PS3: It only loses another feature

*Hugs his BC composite capable 60GB PS3*

Am I the only one who sees a huge flaw in this arguement? The TC assumes that someone will buy a PS3despite not having the proper set up to play it. This would be like buying a gun but no bullets and complaing that the gun seller removed blunderbuss support.

umm I thought you couldn't get HD through component cables anywayKevinButlerVP

[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"]umm I thought you couldn't get HD through component cables anywayUSBxDVD

The only ones losing a 'feature' are those with severely out-dated television sets. The PS3 itself is not losing anything. Hell, you can buy an HDTV with multiple HDMI ports for incredibly cheap these days. Why not do yourself a favor and upgrade?

If you have an older HDTV that pre-dates HDMI ..... you should upgrade your TV. Nonstop-Madness

It would cost ~$1800+ to replace my 56" DLP HDTV (which is component-only, save for one luckily HDCP-friendly DVI input) with a comparable LCD/Plasma model. Not exactly something I'm in a hurry to do.

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

According to this report from Kotaku, the upcoming K series of PS3s (apparently shipping to retailers this week) and all future models will require an HDMI connection for HD, meaning it will no longer support HD over component cables.

The reasoning? There's no official word from Sony as of yet, but the only significant difference between a component and HDMI connection is that component doesn't support the (hopelessly broken) HDCP DRM scheme, which allows for greater publisher control over how an image is used (namely, combating recording/duplication), and retailers like GameStop can't be too broken up over the opportunity to sell more $60+ HDMI cables.

The losers, naturally, are good ol' consumers who either a) don't have enough HDMI connections for all their devices or b) have an older HDTV that pre-dates HDMI. As someone who falls into the latter category, the only solution I know of (short of buying a new TV) is to pray your TV has a DVI cable that plays nice with HDMI and HDCP so you can use an HDMI-to-DVI cable/adaptor. For those in the former, well, hopefully you can do some connection shuffling without having to spend too much on new cables.

Otherwise, congrats! The console you likely bought because of all its fantastical HD features is now limited to the same resolution as the Wii! All because, well, frankly I can't think of a good reason for continuing to use HDCP, nevermind making it a requirement.

Fortunately for current owners, Sony has said they have no plans to update previous PS3 models with this requirement (although where have I heard that one before...).

verbtex

I got an HDMI cable for like $20 at a local store, and they were well worth it. All you have to do is know where to look.

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

According to this report from Kotaku, the upcoming K series of PS3s (apparently shipping to retailers this week) and all future models will require an HDMI connection for HD, meaning it will no longer support HD over component cables.

The reasoning? There's no official word from Sony as of yet, but the only significant difference between a component and HDMI connection is that component doesn't support the (hopelessly broken) HDCP DRM scheme, which allows for greater publisher control over how an image is used (namely, combating recording/duplication), and retailers like GameStop can't be too broken up over the opportunity to sell more $60+ HDMI cables.

The losers, naturally, are good ol' consumers who either a) don't have enough HDMI connections for all their devices or b) have an older HDTV that pre-dates HDMI. As someone who falls into the latter category, the only solution I know of (short of buying a new TV) is to pray your TV has a DVI cable that plays nice with HDMI and HDCP so you can use an HDMI-to-DVI cable/adaptor. For those in the former, well, hopefully you can do some connection shuffling without having to spend too much on new cables.

Otherwise, congrats! The console you likely bought because of all its fantastical HD features is now limited to the same resolution as the Wii! All because, well, frankly I can't think of a good reason for continuing to use HDCP, nevermind making it a requirement.

Fortunately for current owners, Sony has said they have no plans to update previous PS3 models with this requirement (although where have I heard that one before...).

verbtex

I got an HDMI cable for like $20 at a local store, and they were well worth it. All you have to do is know where to look.

Build quality and run length factor into how much you should spend on an HDMI cable. They're not all the same.

Monoprice

I've bought all cables from there I had no rush to get, shipping is pretty fast anyways.

10-15 feet, $4-6

25 feet, $15

There is no reason not to use HDMI.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/10/analog-sunset-begins-all-the-new-blu-ray-players-will-only-outp/

I think it's global... Not just Sony doing it for the sake of it. Bear in mind the article is from January.

http://hd.engadget.com/2009/06/08/aacs-finalize-death-to-analog-in-2013/

This ones better actually... Specifically says all blu rays players in 2011 blah blah blah.

JohnF111

But there's a difference between phasing out analog in brand new devices and going out of your way to drop analog support from what amounts to be an almost 5 year-old product. Like I said, if movie studios want to go HD-over-HDCP/AACS-only and downgrade the resolution of analog outputs that's their perogative, but there's nothing forcing Sony to outright drop HD-over-component support for the PS3.

Monoprice

I've bought all cables from there I had no rush to get, shipping is pretty fast anyways.

10-15 feet, $4-6

25 feet, $15

There is no reason not to use HDMI.

110million

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]If you have an older HDTV that pre-dates HDMI ..... you should upgrade your TV. PBSnipes

It would cost ~$1800+ to replace my 56" DLP HDTV (which is component-only, save for one luckily HDCP-friendly DVI input) with a comparable LCD/Plasma model. Not exactly something I'm in a hurry to do.

You just don't want to give up that huge screen, lol. Can't say I blame you much on that end. My 42" Samsung plasma just died on me last week and I finally settled on a 32" Panasonic Viera last night. Should have it by the end of the week. Smaller than what I am used to, but I think I'll dig it.

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]If you have an older HDTV that pre-dates HDMI ..... you should upgrade your TV. PBSnipes

It would cost ~$1800+ to replace my 56" DLP HDTV (which is component-only, save for one luckily HDCP-friendly DVI input) with a comparable LCD/Plasma model. Not exactly something I'm in a hurry to do.

Phew.

I thought it was something important for a second.

The 2 dollar amazon cable.

If you run your high end equipment on those.

My god man. You're doing it wrong!

monoprice.com

It's your friend.

Goto any audio video forum and learn about hdmi cables for the love of god!!

Baxhand

[QUOTE="JohnF111"]

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/10/analog-sunset-begins-all-the-new-blu-ray-players-will-only-outp/

I think it's global... Not just Sony doing it for the sake of it. Bear in mind the article is from January.

http://hd.engadget.com/2009/06/08/aacs-finalize-death-to-analog-in-2013/

This ones better actually... Specifically says all blu rays players in 2011 blah blah blah.

PBSnipes

But there's a difference between phasing out analog in brand new devices and going out of your way to drop analog support from what amounts to be an almost 5 year-old product. Like I said, if movie studios want to go HD-over-HDCP/AACS-only and downgrade the resolution of analog outputs that's their perogative, but there's nothing forcing Sony to outright drop HD-over-component support for the PS3.

Now i may be wrong but games are considered "Blu Ray content" hence they fit into the same terms as movies. Also Sony are part of the founders of this group/consortium so unless they pull out they will abide by their own rules.

[QUOTE="Baxhand"]

The 2 dollar amazon cable.

If you run your high end equipment on those.

My god man. You're doing it wrong!

monoprice.com

It's your friend.

Goto any audio video forum and learn about hdmi cables for the love of god!!

Heil68

If you have an older HDTV that pre-dates HDMI ..... you should upgrade your TV. Nonstop-Madness

HDMI also transmits sound while component is only picture.

Either way, stupid move by Sony, no clue why they'd do this. But HDMI cables are super, super cheap.

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]If you have an older HDTV that pre-dates HDMI ..... you should upgrade your TV. Marka1700

HDMI also transmits sound while component is only picture.

Either way, stupid move by Sony, no clue why they'd do this. But HDMI cables are super, super cheap.

Chutebox

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

HDMI also transmits sound while component is only picture.

Either way, stupid move by Sony, no clue why they'd do this. But HDMI cables are super, super cheap.

dk00111

So will movies as long as your device has componet inputs..... Its just manufacturers aren't allowed to make them with component anymore. The 3D bluray player I bought this years has no componet either just composite, I think this ristriction has been going on since the start of the year.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

HDMI also transmits sound while component is only picture.

Either way, stupid move by Sony, no clue why they'd do this. But HDMI cables are super, super cheap.

dk00111

this is bad for people who dont have HDMI TV's. IE HDTV's older then 4 yearsLanceSSJ

[QUOTE="Baxhand"]

The 2 dollar amazon cable.

If you run your high end equipment on those.

My god man. You're doing it wrong!

monoprice.com

It's your friend.

Goto any audio video forum and learn about hdmi cables for the love of god!!

Heil68

I'll stick to the high end. Peace of mind.

This is the work of the Advanced Access Content System, not Sony. Seems like all blu-ray players are being made this way. Evidentally gaming systems don't get an exemption from the rule and the public is basically finding it out now.

I see no reason to care about needing HDMI cables. It gives a better picture and is what i use anyways. Plus it's not like HDMI cables are expensives. Well that is of course if you're not a clueless idiot that likes to spends $60+ of a pair. I know I sure wouldn't consider $7 as expensive.

Yea, you gotta stick with the "high end"

I would certainly hope that anyone buying a PS3 this late in the game has a newer TV. This is 2011......Analog inputs/outputs are a thing of the past. Just like analog TV signals.

[QUOTE="verbtex"]

[QUOTE="cain006"]That's a terrible deal, you can get them for $5 or less online.

cain006

Was it a terrible deal for 2009? I try not to buy too much stuff online, I'm more of an instant gratification kind of person. :/. I was just trying to point out that consumers don't need to spend 60 bucks on HDMI cables.

"All new players sold after December 31, 2010 "must limit analog video output of BD content to interlaced standard definition (480i/576i)." - Link

Now i may be wrong but games are considered "Blu Ray content" hence they fit into the same terms as movies. Also Sony are part of the founders of this group/consortium so unless they pull out they will abide by their own rules.JohnF111

I guess I don't see why there couldn't be an exception for games or for the PS3 to be grandfathered in, as it would be easy to allow HD gaming over analog and just have a "warning: to view HDCP/AACS-protected content in HD you must use an AACS-compatible connection" pop up for protected BD videos (that's presumably what's going to happen with older, analog BD players anyway). Nevermind the sheer idiocy of DRM like HDCP and AACS in the first place.

[QUOTE="JohnF111"]"All new players sold after December 31, 2010 "must limit analog video output of BD content to interlaced standard definition (480i/576i)." - Link

Now i may be wrong but games are considered "Blu Ray content" hence they fit into the same terms as movies. Also Sony are part of the founders of this group/consortium so unless they pull out they will abide by their own rules.PBSnipes

I guess I don't see why there couldn't be an exception for games or for the PS3 to be grandfathered in, as it would be easy to allow HD gaming over analog and just have a "warning: to view HDCP/AACS-protected content in HD you must use an AACS-compatible connection" pop up for protected BD videos (that's presumably what's going to happen with older, analog BD players anyway). Nevermind the sheer idiocy of DRM like HDCP and AACS in the first place.

Otherwise, congrats! The console you likely bought because of all its fantastical HD features is now limited to the same resolution as the Wii! All because, well, frankly I can't think of a good reason for continuing to use HDCP, nevermind making it a requirement.

PBSnipes

The console you bought isn't the K series? And, if you buy one of the new ones knowing it's not compatable with your TV, then how can you complain?

I sincerely doubt there are that many people who have non-HDMI TVs left out there, considering the low life expectancy of early HDTVs.

If you're serious about HD, you'll use HDMI anyway.

I'm just going to leave this here. :)

I own and use a HD PVR recorder to steam live gameplay online, it does not have a HDMI slot, only component.

I own and use a HD PVR recorder to steam live gameplay online, it does not have a HDMI slot, only component.

Sotonian_Rebel

I actually noticed that product and was interested (they actually had an ad for it here on Gamespot). Then I noticed it had no HDMI slot and became uninterested.

Anyway if your TV doesn't have HDMI.... It's like time for a new TV. Can't afford it? Then should prolly get one before you get a PS3.

[QUOTE="Sotonian_Rebel"]

I own and use a HD PVR recorder to steam live gameplay online, it does not have a HDMI slot, only component.

Pray_to_me

I actually noticed that product and was interested (they actually had an ad for it here on Gamespot). Then I noticed it had no HDMI slot and became uninterested.

Anyway if your TV doesn't have HDMI.... It's like time for a new TV. Can't afford it? Then should prolly get one before you get a PS3.

My first HDTV was the one I bought with my launch ps3, and HDMI was already standard on them then, so an HDMI-less HDTV would be quite old by now, and my first one died after two years.

Its not surprising sony has always added stuff that was either never used or they had to remove it to save on cost to make some sort of profit.

ps1 link slot, red white and yellow, rfu power connector,expansion slot, paralel port removed.
Ps2 expansion port and thus the hard drive, PCMCIA, Firewire.

Ps3...do I even have to list them?

I'm just going to leave this here. :)

killa4lyfe

I'm just going to leave this here. :)

killa4lyfe

I got an HDMI cable for like $20 at a local store, and they were well worth it. All you have to do is know where to look.

verbtex

You still overpaid :P.

Just check Amazon or monoprice :).

[QUOTE="killa4lyfe"]

I'm just going to leave this here. :)

WilliamRLBaker