearly. People are still looking at the outdated Crysis 2 PC and Console comparisons forgetting that DX11 and Hi rez texture pack have been released and assuming "I don't see the big difference except the $1000 price difference why bother with PC when I can just an Xbox 360 and a 42in 1080p TV".

NoodleFighter

By and large every single console game I've played looks great.

I'm saying that while still having access to a PC.

The "improvement" is marginal at best, and even tho I can run everything on my rig, I still prefer to use a console.

It's more comfortable and I like it, and it's my money to spend.

For starters when it comes to marketing at the end of the commercial for a multiplat game I notice they the PC DVD logo and Games for Windows logo

NoodleFighter

Well of course marketing for PC is alot worse.

It's an open platform, so no company has a stake in it, no company is sponsoring it.

It's Sony and MS making big marketing logos and such for consoles.

Why would they make a logo for PC?

They're not getting paid royalties for it.

Perhaps in the future you should debate people's arguments instead of accusing them of "making stuff up." That goes not only for me, but for everyone else - if you're not going to take people at face value, there's not much point in debate. lowe0

Uh, where in the world did I say you are "making stuff up". Don't put words into my mouth.

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="menes777"]

The new argument of the consolite is to claim they have an Uber rig but still prefer to play consoles because "they look better" or are "easier to use". Then when pressed for details of their hardware, do a quick google and sometimes not understanding put up something useless such as I have a quad core system with 2 GB of RAM.

lawlessx

I have the rig in my sig

I still enjoy playing on consoles, or even handhelds, as much as I play my PC.

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them a liar. If you're going to question him over whether or not he owns a PC, then everyone here should have to provide proof on the systems they say they own.

Are you implying that PC fanboys don't make similar claims? Fanboys are fanboys, regardless of the system they prefer and they will all make up information if they think they won't get caught.

But that's besides the point. I wouldn't go so far to call Lowe a console fanboy, the same way I wouldn't say you were a PC fanboy. You both are fans, for sure, but I think we all can agree the true fanboys tend to be noticeably more irrational in their arguments. I just think it's a bit rude of Menes to assume Lowe was lying fanboy just because Lowe's doesn't share the idea that PC gaming is the end-all be-all.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

Feel free to do whatever you want....

harshv82

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

I have the rig in my sig

I still enjoy playing on consoles, or even handhelds, as much as I play my PC.

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them a liar. If you're going to question him over whether or not he owns a PC, then everyone here should have to provide proof on the systems they say they own.

Kickinurass

Are you implying that PC fanboys don't make similar claims? Fanboys are fanboys, regardless of the system they prefer and they will all make up information if they think they won't get caught.

But that's besides the point. I wouldn't go so far to call Lowe a console fanboy, the same way I wouldn't say you were a PC fanboy. You both are fans, for sure, but I think we all can agree the true fanboys tend to be noticeably more irrational in their arguments. I just think it's a bit rude of Menes to assume Lowe was lying fanboy just because Lowe's doesn't share the idea that PC gaming is the end-all be-all.

I agree with you 100%

In the case of Lowe i think it just baffles people why someone that claims to be a PC gamer or owns a gaming Rig would have alot of negative things to say about PC gaming and almost never mention anything positive. I can recall afew stories of posters stating that they have "insert console/platform" only to be discovered that they were lying when questioned..and these posters tend to point out alot of negative things about said platform

Lying, huh? Looks like you're first in line to get owned.

lowe0

I'm not really that interested in this thread. But, if you want to shut people up, posting proof is something more like this:

^^ dude that is that a coolmaster tower? looks awesome.lawlessx

My midtower? It's a PIECE OF JUNK circa 2005 Aspire (now Apevia) X-Cruiser. The only reason I like it is because I can see if dust bunnies are collecting inside. He He.

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

I've notice that there has been this perception problem with PC. Everyone I know who is a console only gamer believes PC gaming requires you to constantly upgrade your system, update your drivers (I bet these people don't even know what they're talking about when you say you have to update your drivers and it's not as often as you think), it has no exclusives, you can't use a controller, you can't game on the couch, can't play with friends locally without lan,etc.ZombieKiller7

PC gaming requires hardware upgrades, driver updates, it has no exclusives (exclusive is a marketing term denoting a game being held back from other platforms on purpose to drive hardware sales, not simply being unavailable due to low interest), controller support is based on the game, gaming on the couch with a PC is both inconvenient, inelegant and suboptimal (TV's only go up to 1080p, your PC gets better resolution on a monitor), I'm sure there's PC games have local multiplayer but they are relatively few and not widely known.

That doesn't really apply to PC since you don't see Nvidia and AMD going around saying here's $50 million make mean epic high end game only for PC so I can sell more GPUs. Like you see for consoles and their first party exclusives which make most of their exclusives. If a game can't be played on any other platform then it's an exclusive. Controller support is pratically in every multiplat available for the PC and even some PC exclusives of course you're not going to see gamepad support for something like Shogun 2 Total war or ArmA 2, but you can see it for others I can name a lot off the back of my head that have gamepad support. The average PC gamer plays at 1080p anyway. I don't see many PC gamers going woot I have 1600p monitor (those are expensive as hell) and those types are for the mega enthusiast. I don't really see the big deal with drivers sinc it's easy as heck to do and barely consumes a lot of time. Upgrading for PC hardware is required depending on what settings you want. You can still play games with older hardware with reasonable settings but don't be an idiot and think your 9800Gt will do BF3 on ultra with 1080p and maintain a high fps.

For the record I believe you once stated that you were 15 years old. Which means I've PC gamed longer than you've been alive.

PC gaming has alot of positive qualities.

Its main negative quality is there are corporate forces at work actively seeking to destroy it (they never will, not completely anyway) and the other negative quality is we are forced to rely on Microsoft which has a proven track-record of buying out anything that people enjoy, and driving it into the ground to monetize it. They are like reverse Midas, anything they touch turns to s**t.

The Xbox360 shares this problem (of being a Microsoft product) but so far has stood the test of time so maybe they're learning from their mistakes, time will tell.

When I look at graphics comparisons people say "who cares the difference is slight I don't wanna pay $2000 for slightly better graphics" I can easily tell the difference between a PC and Console on a multiplat title. Slight is when you compare Xbox 360 to PS3 not PC. Youtube quality decreases the overall look, and if it doesn't help people think the differnce between BF3 on PC and PS3 are slight due to a poor job of making a proper comparison, both are highly compressed, both sides are reduced to tiny screens instead of being it stead of a comparison done by some one like Robbaz who does it more properly clearly. People are still looking at the outdated Crysis 2 PC and Console comparisons forgetting that DX11 and Hi rez texture pack have been released and assuming "I don't see the big difference except the $1000 price difference why bother with PC when I can just an Xbox 360 and a 42in 1080p TV".

NoodleFighter

By and large every single console game I've played looks great.

I'm saying that while still having access to a PC.

The "improvement" is marginal at best, and even tho I can run everything on my rig, I still prefer to use a console.

It's more comfortable and I like it, and it's my money to spend.

For starters when it comes to marketing at the end of the commercial for a multiplat game I notice they the PC DVD logo and Games for Windows logo

NoodleFighter

Well of course marketing for PC is alot worse.

It's an open platform, so no company has a stake in it, no company is sponsoring it.

It's Sony and MS making big marketing logos and such for consoles.

Why would they make a logo for PC?

They're not getting paid royalties for it.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"]^^ dude that is that a coolmaster tower? looks awesome.jun_aka_pekto

My midtower? It's a PIECE OF JUNK circa 2005 Aspire (now Apevia) X-Cruiser. The only reason I like it is because I can see if dust bunnies are collecting inside. He He.

Looks like my case, except with a fancier front end.

Kept mine around because the thing is built like a tank (and weighs almost as much).

Pfftt this is what my case looks like! Azza Solano :)