Project Natal on the late night show w/ Jimmy fallon! Crowd goes crazy!

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="bufu21"] Ok what about Platforming...or strategy/turnbased games?wolverine4262

Or anything combat heavy (action-adventure), fighting (can you imagine pulling combos off in SFIV with Natal), team sports.....etc etc.

Sports: calling plays is the least of my concerns. What about movement, player positioning, passing/shooting/stick handling?

Fighting: moves that involve acrobatic moves that would be impossible to expect your average to pull off? We're not talking punchout and your suggestion pretty much means you're going to have to dumb the game down in order to work FOR Natal instead of the other way around like it's INTENDED to do.

Platforming: you haven't suggested anything to solve the main important roadblocks. Camera is the least likely thing to cause an issue so there's really nothing there.

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"][QUOTE="Squall18"]

I don't know, the Burnout Paradise demo was amazing

CreepyBacon

Did we watch the same video? It was slow and unresponsive? :lol: Massive damage control.

They showed a casual game, was a bit messed up but it wasn't supposed to be some high budget amazing thing and then they showed a "hardcore" game, that wasn't even built with natal in mind and it worked FLAWLESSLY, no delay, no lag no unresponsiveness. I could totally sit on my couch and play that with Natal.

[QUOTE="bufu21"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"]I see natal being compatible with practically any genre...I dont understand why some of you only see this working with small games. Depending on which features within the camera you decide to use (voice recognition, facial recognition, motion) it can be adapted for anything, especially in conjunction w/ the 360 controller or one made just fro the camera.Ninja-Hippo

So instead of playing a decent RTS on my PC with an actual mouse, I'd have to settle for an invisible one for an already watered-down genre on the console?

Pass.

My biggest gripe about Natal is that you're going to have to create games catered for Natal so it'll work well, when really it should be the other way around by having Natal be integrated into games that we love and enjoy everyday. Otherwise, we'd just have a glorified Wii on our hands sans controller.

Seems like every time people try Natal out or watch someone try it out they go crazy. This thing is a hit.

Sports: calling plays is the least of my concerns. What about movement, player positioning, passing/shooting/stick handling?

Fighting: moves that involve acrobatic moves that would be impossible to expect your average to pull off? We're not talking punchout and your suggestion pretty much means you're going to have to dumb the game down in order to work FOR Natal instead of the other way around like it's INTENDED to do.

Platforming: you haven't suggested anything to solve the main important roadblocks. Camera is the least likely thing to cause an issue so there's really nothing there.

Gxgear

[QUOTE="verbalfilth"]I was watching Craig Ferguson. =) anyways, on topic: MS can publicize this thing all they want...but in the end of the day I see natal failing....why? because it isn't a compulsory/main feature of the xbox 360 like motion controls is to the wii... I see it ending up like the eye toy...but that's just one man's opinion.Jrfanfreak88

You're crazy if you don't think MS won't bundle this with a new SKU. Project NATAL with an XBOX 360 and a game that uses the camera and it'll sell for people wanting it for motion capablities. Guarantee.

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]Sports: calling plays is the least of my concerns. What about movement, player positioning, passing/shooting/stick handling?

Fighting: moves that involve acrobatic moves that would be impossible to expect your average to pull off? We're not talking punchout and your suggestion pretty much means you're going to have to dumb the game down in order to work FOR Natal instead of the other way around like it's INTENDED to do.

Platforming: you haven't suggested anything to solve the main important roadblocks. Camera is the least likely thing to cause an issue so there's really nothing there.

wolverine4262

Then you would have been better off in saying you don't know how it will work, because I'm looking for viable solutions instead of half-baked ones.

Then you would have been better off in saying you don't know how it will work, because I'm looking for viable solutions instead of half-baked ones.

Gxgear

[QUOTE="Jrfanfreak88"][QUOTE="verbalfilth"]I was watching Craig Ferguson. =) anyways, on topic: MS can publicize this thing all they want...but in the end of the day I see natal failing....why? because it isn't a compulsory/main feature of the xbox 360 like motion controls is to the wii... I see it ending up like the eye toy...but that's just one man's opinion.fourseamer4

You're crazy if you don't think MS won't bundle this with a new SKU. Project NATAL with an XBOX 360 and a game that uses the camera and it'll sell for people wanting it for motion capablities. Guarantee.

Video wont work for me, just loads infinately. :(Ninja-Hippo

try this one

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]Then you would have been better off in saying you don't know how it will work, because I'm looking for viable solutions instead of half-baked ones.

wolverine4262

Here's one: how abot I play with a controller?

Sorry I get annoyed when people try to defend ideas that is obviously going after sales rather than being a good product.

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]Then you would have been better off in saying you don't know how it will work, because I'm looking for viable solutions instead of half-baked ones.

Gxgear

Here's one: how abot I play with a controller?

Sorry I get annoyed when people try to defend ideas that is obviously going after sales rather than being a good product.

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"] I dont know where all the hostility is coming from. You know what? You are so good at shooting down other peoples ideas, why not come up with some of your own? Im just snowballing here. Its tough, but im sure someone more creative than me can figure it out.

wolverine4262

Here's one: how abot I play with a controller?

Sorry I get annoyed when people try to defend ideas that is obviously going after sales rather than being a good product.

Or maybe, just maybe, that no one will buy it when you can't use it to play anything. Why would Natal need software support when it's suppose to enchance the user's gaming experience?

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]Then you would have been better off in saying you don't know how it will work, because I'm looking for viable solutions instead of half-baked ones.

Gxgear

Here's one: how abot I play with a controller?

Sorry I get annoyed when people try to defend ideas that is obviously going after sales rather than being a good product.

[QUOTE="Squall18"]

I don't know, the Burnout Paradise demo was amazing

Jrfanfreak88

Or maybe, just maybe, that no one will buy it when you can't use it to play anything. Why would Natal need software support when it's suppose to enchance the user's gaming experience?

Gxgear

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"] I dont know where all the hostility is coming from. You know what? You are so good at shooting down other peoples ideas, why not come up with some of your own? Im just snowballing here. Its tough, but im sure someone more creative than me can figure it out.

bingbaocao

Here's one: how abot I play with a controller?

Sorry I get annoyed when people try to defend ideas that is obviously going after sales rather than being a good product.

I'm not old enough to make a comment on that? But good for you.

Way to compare apples and oranges.

Way to compare apples and oranges.Gxgear

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]Or maybe, just maybe, that no one will buy it when you can't use it to play anything. Why would Natal need software support when it's suppose to enchance the user's gaming experience?

wolverine4262

This shouldn't need games made catered to Natal in order to well, otherwise we'd just have another case of Wii Sports or Wii Fit on our hands. We know it works for sports games (racing included in there), but how will it respond outside that genre in the exisiting library of games? Last time I checked you can accomplish what Natal did with Burnout on a steering wheel.

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]Way to compare apples and oranges.bingbaocao

You're comparing a successful transition from joystick to controllers (not that I even consider that a real dramatic change), while Natal has a relatively uncertain future.

I don't see you using past failures like NGage to handheld gaming as comparison, or something even more relevant: the Eyetoy.

So yes, excuse you.

[QUOTE="bingbaocao"]

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]Way to compare apples and oranges.Gxgear

You're comparing a successful transition from joystick to controllers (not that I even consider that a real dramatic change), while Natal has a relatively uncertain future.

I don't see you using past failures like NGage to handheld gaming as comparison, or something even more relevant: the Eyetoy.

So yes, excuse you.

so... you were saying something about apples and oranges?

i think this will be a bigger failure than hd-dvd and nintendo's virtual thing they had long time ago.

This shouldn't need games made catered to Natal in order to well, otherwise we'd just have another case of Wii Sports or Wii Fit on our hands. We know it works for sports games (racing included in there), but how will it respond outside that genre in the exisiting library of games? Last time I checked you can accomplish what Natal did with Burnout on a steering wheel.

Gxgear

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="bingbaocao"] excuse me? weren't you the one who just said "how about I play with a controller?" when discussing natal? who's comparing apples with oranges again?

bingbaocao

You're comparing a successful transition from joystick to controllers (not that I even consider that a real dramatic change), while Natal has a relatively uncertain future.

I don't see you using past failures like NGage to handheld gaming as comparison, or something even more relevant: the Eyetoy.

So yes, excuse you.

so... you were saying something about apples and oranges?

When you made that comment you know it was successful.

But I guess only the successful examples are given because Natal is going to revolutionze the industry, amiright? ;)

When you made that comment you know it was successful.

But I guess only the successful examples are given because Natal is going to revolutionze the industry, amiright? ;)

Gxgear

but hey, at least you tried

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

When you made that comment you know it was successful.

But I guess only the successful examples are given because Natal is going to revolutionze the industry, amiright? ;)

bingbaocao

but hey, at least you tried

I'm as accepting as I can be when asked to be driving with an imaginary wheel suspended in mid-air and pretend I'm actually playing a video game.

I think you're a little bit confused...why would I have to try as the consumer?

I'm as accepting as I can be when asked to be driving with an imaginary wheel suspended in mid-air and pretend I'm actually playing a video game.

I think you're a little bit confused...why would I have to try as the consumer?

Gxgear

[QUOTE="bingbaocao"]

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

When you made that comment you know it was successful.

But I guess only the successful examples are given because Natal is going to revolutionze the industry, amiright? ;)

Gxgear

but hey, at least you tried

I'm as accepting as I can be when asked to be driving with an imaginary wheel suspended in mid-air and pretend I'm actually playing a video game.

I think you're a little bit confused...why would I have to try as the consumer?

but hey don't feel bad, i guess some people like controllers while others just don't want to stop using the joystick

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="bingbaocao"] When did i ever say or imply that? I was simply criticizing you narrow mindedness in accepting new control methods, i never said that natal will be a sucess

but hey, at least you tried

bingbaocao

I'm as accepting as I can be when asked to be driving with an imaginary wheel suspended in mid-air and pretend I'm actually playing a video game.

I think you're a little bit confused...why would I have to try as the consumer?

but hey don't feel bad, i guess some people like controllers while others just don't want to stop using the joystick

You implied I did, you forgetful person you.

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]I'm as accepting as I can be when asked to be driving with an imaginary wheel suspended in mid-air and pretend I'm actually playing a video game.

I think you're a little bit confused...why would I have to try as the consumer?

wolverine4262

"Sure, I'm gushing, but there are limitations to my praise. First, there was no way to boost, bring up the map, change the viewpoint, etc. I know that this wasn't a fully-fleshed out game, but it did get me thinking: Will all that stuff that's not driving just become an annoyance with Natal? How much will it take me out of the experience to keep picking up the controller every few minutes?

Also, I had to stand the whole time. As a person living with chubbiness, that's not the way I want to play video games all the time. Could they design it so you could play while sitting? Most likely. But I'm remaining skeptical on behalf of all my sedentary people."

I see the guy shares some of my doubts.

You implied I did, you forgetful person you.

Gxgear

quote?

I can not wait to try out this thing and use it casually. I always wanted to shadow box and drive without using any kind of controller in my hands and Natal will let me do that. If the price is right it's definitely a day one purchase for me and everyone in this dorm.

"Sure, I'm gushing, but there are limitations to my praise. First, there was no way to boost, bring up the map, change the viewpoint, etc. I know that this wasn't a fully-fleshed out game, but it did get me thinking: Will all that stuff that's not driving just become an annoyance with Natal? How much will it take me out of the experience to keep picking up the controller every few minutes?

Also, I had to stand the whole time. As a person living with chubbiness, that's not the way I want to play video games all the time. Could they design it so you could play while sitting? Most likely. But I'm remaining skeptical on behalf of all my sedentary people."

I see the guy shares some of my doubts.

Gxgear

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

More casual gaming...this gen is going to hell.

Haziqonfire

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

You implied I did, you forgetful person you.

bingbaocao

quote?

Dude, I made a thread on this last night. That is so lame.

Oh well, that pretty much sold me on Natal. If it's for a reasonable price, I'll get it for sure.

[QUOTE="bingbaocao"]

but hey, at least you tried

Gxgear

EDIT: Oh i get it now, you do know that sentence is figure of speach right? As in "at lest you tried to spin it negativly"

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]"Sure, I'm gushing, but there are limitations to my praise. First, there was no way to boost, bring up the map, change the viewpoint, etc. I know that this wasn't a fully-fleshed out game, but it did get me thinking: Will all that stuff that's not driving just become an annoyance with Natal? How much will it take me out of the experience to keep picking up the controller every few minutes?

Also, I had to stand the whole time. As a person living with chubbiness, that's not the way I want to play video games all the time. Could they design it so you could play while sitting? Most likely. But I'm remaining skeptical on behalf of all my sedentary people."

I see the guy shares some of my doubts.

wolverine4262

Good job failing to note the quote is a good chunk of the article, and not all of it negative. It would be easy to assing a lot of funtions to voice input, but then I woul only need a mic to do that.

Good job failing to note the quote is a good chunk of the article, and not all of it negative. It would be easy to assing a lot of funtions to voice input, but then I woul only need a mic to do that.

Gxgear

why didnt you quote the part where he said it controlled better than the standard controller?

I know. That was a good move by MS. Saddly nobody watches or learns from E3 but gamers.

I remember people argueing how gaming will get so simplified even to a point that we'll get 1 button controllers that even toddlers can pick up and play. They where half wrong, we wont get 1 button controllers. We'll get no controller at all. Can it get anymore dumbed down seriously? Will casuals find waving their arms about difficult next?

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

Good job failing to note the quote is a good chunk of the article, and not all of it negative. It would be easy to assing a lot of funtions to voice input, but then I woul only need a mic to do that.

wolverine4262

why didnt you quote the part where he said it controlled better than the standard controller?

Because I'm pointing out the doubts and potential pitfalls, I'm obviously not here to agree with you or joing the parade of lemmings lapping it all up.