Proof the WiiU online will be a joke

[QUOTE="Bardock47"]

This is bad, and Im a U supporter. I dont mind that devs decide whether or not to have it, I dont care its third party wired. I im confused, why does there pro controller not support it? Thats just bad desgin, is there like no where to plug it in at?

OreoMilkshake

I'm hoping later on, they can allow Bluetooth connection, probably will happen later on, but still, if you have to use Wired ones connected to the controller, that's fine. I still do that with my 360 anyways. The other issue of "certain games" isn't a big deal. In other words, Nintendo's service does allow Voice Chat, but it will just have to be added in games, it likely will be in all MP games, but SP games probably won't. There isn't a cross game chat system as far as I know, so this really is no different than signing into an XBL match and talking to the people in the same game. XBL lets you cross game chat, which is nice, but I don't think it's something that can't be implemented later on. Wii U's OS does have 1 GB reserved out of the 2 GBs of RAM in the system, and PS3 can't get cross game chat because of the RAM issue, I assume Nintendo just didn't implement this feature in yet. It did take time for it to come on the 360, and Nintendo's online focus has shown they are doing things differently like with Miiverse and Nintendo TVii. yoshi_64

[QUOTE="HalcyonScarlet"]

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]Too bad the other way proves to be nothing more than bites in Nintendo's ass. Like when they announced that they were resurrecting Bayonetta 2.

nintendoboy16

Well, they're so new to the idea, they're going to mess up a bit along the way.

When one of those franchises come: Screw these games. Make new IP's.

...

Yeah, new to the idea my foot. Nintendo has too many tropes against them to do some of this stuff.

Well why not do both, isn't that what others do?

funny how cows are jumping on this when the ps3 still doesn't have cross game chat voice chat.

Anyways this might suck but there's always room for them to add it in with firmware updates

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

[QUOTE="HalcyonScarlet"]

Well, they're so new to the idea, they're going to mess up a bit along the way.

HalcyonScarlet

When one of those franchises come: Screw these games. Make new IP's.

...

Yeah, new to the idea my foot. Nintendo has too many tropes against them to do some of this stuff.

Well why not do both, isn't that what others do?

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

[QUOTE="HalcyonScarlet"]

Well, they're so new to the idea, they're going to mess up a bit along the way.

HalcyonScarlet

When one of those franchises come: Screw these games. Make new IP's.

...

Yeah, new to the idea my foot. Nintendo has too many tropes against them to do some of this stuff.

Well why not do both, isn't that what others do?

If they release a Zelda game and a new IP which do you think would sell more?

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="fueled-system"]

Do people have friends/family? Looking at the comments defending nintendo for the mic issue I think not...

Timstuff

That was a good one. :lol:

Yea that gave me a good laugh too.

Makes total sense. Nintendo is preserving and protecting their kindergarten image as much as possible.

[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="Heil68"]I wasn't expecting anything on the level of PSN/XBL, but anything has to better than what the Wii has. MFDOOM1983

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

Oh how I remember playing my PS2 online without a mic.

Way to be behind by 2 generations Nintendo!!! Oh wait, the original X-Box had voice chat.

Way to be behind by 3 generations Nintendo!

For a company that so easily dominates the handheld market and makes such good handheld systems, their home consoles have been shockingly awful and WAY behind the curve....

Timstuff

We may as well stop trying to quantify how many generations behind Nintendo is, and simply accept that they are cheap bastards and would rather save a buck than meet industry standards.

Oh wow, wish I would have known those existed back when I was playing RE Outbreak online...

Proof that console-online is a joke;

Nintendo Network
Xbox Live
PlayStation Network
Wii Connect 24

You mean your arguement isn't that online for consoles has been a joke for years and that it wouldn't stop for the WiiU? Damn, that would have been a better arugment.

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

Anything related to Nintendo is a joke so no big deal

Pikminmaniac

If that isn't sarcasm then you're a joke

I don't like voice chat and I don't use it on anything anyway.

if the games gonna be fun u will forget about voice chat

AmnesiaHaze

No voice acting in games, no voice chat in games.:lol:

No voice acting in games

Mr_BillGates

[QUOTE="Mr_BillGates"]

No voice acting in games

OreoMilkshake

[QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"]

[QUOTE="Mr_BillGates"]

No voice acting in games

nintendoboy16

Half of those games weren´t even made by nintendo(especially the story heavy ones with lots of dialog like Xenoblade or Eternal darkness),only published,the others only have basic generic dialog like the Star Fox games(and there´s three of them in your list).

When nintendo of japan actually fully develops a fully story driven game with dialog then that will be another thing,as it is,it´s mute Zelda for everyone!

Well,to be fair,Navi says stuff like "Hey!",so I guess I´ll throw ya a bone there. >.>

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"]Do you even know what voice acting is? :|

Nanomage

Half of those games weren´t even made by nintendo(especially the story heavy ones with lots of dialog like Xenoblade or Eternal darkness),only published,the others only have basic generic dialog like the Star Fox games(and there´s three of them in your list).

When nintendo of japan actually fully develops a fully story driven game with dialog then that will be another thing,as it is,it´s mute Zelda for everyone!

Well,to be fair,Navi says stuff like "Hey!",so I guess I´ll throw ya a bone there. >.>

[QUOTE="Nanomage"]

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] Not to mention, if Nintendo didn't have voice acting, explain these: -Star Fox 64 -Star Fox Adventures -Star Fox Assault -Xenoblade Chronicles -F-Zero GX -Eternal Darkness -Both Sin and Punishment games -The Last Storynintendoboy16

Half of those games weren´t even made by nintendo(especially the story heavy ones with lots of dialog like Xenoblade or Eternal darkness),only published,the others only have basic generic dialog like the Star Fox games(and there´s three of them in your list).

When nintendo of japan actually fully develops a fully story driven game with dialog then that will be another thing,as it is,it´s mute Zelda for everyone!

Well,to be fair,Navi says stuff like "Hey!",so I guess I´ll throw ya a bone there. >.>

Oh of course,it´s not the case of them not allowing,that would be dumb,though to be fair it would´ve made a big favor to Metroid Other M lol,it´s them actually doing a proper, fully voice acted game themselves,and they never did.

Before,there were technical reasons,but since many years ago that became a non issue,so it´s a mentality problem they have with that,and just makes their stuff look like they´ve stopped in time(and cheap),wich tbh,it´s starting to rub a lot of gamers and gaming media in general the wrong way for a while now.

One can say that it´s a conscious, artistic decision,but like many other decisions made by the company,it´s all about spanding the least money possbile on the product as they can and sell at premium price,in a way it´s almost like apple,but at least apple keeps up with the times.

That's called inventive in Nintendo and fanboy eyes. returning to the old ages. Not believing humans are social.k2theswiss

[QUOTE="HalcyonScarlet"]

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] When new IP's come: Make us a new Mario, Zelda, Metroid, or Pokemon, Nintendo.

When one of those franchises come: Screw these games. Make new IP's.

...

Yeah, new to the idea my foot. Nintendo has too many tropes against them to do some of this stuff.

nintendoboy16

Well why not do both, isn't that what others do?

Only if they release them at the same time, and it's up to them to market new ips. If they just let them out into the wilderness like Sony to fend for themselves, nothing will happen.

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="HalcyonScarlet"]

Well why not do both, isn't that what others do?

HalcyonScarlet

Only if they release them at the same time, and it's up to them to market new ips. If they just let them out into the wilderness like Sony to fend for themselves, nothing will happen.

This SHOULD bother me, but you know what...it doesn't

when the 360 first came out, XBL was incredible and my time online while using mics was great and met alot of cool people...but now it's either no one uses a mic or if they do they are just screaming into because you did something that THEY thought was wrong....even if it's by total accident you get chewed the **** out by some bro-ass gamer who takes multiplayer way too seriously

so yea...guess what, the internet has made mics completely usless because...well, it's the internet

GOOD JOB INTERNET!

could care less

No, no no this needs to stop.

Im tired of JEALOUS sheep using the same old excuses and arguments against XBL/PSN, its an overrated stereotype and its not even true.

Nintendo has once again failed with voice chat and you guys are making excuses for it. Its 2012 why is Nintendo still using WIRED MICS just use BLUETOOTH. Another thing, stop saying "Oh everytime I go on Xbox or PSN all I hear is 12 year olds screaming down the mic or noone with a mic" < Its quite clear that anyone using this excuse has no friends to game with. Play something like COD with a party of atleast 5 or more and its never like that.

Typical Sheep - we all know which group is the least social and its deifinitely Nintendo fanboys. WiiFit was designed for lazy families and in general cowards who can't be bothered to go exercise outside or join a gym. If I wanna play games with the family then I'll freaking play something like Scrabble.

The less voice chat the better. Voice chat is the single worst thing about online gaming.

burgeg

Major damage control from sheep. Nintendo is years behind competitors yet again, what else is new? I knew WiiU would be terrible from the start.

[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

Anything related to Nintendo is a joke so no big deal

Microsoft1234

If that isn't sarcasm then you're a joke

Nintendo used to actually be a decent company, but since the Wii they've been a joke in everything but sales, and it looks like they're continuing the trend. Outdated graphics, bad online, wired mics, terrible library, gimmicky motion controller garbage, friend codes, etc. I don't know how people even take Nintendo seriously anymore.

Major damage control from sheep. Nintendo is years behind competitors yet again, what else is new? I knew WiiU would be terrible from the start.

StealthMonkey4

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

Major damage control from sheep. Nintendo is years behind competitors yet again, what else is new? I knew WiiU would be terrible from the start.

Shinobishyguy

It won't do nearly as good as the Wii. The Wii was just the next cool thing and everyone jumped on the bandwagon, the hype has now died down. 360s and PS3s continue to be used while Wiis just sit in closets gathering dust. No one that I know has played their Wii for months and the general public no longer cares about Wii or WiiU.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

Major damage control from sheep. Nintendo is years behind competitors yet again, what else is new? I knew WiiU would be terrible from the start.

StealthMonkey4

It won't do nearly as good as the Wii. The Wii was just the next cool thing and everyone jumped on the bandwagon, the hype has now died down. 360s and PS3s continue to be used while Wiis just sit in closets gathering dust. No one that I know has played their Wii for months and the general public no longer cares about Wii or WiiU.

Or should I bring up how preorders for thw wii U have been booked for a month. Yeah the general public doesn't care all right :roll:

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] so in other words it's going to sell millionsShinobishyguy

It won't do nearly as good as the Wii. The Wii was just the next cool thing and everyone jumped on the bandwagon, the hype has now died down. 360s and PS3s continue to be used while Wiis just sit in closets gathering dust. No one that I know has played their Wii for months and the general public no longer cares about Wii or WiiU.

Or should I bring up how preorders for thw wii U have been booked for a month. Yeah the general public doesn't care all right :roll:

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]You know, this entire mess on mic support in Wii U is NEARLY as bad as Bayonetta 2.

Keyword: NEARLY!MFDOOM1983

Oops! :P

Stupid nitpicking is all this is

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]You know, this entire mess on mic support in Wii U is NEARLY as bad as Bayonetta 2.

Keyword: NEARLY!nintendoboy16

Oops! :P

[QUOTE="locopatho"]

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] You realize my response to Fizzman had to do with another part of his point, right? :|

It's stuff like this (among many other things) that makes me wonder why Nintendo TRIES to please this community anymore, when all they get is backlash, even if the news is either good, or no big deal (I see the mic support as the latter).

nintendoboy16

Trying isn't good enough, and your opinions on what is or isn't important don't matter.

It's a fact that a 2005 console (the 360) came with voice chat, in all games, even across game and party chat, and a free headset with every console.

That's the standard of the 7th gen, free headset and voicechat in and across all games.

The fact that Nintendo's 8th gen console can't/won't match that IS A PROBLEM, whether you think so or not.

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"]

Trying isn't good enough, and your opinions on what is or isn't important don't matter.

It's a fact that a 2005 console (the 360) came with voice chat, in all games, even across game and party chat, and a free headset with every console.

That's the standard of the 7th gen, free headset and voicechat in and across all games.

The fact that Nintendo's 8th gen console can't/won't match that IS A PROBLEM, whether you think so or not.

locopatho

What the hell kind of logic is that?

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]Well, it's surely the best they can do after all that's against them, past and present.

Shinobishyguy

What the hell kind of logic is that?

Not coming with standard voice chat doesn't make it weaker, but is just one reason it will continue to be below "last gen" standards. Asking for a mic to be bundled with every console isn't asking too much, but even still if they were to make a mic available to be bought separately and have standard voice chat, that would be sufficient.

However in reality they clearly don't give a shlt. They say to third parties go release some mics because we can't be assed. We also can't be assed allowing the built in mic / speaker in the gamepad to be used for voice chat. Oh and developers, you have to look after voice chat in your games. And people who want to use the pro controller, just deal with having to plug your mic into the gamepad because we can't be bothered putting a mic port in the pro controller.

Seriously idiotic decisions.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"] What? No. The best they could do is bundle a mic and have voice chat as standard. Ya know, like what the LAST GEN 360 can do? Seriously, I would love to know how Ninty got fans who are so happy and hyped to be spending another few hundred on hardware that can't even match, never mind beat, last gen consoles :? They make great games for sure but I simply cannot understand this willingness to take every crappy move they do as awesome. RR360DD

What the hell kind of logic is that?

Not coming with standard voice chat doesn't make it weaker, but is just one reason it will continue to be below "last gen" standards. Asking for a mic to be bundled with every console isn't asking too much, but even still if they were to make a mic available to be bought separately and have standard voice chat, that would be sufficient.

However in reality they clearly don't give a shlt. They say to third parties go release some mics because we can't be assed. We also can't be assed allowing the built in mic / speaker in the gamepad to be used for voice chat.Oh and developers, you have to look after voice chat in your games. And people who want to use the pro controller, just deal with having to plug your mic into the gamepad because we can't be bothered putting a mic port in the pro controller.

Seriously idiotic decisions.

Once again, this is blown out of purportion.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]So because it doesn't come with a mic it's suddenly weaker than the 360/ps3?

What the hell kind of logic is that?

nintendoboy16

Not coming with standard voice chat doesn't make it weaker, but is just one reason it will continue to be below "last gen" standards. Asking for a mic to be bundled with every console isn't asking too much, but even still if they were to make a mic available to be bought separately and have standard voice chat, that would be sufficient.

However in reality they clearly don't give a shlt. They say to third parties go release some mics because we can't be assed. We also can't be assed allowing the built in mic / speaker in the gamepad to be used for voice chat.Oh and developers, you have to look after voice chat in your games. And people who want to use the pro controller, just deal with having to plug your mic into the gamepad because we can't be bothered putting a mic port in the pro controller.

Seriously idiotic decisions.

Once again, this is blown out of purportion.

Well if thats the case then forget about the built-in mic, but all my other points still stand.

As for PSN, I complained. And one of the main reasons why I choose XBL over PSN is voice chat, so for some people it is definitely a big deal. XBL has the social aspect of online gaming nailed. People like to bash it and its subscription, but thats why people pay for XBL. And its worth it.

PSN lags behind, however with the vita Sony have corrected some of their mistakes. I just never expected Nintendo, who seem to be going for the 360/PS3 onine gamer audience, would release such a half-assed attempt at it. Its just lazy.

So because it doesn't come with a mic it's suddenly weaker than the 360/ps3?

What the hell kind of logic is that?

Shinobishyguy

No, not weaeker, but it's clearly lacking in several areas, compared to last gen machines.

Also never the mind the fact that SONY did a similar thing with PS2 and PS3, letting developers handle mic support in their own games and hardly anyone complained then.

Once again, this is blown out of purportion.

nintendoboy16

Because those are LAST GEN machines, and everyone beyond hardcore cows knows 360 online/voice chat is the best on consoles.

Simple fact is if two friends wanna play online co-op on WiiU, they first have to check if the game supports voice chat. Then they both need to buy microphones. Then they need to have the Gamepad on and used for mics, even if they use the Pro Controller.

On 360, a last gen machine, just play the game and talk (since everyone who buys 360 has a pad and mic). The end.

Is it so fcvking hard to expect a next gen machine to do what last gen ones do? Or are Ninty fans just happy to get pooped on?

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

Also never the mind the fact that SONY did a similar thing with PS2 and PS3, letting developers handle mic support in their own games and hardly anyone complained then.

Once again, this is blown out of purportion.

locopatho

Because those are LAST GEN machines, and everyone beyond hardcore cows knows 360 online/voice chat is the best on consoles.

Simple fact is if two friends wanna play online co-op on WiiU, they first have to check if the game supports voice chat. Then they both need to buy microphones. Then they need to have the Gamepad on and used for mics, even if they use the Pro Controller.

On 360, a last gen machine, just play the game and talk (since everyone who buys 360 has a pad and mic). The end.

Is it so fcvking hard to expect a next gen machine to do what last gen ones do? Or are Ninty fans just happy to get pooped on?

This is something you need to realize. Nintendo always works in the strangest fashion, and really, it pays off for them, even if some gamers don't like it (like I said, I didn't like their treatment for their budget line-up). But they don't need to jump on any bandwagons either, otherwise, they may as well NOT be Nintendo.

Still, developers handling their own mic support is better than nothing.