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One of the best points made. Why?how come only the 360 elite support hdmi?
ejstrup
Because that made it a ton easier for MS when HDMI wasn't a concern. You had only two types of gamers to piss off. Ones with RCA and ones with component. So, try to please them both by using a dual-need cable. Especially since the two cables actually are a lot alike.
Not so sure they would have done that if HDMI was in the equation from the beginning. But that's just speculation.
[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]You can't be serious. :lol:It's funny you quoted that because I got the idea for that looking at your new sig. XBL = totally functional system with piles of cool games and features. PSN = we'll get there someday. You are the poster boy for sucking up whatever bone Sony wants to throw you and accepting it as good enough.What it all boils down to is what it has always boiled down to if all you have is a PS3.
You will take whatever it is and you will like it or too damn bad for you because it's not like you have a choice one way or the other.
If you did not want discipline instilled into you then tough luck that's what you are getting.
Accept it like you have accepted everything else.
The_Crucible
[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="enygma500"]Prove it. The challenge is there. Find one post where I said the PS3 sucks or that it's crappy..JUST ONE.sorry heretix but i have to agree with the crucible. ALOT of your post are anti PS3. doesn't mean you hate sony per se but everytime i see you you're rambling on about the ps3 being crappy. you say you're only argueing with the fanboys but considering how overrun these forums are with lemmings, one would think we'd see at least a few posts argueing with the lems.
The_Crucible
This one. You are bashing Sony over a $20 cable when you get all of those other features with it. Some that other systems of equal price don't have.
"I am not bashing Sony at all. I am critiquing one decision they made. As a company, they don't suck because they made the decision, the decision itself was dumb. Are you seriously that dense that you don't know the difference?"I posted this in this very thread. Nice of you to ignore it. How is what I said bashing Sony and a the decision they made?
Stop owning yourself, because this is getting ridiculous and is the very reason I tend to skew against Sony fanboys. They tend to ignore facts and make up their own.
[QUOTE="enygma500"][QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="heretrix"]You are such a Sony apologist that it's embarrassing.And you sure spend a ton of time bashing them.I'm a Sony hater?
I own:
a Sony 46in XBR4, PS3, PSP, Sony dreamtheater 5.1 surround system, 30 in Sony WEGA HD (bedroom)
For someone that hates Sony I sure spend a lot of money on their products.
:|
heretrix
Dude, 90% of your posts I see here in SW are anti-PS3. Does that mean I see all of your posts? Hell no. Just the same, you don't see all of mine.
I have a PS3, PS3 only. I've never claimed otherwise. But that changes nothing. Facts are facts.
You get into how wired is better than wireless. Who said different? My point was, Sony has given the gamer EVERYTHING they need out of the box to play PS3 games. Everything. You don't have a HDTV, you can still play. You have a HDTV, you can still play on composites. You don't have you PS3 setup near your modem but you have a wireless router, you can still play. You don't have a wirleless router, you can use wired. You want to play online, it's free. You want to save data and games, you have a HDD.
Get it? Its obvious HD is better than SD. Its obvious wired is better than wireless. I have never argued against that. Again, all i am saying is that complaining about a $20 cable when you get all of those other features to suit any environment you may have, out of the box, is lame.
It is such a small thing. Yet, people here make it out to be a reason to bash Sony.
None of my posts have EVER bashed the PS3. 100 percent of my post have been responses to some idiotic post from some fanboy claiming PS3 superiority. I challenge you to find 1 post that I have made that has said "The PS3 sucks"I guarantee you won't find one. I have OFTEN said the PS3 hardware is superior to the 360's crap build.
I love the PS3, but I can't stand Sony fanboys. It more often than not will put me on the 360 side simply because of the ridiculous nonsense they spew in these forums. Do I take them seriously? No. But I will not hesitate to debate something I feel is incorrect.
sorry heretix but i have to agree with the crucible. ALOT of your post are anti PS3. doesn't mean you hate sony per se but everytime i see you you're rambling on about the ps3 being crappy. you say you're only argueing with the fanboys but considering how overrun these forums are with lemmings, one would think we'd see at least a few posts argueing with the lems.
Prove it. The challenge is there. Find one post where I said the PS3 sucks or that it's crappy..JUST ONE.i dont need to find a post where you say flat out that its crappy. all i was trying to say was you generally lean more towards the 360 then the ps3. when i said rambling on about the ps3 being crappy, it was just a general/generic term. i always see you bashing the ps3 features and games. i dont need to be a rocket scientist to realise that you have a 360 bias. but that doesn't mean you hate the ps3, just that you like it the least. i know i have a little bit of a ps3 bias, and i dont care if anyone says so. your getting so defensive over nothing.
[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]You can't be serious. :lol:It's funny you quoted that because I got the idea for that looking at your new sig. XBL = totally functional system with piles of cool games and features. PSN = we'll get there someday. You are the poster boy for sucking up whatever bone Sony wants to throw you and accepting it as good enough.What it all boils down to is what it has always boiled down to if all you have is a PS3.
You will take whatever it is and you will like it or too damn bad for you because it's not like you have a choice one way or the other.
If you did not want discipline instilled into you then tough luck that's what you are getting.
Accept it like you have accepted everything else.
Riverwolf007
It's a rip on both, buddy.
And contrary to your opinion, XBLA is starting to be known as being full of crap. That, yes, there are some gems, but only after wading through the turds. This has been said by developers.
I can see how you could misunderstand my sig with your goggles on. It isn't a positive for Sony saying "hang in there guys, we'll get there!" That's far from it. I meant it more of a joke like that is Sony's actual PSN slogan. I think it fits and would be hilarious of that were their slogan. Mostly because they keep making us wait and keep teasing with FRIGGIN' T-shirts.
[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]If that was the case maybe they shouldn't have run off at the mouth about how the PS3 was a "TrueHD" system.Hmmmm, let's think on this a bit.
Do you provide a cable that EVERYONE has the use of? Or, do you provide a cable that could leave some out?
I agree, it sucks, a little. I have a HDTV, therefore, I wouldn't use the composite (RCA) cables. But what about John Doe with the SDTV? He gets a PS3 and it comes with HDMI, what then? He can't even play it out of the box. Same could go for componenets, not all have those jacks. See how dumb that is?
And then there's the whole separate guessing game just for the HD cables. Do you provide components that do HD but don't do all of the HD PS3 features? Or, do you do HDMI where a lot of TV's don't even have the jack.
Get it?!?!
Why don't you people think a little before spouting off. Put yourself in their position. Think about how you would best service 1000's of people with 1000's of different setups. Then tell me how it makes sense to provide anything other than what is bneeded for EVERYONE to be able to play right out of the box.
The_Crucible
TV's with component jacks have been available for at leat 10 years. They could have at least gone with that.It was a STUPID move. Did it hurt anybody? No. But the results would have been the same. Somebody would have to buy a cable. It's idiotic to market a system as an HD system and ship it with SD cables.
Man, you have to try real hard to be stretching so far to bash PS3.So, because the PS3 doesn't include cables to work with every setup, including HD cables (HDMI or Component) that makes the PS3 less of a HD gaming machine? Is that what you are saying?
360 is marketed as a great online system yet the wireless comes separate with most 360 SKU's. So what? Does that make Live a lesser feature/service? :lol:
I really don't think you know what you're talking about. Sony has said time and time again that the PS3 was the ONLY true HD gaming machine. How could it be the ONLY true gaming maching and yet not include the basics to even get HD? Please at the very least Sony could have included combo cables like MS after paying so much for one.
MS NEVER marketed the 360 has a premier WIRELESS gaming machine. They did however market it's online capabilities and the last I checked it didn't require wireless to go online. In fact hard wired>>>>>wireless for gaming always. Get your facts straight before you post.
This isn't about me being defensive, it's about what's accurate or on not. I have never bashed the PS3 as a system, I have only made comments responding to Sony fanboys. If people don't like it that's ok with me. I'm just saying my piece.i dont need to find a post where you say flat out that its crappy. all i was trying to say was you generally lean more towards the 360 then the ps3. when i said rambling on about the ps3 being crappy, it was just a general/generic term. i always see you bashing the ps3 features and games. i dont need to be a rocket scientist to realise that you have a 360 bias. but that doesn't mean you hate the ps3, just that you like it the least. i know i have a little bit of a ps3 bias, and i dont care if anyone says so. your getting so defensive over nothing.
enygma500
50 dollar component cable? yeah maybe by monster cables but a ps3 cable is not 50 dollars that i know of.
now hdmi? yeah its pricey if you want a good long one.
WilliamRLBaker
Nope. Your better off buying a $5 dollar HDMI cable on the internet. It's just as good as a $200 dollar HDMI cable.
it doesn't come with a component cable, it comes with a composite cable.
component cable is great. learn the difference
Just to make you feel better about yourself..... You're right!I really don't think you know what you're talking about. Sony has said time and time again that the PS3 was the ONLY true HD gaming machine. How could it be the ONLY true gaming maching and yet not include the basics to even get HD? Please at the very least Sony could have included combo cables like MS after paying so much for one.
MS NEVER marketed the 360 has a premier WIRELESS gaming machine. They did however market it's online capabilities and the last I checked it didn't require wireless to go online. In fact hard wired>>>>>wireless for gaming always. Get your facts straight before you post.
kingtito
But where you're right and with how much of a real point is the question.
PS3: DVD upscaler, check - Blu-ray player, check - HD games, check. $20 cable needed. Wow.
And I already countered someone who misread my post. Where do i say wireless is better than wired? :lol: I was saying that a "premeire" online system like the 360 doesn't have all of the common ways people use to connect to the internet. Just like PS3 "true HD" system doesn't include all of the ways for people to view PS3 images.
But, guess what? There's more. To solve PS3's issue, you go buy a $20 cable. How much and what brands can you choose to get a wireless receiver for 360 if needed? How muchand what brands do you get to choose for a HDD for a core or arcade 360? How much and what brands do you choose for a blu-ray player on the 360?
Wow, Sony says the PS3 is a true HD machine and it performs but it doesn't have the cable. Holy crap!!!
In the haters definition of what Sony should do, Sony should have included the HDMI cable. It is the only "true" digital cable. But then that would have excluded many. And if they went with the components, it still wouldn't be good enough because its not all digital.
Moral of the sotry, Sony can't win with most of these people.
[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]50 dollar component cable? yeah maybe by monster cables but a ps3 cable is not 50 dollars that i know of.
now hdmi? yeah its pricey if you want a good long one.
dream431ca
Nope. Your better off buying a $5 dollar HDMI cable on the internet. It's just as good as a $200 dollar HDMI cable.
Well it depends. If you need a long HDMI cable, it is better to spend a bit more as the cable needs to be reliable for data transmission. If the run is short then a 5 dollar HDMI cable is just fine.[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]You can't be serious. :lol:It's funny you quoted that because I got the idea for that looking at your new sig. XBL = totally functional system with piles of cool games and features. PSN = we'll get there someday. You are the poster boy for sucking up whatever bone Sony wants to throw you and accepting it as good enough.What it all boils down to is what it has always boiled down to if all you have is a PS3.
You will take whatever it is and you will like it or too damn bad for you because it's not like you have a choice one way or the other.
If you did not want discipline instilled into you then tough luck that's what you are getting.
Accept it like you have accepted everything else.
The_Crucible
It's a rip on both, buddy.
And contrary to your opinion, XBLA is starting to be known as being full of crap. That, yes, there are some gems, but only after wading through the turds. This has been said by developers.
I can see how you could misunderstand my sig with your goggles on. It isn't a positive for Sony saying "hang in there guys, we'll get there!" That's far from it. I meant it more of a joke like that is Sony's actual PSN slogan. I think it fits and would be hilarious of that were their slogan. Mostly because they keep making us wait and keep teasing with FRIGGIN' T-shirts.
Which developers because I can send them a list which includes Prince of Persia,Worms, Pac-Man CE, Bomberman Live, Astropop, TMNT, Castlevania SotN, Dig-dug, Galaga, Doom, Zuma, Geometery Wars, Smash TV, Gauntlet, Catan, SWoC, Puzzle Quest and that's just offf the top of my head.Who's opinion is correct here mine or theirs?
I'm mostly just trying to get across the idea that you folks are not doing Sony any favors by cheerleading for a system that's in last place in game quality. Rumble was added to the Sixaxis and MS improved the warrenty not because people were cheerleading but because they were complaining.
No it just means you misconstrued what was said and claimed people were bashing Sony.Moral of the sotry, Sony can't win with most of these people.
The_Crucible
Asked earlier, How is critiquing one decision a company makes, bashing the company itself?
It's quite funny you don't seem to have answer for that. You bring up the fact that the 360 doesn't have wireless built in as a counter argument against the lack of cable failing to realize that unlike the missing cable on the PS3 the actual ethernet connection is actually BETTER, so the addition of a 100 dollar addon is only a convenience, not a performance upgrade, unlike the cables.
Your answers in this thread and the incorrect accusation that I'm anti PS3 is the primary reason I don't side with PS3 fanboys such as yourself. They bring no logic into their arguments and simply ignore any facts presented to them in favor of their preference.
1)The PS3 is compatible with PS2 component cable so if you had one on your PS2 you can use it on your PS3.
2)They only cost $20 to get the Sony brand component cable
3)A 9 foot HDMI is less than $15
That is nothing compared to what MS charges your for accessories that are standard on PS3.
$100 for a WiFi adaptor
$50 for a year of online
$25 for a recharge kit
Which developers because I can send them a list which includes Prince of Persia,Worms, Pac-Man CE, Bomberman Live, Astropop, TMNT, Castlevania SotN, Dig-dug, Galaga, Doom, Zuma, Geometery Wars, Smash TV, Gauntlet, Catan, SWoC, Puzzle Quest and that's just offf the top of my head.Get it through your skull. i am not cheeleading SOny, I am bashing them in my sig. It pisses me off they have taken this long on some of these features. One of which is from last gen. And it pissed me off when they had the in-shirt XMB Tshirt a few months back. Just friggin' teasing all of us PS3 owners who've been begging for the feature.Who's opinion is correct here mine or theirs?
I'm mostly just trying to get across the idea that you folks are not doing Sony any favors by cheerleading for a system that's in last place in game quality. Rumble was added to the Sixaxis and MS improved the warrenty not because people were cheerleading but because they were complaining.
Riverwolf007
Read.
And then you list a bunch of XBLA titles, great. If I wanted a list of them I can find one on my own. Funny thing is, some of those are old ports. I give MS nor XBLA ANY credit for games that were on and made for other systems. Yeah, they added online!!! Wow. Would have to hold me back from jumping right on Guantlet over current titles.
We're not the only ones tired of sifting through the digital dump. Xbox Live GM Marc Whitten has made it clear that any stinkers in the Xbox Live Arcade catalog will soon be delisted, he told Next-Gen. That's a nice way of saying, Microsoft is finally taking out the trash. And what qualifies as 100% pure garbage, you ask? It's a combination of things: A title must be at least six months old, have a Metacritic score below 65 and a conversion rate below 6%. Microsoft will provide a three-month notice before delisting any game.Joystiq
Doesn't mean you have to feel that way. But do I have to feel the way you do? I made the sig. Its on my profile. It's my opinion. I don't have that right when you do?
Read your own question a few times and i think you'll see how ridiculous it is. A matter of semantics.How is critiquing one decision a company makes, bashing the company itself?
heretrix
So how does any of that make Sony's decision any less dumb?1)The PS3 is compatible with PS2 component cable so if you had one on your PS2 you can use it on your PS3.
2)They only cost $20 to get the Sony brand component cable
3)A 9 foot HDMI is less than $15
That is nothing compared to what MS charges your for accessories that are standard on PS3.
$100 for a WiFi adaptor
$50 for a year of online
$25 for a recharge kit
CajunShooter
Just work with me here:
I decide to get on a bike and ride against traffic is that any less dumb than a person that decides to jump over a car on a skateboard with no padding?
No. While different situations both are dumb and inexcusible.
The same thing goes for Sony and MS. Basically all I've seen is people dodging the issue here.
*Staring at my360 Pro w/HDMI port* I must have a magic 360 then.how come only the 360 elite support hdmi?
ejstrup
[QUOTE="heretrix"]Read your own question a few times and i think you'll see how ridiculous it is. A matter of semantics.How is critiquing one decision a company makes, bashing the company itself?
The_Crucible
It isn't ridiculous at all. Sony is a huge company with a lot of employees. Just because you disagree with one decision a company makes doesn't make you hate the company, what kind of logic is that?
I HATE Windows, yet you think I'm some kind of MS fanboy. I think the 360's build quality is crap, and I've mentioned it here many times, yet 90 percent of my posts are anti Sony. That isn't how it works.
My friends make a lot of bad decisions but I don't hate just because I disagree with them, that's silly.
[QUOTE="kingtito"]Just to make you feel better about yourself..... You're right!I really don't think you know what you're talking about. Sony has said time and time again that the PS3 was the ONLY true HD gaming machine. How could it be the ONLY true gaming maching and yet not include the basics to even get HD? Please at the very least Sony could have included combo cables like MS after paying so much for one.
MS NEVER marketed the 360 has a premier WIRELESS gaming machine. They did however market it's online capabilities and the last I checked it didn't require wireless to go online. In fact hard wired>>>>>wireless for gaming always. Get your facts straight before you post.
The_Crucible
But where you're right and with how much of a real point is the question.
PS3: DVD upscaler, check - Blu-ray player, check - HD games, check. $20 cable needed. Wow.
And I already countered someone who misread my post. Where do i say wireless is better than wired? :lol: I was saying that a "premeire" online system like the 360 doesn't have all of the common ways people use to connect to the internet. Just like PS3 "true HD" system doesn't include all of the ways for people to view PS3 images.
But, guess what? There's more. To solve PS3's issue, you go buy a $20 cable. How much and what brands can you choose to get a wireless receiver for 360 if needed? How muchand what brands do you get to choose for a HDD for a core or arcade 360? How much and what brands do you choose for a blu-ray player on the 360?
Wow, Sony says the PS3 is a true HD machine and it performs but it doesn't have the cable. Holy crap!!!
In the haters definition of what Sony should do, Sony should have included the HDMI cable. It is the only "true" digital cable. But then that would have excluded many. And if they went with the components, it still wouldn't be good enough because its not all digital.
Moral of the sotry, Sony can't win with most of these people.
The difference it MS NEVER said it was the premier WIRElESS gaming machine. You can go online and they even included the ethernet cable if it can reach your router. Sony on the other hand was running around talking about the PS3 being the ONLY "true" HD gaming machine and yet didn't even include the cables to get HD.
Can you get HD picture with composite cables??? Can you watch movies or play games in HD right out of the box???? Can you go online on the 360 right out of the box???? Can you play games in HD (premium model)right out of the box??
Answer thoese questions and maybe you'll start to understand what people are saying in this thread.
[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]Which developers because I can send them a list which includes Prince of Persia,Worms, Pac-Man CE, Bomberman Live, Astropop, TMNT, Castlevania SotN, Dig-dug, Galaga, Doom, Zuma, Geometery Wars, Smash TV, Gauntlet, Catan, SWoC, Puzzle Quest and that's just offf the top of my head.Get it through your skull. i am not cheeleading SOny, I am bashing them in my sig. It pisses me off they have taken this long on some of these features. One of which is from last gen. And it pissed me off when they had the in-shirt XMB Tshirt a few months back. Just friggin' teasing all of us PS3 owners who've been begging for the feature.Who's opinion is correct here mine or theirs?
I'm mostly just trying to get across the idea that you folks are not doing Sony any favors by cheerleading for a system that's in last place in game quality. Rumble was added to the Sixaxis and MS improved the warrenty not because people were cheerleading but because they were complaining.
The_Crucible
Read.
And then you list a bunch of XBLA titles, great. If I wanted a list of them I can find one on my own. Funny thing is, some of those are old ports. I give MS nor XBLA ANY credit for games that were on and made for other systems. Yeah, they added online!!! Wow. Would have to hold me back from jumping right on Guantlet over current titles.
We're not the only ones tired of sifting through the digital dump. Xbox Live GM Marc Whitten has made it clear that any stinkers in the Xbox Live Arcade catalog will soon be delisted, he told Next-Gen. That's a nice way of saying, Microsoft is finally taking out the trash. And what qualifies as 100% pure garbage, you ask? It's a combination of things: A title must be at least six months old, have a Metacritic score below 65 and a conversion rate below 6%. Microsoft will provide a three-month notice before delisting any game.Joystiq
Doesn't mean you have to feel that way. But do I have to feel the way you do? I made the sig. Its on my profile. It's my opinion. I don't have that right when you do?
If you say devs don't like the games but then list Joystiq as your source I don't know what to tell you.[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="kingtito"]Just to make you feel better about yourself..... You're right!I really don't think you know what you're talking about. Sony has said time and time again that the PS3 was the ONLY true HD gaming machine. How could it be the ONLY true gaming maching and yet not include the basics to even get HD? Please at the very least Sony could have included combo cables like MS after paying so much for one.
MS NEVER marketed the 360 has a premier WIRELESS gaming machine. They did however market it's online capabilities and the last I checked it didn't require wireless to go online. In fact hard wired>>>>>wireless for gaming always. Get your facts straight before you post.
kingtito
But where you're right and with how much of a real point is the question.
PS3: DVD upscaler, check - Blu-ray player, check - HD games, check. $20 cable needed. Wow.
And I already countered someone who misread my post. Where do i say wireless is better than wired? :lol: I was saying that a "premeire" online system like the 360 doesn't have all of the common ways people use to connect to the internet. Just like PS3 "true HD" system doesn't include all of the ways for people to view PS3 images.
But, guess what? There's more. To solve PS3's issue, you go buy a $20 cable. How much and what brands can you choose to get a wireless receiver for 360 if needed? How muchand what brands do you get to choose for a HDD for a core or arcade 360? How much and what brands do you choose for a blu-ray player on the 360?
Wow, Sony says the PS3 is a true HD machine and it performs but it doesn't have the cable. Holy crap!!!
In the haters definition of what Sony should do, Sony should have included the HDMI cable. It is the only "true" digital cable. But then that would have excluded many. And if they went with the components, it still wouldn't be good enough because its not all digital.
Moral of the sotry, Sony can't win with most of these people.
The difference it MS NEVER said it was the premier WIRElESS gaming machine. You can go online and they even included the ethernet cable if it can reach your router. Sony on the other hand was running around talking about the PS3 being the ONLY "true" HD gaming machine and yet didn't even include the cables to get HD.
Can you get HD picture with composite cables??? Can you watch movies or play games in HD right out of the box???? Can you go online on the 360 right out of the box???? Can you play games in HD (premium model)right out of the box??
Answer thoese questions and maybe you'll start to understand what people are saying in this thread.
I'll answer your questions. :lol:
No, you can't get HD picture with composite cables. But you can get a picture and play. (that asnwers questions 1 and 2)
Yes, you can go online with the 360 right out of the box. If you have your TV setup next to your modem or have a real long ethernet cable (not provided). And if you want to actually GAME online, you need to pay $50. Wouldn't call that "right out of the box", would you?
And then, on your last question, in order to make your point, you had to specify the SKU. :lol:
Again, as I already admitted, this was a dumb move by Sony. But I can also see the double-edged sword they had to deal with on this subject unless they included three different cables (not happening anywhere). And I also see how miniscule this issue is on the grand scheme of things. You get so many features on EVERY PS3. Ones you have to pay well over $20 for or can't get at all.
[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]Which developers because I can send them a list which includes Prince of Persia,Worms, Pac-Man CE, Bomberman Live, Astropop, TMNT, Castlevania SotN, Dig-dug, Galaga, Doom, Zuma, Geometery Wars, Smash TV, Gauntlet, Catan, SWoC, Puzzle Quest and that's just offf the top of my head.Get it through your skull. i am not cheeleading SOny, I am bashing them in my sig. It pisses me off they have taken this long on some of these features. One of which is from last gen. And it pissed me off when they had the in-shirt XMB Tshirt a few months back. Just friggin' teasing all of us PS3 owners who've been begging for the feature.Who's opinion is correct here mine or theirs?
I'm mostly just trying to get across the idea that you folks are not doing Sony any favors by cheerleading for a system that's in last place in game quality. Rumble was added to the Sixaxis and MS improved the warrenty not because people were cheerleading but because they were complaining.
Riverwolf007
Read.
And then you list a bunch of XBLA titles, great. If I wanted a list of them I can find one on my own. Funny thing is, some of those are old ports. I give MS nor XBLA ANY credit for games that were on and made for other systems. Yeah, they added online!!! Wow. Would have to hold me back from jumping right on Guantlet over current titles.
We're not the only ones tired of sifting through the digital dump. Xbox Live GM Marc Whitten has made it clear that any stinkers in the Xbox Live Arcade catalog will soon be delisted, he told Next-Gen. That's a nice way of saying, Microsoft is finally taking out the trash. And what qualifies as 100% pure garbage, you ask? It's a combination of things: A title must be at least six months old, have a Metacritic score below 65 and a conversion rate below 6%. Microsoft will provide a three-month notice before delisting any game.Joystiq
Doesn't mean you have to feel that way. But do I have to feel the way you do? I made the sig. Its on my profile. It's my opinion. I don't have that right when you do?
If you say devs don't like the games but then list Joystiq as your source I don't know what to tell you. http://www.joystiq.com/2008/03/17/wiiware-dev-xbla-is-full-of-sh-t/[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]Which developers because I can send them a list which includes Prince of Persia,Worms, Pac-Man CE, Bomberman Live, Astropop, TMNT, Castlevania SotN, Dig-dug, Galaga, Doom, Zuma, Geometery Wars, Smash TV, Gauntlet, Catan, SWoC, Puzzle Quest and that's just offf the top of my head.Get it through your skull. i am not cheeleading SOny, I am bashing them in my sig. It pisses me off they have taken this long on some of these features. One of which is from last gen. And it pissed me off when they had the in-shirt XMB Tshirt a few months back. Just friggin' teasing all of us PS3 owners who've been begging for the feature.Who's opinion is correct here mine or theirs?
I'm mostly just trying to get across the idea that you folks are not doing Sony any favors by cheerleading for a system that's in last place in game quality. Rumble was added to the Sixaxis and MS improved the warrenty not because people were cheerleading but because they were complaining.
The_Crucible
Read.
And then you list a bunch of XBLA titles, great. If I wanted a list of them I can find one on my own. Funny thing is, some of those are old ports. I give MS nor XBLA ANY credit for games that were on and made for other systems. Yeah, they added online!!! Wow. Would have to hold me back from jumping right on Guantlet over current titles.
We're not the only ones tired of sifting through the digital dump. Xbox Live GM Marc Whitten has made it clear that any stinkers in the Xbox Live Arcade catalog will soon be delisted, he told Next-Gen. That's a nice way of saying, Microsoft is finally taking out the trash. And what qualifies as 100% pure garbage, you ask? It's a combination of things: A title must be at least six months old, have a Metacritic score below 65 and a conversion rate below 6%. Microsoft will provide a three-month notice before delisting any game.Joystiq
Doesn't mean you have to feel that way. But do I have to feel the way you do? I made the sig. Its on my profile. It's my opinion. I don't have that right when you do?
If you say devs don't like the games but then list Joystiq as your source I don't know what to tell you. http://www.joystiq.com/2008/03/17/wiiware-dev-xbla-is-full-of-sh-t/So the guys trying to make a buck selling nes/snes titles don't like the classic arcade lineup on xbla. What's next, asking the marketing team at Ford what they think about Nissan?I'll answer your questions. :lol:
No, you can't get HD picture with composite cables. But you can get a picture and play. (that asnwers questions 1 and 2)
Yes, you can go online with the 360 right out of the box. If you have your TV setup next to your modem or have a real long ethernet cable (not provided). And if you want to actually GAME online, you need to pay $50. Wouldn't call that "right out of the box", would you?
And then, on your last question, in order to make your point, you had to specify the SKU. :lol:
Again, as I already admitted, this was a dumb move by Sony. But I can also see the double-edged sword they had to deal with on this subject unless they included three different cables (not happening anywhere). And I also see how miniscule this issue is on the grand scheme of things. You get so many features on EVERY PS3. Ones you have to pay well over $20 for or can't get at all.
The_Crucible
You still cannot get HD from the PS3 without purchasing component or HDMI cables. Not other way to spin it dude.
You can get online with the 360 out of the box, it comes with an ethernet cables. Plus 3 months of free Xbox Live, so no, you dont need to pay $50.
http://www.joystiq.com/2008/03/17/wiiware-dev-xbla-is-full-of-sh-t/Riverwolf007So the guys trying to make a buck selling nes/snes titles don't like the ****c arcade lineup on xbla. What's next, asking the marketing team at Ford what they think about Nissan?
Except SNES/NES titles are in Virtual Console and not in WiiWare
[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"][QUOTE="ejstrup"]how come only the 360 elite support hdmi?
thrones
*Staring at my360 Pro w/HDMI port* I must have a magic 360 then.
You must :| Mine has no HDMI port.
Same here and mine was manufactured in October 2006.
[QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="Senor_Kami"][QUOTE="ejstrup"]how come only the 360 elite support hdmi?
Floppy_Jim
*Staring at my360 Pro w/HDMI port* I must have a magic 360 then.
You must :| Mine has no HDMI port.
Same here and mine was manufactured in October 2006.
Newer models have HDMI ports
[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]http://www.joystiq.com/2008/03/17/wiiware-dev-xbla-is-full-of-sh-t/Riverwolf007So the guys trying to make a buck selling nes/snes titles don't like the ****c arcade lineup on xbla. What's next, asking the marketing team at Ford what they think about Nissan?
i know you're not that dense.
"According to Develop Magazine, Nintendo is taking advantage of frustrations with Microsoft's service to entice developers over to WiiWare."
Its the reason that those devs are going to Wiiware. Not that their comments come from being with Wiiware, get it?
Again, it doesn't matter. I could show you 100 quotes from devs and you'd disagree. Why? Because its your opinion.
I have mine, you have yours. But the fact remains, XBLA has a lot of mediocre games. Comes with having such a large library. Same goes for PS2 and the general 360 library.
So the guys trying to make a buck selling nes/snes titles don't like the ****c arcade lineup on xbla. What's next, asking the marketing team at Ford what they think about Nissan?[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]http://www.joystiq.com/2008/03/17/wiiware-dev-xbla-is-full-of-sh-t/thrones
Except SNES/NES titles are in Virtual Console and not in WiiWare
My bad, let me change that then.So the guys trying to make a buck selling whatever Wiiware titles are don't like the guys making original games on xbla? What's next asking the guys at Ford what they think about Nissan?
[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]I'll answer your questions. :lol:
No, you can't get HD picture with composite cables. But you can get a picture and play. (that asnwers questions 1 and 2)
Yes, you can go online with the 360 right out of the box. If you have your TV setup next to your modem or have a real long ethernet cable (not provided). And if you want to actually GAME online, you need to pay $50. Wouldn't call that "right out of the box", would you?
And then, on your last question, in order to make your point, you had to specify the SKU. :lol:
Again, as I already admitted, this was a dumb move by Sony. But I can also see the double-edged sword they had to deal with on this subject unless they included three different cables (not happening anywhere). And I also see how miniscule this issue is on the grand scheme of things. You get so many features on EVERY PS3. Ones you have to pay well over $20 for or can't get at all.
GazzaB
You still cannot get HD from the PS3 without purchasing component or HDMI cables. Not other way to spin it dude.
You can get online with the 360 out of the box, it comes with an ethernet cables. Plus 3 months of free Xbox Live, so no, you dont need to pay $50.
I guess if Sony provided a HD cable for three months of use and then had the PS3 buyer return it, that would have been cool. :lol:Again, far all of you who have a hard time reading or just don't like reading the entire thread instead of just jumping in.
I admit, this is lame. Should have one of the two available HD cables included. PERIOD. But I feel this is such a small issue that I find it humorous that people even bring it up.
Oh, are you now talking about original titles? Didn't seem so when you made that little list back there.So the guys trying to make a buck selling whatever Wiiware titles are don't like the guys making original games on xbla? What's next asking the guys at Ford what they think about Nissan?
Riverwolf007
Anyway, I'm done. This is off-topic and heading nowhere.
[I guess if Sony provided a HD cable for three months of use and then had the PS3 buyer return it, that would have been cool. :lol:Again, far all of you who have a hard time reading or just don't like reading the entire thread instead of just jumping in.
I admit, this is lame. Should have one of the two available HD cables included. PERIOD. But I feel this is such a small issue that I find it humorous that people even bring it up.
The_Crucible
As long as you're not trying to defend sony's choice of not including HD cables, then i couldnt care less.
I hope you see the irony though, Sony went on and on about how their console is the true HD console, yet you cant even get a HD picture out of the box.
[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"][QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="Senor_Kami"][QUOTE="ejstrup"]how come only the 360 elite support hdmi?
GazzaB
*Staring at my360 Pro w/HDMI port* I must have a magic 360 then.
You must :| Mine has no HDMI port.
Same here and mine was manufactured in October 2006.
Newer models have HDMI ports
Oh, you mean the Falcon models? I need to send my RROD'd 360 in at some point- I'm hoping MS send me a newer Falcon model in return.
[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][I guess if Sony provided a HD cable for three months of use and then had the PS3 buyer return it, that would have been cool. :lol:Again, far all of you who have a hard time reading or just don't like reading the entire thread instead of just jumping in.
I admit, this is lame. Should have one of the two available HD cables included. PERIOD. But I feel this is such a small issue that I find it humorous that people even bring it up.
GazzaB
As long as you're not trying to defend sony's choice of not including HD cables, then i couldnt care less.
I hope you see the irony though, Sony went on and on about how their console is the true HD console, yet you cant even get a HD picture out of the box.
I defend it to a point. As I have already said here, they would piss someone off no matter what.Would have been best to just include components and screw SDTV owners without the port. They shouldn't have bought the system anyway. Or to include a dual cable like the 360 has. Lord knows Sony has connections with cable manufacturers.
But, so what?
[QUOTE="GazzaB"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"][I guess if Sony provided a HD cable for three months of use and then had the PS3 buyer return it, that would have been cool. :lol:Again, far all of you who have a hard time reading or just don't like reading the entire thread instead of just jumping in.
I admit, this is lame. Should have one of the two available HD cables included. PERIOD. But I feel this is such a small issue that I find it humorous that people even bring it up.
The_Crucible
As long as you're not trying to defend sony's choice of not including HD cables, then i couldnt care less.
I hope you see the irony though, Sony went on and on about how their console is the true HD console, yet you cant even get a HD picture out of the box.
I defend it to a point. As I have already said here, they would piss someone off no matter what.Would have been best to just include components and screw SDTV owners without the port. They shouldn't have bought the system anyway. Or to include a dual cable like the 360 has. Lord knows Sony has connections with cable manufacturers.
But, so what?
WAIT. So you basically agree with my original point, yet you felt compelled to start a ridiculous back and forth because you simply thought I was a PS3 basher? What you just said is all I have been trying to say thoughout this entire thread.This is proof at how some people just ignore the facts and let fanboyism blind them.[QUOTE="GazzaB"][QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"][QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="Senor_Kami"][QUOTE="ejstrup"]how come only the 360 elite support hdmi?
Floppy_Jim
*Staring at my360 Pro w/HDMI port* I must have a magic 360 then.
You must :| Mine has no HDMI port.
Same here and mine was manufactured in October 2006.
Newer models have HDMI ports
Oh, you mean the Falcon models? I need to send my RROD'd 360 in at some point- I'm hoping MS send me a newer Falcon model in return.
I had that once, I sent mine in and got a Falcon back. It broke again (DRE) so I sent it back in and it came back non-falcon'd :'(
[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]I defend it to a point. As I have already said here, they would piss someone off no matter what.WAIT. So you basically agree with my original point, yet you felt compelled to start a ridiculous back and forth because you simply thought I was a PS3 basher? What you just said is all I have been trying to say thoughout this entire thread.Would have been best to just include components and screw SDTV owners without the port. They shouldn't have bought the system anyway. Or to include a dual cable like the 360 has. Lord knows Sony has connections with cable manufacturers.
But, so what?
heretrix
What I just said is what i have said throughout this thread. I have already stated that it was not a good idea not to include the HD cable(s).
But I still contend, as I have the whole thread, that this is not a big issue. That I can see both sides of this. That there are much larger, much more expensive items missing from the majority of the 360's than there are on ANY PS3.
You want to get into some argument over corporate statements, I'm out. It's pointless seeing how all three console makers have made misstatements. All three of made promises they didn't meet. So, friggin, what?
Even if we were to get into that debate, this would be at the end of the list. Its such a minute, stupid thing to even worry about.
[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]I defend it to a point. As I have already said here, they would piss someone off no matter what.WAIT. So you basically agree with my original point, yet you felt compelled to start a ridiculous back and forth because you simply thought I was a PS3 basher? What you just said is all I have been trying to say thoughout this entire thread.Would have been best to just include components and screw SDTV owners without the port. They shouldn't have bought the system anyway. Or to include a dual cable like the 360 has. Lord knows Sony has connections with cable manufacturers.
But, so what?
The_Crucible
What I just said is what i have said throughout this thread. I have already stated that it was not a good idea not to include the HD cable(s).
But I still contend, as I have the whole thread, that this is not a big issue. That I can see both sides of this. That there are much larger, much more expensive items missing from the majority of the 360's than there are on ANY PS3.
You want to get into some argument over corporate statements, I'm out. It's pointless seeing how all three console makers have made misstatements. All three of made promises they didn't meet. So, friggin, what?
Even if we were to get into that debate, this would be at the end of the list. Its such a minute, stupid thing to even worry about.
It's nice that you decide to take the high road after you dug such a ditch for yourself.:|[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]I defend it to a point. As I have already said here, they would piss someone off no matter what.WAIT. So you basically agree with my original point, yet you felt compelled to start a ridiculous back and forth because you simply thought I was a PS3 basher? What you just said is all I have been trying to say thoughout this entire thread.Would have been best to just include components and screw SDTV owners without the port. They shouldn't have bought the system anyway. Or to include a dual cable like the 360 has. Lord knows Sony has connections with cable manufacturers.
But, so what?
heretrix
What I just said is what i have said throughout this thread. I have already stated that it was not a good idea not to include the HD cable(s).
But I still contend, as I have the whole thread, that this is not a big issue. That I can see both sides of this. That there are much larger, much more expensive items missing from the majority of the 360's than there are on ANY PS3.
You want to get into some argument over corporate statements, I'm out. It's pointless seeing how all three console makers have made misstatements. All three of made promises they didn't meet. So, friggin, what?
Even if we were to get into that debate, this would be at the end of the list. Its such a minute, stupid thing to even worry about.
It's nice that you decide to take the high road after you dug such a ditch for yourself.:| Read my very first post, homes. That is my real point.And the funny thing is, you agreed that someone was screwed either way.
I'm sorry, i will not agree that missing a cable somehow takes PS3 out of being what Sony stated, a "true HD" machine. HD games and HD movies are possible with the hardware provided in the console. Spend the extra $20 on HDMI or component, or use component from PS2.
Sony's statement still holds true. What other console gives you HD games and HD movies? PS3 is the only one that does in EVERY PS3 available. With or without the cable, the hardware is there.
How about this:
If a "true HD" console is defined by having the ability to show and play HD movies and games, which of thse two is further away?
A) A PS3 without an HD cable.
B) A 360 without blu-ray or HD-DVD.
Answer: B. A HD cable is only $20 or so and you can choose any maker you want. But you can't get blu-ray on the 360 and the HD-DVD add-on (when available) was nowhere near $20.
Nobody, certainly not me, ever said that. I said that it was dumb to pump up the PS3 as a true HD system and not include an HD cable with it, when it's closest competitor does. This has nothing to do with the systems capabilities. This has to do with Sony making a dumb decision.I'm sorry, i will not agree that missing a cable somehow takes PS3 out of being what Sony stated, a "true HD" machine. HD games and HD movies are possible with the hardware provided in the console. Spend the extra $20 on HDMI or component, or use component from PS2.
The_Crucible
If you don't even understand the argument, how in the could you ever be right? Your reading comprehension is TERRIBLE.
[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"][QUOTE="ejstrup"]how come only the 360 elite support hdmi?
thrones
*Staring at my360 Pro w/HDMI port* I must have a magic 360 then.
You must :| Mine has no HDMI port.
He just has a newer model. My old pro 360 didn't, but my new one does. I think it was after September of last year all of them have hdmi now.
Ok man. Amazon. I bought a brand new HDMI cable for $2.50Abstract_ChoasNo, no, no, you don't get it. And appearantly I don't either.
It doesn't matter that this is such a small, "who really cares" thing. All that matters is that Sony said that the PS3 is a "true HD" machine and that no HD cables come with the system Doesn't matter what other features you get for the money or that some aren't available anywhere else. Doesn't matter how much a cable actually costs. Doesn't matter that if they packed a component people would still complain about no HDMI cable. Doesn't matter that they gave you the HDMI port from day one on every console when you can't say that for any other console maker.
None of that matters, not in this thread, appearantly.
Have you all thought about that? Every PS3 comes with the HDMI port. I think that balances out missing cables. Can't go buy a new port.
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