PS2 to Xbox360 GPU jump vs Xbox360 to PS4 GPU jump....

How big was the upgrade in graphics from PS2 to Xbox360? Does the upgrade from X360 to PS4 even compare?

Nope. clyde46

Seems like the Xbone to the PS4 is pretty similar to the PS2 to the 360. Gonna be rough for lems. 

Why compare the jump from PS2 to 360? Why not xbox 1(lawl) to xbox 360? What if you compare the jump from DC to 360? 

Same for this gen. What if you compare the jump from Wii to PS4? lol 

Guys, this thread has nothing to do with the XBone.

How do we know how big the graphics jump will be before the generation even started.

We need to actually see the devs get used to the hardware first.

Why compare the jump from PS2 to 360? Why not xbox 1(lawl) to xbox 360? What if you compare the jump from DC to 360? 

Same for this gen. What if you compare the jump from Wii to PS4? lol 

Razor_defiace

[QUOTE="clyde46"]Nope. True_Gamer_

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="clyde46"]Nope. clyde46

[QUOTE="Razor_defiace"]

Why compare the jump from PS2 to 360? Why not xbox 1(lawl) to xbox 360? What if you compare the jump from DC to 360? 

Same for this gen. What if you compare the jump from Wii to PS4? lol 

True_Gamer_

But wasn't the PS2 the weakest console of gen 6, thus making your comparison a bit strange?

The jump is good its just you wont see it yet. 1080p and AA is a big jump imo because of us using 50" HDTV's. sub HD and no AA was a mess.

A few years we will see much better looking games and engines for the new hardware.

The 360 was running a $400-500 destop equivalent GPU that had unified shaders (which wasn't even out on the desktop market yet).

The ps4 is running a GPU similiar performance wise to a GTX 650ti boost SC which is valued around $155 in todays price...... (I think you get the picture).

To be honest I paid less than $200 for my 7870xt and my current overclock (without messing with the volts) puts it around 2x the performance as the ps4's GPU (this is something I paid less than $200 for).

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Why compare the jump from PS2 to 360? Why not xbox 1(lawl) to xbox 360? What if you compare the jump from DC to 360? 

Same for this gen. What if you compare the jump from Wii to PS4? lol 

True_Gamer_

Since when does hardware power sell consoles? ;)

N64, first Xbox and PS3 were the strongest in their gens and none managed to get 1st place.

But if you want a picture:

PS2 to X360 - similar to Voodoo 5 (DX7) to Radeon X1800 (DX9) jump

X360 to PS4 - similar to Radeon X1800 (DX9) to Radeon HD 7850 (DX11) jump

It's not so small jump but it's also true X360 was released far sooner than the PS4. (& X1)

[QUOTE="clyde46"]Nope. True_Gamer_

Seems like the Xbone to the PS4 is pretty similar to the PS2 to the 360. Gonna be rough for lems. 

Eddie-Vedder

It's a smaller jump than the last time. Xbox 360 was competitive with high-end PC graphics cards when it launched. PS4 and especially Xbox One will be nowhere near high-end PC graphics cards when they launch.

It's a smaller jump than the last time. Xbox 360 was competitive with high-end PC graphics cards when it launched. PS4 and especially Xbox One will be nowhere near high-end PC graphics cards when they launch.

Wickerman777

But putting things into perspective - X360 was only competitive for the first year or two while PS3 was "dated on release".

Namely the GeForce 8800 combined with Intel Q6600 and 2 GB RAM put both consoles in the "trash bin" when it came to graphics. (see Crysis 1)

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

Seems like the Xbone to the PS4 is pretty similar to the PS2 to the 360. Gonna be rough for lems. 

navyguy21

I don't know if the graphics gap is that big but it is big. Bigger than what separates 360 and PS3.

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

It's a smaller jump than the last time. Xbox 360 was competitive with high-end PC graphics cards when it launched. PS4 and especially Xbox One will be nowhere near high-end PC graphics cards when they launch.

nameless12345

But putting things into perspective - X360 was only competitive for the first year or two while PS3 was "dated on release".

Namely the GeForce 8800 combined with Intel Q6600 and 2 GB RAM put both consoles in the "trash bin" when it came to graphics. (see Crysis 1)

Of course the PC market surpassed it after a year or two because the PC market evolves constantly. Still the fact remains that when the 360 launched it had a damned good GPU in it for its time.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

Seems like the Xbone to the PS4 is pretty similar to the PS2 to the 360. Gonna be rough for lems. 

Wickerman777

I don't know if the GPU gap is that big but it is big. Bigger than what separates 360 and PS3.

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"] Seems like you have no idea what you are talking about......navyguy21

I don't know if the GPU gap is that big but it is big. Bigger than what separates 360 and PS3.

Umm, unless you've been invited to some personal tour aren't we all going by internet information? Everyone knows that Xbox One has 12 compute units and PS4 has 18. That's a big difference.

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[QUOTE="navyguy21"] Seems like you have no idea what you are talking about......navyguy21

I don't know if the GPU gap is that big but it is big. Bigger than what separates 360 and PS3.

And btw, I'm not a cow at all. I haven't owned a Sony console since the original Playstation. I would prefer Xbox One to be more powerful, or heck, even as powerful as PS4 but it just isn't.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

I don't know if the GPU gap is that big but it is big. Bigger than what separates 360 and PS3.

Wickerman777

Umm, unless you've been invited to some personal tour aren't we all going by internet information? Everyone knows that Xbox One has 12 compute units and PS4 has 18. That's a big difference.

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]LOL, says cows? Do you actually understand what the tech in each is capable of or are you just going on internet information?navyguy21

Umm, unless you've been invited to some personal tour aren't we all going by internet information? Everyone knows that Xbox One has 12 compute units and PS4 has 18. That's a big difference.

Lol, what's there to understand? It's 1.8 tflops vs 1.2 (Now 1.3). In other words it's roughly 7X the power of 360 vs 5X the power of 360. Everyone understands it just fine. You're going on about cows and bias but you're the only one showing it ... hell ... you're drowning in it. Does this mean PS4 will be more fun than Xbox One? Not necessarily. Heck, if ya ask me one big knock on PS4 is that god-awful controller. But to anyone without blinders on it's obvious that PS4 has a lot more graphics processing under its hood than Xbox One does.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

Umm, unless you've been invited to some personal tour aren't we all going by internet information? Everyone knows that Xbox One has 12 compute units and PS4 has 18. That's a big difference.

Wickerman777

Lol, what's there to understand? It's 1.8 tflops vs 1.2 (Now 1.3). In other words it's roughly 7X the power of 360 vs 5X the power of 360. Everyone understands it just fine. You're going on about cows and bias but you're the only one showing it ... hell ... you're drowning in it. Does this mean PS4 will be more fun than Xbox One? Not necessarily. Heck, if ya ask me one big knock on PS4 is that god-awful controller. But to anyone without blinders on it's obvious that PS4 has a lot more graphics processing under its hood than Xbox One does.

I honestly think anyone who thinks that is gonna be in for a surprise. The next gen systems have pretty underwhelming hardware though. 

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

It's a smaller jump than the last time. Xbox 360 was competitive with high-end PC graphics cards when it launched. PS4 and especially Xbox One will be nowhere near high-end PC graphics cards when they launch.

Wickerman777

But putting things into perspective - X360 was only competitive for the first year or two while PS3 was "dated on release".

Namely the GeForce 8800 combined with Intel Q6600 and 2 GB RAM put both consoles in the "trash bin" when it came to graphics. (see Crysis 1)

Of course the PC market surpassed it after a year or two because the PC market evolves constantly. Still the fact remains that when the 360 launched it had a damned good GPU in it for its time.

X1 could have had a better GPU if they didn't invest into the next-gen Kinect so heavily.

It seems many console companies now think that just hardware alone is not enough to push consoles to wider audience. (see Wii U's "tablet" controller & Kinect)

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]Not entirely true. 2 people can get the same information and get drastically different conclusions based on their education on the given information. For you to assume that 18>12 is a big difference would be pure speculation if you dont understand what compute units are or what they are capable of. For example, cows say that the power is a huge difference, yet when XBone's GPU was increased 53mhz, it was brushed off as minor. Do you know how each systems OS will be handled? If those extra compute units will be always dedicated to something else? You have no idea, so to speculate would be basically saying you are blinded by the internet info or either are a fanboy of either side already.navyguy21

Lol, what's there to understand? It's 1.8 tflops vs 1.2 (Now 1.3). In other words it's roughly 7X the power of 360 vs 5X the power of 360. Everyone understands it just fine. You're going on about cows and bias but you're the only one showing it ... hell ... you're drowning in it. Does this mean PS4 will be more fun than Xbox One? Not necessarily. Heck, if ya ask me one big knock on PS4 is that god-awful controller. But to anyone without blinders on it's obvious that PS4 has a lot more graphics processing under its hood than Xbox One does.

Well, if ya know about PC tech than you know that 18 AMD 7000 series compute units > 12 of them, lol.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

Lol, what's there to understand? It's 1.8 tflops vs 1.2 (Now 1.3). In other words it's roughly 7X the power of 360 vs 5X the power of 360. Everyone understands it just fine. You're going on about cows and bias but you're the only one showing it ... hell ... you're drowning in it. Does this mean PS4 will be more fun than Xbox One? Not necessarily. Heck, if ya ask me one big knock on PS4 is that god-awful controller. But to anyone without blinders on it's obvious that PS4 has a lot more graphics processing under its hood than Xbox One does.

Wickerman777

Well, if ya know about PC tech than you know that 18 AMD compute units > 12 of them, lol.

Jumps in graphics get smaller with every generation because of the law of diminishing returns.genfactor

They are getting bigger but the difference is getting harder to spot.

The jumps in previous console gens seemed massive because of the big polygon-count, AA and resolution increases but now it's harder to see the difference between a 40k poly model with high-res normal maps & last gen, 20k poly model with lower-res normal maps.

The "graphics race" isn't so significant anymore as it once was, altho devs invest heavily into graphics, still.

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"] lol, how am i drowning in it? By asking questions and not blindly believing what i read? Or is it that i use my knowledge of computers and technology to help form my opinion?navyguy21

Well, if ya know about PC tech than you know that 18 AMD compute units > 12 of them, lol.

There are articles EVERYWHERE that get into fine detail about why PS4 is more powerful. I'm not about to spend a freaking hour typing out all that stuff to you. If you're gonna be outside of the cave you've apparently been spending so much of your time in for a few more minutes check some of them out.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

Well, if ya know about PC tech than you know that 18 AMD compute units > 12 of them, lol.

Wickerman777

There are articles EVERYWHERE that get into fine detail about why PS4 is more powerful. I'm not about to spend a freaking hour typing out all that stuff to you. If you're gonna be outside of the cave you've apparently been spending so much of your time in for a few more minutes check some of them out.

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]But that isnt what our "debate" is about. A first grader would know 18>12. What it MEANS in real world processing is a different animal. As i said before, you keep talking as if a larger number = a large advantage, which isnt true at all, especially when there are so many other variables and moving parts. You ignore those, which is my point.navyguy21

There are articles EVERYWHERE that get into fine detail about why PS4 is more powerful. I'm not about to spend a freaking hour typing out all that stuff to you. If you're gonna be outside of the cave you've apparently been spending so much of your time in for a few more minutes check some of them out.

It's a 500-600 gflops difference, more than 2 360s' worth of power. In your world perhaps that's nothing, in mine it's a pretty big difference.

How big was the upgrade in graphics from PS2 to Xbox360? Does the upgrade from X360 to PS4 even compare?

True_Gamer_

The Xbox 360 tops out at 0.25 TFLOPS

The Playstation 4 tops out at 1.84 TFLOPS

I'd call that a rather HUGE upgrade.

Best of previous gen > new genMonsieurX

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

How big was the upgrade in graphics from PS2 to Xbox360? Does the upgrade from X360 to PS4 even compare?

Netherscourge

The Xbox 360 tops out at 0.25 TFLOPS

The Playstation 4 tops out at 1.84 TFLOPS

I'd call that a rather HUGE upgrade.

It's around a 7X jump. Xbox One is around 5X as powerful as 360. Considering that 360 came out in 2005 I expected a 10X jump. But oh well, guess we're not getting that.

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

How big was the upgrade in graphics from PS2 to Xbox360? Does the upgrade from X360 to PS4 even compare?

Netherscourge

The Xbox 360 tops out at 0.25 TFLOPS

The Playstation 4 tops out at 1.84 TFLOPS

I'd call that a rather HUGE upgrade.