Proof the WiiU online will be a joke

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#201 Bruce_Benzing
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="PopeReal"] Every console is a toy, they play video games. Does that bother your gamer ego?locopatho

Yeah but PS3 is an adult toy for me

Proof that cows actually fvck their PS3s.... A lot of things are finally starting to make sense... including their love of the word "butthurt" :?

I guess we know what they really use the Move for now....

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#202 themajormayor
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[QUOTE="6matt6"][QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="6matt6"] You know someone is a child when they go around bragging about their 'adult' toys. Seriously if thats your mentality about buying entertainment products your house must be filled with sex toys. Can't get more adult than that.

Don't need no sex toys anymore :cool: not since 2006

Let me be the first to tell you. Bragging about not needing sex toys doesn't sound nearly as cool as you thought it did.

Yes it did :cool:
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#203 percuvius2
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i'm done with chatting....nothing but trash talk, people chewing food on the mic, people coughing and sniffing, people playing music in their room, hearing an echo of your own voice because the guy has his tv loud....

i'm done with it....

and if you have friends then buy the 3rd party mic...all the best mic on 360/ps3 is 3rd party anyway...

and about the the wiiu pro pad not having a mic input....umm. the wiiupad is the same thing why even buy the pro controller.

KBFloYd

Hahahaha, how could you possibly miss the MUTE option? nintendo defense force FAIL!

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#204 Fizzman
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[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

i'm done with chatting....nothing but trash talk, people chewing food on the mic, people coughing and sniffing, people playing music in their room, hearing an echo of your own voice because the guy has his tv loud....

i'm done with it....

and if you have friends then buy the 3rd party mic...all the best mic on 360/ps3 is 3rd party anyway...

and about the the wiiu pro pad not having a mic input....umm. the wiiupad is the same thing why even buy the pro controller.

percuvius2

Hahahaha, how could you possibly miss the MUTE option? nintendo defense force FAIL!

Remember, Nintendo can do no wrong. They are always right. That is the 1st Commandment for Sheep.

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#205 Capitan_Kid
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Thats so stupid. There are people who actually like to talk to their friends while playing games.
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#206 ithilgore2006
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Mmm-hmm. Proof, eh? When the system isn't out and you've never touched one.

I'm not even reading your "proof".

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#207 percuvius2
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wiiuniversity is made for oriental children, can't have them hearing bad words over the internet. How is no chat on a childrens console a surprise exactly?

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#208 ShyGai
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wiiuniversity is made for oriental children, can't have them hearing bad words over the internet. How is no chat on a childrens console a surprise exactly?

percuvius2

Since the console is going to be a more online oriented. It's surprising/weird that mics aren't included from the get go.

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#209 RR360DD
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[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]Says you. I play other stuff on my Nintendo consoles. And FYI, I game online on a Nintendo product.

nintendoboy16

You are a minority.

Minority or not. That doesn't mean "nobody".

Thats no excuse. How about Nintendo have standard voice chat and people who don't want it can ignore it. It shouldn't be the other way around where its overly-difficult / impossible for people who do want it.

This is a console coming out in 2012 :lol: and they are trying to capture the CoD market with crap like this? No chance.

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#210 percuvius2
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[QUOTE="percuvius2"]

wiiuniversity is made for oriental children, can't have them hearing bad words over the internet. How is no chat on a childrens console a surprise exactly?

ShyGai

Since the console is going to be a more online oriented. It's surprising/weird that mics aren't included from the get go.

Not really a surprise in a children's console.

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#211 nintendoboy16
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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="Fizzman"]

You are a minority.

RR360DD

Minority or not. That doesn't mean "nobody".

Thats no excuse. How about Nintendo have standard voice chat and people who don't want it can ignore it. It shouldn't be the other way around where its overly-difficult / impossible for people who do want it.

This is a console coming out in 2012 :lol: and they are trying to capture the CoD market with crap like this? No chance.

You realize my response to Fizzman had to do with another part of his point, right? :|

It's stuff like this (among many other things) that makes me wonder why Nintendo TRIES to please this community anymore, when all they get is backlash, even if the news is either good, or no big deal (I see the mic support as the latter).

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#212 RR360DD
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[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] Minority or not. That doesn't mean "nobody".nintendoboy16

Thats no excuse. How about Nintendo have standard voice chat and people who don't want it can ignore it. It shouldn't be the other way around where its overly-difficult / impossible for people who do want it.

This is a console coming out in 2012 :lol: and they are trying to capture the CoD market with crap like this? No chance.

You realize my response to Fizzman had to do with another part of his point, right? :|

It's stuff like this that makes me wonder why Nintendo TRIES to please this community anymore.

Because they promise a lot and deliver little.

Honestly, I'd like a good reason as to why this "next gen" console is releasing without standard voice chat. That and the fact they're making idiotic decisions like not inlcuding a mic port on the pro controller.

Even allowing the built in mic in the gamepad would be a start (not ideal) but nope, Nintendo says no. Honestly, I don't see why anyone would try and defend this.

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#213 PopeReal
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[QUOTE="ShyGai"]

[QUOTE="percuvius2"]

wiiuniversity is made for oriental children, can't have them hearing bad words over the internet. How is no chat on a childrens console a surprise exactly?

percuvius2

Since the console is going to be a more online oriented. It's surprising/weird that mics aren't included from the get go.

Not really a surprise in a children's console.

If you keep repeating to yourself over and over again that it is a children's console maybe someday you will be comfortable about playing video games on your own console. You must have some sort of fear over what people think about you playing games. Consoles are consoles, they are all designed to play video games. Enjoy the games and don't be bothered by what anyone thinks. If you feel the need to point out again and again that a certain one is childish while your console of choice is for grown ups, you are missing the point.

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#214 El_Garbanzo
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[QUOTE="ShyGai"]

[QUOTE="percuvius2"]

wiiuniversity is made for oriental children, can't have them hearing bad words over the internet. How is no chat on a childrens console a surprise exactly?

percuvius2

Since the console is going to be a more online oriented. It's surprising/weird that mics aren't included from the get go.

Not really a surprise in a children's console.

Nintendo moving up the food chain. Wii 1 was a baby console with the rattle like waggle, now it's fisher-price tabled for children. 3rd time the charm?

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#215 nintendoboy16
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Because they promise a lot and deliver little.

Honestly, I'd like a good reason as to why this "next gen" console is releasing without standard voice chat. That and the fact they're making idiotic decisions like not inlcuding a mic port on the pro controller.

Even allowing the built in mic in the gamepad would be a start (not ideal) but nope, Nintendo says no. Honestly, I don't see why anyone would try and defend this.

RR360DD

Maybe because the "defenders" don't see this as that big of a deal and that there are worst things to moan about?

Even if they give you "a lot" of what they "promised", you'd spit in their face even then.

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#216 Timstuff
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Nintendo just plain sucks at making game consoles, so it only makes sense that their online is going to suck ass too. These aren't big, heavy-duty concepts, but Nintendo always finds a way to muck them up.
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#217 percuvius2
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[QUOTE="percuvius2"]

[QUOTE="ShyGai"] Since the console is going to be a more online oriented. It's surprising/weird that mics aren't included from the get go.

PopeReal

Not really a surprise in a children's console.

If you keep repeating to yourself over and over again that it is a children's console maybe someday you will be comfortable about playing video games on your own console. You must have some sort of fear over what people think about you playing games. Consoles are consoles, they are all designed to play video games. Enjoy the games and don't be bothered by what anyone thinks. If you feel the need to point out again and again that a certain one is childish while your console of choice is for grown ups, you are missing the point.

Huh? I'm a grown man there is no reason I'd have interest in an oriental childrens console. Think BEFORE posting.

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#218 fueled-system
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Do people have friends/family? Looking at the comments defending nintendo for the mic issue I think not...

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#219 nintendoboy16
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Do people have friends/family? Looking at the comments defending nintendo for the mic issue I think not...

fueled-system

Or they could be "defending" it because it's not that big of a deal and that there are worse things to call the system out for?

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#220 PopeReal
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Nintendo moving up the food chain. Wii 1 was a baby console with the rattle like waggle, now it's fisher-price tabled for children. 3rd time the charm?

El_Garbanzo

These sort of posts are just bizarre. Gamers, or at least people who claim to enjoy gaming, bashing consoles for their child like abilities to play video games, while they play games thamselves (or again, at least claim to) on consoles. What makes you so worried about what people think? Do you need to prop up your gaming as grown up for some particular reason? Does your gaming define you as a person? Do you fear that people are judging you as childish because you enjoy gaming as a hobby? Let people think what they want. I do what I enjoy and don't feel the need to justify anything that I do to anyone. If they perceive it as childish, thats ok. I would rather enjoy my life and have fun. I think that is the point of being an adult.

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#221 RR360DD
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[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Because they promise a lot and deliver little.

Honestly, I'd like a good reason as to why this "next gen" console is releasing without standard voice chat. That and the fact they're making idiotic decisions like not inlcuding a mic port on the pro controller.

Even allowing the built in mic in the gamepad would be a start (not ideal) but nope, Nintendo says no. Honestly, I don't see why anyone would try and defend this.

nintendoboy16

Maybe because the "defenders" don't see this as that big of a deal and that there are worst things to moan about?

Even if they give you "a lot" of what they "promised", you'd spit in their face even then.

Except there arent.

Nintendo came straight out saying they want to capture the core gamer with the Wii U. You know, those gamers who play online everyday. Online is huge, and voice chat is one of the main pillars of online gaming which Nintendo are screwing up. I honestly just don't understand it. A few years back Nintendo said the gamer doesn't want online, and look how wrong they were. I honestly think they still believe it though, which baffles me.

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#222 MFDOOM1983
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Do people have friends/family? Looking at the comments defending nintendo for the mic issue I think not...

fueled-system
Sheep like their online community like they like their main protagonists.

[QUOTE="fueled-system"]

Do people have friends/family? Looking at the comments defending nintendo for the mic issue I think not...

nintendoboy16

Or they could be "defending" it because it's not that big of a deal and that there are worse things to call the system out for?

Or they could be "defending" it because it's nintendo.
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#223 fueled-system
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[QUOTE="fueled-system"]

Do people have friends/family? Looking at the comments defending nintendo for the mic issue I think not...

nintendoboy16

Or they could be "defending" it because it's not that big of a deal and that there are worse things to call the system out for?

Believe it or not, people like to talk to others on a mic for online games... having a game with online capability without mic support is a joke. But keep defending Nintendo for everything they do

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#224 PopeReal
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Huh? I'm a grown man there is no reason I'd have interest in an oriental childrens console. Think BEFORE posting.

percuvius2

I guess that says a lot. You are a "grown man" who plays video games. And you certainly don't want to be judged as childish. You care about what other people think. Maybe some day you will see my point.

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#225 MFDOOM1983
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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

[QUOTE="fueled-system"]

Do people have friends/family? Looking at the comments defending nintendo for the mic issue I think not...

fueled-system

Or they could be "defending" it because it's not that big of a deal and that there are worse things to call the system out for?

Believe it or not, people like to talk to others on a mic for online games... having a game with online capability without mic support is a joke. But keep defending Nintendo for everything they do

What were you honestly expecting from nintendoboy?
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Nintendo Abomination Continuation :lol:

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#227 nintendoboy16
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Or they could be "defending" it because it's nintendo. MFDOOM1983

If that were the case, would the Nintendo fans be broken up like Zerg Broods without their Cerebrates?

I know several Nintendo fans (and I mean actual fans who support stuff, and not the "fans" who senselessly bash their stuff) who criticize them on some aspects (I criticized them for having a bad budget line-up compared to N64 and GameCube)

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#228 MFDOOM1983
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[QUOTE="percuvius2"]

Huh? I'm a grown man there is no reason I'd have interest in an oriental childrens console. Think BEFORE posting.

PopeReal

I guess that says a lot. You are a "grown man" who plays video games. And you certainly don't want to be judged as childish. You care about what other people think. Maybe some day you will see my point.

This isn't the 80's anymore. The general public no longer frowns on gamers.
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#229 MFDOOM1983
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[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

Or they could be "defending" it because it's nintendo. nintendoboy16

If that were the case, would the Nintendo fans be broken up like Zerg Broods without their Cerebrates?

I know several Nintendo fans (and I mean actual fans who support stuff, and not the "fans" who senselessly bash their stuff) who criticize them on some aspects (I criticized them for having a bad budget line-up compared to N64 and GameCube)

Sheep no longer complain about nintendo's miststeps. Instead they just DC and claim even if they didn't f-up people would still be up in arms.

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#230 locopatho
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[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] Minority or not. That doesn't mean "nobody".nintendoboy16

Thats no excuse. How about Nintendo have standard voice chat and people who don't want it can ignore it. It shouldn't be the other way around where its overly-difficult / impossible for people who do want it.

This is a console coming out in 2012 :lol: and they are trying to capture the CoD market with crap like this? No chance.

You realize my response to Fizzman had to do with another part of his point, right? :|

It's stuff like this (among many other things) that makes me wonder why Nintendo TRIES to please this community anymore, when all they get is backlash, even if the news is either good, or no big deal (I see the mic support as the latter).

Trying isn't good enough, and your opinions on what is or isn't important don't matter.

It's a fact that a 2005 console (the 360) came with voice chat, in all games, even across game and party chat, and a free headset with every console.

That's the standard of the 7th gen, free headset and voicechat in and across all games.

The fact that Nintendo's 8th gen console can't/won't match that IS A PROBLEM, whether you think so or not.

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#231 nintendoboy16
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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

[QUOTE="fueled-system"]

Do people have friends/family? Looking at the comments defending nintendo for the mic issue I think not...

fueled-system

Or they could be "defending" it because it's not that big of a deal and that there are worse things to call the system out for?

Believe it or not, people like to talk to others on a mic for online games... having a game with online capability without mic support is a joke. But keep defending Nintendo for everything they do

I DON'T defend them for everything they do. If I did, I would have defended their "Nintendo Selects" line-up. At this point, I'm about ready to be criticizing them for trying to appeal to this audience.
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#232 MFDOOM1983
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[QUOTE="fueled-system"]

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] Or they could be "defending" it because it's not that big of a deal and that there are worse things to call the system out for?

nintendoboy16

Believe it or not, people like to talk to others on a mic for online games... having a game with online capability without mic support is a joke. But keep defending Nintendo for everything they do

I DON'T defend them for everything they do. If I did, I would have defended their "Nintendo Selects" line-up. At this point, I'm about ready to be criticizing them for trying to appeal to this audience.

Lol bringing up some irrlevant bs from years ago that nobody is going to remember in order to prove you aren't some biased fanboy.
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#233 nintendoboy16
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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="fueled-system"]Believe it or not, people like to talk to others on a mic for online games... having a game with online capability without mic support is a joke. But keep defending Nintendo for everything they do

MFDOOM1983

I DON'T defend them for everything they do. If I did, I would have defended their "Nintendo Selects" line-up.

At this point, I'm about ready to be criticizing them for trying to appeal to this audience.

Lol bringing up some irrlevant bs from years ago that nobody is going to remember in order to prove you aren't some biased fanboy.

And being "irrelevant" is part of the problem as to why "Nintendo Selects" ended up being worse than "Player's Choice".

Besides, you are in no position to be calling someone on being biased, when you have done your fair share of it.

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#234 nintendoboy16
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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Thats no excuse. How about Nintendo have standard voice chat and people who don't want it can ignore it. It shouldn't be the other way around where its overly-difficult / impossible for people who do want it.

This is a console coming out in 2012 :lol: and they are trying to capture the CoD market with crap like this? No chance.

locopatho

You realize my response to Fizzman had to do with another part of his point, right? :|

It's stuff like this (among many other things) that makes me wonder why Nintendo TRIES to please this community anymore, when all they get is backlash, even if the news is either good, or no big deal (I see the mic support as the latter).

Trying isn't good enough, and your opinions on what is or isn't important don't matter.

It's a fact that a 2005 console (the 360) came with voice chat, in all games, even across game and party chat, and a free headset with every console.

That's the standard of the 7th gen, free headset and voicechat in and across all games.

The fact that Nintendo's 8th gen console can't/won't match that IS A PROBLEM, whether you think so or not.

Well, it's surely the best they can do after all that's against them, past and present.

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#235 p4s2p0
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That's the standard of the 7th gen, free headset and voicechat in and across all games.locopatho
360 has a free mic but not the rest. so I wouldn't call it a standard yet for home consoles. It did become standard on portables psp and ds towards the end.
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#236 Capitan_Kid
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[QUOTE="fueled-system"]

Do people have friends/family? Looking at the comments defending nintendo for the mic issue I think not...

nintendoboy16

Or they could be "defending" it because it's not that big of a deal and that there are worse things to call the system out for?

Except is a big deal. Voice chat is one of the main things of online play. Its nice being able to communicaye with 10 different friends at once. You might as well play against bots if there is none
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#237 nintendoboy16
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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

[QUOTE="fueled-system"]

Do people have friends/family? Looking at the comments defending nintendo for the mic issue I think not...

Capitan_Kid

Or they could be "defending" it because it's not that big of a deal and that there are worse things to call the system out for?

Except is a big deal. Voice chat is one of the main things of online play. Its nice being able to communicaye with 10 different friends at once. You might as well play against bots if there is none

Nevermind the fact that at least some games are going to carry it as well as some Wii U apps.
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#238 Riverwolf007
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pretty easy to see how this will turn out.

the wiiu will be psn as it is now and psn will still trail behind xbl.

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#239 CountBleck12
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I could care less, I rarely/never play online.

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#240 percuvius2
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[QUOTE="percuvius2"]

Huh? I'm a grown man there is no reason I'd have interest in an oriental childrens console. Think BEFORE posting.

PopeReal

I guess that says a lot. You are a "grown man" who plays video games. And you certainly don't want to be judged as childish. You care about what other people think. Maybe some day you will see my point.

I used my first computers in the late 70's, I grew up with it you idiot. Do people stop watching TV and listening to the radio or playing cards when they get older?

Can you be any dumber?

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#241 yoshi_64
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I'm hoping later on, they can allow Bluetooth connection, probably will happen later on, but still, if you have to use Wired ones connected to the controller, that's fine. I still do that with my 360 anyways. The other issue of "certain games" isn't a big deal. In other words, Nintendo's service does allow Voice Chat, but it will just have to be added in games, it likely will be in all MP games, but SP games probably won't. There isn't a cross game chat system as far as I know, so this really is no different than signing into an XBL match and talking to the people in the same game. XBL lets you cross game chat, which is nice, but I don't think it's something that can't be implemented later on. Wii U's OS does have 1 GB reserved out of the 2 GBs of RAM in the system, and PS3 can't get cross game chat because of the RAM issue, I assume Nintendo just didn't implement this feature in yet. It did take time for it to come on the 360, and Nintendo's online focus has shown they are doing things differently like with Miiverse and Nintendo TVii.
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#242 FIipMode
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>>>Relying on Nintendo for online. >>>Sanity.
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#243 Cheleman
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:lol:

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#244 PopeReal
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[QUOTE="PopeReal"]

[QUOTE="percuvius2"]

Huh? I'm a grown man there is no reason I'd have interest in an oriental childrens console. Think BEFORE posting.

percuvius2

I guess that says a lot. You are a "grown man" who plays video games. And you certainly don't want to be judged as childish. You care about what other people think. Maybe some day you will see my point.

I used my first computers in the late 70's, I grew up with it you idiot. Do people stop watching TV and listening to the radio or playing cards when they get older?

Can you be any dumber?

You seem to have missed the whole point. I was just wondering why you as a gamer, bash a console for being childish while playing consoles yourself. You seem to really care that people know you are a grown man and don't do childish things. But I suppose grown men just call other people names instead of having a discussion.

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#245 percuvius2
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[QUOTE="percuvius2"]

[QUOTE="PopeReal"]

I guess that says a lot. You are a "grown man" who plays video games. And you certainly don't want to be judged as childish. You care about what other people think. Maybe some day you will see my point.

PopeReal

I used my first computers in the late 70's, I grew up with it you idiot. Do people stop watching TV and listening to the radio or playing cards when they get older?

Can you be any dumber?

You seem to have missed the whole point. I was just wondering why you as a gamer, bash a console for being childish while playing consoles yourself. You seem to really care that people know you are a grown man and don't do childish things. But I suppose grown men just call other people names instead of having a discussion.

One is a console aimed at children what's so complicated about that? I didn't miss anything as you had no point.

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#246 LostProphetFLCL
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Oh how I remember playing my PS2 online without a mic.

Way to be behind by 2 generations Nintendo!!! Oh wait, the original X-Box had voice chat.

Way to be behind by 3 generations Nintendo!

For a company that so easily dominates the handheld market and makes such good handheld systems, their home consoles have been shockingly awful and WAY behind the curve....

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#247 Timstuff
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[QUOTE="fueled-system"]

Do people have friends/family? Looking at the comments defending nintendo for the mic issue I think not...

MFDOOM1983

Sheep like their online community like they like their main protagonists.

That was a good one. :lol:

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#248 PopeReal
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One is a console aimed at children what's so complicated about that? I didn't miss anything as you had no point.

percuvius2

All consoles are aimed at children and adults alike. They certainly want everyone interested in playing, it is a business. But at the end of the day, play what you want and enjoy it. I was just wondering why some people feel the need to justify their own gaming as grown up. Games are games.

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#249 Timstuff
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Oh how I remember playing my PS2 online without a mic.

Way to be behind by 2 generations Nintendo!!! Oh wait, the original X-Box had voice chat.

Way to be behind by 3 generations Nintendo!

For a company that so easily dominates the handheld market and makes such good handheld systems, their home consoles have been shockingly awful and WAY behind the curve....

LostProphetFLCL

PS2 had voice chat, too. Not as many players had headsets as on Xbox, but they were quite useable.

zyUmE.jpg

We may as well stop trying to quantify how many generations behind Nintendo is, and simply accept that they are cheap bastards and would rather save a buck than meet industry standards.

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#250 PatchMaster
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This isn't the end of the world, but it WILL hurt third-party support in the long run.