Seriously people...you need to stop with all the bashing. Whats going on...its only recently since we have been coming closer to the European release of the PS3 that the bashing has gotten out of hand. You hear Americans complaining about the European price like it affects them, and then you here people complaining about the lack of emotion chip in the PS3 when they are lemmings. European pre-orders for PS3 are record breaking, so basically they seem content with what they are purchasing. If you are unhappy with your purchase, fair enough, tell us about your experience with ur PS3 and why you dont like it instead of brining up issues that do not concern you in the least bit.
Here is an example of my favorite arguement scenario:
Hater: PS3 sucks! No emotion chip for the EU release, $999AUD in Australia, about 700US dollars in Europe!!! WTF!? Supporter: Yeah, but people are still buying it, you are just bashing it cuz you dont like Sony. Hater: What!? Well, I'm a manticore! I aint no fanboy, infact I have an X360 and PS3 and a Wii!!! Supporter: Well, If you have a PS3...then why do you care about the changes to the hardware and international prices? Hater: What eva!! Sony has lost touch with its fans....
The lack of logic is astounding. If every X360 in the world blew up except for mine, I would have no reason to complain and bash the X360 for having shoddy harware, but unfortunetaly, mine has broken twice. I must say though that MS has excellent customer service although I would rather my X360 just didnt break....
Well, While I think Sony does kinda bring some of this on themselves with the way they are so bluntly honest, I think that a lot of fanboys just blow the facts way out of proportion. Fanboyism is a double edged sword. I love my PS3, and Sony, but I don't think they are incapable of making mistakes. That would just be ignorant.
It's not the price of the ps3, it's the lackluster games. Formula one, the only decent game left in february for the PS3, just got a 7.2. While ps3 fans are still waiting for a AAA game, everyone else is enjoying at least one.
It's not the price of the ps3, it's the lackluster games. Formula one, the only decent game left in february for the PS3, just got a 7.2. While ps3 fans are still waiting for a AAA game, everyone else is enjoying at least one.Codename33
why do you care what score a game gets here on GS or any other place for that mater? If you like F1 games then go get it.
[QUOTE="Codename33"]It's not the price of the ps3, it's the lackluster games. Formula one, the only decent game left in february for the PS3, just got a 7.2. While ps3 fans are still waiting for a AAA game, everyone else is enjoying at least one.trasherhead
why do you care what score a game gets here on GS or any other place for that mater? If you like F1 games then go get it. I was going to say something similar. Does it really matter what score a game gets? It's sorta like the friends/bridge analogy. Just because some random guy that you've never met in person doesn't like a game, you're not going to? Seems rather silly to me.
sony is still the king ps2 outsells everything and psp is picking up sales my friend bought one just to look at porn and play GTA lol !!! he bought a bunch of games too...
Seriously people...you need to stop with all the bashing. Whats going on...its only recently since we have been coming closer to the European release of the PS3 that the bashing has gotten out of hand. You hear Americans complaining about the European price like it affects them, and then you here people complaining about the lack of emotion chip in the PS3 when they are lemmings. European pre-orders for PS3 are record breaking, so basically they seem content with what they are purchasing. If you are unhappy with your purchase, fair enough, tell us about your experience with ur PS3 and why you dont like it instead of brining up issues that do not concern you in the least bit.
Here is an example of my favorite arguement scenario:
Hater: PS3 sucks! No emotion chip for the EU release, $999AUD in Australia, about 700US dollars in Europe!!! WTF!? Supporter: Yeah, but people are still buying it, you are just bashing it cuz you dont like Sony. Hater: What!? Well, I'm a manticore! I aint no fanboy, infact I have an X360 and PS3 and a Wii!!! Supporter: Well, If you have a PS3...then why do you care about the changes to the hardware and international prices? Hater: What eva!! Sony has lost touch with its fans....
The lack of logic is astounding. If every X360 in the world blew up except for mine, I would have no reason to complain and bash the X360 for having shoddy harware, but unfortunetaly, mine has broken twice. I must say though that MS has excellent customer service although I would rather my X360 just didnt break.... Viviath
What did you expect in a forum called System WARS? Peace and harmony? Or are only Sony fanboys allowed bashing?Final-Darkness
No, I always complain about Sony fanboys bashing Wii and X360 for no apparent reason. What I'm trying to say is that, Bashing is ok, as long as its relevant and has proof. Dont just bash cuz everyone else is doing it. The only thing I ever complain about on the X360 is the DPAD, disk scratching and the faulty hardware because those are the things that have affected me. I never complain about the Wii because i dont have one yet. And for the PS3 I always say that there arent that many games out to play and PSN could use some improvements. I only complain about the things that affect me unlike fanboys who just bash for no apparent reason like "PS3 is hard to program for!!! Its such a crappy console!" like they are gonna program for it....
So you don't think anyone can have legitimate gripes with Sony and the PS3? Particularly Europeans. cakeorrdeath
no, Europeans have every right to be pissed off at sony, but not the American gamers who complain about the Price and the lack of emotion chip. And yes I know they are American or live in America because 1. They claim to already have a PS3 therefore none of the above reasons affect them or 2. they convert all foreign currency to USD like everyone gets payed in USD...
unlike fanboys who just bash for no apparent reason like "PS3 is hard to program for!!! Its such a crappy console!" like they are gonna program for it....Viviath
You don't think this has any effect on your individual enjoyment of the console?
Difficulties in development mean games take longer to produce and cost more to make. This for you means less featured games, delays, poorer utilisation of a systems power and sometimes projects not even getting off the ground.
So you don't think anyone can have legitimate gripes with Sony and the PS3? Particularly Europeans. Viviath
no, Europeans have every right to be pissed off at sony, but not the American gamers who complain about the Price and the lack of emotion chip. And yes I know they are American or live in America because 1. They claim to already have a PS3 therefore none of the above reasons affect them or 2. they convert all foreign currency to USD like everyone gets payed in USD...
Granted American gamers complaining about the price in Europe is very odd but they are well within their rights to be worried that America may follow suit with removing the emotion chip from PS3s.
[QUOTE="Viviath"] unlike fanboys who just bash for no apparent reason like "PS3 is hard to program for!!! Its such a crappy console!" like they are gonna program for it....cakeorrdeath
You don't think this has any effect on your individual enjoyment of the console?
Difficulties in development mean games take longer to produce and cost more to make. This for you means less featured games, delays, poorer utilisation of a systems power and sometimes projects not even getting off the ground.
I think your view is too focused. PS2 was hard to program for but looks what we got? We got technical achievments like SotC and GoW and the upcoming GoW2
PS2 was hard to program for but looks what we got? We got technical achievments like SotC and GoW and the upcoming GoW2Viviath
Did I say there wouldn't be great games on the PS3? I just pointing out that the development difficulties will hurt and/or hinder many games. The results are already apparent. GRAW 2 for example has a slight delay for PS3 (and not 360).
[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="Viviath"] unlike fanboys who just bash for no apparent reason like "PS3 is hard to program for!!! Its such a crappy console!" like they are gonna program for it....Viviath
You don't think this has any effect on your individual enjoyment of the console?
Difficulties in development mean games take longer to produce and cost more to make. This for you means less featured games, delays, poorer utilisation of a systems power and sometimes projects not even getting off the ground.
I think your view is too focused. PS2 was hard to program for but looks what we got? We got technical achievments like SotC and GoW and the upcoming GoW2
And the cell is even harder to program for, and are you really ready to wait that long for those technical achievments? SotC and GoW didn't really come anywhere near the beginning of the ps2 lifeline.
[QUOTE="Viviath"]PS2 was hard to program for but looks what we got? We got technical achievments like SotC and GoW and the upcoming GoW2cakeorrdeath
Did I say there wouldn't be great games on the PS3? I just pointing out that the development difficulties will hurt and/or hinder many games. The results are already apparent. GRAW 2 for example has a slight delay for PS3 (and not 360). yeah, I agree you do bring up a good point there. I take back the dev arguement.
People are missing the point which is Sony are rip off merchants plain and simple. They have a sales team that could sell sun light to an African, seriously their products are no better than anyone elses yet they charge hundreds more for them. The PS2 was not as good a system as xbox, yet it cost more, their Tv's are no better that panasonic or phillips yet they're about £300 more and the PS3 is no better than the 360 yet they charge more. Everyone can argue that it's got a blue-ray player so they've got to charge more but it probably cost them £30 to put it in and if it doesn't take off then that extra money you paid was for nothing.
People are missing the point which is Sony are rip off merchants plain and simple. They have a sales team that could sell sun light to an African, seriously their products are no better than anyone elses yet they charge hundreds more for them. The PS2 was not as good a system as xbox, yet it cost more, their Tv's are no better that panasonic or phillips yet they're about £300 more and the PS3 is no better than the 360 yet they charge more. Everyone can argue that it's got a blue-ray player so they've got to charge more but it probably cost them £30 to put it in and if it doesn't take off then that extra money you paid was for nothing. privateiron13
PS3 costs more to produce than the 360. They lose money on each unit sold.
But the TC isn't from Europe, I am, I had a PS and PS2 and was looking forward to the PS3 for ffxiii, dmc4 and mgs4 amoungst others but I feel we have been trodden and and screwed around by sony one too many times now.
People are missing the point which is Sony are rip off merchants plain and simple. They have a sales team that could sell sun light to an African, seriously their products are no better than anyone elses yet they charge hundreds more for them. The PS2 was not as good a system as xbox, yet it cost more, their Tv's are no better that panasonic or phillips yet they're about £300 more and the PS3 is no better than the 360 yet they charge more. Everyone can argue that it's got a blue-ray player so they've got to charge more but it probably cost them £30 to put it in and if it doesn't take off then that extra money you paid was for nothing. privateiron13
They estimated to lose 1 billion dollars this year just off the PS3. That debunk your arguement
But the TC isn't from Europe, I am, I had a PS and PS2 and was looking forward to the PS3 for ffxiii, dmc4 and mgs4 amoungst others but I feel we have been trodden and and screwed around by sony one too many times now.nickmag
You have a emulation of the PS2 that can be updated with firmware. Why are you buggin out with the B/C? It's not even know the percentage it going to have. Also you have a PS2. If the game doesn't work on your PS3 plug in your PS2. There will be a list of games that won't work with the PS3. If one of the games you like is on it, I suggest keeping your PS2.
What do you mean with lack of logic? So it's ok everything what a company does as long as you're not directly affected? Anyway, pissed off europeans + inferior product + expensive device == lower sales == less games.
Seriously people...you need to stop with all the bashing. Whats going on...its only recently since we have been coming closer to the European release of the PS3 that the bashing has gotten out of hand. You hear Americans complaining about the European price like it affects them, and then you here people complaining about the lack of emotion chip in the PS3 when they are lemmings. European pre-orders for PS3 are record breaking, so basically they seem content with what they are purchasing. If you are unhappy with your purchase, fair enough, tell us about your experience with ur PS3 and why you dont like it instead of brining up issues that do not concern you in the least bit.
Here is an example of my favorite arguement scenario:
Hater: PS3 sucks! No emotion chip for the EU release, $999AUD in Australia, about 700US dollars in Europe!!! WTF!? Supporter: Yeah, but people are still buying it, you are just bashing it cuz you dont like Sony. Hater: What!? Well, I'm a manticore! I aint no fanboy, infact I have an X360 and PS3 and a Wii!!! Supporter: Well, If you have a PS3...then why do you care about the changes to the hardware and international prices? Hater: What eva!! Sony has lost touch with its fans....
The lack of logic is astounding. If every X360 in the world blew up except for mine, I would have no reason to complain and bash the X360 for having shoddy harware, but unfortunetaly, mine has broken twice. I must say though that MS has excellent customer service although I would rather my X360 just didnt break.... Viviath
All I can say is what goes around comes around. Sony fans talked more sh!t than anyone before it's launch, and Sony's "The Next Generation Starts When We Say It Does" comment sure measures up great when 4 months into launch the PS3 has yet to get a MAJOR title, when both of it's competitors already have AAA's. If ps3 gamers were humble before launch, than things might be different, but if they have stuff too say than I think they are getting what the deserve.
And personally, I see absolutly no value at all in analysing console sales. Let's face it, there are people out there buying the PS3 because it has Sony's name on it. Unless you own some Sony stock, why the hell would you care? In the end all that really matters is how much fun you have with your system in your living room, which is hard to do when you are waiting on games that have been released on the 360 months ago.
 I dont hate the PS3. I just have some genuine complaints about Sony and there massively over-hyped console. The problem is with you cows is you dont want to hear any type of negativity towards the PS3 be it from fanboys or posters who have legitmate reasons.If you guys want a forum that blindly loves and praises the PS3 at every turn then you need to stay in the PS3 forums.Â
This is system wars and if you cant take the negativity or the dumb fanboy comments you dont need to be in here, bottom line. 360 was bashed a ton when it came out did not stop you cows from gloating and making fun of it, same thing with the revolution...especially after it got renamed to the Wii (but that was alil bit of everyone).You cows can dish out crap but cant take it and want everyone to feel sorry for you...I dont think so.
[QUOTE="nickmag"]But the TC isn't from Europe, I am, I had a PS and PS2 and was looking forward to the PS3 for ffxiii, dmc4 and mgs4 amoungst others but I feel we have been trodden and and screwed around by sony one too many times now.Socrates88
You have a emulation of the PS2 that can be updated with firmware. Why are you buggin out with the B/C? It's not even know the percentage it going to have. Also you have a PS2. If the game doesn't work on your PS3 plug in your PS2. There will be a list of games that won't work with the PS3. If one of the games you like is on it, I suggest keeping your PS2.
the fact remains, when youre paying several huindred dollars for a gaming system that has promised FULL B/C, you better damn well get it. and it better work flawlessly.  software updates aside, and waht about those that NEED to sell their ps2s in order to be able to afford a ps3?   what are they left to do?  lose out on some great games, cus sony wants to save 27$?
[QUOTE="privateiron13"]People are missing the point which is Sony are rip off merchants plain and simple. They have a sales team that could sell sun light to an African, seriously their products are no better than anyone elses yet they charge hundreds more for them. The PS2 was not as good a system as xbox, yet it cost more, their Tv's are no better that panasonic or phillips yet they're about £300 more and the PS3 is no better than the 360 yet they charge more. Everyone can argue that it's got a blue-ray player so they've got to charge more but it probably cost them £30 to put it in and if it doesn't take off then that extra money you paid was for nothing. cakeorrdeath
PS3 costs more to produce than the 360. They lose money on each unit sold.
Learn you facts. Yeah ok! like I said they can sell people like you anything. when they say they're gonna loose money on each console, what they mean is if they sold all the parts separately the they would get much more money, there's no way that a business like sony would rely solely on game sales to make a profit, that's not how business works, when a company buys any component in the quantity that sony have for the PlayStation they get each one for next to nothing. Yeah they have to pay for the labs to find the technology but that's a one off charge spread out across the whole of the board. The tech will go into Tv's, Pc's, blu-ray player etc. so the charge wont just be accounted for buy the PS3 team. They come out with pitches like this to make the Joe public think they're getting their money's worth and it's worked.
[QUOTE="trasherhead"][QUOTE="Codename33"]It's not the price of the ps3, it's the lackluster games. Formula one, the only decent game left in february for the PS3, just got a 7.2. While ps3 fans are still waiting for a AAA game, everyone else is enjoying at least one.0rin
why do you care what score a game gets here on GS or any other place for that mater? If you like F1 games then go get it. I was going to say something similar. Does it really matter what score a game gets? It's sorta like the friends/bridge analogy. Just because some random guy that you've never met in person doesn't like a game, you're not going to? Seems rather silly to me. Well, I don't care about the reviews here at GS. And IGN for that matter. They can't review the games with ONE reviewer. It's wrong because it is an opinion from just one person. They should have at least 3 people review the game, then they discuss it. It's just a better way.
[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="privateiron13"]People are missing the point which is Sony are rip off merchants plain and simple. They have a sales team that could sell sun light to an African, seriously their products are no better than anyone elses yet they charge hundreds more for them. The PS2 was not as good a system as xbox, yet it cost more, their Tv's are no better that panasonic or phillips yet they're about £300 more and the PS3 is no better than the 360 yet they charge more. Everyone can argue that it's got a blue-ray player so they've got to charge more but it probably cost them £30 to put it in and if it doesn't take off then that extra money you paid was for nothing. privateiron13
PS3 costs more to produce than the 360. They lose money on each unit sold.
Learn you facts. Yeah ok! like I said they can sell people like you anything. when they say they're gonna loose money on each console, what they mean is if they sold all the parts separately the they would get much more money, there's no way that a business like sony would rely solely on game sales to make a profit, that's not how business works, when a company buys any component in the quantity that sony have for the PlayStation they get each one for next to nothing. Yeah they have to pay for the labs to find the technology but that's a one off charge spread out across the whole of the board. The tech will go into Tv's, Pc's, blu-ray player etc. so the charge wont just be accounted for buy the PS3 team. They come out with pitches like this to make the Joe public think they're getting their money's worth and it's worked. No, when it comes to just the price of the components, Sony is losing close to $200 on each PS3. And that's not counting the billions that they spent on development. They're existence as it is today relies on the success of the PS3. But it's not the video games that they're going to make most of their money on, it's the Blu-Ray movies. If Blu-Ray becomes the next DVD, then they stand to make billions and billions of dollars. That is why they are willing to take such a loss on the PS3.
the things sony has done with htis machine is outrages..the only people who want a ps3 are those who still buy into sony's beleif and on the strenght of the ps1 and ps2!
the things sony has done with htis machine is outrages..the only people who want a ps3 are those who still buy into sony's beleif and on the strenght of the ps1 and ps2!daveg1
Not necessarily. I'm getting one, but not for either of those reasons. I'm getting one for the exclusives and blu-ray player. I know that the 360 is getting the bigger and better game lineup this generation, but the PS3 will eventually have enough good games for me to get one...
The components aren't going in just PS3's they go into loads of electrical equipment. How could they justify a $200 loss on each console, it wouldn't happen, Sony they are going to say something like that. yeah it would have cost billions in development but it's like that with anything, they won't get in to true profit until they've sold enough of the product (which they're making profit on) to pay off their overheads. If they were relying on BLU-RAY becoming the next dvd which there's a very good chance it won't because HD-DVD is the not quite as good but much more non tech enthusiast user friendly and cheaper system, then it would take years for Sony to make money back if they're loosing on each console sold, by time any money is coming back they would have to be spending more than it on developing the PS4, I can't see Sony risking that much on Blu-Ray. I admit it, I just don't like Sony, and there's obviously much more to it that either of us could every know, but you must see the logic in what I'm saying, it wouldn't make sense in loosing $200 on each PS3.
You do indeed reap what you sow. However, I do want Blu-Ray to do well and I do want more exclusives for the Ps3. Seriously, though what is Sony doing besides shooting themselves in the foot? Cows were all about "sales" last gen, and didn't care about graphics. You drove that point home every single time. Ps2 OUTSELLS LOL.
I think this angered a lot of people, because you would ignore the comments about "ps2 being da casuals console ya feel blood?" and continue debating without addressing the insult/fact. Now they are doing this to you. This gen your Ps3 is not selling well, your graphics were rated under that of the Xbox 360's, your console is the most expensive and the only good thing you guys really have is a format that is not even a for sure win.
It's one big gamble. But seriously. You guys are the equivalent of being "rocked" right now in a UFC match. It seems like one more negative hit and the whole gaming franchise of Sony and quality of its brand name will topple like Pete Sell.
If the 360 won't do it, the Wii will. Square needs to step up to the plate and give you a Final Fantasy VII remake. That would do it for me. I would put down 599 for one game, and that would be it. If Sony were smarter about what it copied from other companys they would do very well. If they had a Super Smash Brother-like game they could do it. Problem is they need to establish more characters that are exclusively under the Sony brand. GG, Ps3. Come back in the race soon.
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