PS3 is going to win this generation, and the developers seem to know it.

[QUOTE="Rhys555"][QUOTE="neogeo419"]

Actually the Xbox version of MGS2 was *improved*, as was the Gamecube version of MGS1. Try again.

Xerlaoth

MGS2 on Playstation = 9.6

MGS2 on xbox = 8.7

...:|?

MGS1 on playstation = 8.5

Twin snake on GC = 8.2

:lol:, so no you try again ;)

The lower scores were because they were remakes. If you want the best, most complete MGS1 experience, you play Twin Snakes. Same for the Xbox one.

I'm sorry, but do you have a clue what your talking about? twin snake had no supervision from kojima, and as a result snake ends up back-flipping off missiles, thats the diffintive version? :|

As for the xbox version of the MULTI-PLAT subsistense, it scored higher than the playstation version because us PS gamers had already beaten sons of liberty.

seriously...

So that's why the PS3 games are the same ones that were annouced last year or even 2 years ago... where as the Xbox 360 and Wii are actually getting games annouced for them on a regular basis?

[QUOTE="Rhys555"][QUOTE="-wii60-"][QUOTE="neogeo419"][QUOTE="Rhys555"][QUOTE="goodlay"]

Pretty much no good arguements here, just "Sony will win cuz I like em lulz"

Would anyone like to respond to my post?

goodlay

what about the fact that multple 3rd party devs are investing serious money in the PS3? because they don't see potential in it?

Its typical of you to see past the obvious typo and ignore the question.

And its typical of you that you have ignored 90% of the posts in this thread and have just responded to the off topic ones.

Thats because they don't answer my question. 'why does sony have so much 3rd party support if it going to fail' :|

[QUOTE="goodlay"][QUOTE="Rhys555"][QUOTE="-wii60-"]

"Monryin"? What kind of currency is that?Rhys555

Its typical of you to see past the obvious typo and ignore the question.

And its typical of you that you have ignored 90% of the posts in this thread and have just responded to the off topic ones.

Thats because they don't answer my question. 'why does sony have so much 3rd party support if it going to fail' :|

Please, 3rd party support doesn't equal quality, so if the PS3 has 100 third party games but none of them score above a 6.5 iit still means Sony will win?

Thats because they don't answer my question. 'why does sony have so much 3rd party support if it going to fail' :|

Rhys555

Thats because they don't answer my question. 'why does sony have so much 3rd party support if it going to fail' :|

[QUOTE="Rhys555"][QUOTE="-wii60-"][QUOTE="neogeo419"][QUOTE="Rhys555"][QUOTE="goodlay"]

Pretty much no good arguements here, just "Sony will win cuz I like em lulz"

Would anyone like to respond to my post?

Evo310whp

what about the fact that multple 3rd party devs are investing serious money in the PS3? because they don't see potential in it?

Its typical of you to see past the obvious typo and ignore the question.

Spelling money "monryin" isnt an obvious typo buddy thats acutally pretty dumb.

its meant to be 'money in', i hit the 'r' key instead of the 'e', and never hit the space bar hard enough to make a space. Going to answer my question now?

[QUOTE="goodlay"][QUOTE="Rhys555"][QUOTE="-wii60-"][QUOTE="neogeo419"][QUOTE="Rhys555"][QUOTE="goodlay"]

Pretty much no good arguements here, just "Sony will win cuz I like em lulz"

Would anyone like to respond to my post?

Rhys555

what about the fact that multple 3rd party devs are investing serious money in the PS3? because they don't see potential in it?

Its typical of you to see past the obvious typo and ignore the question.

And its typical of you that you have ignored 90% of the posts in this thread and have just responded to the off topic ones.

Thats because they don't answer my question. 'why does sony have so much 3rd party support if it going to fail' :|

Just because sony has lol"alot" of 3rd party support doesnt mean that the PS3 is going to win or be amazing for that matter. Most People are not going to wait 2,3,4, hell 5 years for a system to finally live up to its so called "potential. So the PS3 has support would you expect something different the other two consoles have alot of support too.

[QUOTE="Evo310whp"][QUOTE="Rhys555"][QUOTE="-wii60-"][QUOTE="neogeo419"][QUOTE="Rhys555"][QUOTE="goodlay"]

Pretty much no good arguements here, just "Sony will win cuz I like em lulz"

Would anyone like to respond to my post?

Rhys555

what about the fact that multple 3rd party devs are investing serious money in the PS3? because they don't see potential in it?

Its typical of you to see past the obvious typo and ignore the question.

Spelling money "monryin" isnt an obvious typo buddy thats acutally pretty dumb.

its meant to be 'money in', i hit the 'r' key instead of the 'e', and never hit the space bar hard enough to make a space. Going to answer my question now?

lol thanks for explaining that obvious typo to me. Seriously thank you. I have already gave my opinion on your question and so have other people. READ.

I'm sorry, but do you have a clue what your talking about? twin snake had no supervision from kojima, and as a result snake ends up back-flipping off missiles, thats the diffintive version? :|

As for the xbox version of the MULTI-PLAT subsistense, it scored higher than the playstation version because us PS gamers had already beaten sons of liberty.

seriously...

Rhys555

It had input from Kojima... Don't kid yourself into thinking that he didn't have any say at all... He wasn't incharge of the project that doesn't mean he didn't know about it or have any sort of say in it...

[QUOTE="Rhys555"]

-wii60-

Thats because they don't answer my question. 'why does sony have so much 3rd party support if it going to fail' :|

Like Metal gear solid 4, FF13 and versus 13? Uncharted? Rachet and clank? white knight story? tekken 6? projects from epic crytec and rockstar? :|

[QUOTE="-wii60-"][QUOTE="Rhys555"]

Rhys555

Thats because they don't answer my question. 'why does sony have so much 3rd party support if it going to fail' :|

Like Metal gear solid 4, FF13 and versus 13? Uncharted? Rachet and clank? white knight story? tekken 6? projects from epic crytec and rockstar? :|

[QUOTE="Rhys555"]

I'm sorry, but do you have a clue what your talking about? twin snake had no supervision from kojima, and as a result snake ends up back-flipping off missiles, thats the diffintive version? :|

As for the xbox version of the MULTI-PLAT subsistense, it scored higher than the playstation version because us PS gamers had already beaten sons of liberty.

seriously...

GundamGuy0

It had input from Kojima... Don't kid yourself into thinking that he didn't have any say at all... He wasn't incharge of the project that doesn't mean he didn't know about it or have any sort of say in it...

Kojima gave it the go ahead but never directed it. Which meant the cut-scenes where so over the top it was stupid, and your missing point, twin snake is not the diffintive version.

The Playstation 3...successor to the massive consoles, PS1 and 2, selling over 200 million units combined. In Playstation's history, Sony have received allot of 3rd party support from multiple company's such as Konami, Sqaure andRockstar. This is probably due to the earlier success when the company's chose to put their latest games on playstaion 1,due to reason such ashardware, in the case of final fantasy 7 for example, square supported Sony for the use of CD.

Fact of the matter is, Playstation has become the exclusive home of many 'system-seller' games, like final fantasy and metal gear solid. The Playstation 3 is no exception, with such exclusives. Anyway, the PS3 may be under pressure now, but it simply has to much support and potential to flop, keep in mind this system is likely to be around 6-10 years from now...

So, how can the developers see it? Well, your average current gen game can cost anywhere around 40 million pound to develop. And such company's like Square, Konami, Crytek, Rockstar, Epic, Insomniac, and Naughty dog simply wouldn't chose to put their 'eclusive projects' opn PS3 if they couldn't see money to be made from it, keep in mind they are a business. As a result, PS3 will build a fleet of system selling exclusive from trusted company's, we all know its killer 08 line-up.

Over its life span, PS3 will surely match the success of its predecessors with price-drops and exclusives. As for the competition, Microsoft already failed to create a good basis for the 360 with the medicore first xbox, only 30 million sales and mediocre first party support. The 360 seems a improvement on the first party support but it can't succeed in only America. As for the wii, lets face it, its a secondary console. people will soon have top buy another console to another console for a true current gen experience, not only that but6 its hardware is already outdated, this is really going to put people off in the next 3 years. I can't see wii living past 2010 as the system leader...

Discuss :D

Rhys555

1. Support from 3rd party devs is there but it's A HELL of alot more spread out this gen.. Look at the facts..

Square Enix developing for the 360 = FF XI, Last Reminant, Infinate Undiscovery.

Capcom showing more XB support = Dead Rising, Lost Planet, DMC 4 and RE5 (That alone is a HUGE statement)

Sega bringing it's 1 hit game over to the 360 = VF5 w/Online

Others include Ace Combat 6(a once PS brand exclusive)

ANd that's just from the land of the Rising Sun. Yea sure the PS3 has MGS4 and FFXIII ect.. but some of these once PS exclusive companies are bringing there franchises over to the 360/wii.

I won't even get into western support because they both are pretty much even..

• So now the PS brand doesn't have the software advantage.

2. Price point and sales.. The PS3 retails for $500-600 and is sitting at around 5 million. The 360 retails for $279-450 and is sitting at around 10-11 million. The 360 continues to outsell the PS3 in the US and the PS3 outsells the 360 in Japan. That pulls them about even with sales (excluding Europe). But because the 360 came out first, it already has the userbase advantage. And with the PS3's high price point.. the 360 has the price advantage..

• SO now the PS brand doesn't have the price/userbase advantage.

That's two keys sections that help the PS/PS2 dominate the last couple of years and they no longer own it.. The only way for the PS3 to secure the lead again is to drop the price of the system to about $299 (perhaps sometime next year *crosses fingers*) and get those 3rd party companies from jumping ship (or sharing their ship) with M$.

[QUOTE="Rhys555"][QUOTE="-wii60-"][QUOTE="Rhys555"]

-wii60-

Thats because they don't answer my question. 'why does sony have so much 3rd party support if it going to fail' :|

Like Metal gear solid 4, FF13 and versus 13? Uncharted? Rachet and clank? white knight story? tekken 6? projects from epic crytec and rockstar? :|

Not rumours ;). Epic is produing a sony exclusive game due to there partnership with sony, crytek have a 'PS3 team' in the offices and rockstar has confirmed another exclusive is in the works apart form LA nboire ;)

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="Rhys555"]

I'm sorry, but do you have a clue what your talking about? twin snake had no supervision from kojima, and as a result snake ends up back-flipping off missiles, thats the diffintive version? :|

As for the xbox version of the MULTI-PLAT subsistense, it scored higher than the playstation version because us PS gamers had already beaten sons of liberty.

seriously...

Rhys555

It had input from Kojima... Don't kid yourself into thinking that he didn't have any say at all... He wasn't incharge of the project that doesn't mean he didn't know about it or have any sort of say in it...

Kojima gave it the go ahead but never directed it. Which meant the cut-scenes where so over the top it was stupid, and your missing point, twin snake is not the diffintive version.

So you think he would let his master piece be released with out at least a stamp of approval, or an advanced screaning... Man hideo would have to be stupid then. Like "go ahead make it however you want and I don't want to know what you did before you release it..."

Also MGS is over the top... MGS2 is over the top, MGS3 is over the top... MGS4 is over the top... What were so over the top about the Twin Snakes Cut sceens again? They all have there over the top crazy moments...

Not rumours ;). Epic is produing a sony exclusive game due to there partnership with sony, crytek have a 'PS3 team' in the offices and rockstar has confirmed another exclusive is in the works apart form LA nboire ;)

Rhys555

I'm sorry, but do you have a clue what your talking about? twin snake had no supervision from kojima, and as a result snake ends up back-flipping off missiles, thats the diffintive version? :|

As for the xbox version of the MULTI-PLAT subsistense, it scored higher than the playstation version because us PS gamers had already beaten sons of liberty.

seriously...

Rhys555

vamp walks on water so whats your point?

i didnt find anything bad with twin snake. they added some extra cool scenes like where gray fox fought snake after the ocelot battle. twin snake was basically updated graphics and using the mgs2 gameplay.

Sigh* PS1 and PS2's success stories dont mean anything if the PS3 doesnt have the dev support they did, which is doesnt atm.

P.S: I'm guessing that because you've used pounds as an example in your post that you're probably English?, if so then good god man its YOUR language so you have no excuse to butcher it like you did. :roll:

[QUOTE="Rhys555"]

The Playstation 3...successor to the massive consoles, PS1 and 2, selling over 200 million units combined. In Playstation's history, Sony have received allot of 3rd party support from multiple company's such as Konami, Sqaure andRockstar. This is probably due to the earlier success when the company's chose to put their latest games on playstaion 1,due to reason such ashardware, in the case of final fantasy 7 for example, square supported Sony for the use of CD.

Fact of the matter is, Playstation has become the exclusive home of many 'system-seller' games, like final fantasy and metal gear solid. The Playstation 3 is no exception, with such exclusives. Anyway, the PS3 may be under pressure now, but it simply has to much support and potential to flop, keep in mind this system is likely to be around 6-10 years from now...

So, how can the developers see it? Well, your average current gen game can cost anywhere around 40 million pound to develop. And such company's like Square, Konami, Crytek, Rockstar, Epic, Insomniac, and Naughty dog simply wouldn't chose to put their 'eclusive projects' opn PS3 if they couldn't see money to be made from it, keep in mind they are a business. As a result, PS3 will build a fleet of system selling exclusive from trusted company's, we all know its killer 08 line-up.

Over its life span, PS3 will surely match the success of its predecessors with price-drops and exclusives. As for the competition, Microsoft already failed to create a good basis for the 360 with the medicore first xbox, only 30 million sales and mediocre first party support. The 360 seems a improvement on the first party support but it can't succeed in only America. As for the wii, lets face it, its a secondary console. people will soon have top buy another console to another console for a true current gen experience, not only that but6 its hardware is already outdated, this is really going to put people off in the next 3 years. I can't see wii living past 2010 as the system leader...

Discuss :D

OhSnapitz

1. Support from 3rd party devs is there but it's A HELL of alot more spread out this gen.. Look at the facts..

Square Enix developing for the 360 = FF XI, Last Reminant, Infinate Undiscovery. compared to Final fantasy 13and kingdom hearts 3 exclusively on playstation

Capcom showing more XB support = Dead Rising, Lost Planet, DMC 4 and RE5 (That alone is a HUGE statement) Multi-plats..and no dead rising 2 apprently :lol:

Sega bringing it's 1 hit game over to the 360 = VF5 w/Online Apoximatley a year after the PS3 version...

Others include Ace Combat 6(a once PS brand exclusive) multi-plat probably because there aren't enough PS gamers that want it :lol:

ANd that's just from the land of the Rising Sun. Yea sure the PS3 has MGS4 and FFXIII ect.. but some of these once PS exclusive companies are bringing there franchises over to the 360/wii.

I won't even get into western support because they both are pretty much even..

• So now the PS brand doesn't have the software advantage.

2. Price point and sales.. The PS3 retails for $500-600 and is sitting at around 5 million. The 360 retails for $279-450 and is sitting at around 10-11 million. The 360 continues to outsell the PS3 in the US and the PS3 outsells the 360 in Japan. That pulls them about even with sales (excluding Europe). But because the 360 came out first, it already has the userbase advantage. And with the PS3's high price point.. the 360 has the price advantage..

• SO now the PS brand doesn't have the price/userbase advantage. Keep in mind playstation consels tend to have a much longer lifespan than the competition, companys will take this into account and lee a large profit to be made in the long run

That's two keys sections that help the PS/PS2 dominate the last couple of years and they no longer own it.. The only way for the PS3 to secure the lead again is to drop the price of the system to about $299 (perhaps sometime next year *crosses fingers*) and get those 3rd party companies from jumping ship (or sharing their ship) with M$.

This gen is going to be closer i will admit that, simply because iof the enormous production cost. But Sony still seems to have the edge.

[QUOTE="Rhys555"]

Not rumours ;). Epic is produing a sony exclusive game due to there partnership with sony, crytek have a 'PS3 team' in the offices and rockstar has confirmed another exclusive is in the works apart form LA nboire ;)

-wii60-

Touche, enjoy far cry vengence :lol:

Touche, enjoy far cry vengence :lol:

Rhys555

Crytek didn't make Far Cry Vengeance... :?

[QUOTE="Rhys555"]

1st party support from multiple company's such as Konami, Sqaure andRockstar. Tr' games, like final fantasy and metal gear solid.

Xerlaoth

Invalidated. Move along.

:lol:

seriously, this thread lost all its credibility right there. TC is a n00b and doesn't even know the difference between a 1st and 3rd party dev.

that aside, there's way too much fanboyism and bias in his post for it to be taken seriously.

[QUOTE="Rhys555"]

I'm sorry, but do you have a clue what your talking about? twin snake had no supervision from kojima, and as a result snake ends up back-flipping off missiles, thats the diffintive version? :|

As for the xbox version of the MULTI-PLAT subsistense, it scored higher than the playstation version because us PS gamers had already beaten sons of liberty.

seriously...

istreakforfood

vamp walks on water so whats your point?

i didnt find anything bad with twin snake. they added some extra cool scenes like where gray fox fought snake after the ocelot battle. twin snake was basically updated graphics and using the mgs2 gameplay.

Post was too big to quote, but there has been no announcement of KH3 for the PS3.

There is DS, a PSP, and a phone version coming, though.

Can't we all just get along? LOL

I love Sony and I really wanted to buy a PS3. But I wanted to play great games, not sit around waiting, and I wanted to give the Xbox 360 a fair chance and hope it doesn't blow up in my face. I might still get a PS3, but maybe 5 years from now after it is well established.

Anyway, all consoles have been successful in one way or another--so it's pointless to bicker about which one will win this gen.

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="Rhys555"]

The Playstation 3...successor to the massive consoles, PS1 and 2, selling over 200 million units combined. In Playstation's history, Sony have received allot of 3rd party support from multiple company's such as Konami, Sqaure andRockstar. This is probably due to the earlier success when the company's chose to put their latest games on playstaion 1,due to reason such ashardware, in the case of final fantasy 7 for example, square supported Sony for the use of CD.

Fact of the matter is, Playstation has become the exclusive home of many 'system-seller' games, like final fantasy and metal gear solid. The Playstation 3 is no exception, with such exclusives. Anyway, the PS3 may be under pressure now, but it simply has to much support and potential to flop, keep in mind this system is likely to be around 6-10 years from now...

So, how can the developers see it? Well, your average current gen game can cost anywhere around 40 million pound to develop. And such company's like Square, Konami, Crytek, Rockstar, Epic, Insomniac, and Naughty dog simply wouldn't chose to put their 'eclusive projects' opn PS3 if they couldn't see money to be made from it, keep in mind they are a business. As a result, PS3 will build a fleet of system selling exclusive from trusted company's, we all know its killer 08 line-up.

Over its life span, PS3 will surely match the success of its predecessors with price-drops and exclusives. As for the competition, Microsoft already failed to create a good basis for the 360 with the medicore first xbox, only 30 million sales and mediocre first party support. The 360 seems a improvement on the first party support but it can't succeed in only America. As for the wii, lets face it, its a secondary console. people will soon have top buy another console to another console for a true current gen experience, not only that but6 its hardware is already outdated, this is really going to put people off in the next 3 years. I can't see wii living past 2010 as the system leader...

Discuss :D

Rhys555

1. Support from 3rd party devs is there but it's A HELL of alot more spread out this gen.. Look at the facts..

Square Enix developing for the 360 = FF XI, Last Reminant, Infinate Undiscovery. compared to Final fantasy 13and kingdom hearts 3 exclusively on playstation

Capcom showing more XB support = Dead Rising, Lost Planet, DMC 4 and RE5 (That alone is a HUGE statement) Multi-plats..and no dead rising 2 apprently :lol:

Sega bringing it's 1 hit game over to the 360 = VF5 w/Online Apoximatley a year after the PS3 version...

Others include Ace Combat 6(a once PS brand exclusive) multi-plat probably because there aren't enough PS gamers that want it :lol:

ANd that's just from the land of the Rising Sun. Yea sure the PS3 has MGS4 and FFXIII ect.. but some of these once PS exclusive companies are bringing there franchises over to the 360/wii.

I won't even get into western support because they both are pretty much even..

• So now the PS brand doesn't have the software advantage.

2. Price point and sales.. The PS3 retails for $500-600 and is sitting at around 5 million. The 360 retails for $279-450 and is sitting at around 10-11 million. The 360 continues to outsell the PS3 in the US and the PS3 outsells the 360 in Japan. That pulls them about even with sales (excluding Europe). But because the 360 came out first, it already has the userbase advantage. And with the PS3's high price point.. the 360 has the price advantage..

• SO now the PS brand doesn't have the price/userbase advantage. Keep in mind playstation consels tend to have a much longer lifespan than the competition, companys will take this into account and lee a large profit to be made in the long run

That's two keys sections that help the PS/PS2 dominate the last couple of years and they no longer own it.. The only way for the PS3 to secure the lead again is to drop the price of the system to about $299 (perhaps sometime next year *crosses fingers*) and get those 3rd party companies from jumping ship (or sharing their ship) with M$.

This gen is going to be closer i will admit that, simply because iof the enormous production cost. But Sony still seems to have the edge.

Are you just trying to increase your post count or something. Sony still has the edge in what way like seriously. The Wii and 360 are getting games, new IPs and just as much if not more support than the PS3. Both the 360 and Wii seem to appeal more to the public than the PS3 does atleast in my opinion. I dont see what the PS3 has the edge in or Sony for that matter. The other two, MS and Nintendo have done a very good job this gen winning support and making their games and system more appealing than the PS3.

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="Rhys555"]

The Playstation 3...successor to the massive consoles, PS1 and 2, selling over 200 million units combined. In Playstation's history, Sony have received allot of 3rd party support from multiple company's such as Konami, Sqaure andRockstar. This is probably due to the earlier success when the company's chose to put their latest games on playstaion 1,due to reason such ashardware, in the case of final fantasy 7 for example, square supported Sony for the use of CD.

Fact of the matter is, Playstation has become the exclusive home of many 'system-seller' games, like final fantasy and metal gear solid. The Playstation 3 is no exception, with such exclusives. Anyway, the PS3 may be under pressure now, but it simply has to much support and potential to flop, keep in mind this system is likely to be around 6-10 years from now...

So, how can the developers see it? Well, your average current gen game can cost anywhere around 40 million pound to develop. And such company's like Square, Konami, Crytek, Rockstar, Epic, Insomniac, and Naughty dog simply wouldn't chose to put their 'eclusive projects' opn PS3 if they couldn't see money to be made from it, keep in mind they are a business. As a result, PS3 will build a fleet of system selling exclusive from trusted company's, we all know its killer 08 line-up.

Over its life span, PS3 will surely match the success of its predecessors with price-drops and exclusives. As for the competition, Microsoft already failed to create a good basis for the 360 with the medicore first xbox, only 30 million sales and mediocre first party support. The 360 seems a improvement on the first party support but it can't succeed in only America. As for the wii, lets face it, its a secondary console. people will soon have top buy another console to another console for a true current gen experience, not only that but6 its hardware is already outdated, this is really going to put people off in the next 3 years. I can't see wii living past 2010 as the system leader...

Discuss :D

Rhys555

1. Support from 3rd party devs is there but it's A HELL of alot more spread out this gen.. Look at the facts..

Square Enix developing for the 360 = FF XI, Last Reminant, Infinate Undiscovery. compared to Final fantasy 13and kingdom hearts 3 exclusively on playstation

Isn't KH3 a moble game? :|

Capcom showing more XB support = Dead Rising, Lost Planet, DMC 4 and RE5 (That alone is a HUGE statement) Multi-plats..and no dead rising 2 apprently :lol:

Uh.. DUh!! That was the whole point in listing em. DMC and RE have NEVER graced a XB console and yet Capcom seems confindent enough to release two of it's biggest franchises on the 360.. That's not a statement?!?!?!

Sega bringing it's 1 hit game over to the 360 = VF5 w/Online Apoximatley a year after the PS3 version...

You're still not getting it.. VF is a BIG thing in japan (or atleast that's what I've heard). And the series has never been on ANYTHING but Sega and PS system's. Sega feels confindent enough in the 360 to release it's #1 title on the system. That's not a statement?!?!?!

Others include Ace Combat 6(a once PS brand exclusive) multi-plat probably because there aren't enough PS gamers that want it :lol:

You're still tapdancing around the truth. These companies are releasing games for the 360 and wii that once were PS Brand exclusives. This isn't last gen or the gen before it... It's by time the cows realize this.

ANd that's just from the land of the Rising Sun. Yea sure the PS3 has MGS4 and FFXIII ect.. but some of these once PS exclusive companies are bringing there franchises over to the 360/wii.

I won't even get into western support because they both are pretty much even..

• So now the PS brand doesn't have the software advantage.

2. Price point and sales.. The PS3 retails for $500-600 and is sitting at around 5 million. The 360 retails for $279-450 and is sitting at around 10-11 million. The 360 continues to outsell the PS3 in the US and the PS3 outsells the 360 in Japan. That pulls them about even with sales (excluding Europe). But because the 360 came out first, it already has the userbase advantage. And with the PS3's high price point.. the 360 has the price advantage..

• SO now the PS brand doesn't have the price/userbase advantage. Keep in mind playstation consels tend to have a much longer lifespan than the competition, companys will take this into account and lee a large profit to be made in the long run

That's two keys sections that help the PS/PS2 dominate the last couple of years and they no longer own it.. The only way for the PS3 to secure the lead again is to drop the price of the system to about $299 (perhaps sometime next year *crosses fingers*) and get those 3rd party companies from jumping ship (or sharing their ship) with M$.

This gen is going to be closer i will admit that, simply because iof the enormous production cost. But Sony still seems to have the edge.

Sony has no edge this gen.. The wii is scooping up all the casuals and non-gamers while the 360 scoops up the hardcore... The only thing the PS3 is securing is gamers with big wallets who want the next "big thing" with bluray. If I'm lying the PS3 would've surpassed the 360/wii by now.

Crytek? :lol: they haven't announce any game for ps3 keep dreaming.-wii60-

Um yes they have Cevat said they will offically annouce it in Janury where have you been undera rock?

[QUOTE="-wii60-"][QUOTE="Rhys555"]

Not rumours ;). Epic is produing a sony exclusive game due to there partnership with sony, crytek have a 'PS3 team' in the offices and rockstar has confirmed another exclusive is in the works apart form LA nboire ;)

Rhys555

Touche, enjoy far cry vengence :lol:

[QUOTE="-wii60-"]Crytek? :lol: they haven't announce any game for ps3 keep dreaming.Polaris_choice

Um yes they have Cevat said they will offically annouce it in Janury where have you been undera rock?

Naughty Dog = Sony. Sony aquired them a while back.

I dont have the time to point out all the fallacies in your post, but I will point out one thing...

Square Enix has more titles in development for Nintendo than Sony...a LOT more. At least you tried to sound wise.

gromit007

[QUOTE="Polaris_choice"]

[QUOTE="-wii60-"]Crytek? :lol: they haven't announce any game for ps3 keep dreaming.-wii60-

Um yes they have Cevat said they will offically annouce it in Janury where have you been undera rock?

^ Ya. He never said anything. He said he will work on consoles after he is done with the PC . + Crysis will be a trilogy.

I dont have the time to point out all the fallacies in your post, but I will point out one thing...

Square Enix has more titles in development for Nintendo than Sony...a LOT more. At least you tried to sound wise.

gromit007

PSP gets Crisis Core and PS3 gets FFXIII and Versus while the Nintendo consoles get cheap cash-ins and no heavy investments. The FF franchise continues on the PS3.

Having terrible sales near the beginning of its life isn't a good sign. And I don't want to hear the ps2 was the same way bullcrap because ps2 had no competition for the entire year, which gave it time to build a big user base. Ps3 launch is actually a lot like how the xbox and gcn came into the war. Whats sad about the ps3 is, that it comes out a year after the 360 and does nothing different than a system that is one year old. Sure on paper its more powerful but if devs can't figure how to use it nor take the time to do it, then its useless.

I forsee the ps3 doing ok in japan, but poor everywhere else. Its the Sega Saturn of this generation whether the cows want to admit that or not. It will only receive ports from the 360 and exclusive games that are for the ps3 more than likely will find its way to the 360 in time. Ps3 is the result of the ghost of Sega hunting Sony.

Having terrible sales near the beginning of its life isn't a good sign. And I don't want to hear the ps2 was the same way bullcrap because ps2 had no competition for the entire year, which gave it time to build a big user base. Ps3 launch is totally and actually a lot like how the xbox and gcn came into the war. Whats sad about the ps3 is, that it comes out a year after the 360 and does nothing different than a system that is one year old. Sure on paper its more powerful but if devs can figure how to use it nor take the time to do it, then its useless.

I forsee the ps3 doing ok in japan, but poor everywhere else. Its the Sega Saturn of this generation whether the cows want to admit that or not. It will only receive ports from the 360 and exclusive games that are for the ps3 more than likely will find its way to the 360 in time. Ps3 is the result of the ghost of Sega hunting Sony.

Ramadear

I disagree. Sega didn't know how to make consoles. DC was 1 year before PS2 and it still lost. Come back in 3 years and then we could discuss the PS3's succes rate.

Having terrible sales near the beginning of its life isn't a good sign. And I don't want to hear the ps2 was the same way bullcrap because ps2 had no competition for the entire year, which gave it time to build a big user base. Ps3 launch is actually a lot like how the xbox and gcn came into the war. Whats sad about the ps3 is, that it comes out a year after the 360 and does nothing different than a system that is one year old. Sure on paper its more powerful but if devs can't figure how to use it nor take the time to do it, then its useless.

I forsee the ps3 doing ok in japan, but poor everywhere else. Its the Sega Saturn of this generation whether the cows want to admit that or not. It will only receive ports from the 360 and exclusive games that are for the ps3 more than likely will find its way to the 360 in time. Ps3 is the result of the ghost of Sega hunting Sony.

Ramadear

[QUOTE="Ramadear"]

Having terrible sales near the beginning of its life isn't a good sign. And I don't want to hear the ps2 was the same way bullcrap because ps2 had no competition for the entire year, which gave it time to build a big user base. Ps3 launch is totally and actually a lot like how the xbox and gcn came into the war. Whats sad about the ps3 is, that it comes out a year after the 360 and does nothing different than a system that is one year old. Sure on paper its more powerful but if devs can figure how to use it nor take the time to do it, then its useless.

I forsee the ps3 doing ok in japan, but poor everywhere else. Its the Sega Saturn of this generation whether the cows want to admit that or not. It will only receive ports from the 360 and exclusive games that are for the ps3 more than likely will find its way to the 360 in time. Ps3 is the result of the ghost of Sega hunting Sony.

azad_champ

I disagree. Sega didn't know how to make consoles. DC was 1 year before PS2 and it still lost. Come back in 3 years and then we could discuss the PS3's succes rate.

LOL "come back in 3 years" wow. Cows are great.

[QUOTE="Ramadear"]

Having terrible sales near the beginning of its life isn't a good sign. And I don't want to hear the ps2 was the same way bullcrap because ps2 had no competition for the entire year, which gave it time to build a big user base. Ps3 launch is totally and actually a lot like how the xbox and gcn came into the war. Whats sad about the ps3 is, that it comes out a year after the 360 and does nothing different than a system that is one year old. Sure on paper its more powerful but if devs can figure how to use it nor take the time to do it, then its useless.

I forsee the ps3 doing ok in japan, but poor everywhere else. Its the Sega Saturn of this generation whether the cows want to admit that or not. It will only receive ports from the 360 and exclusive games that are for the ps3 more than likely will find its way to the 360 in time. Ps3 is the result of the ghost of Sega hunting Sony.

azad_champ

I disagree. Sega didn't know how to make consoles. DC was 1 year before PS2 and it still lost. Come back in 3 years and then we could discuss the PS3's succes rate.

Dreamcast was dying/dead before the ps2 pickup momentum. If your saying wait three years to talk about ps3 success rate, then thats silly. I suppose in your world that the Wii and 360 magically stop selling and making games? Imagine the amount of users and library of games the 360 and Wii will have in 3 years. Looking at that, the PS3 is still slated for a loss.

Having terrible sales near the beginning of its life isn't a good sign. And I don't want to hear the ps2 was the same way bullcrap because ps2 had no competition for the entire year, which gave it time to build a big user base. Ps3 launch is totally and actually a lot like how the xbox and gcn came into the war. Whats sad about the ps3 is, that it comes out a year after the 360 and does nothing different than a system that is one year old. Sure on paper its more powerful but if devs can figure how to use it nor take the time to do it, then its useless.

I forsee the ps3 doing ok in japan, but poor everywhere else. Its the Sega Saturn of this generation whether the cows want to admit that or not. It will only receive ports from the 360 and exclusive games that are for the ps3 more than likely will find its way to the 360 in time. Ps3 is the result of the ghost of Sega hunting Sony.

Ramadear

BS The PS2 had competition from the Dreamcast. And the Dreamcast was already about 9-10 million by the time Ps2 arrived. Go check your facts buddy.

Ghost of Sega? lol what are you, a jealous fanboy? While I'm playing some of the best games on any console, you're sitting here whinning about the possibilities of sales. We all know things can change quickly. Nothing will be evident until 2008 rolls around. And if PS3 doesn't sell out the other two? OMFG it must not have any good games right? I mean hell Gamecube and xbox, those never had any good games, no system sellers for those, nope.

lol Also it was Sega's own fault over MANY MANY systems that they failed, want me to name them all?

Nomad

Game Gear

Sega CD/32x

Sega Saturn

Sega Neptune (cancelled)

Dreamcast

And you're trying to tell me that Sony will suddenly drop off the face of the planet because they have one system that doesn't outsell the wii-wii? HAHA. Keep dreaming, and huge your blue hedgehogs.

The war has only begun buddy.

[QUOTE="Ramadear"]

Having terrible sales near the beginning of its life isn't a good sign. And I don't want to hear the ps2 was the same way bullcrap because ps2 had no competition for the entire year, which gave it time to build a big user base. Ps3 launch is actually a lot like how the xbox and gcn came into the war. Whats sad about the ps3 is, that it comes out a year after the 360 and does nothing different than a system that is one year old. Sure on paper its more powerful but if devs can't figure how to use it nor take the time to do it, then its useless.

I forsee the ps3 doing ok in japan, but poor everywhere else. Its the Sega Saturn of this generation whether the cows want to admit that or not. It will only receive ports from the 360 and exclusive games that are for the ps3 more than likely will find its way to the 360 in time. Ps3 is the result of the ghost of Sega hunting Sony.

springz300

Thats why I called it the Sega Saturn of this generation. Does poorly everywhere else but does well in Japan.

Having terrible sales near the beginning of its life isn't a good sign. And I don't want to hear the ps2 was the same way bullcrap because ps2 had no competition for the entire year, which gave it time to build a big user base. Ps3 launch is actually a lot like how the xbox and gcn came into the war. Whats sad about the ps3 is, that it comes out a year after the 360 and does nothing different than a system that is one year old. Sure on paper its more powerful but if devs can't figure how to use it nor take the time to do it, then its useless.

I forsee the ps3 doing ok in japan, but poor everywhere else. Its the Sega Saturn of this generation whether the cows want to admit that or not. It will only receive ports from the 360 and exclusive games that are for the ps3 more than likely will find its way to the 360 in time. Ps3 is the result of the ghost of Sega hunting Sony.

Ramadear

wasn't 360 released on it's own for a year and so far it only sold 8.9 mil??

i could understand the PS3 sold only 4.8 mil in 10 months cuz of the competition but still, 4.8 mil in just 10 months with 360 and Wii at the same sale time is pretty impressive.

the 360 being passed by the Wii which has only been out less than a year is just terrible....

the PS3 might not win this console war but i'm sure heck the 360 won't..

the Wii might win this with a little higher than the PS3 and as for the 360, after your Halo 3, you're gone..

[QUOTE="azad_champ"][QUOTE="Ramadear"]

Having terrible sales near the beginning of its life isn't a good sign. And I don't want to hear the ps2 was the same way bullcrap because ps2 had no competition for the entire year, which gave it time to build a big user base. Ps3 launch is totally and actually a lot like how the xbox and gcn came into the war. Whats sad about the ps3 is, that it comes out a year after the 360 and does nothing different than a system that is one year old. Sure on paper its more powerful but if devs can figure how to use it nor take the time to do it, then its useless.

I forsee the ps3 doing ok in japan, but poor everywhere else. Its the Sega Saturn of this generation whether the cows want to admit that or not. It will only receive ports from the 360 and exclusive games that are for the ps3 more than likely will find its way to the 360 in time. Ps3 is the result of the ghost of Sega hunting Sony.

Evo310whp

I disagree. Sega didn't know how to make consoles. DC was 1 year before PS2 and it still lost. Come back in 3 years and then we could discuss the PS3's succes rate.

LOL "come back in 3 years" wow. Cows are great.

Calling people stupid for a typo is great too. What I'm trying to say that a console war can't be decided on the first year. If that's the case N64 would have wonover PSX. It's unfair to say that the PS3 is a flop when the price haven't had a chance to reach mainstream yet and no killer-apps have been released yet.

[QUOTE="springz300"][QUOTE="Ramadear"]

Having terrible sales near the beginning of its life isn't a good sign. And I don't want to hear the ps2 was the same way bullcrap because ps2 had no competition for the entire year, which gave it time to build a big user base. Ps3 launch is actually a lot like how the xbox and gcn came into the war. Whats sad about the ps3 is, that it comes out a year after the 360 and does nothing different than a system that is one year old. Sure on paper its more powerful but if devs can't figure how to use it nor take the time to do it, then its useless.

I forsee the ps3 doing ok in japan, but poor everywhere else. Its the Sega Saturn of this generation whether the cows want to admit that or not. It will only receive ports from the 360 and exclusive games that are for the ps3 more than likely will find its way to the 360 in time. Ps3 is the result of the ghost of Sega hunting Sony.

Ramadear

Thats why I called it the Sega Saturn of this generation. Does poorly everywhere else but does well in Japan.

[QUOTE="Ramadear"]

Having terrible sales near the beginning of its life isn't a good sign. And I don't want to hear the ps2 was the same way bullcrap because ps2 had no competition for the entire year, which gave it time to build a big user base. Ps3 launch is actually a lot like how the xbox and gcn came into the war. Whats sad about the ps3 is, that it comes out a year after the 360 and does nothing different than a system that is one year old. Sure on paper its more powerful but if devs can't figure how to use it nor take the time to do it, then its useless.

I forsee the ps3 doing ok in japan, but poor everywhere else. Its the Sega Saturn of this generation whether the cows want to admit that or not. It will only receive ports from the 360 and exclusive games that are for the ps3 more than likely will find its way to the 360 in time. Ps3 is the result of the ghost of Sega hunting Sony.

springz300

And what will happen if the PS3 doesnt win and doesnt own anyone what then? Are you guys going to extend the timetable for success to 4,5,6 years. You guys need to live in the present and stop dreaming of this amazing PS3 future.