Ps3 Owners going to need new Hard Drives soon with mandatory Game installations

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#1 kcm_117
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http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/07/devil-may-cry-4-for-ps3-gets-achievements/#comments

lol so after ps3 owners buy DMC4, they have to wait 25 minutes to install it, and then have 5GB of thier hard drive taken away from them.....i thought console we're simply "put in the game and play" wth is up with mandatory installations?

Do all ps3 games do this? if so ps3 owners are going to have to get some new or larger hard drives quick.... i feel sorry for the people with 20 gig ps3's, thats 1/4 of your space taken by dmc4, MANDATORY.

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#2 Danm_999
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Consoles really are becoming more and more like PCs.

Shouldn't Blu-ray eliminate the need for installation?

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#3 3vg3ny
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If thats true that sucks sooooo bad :D
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#4 tomjoetan
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Better waiting before the game than during :-)
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#5 -supercharged-
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WTF!? That is lame.. Looks like the 360 version is going to be the one to get:)
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#6 Mad_Rhetoric
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so the ps3 is a PC ? :| :lol:
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#7 kcm_117
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Better waiting before the game than during :-)
tomjoetan

Asassins creed had installation on ps3 and theres still load times during the game. Whats the point of havign to wait 25 mins for an install ON A CONSOLE, when you can normally just wait all of ten seconds between an entire level? (like on 360 or something) lol.

if i wanted to spend lots of time installing crap, i'd buy more pc games.

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#8 negro-ma-ka-ko
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25 minutes to install? Now thats waiting.

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#9 Eddie-Vedder
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I don't think they needed to install the game, I think they chose to install the game to help preformance, games run better from the HD then from cd. It's to reduce loading times and such, it's a good thing to have, you can't do this on the 360.
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#10 -supercharged-
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Consoles really are becoming more and more like PCs.

Shouldn't Blu-ray eliminate the need for installation?

Danm_999

There's a Blu-Ray player in the PS3? :o HOLY ****! You better let the developers know so they can actually put the crap on the disc! ... Oh wait :|

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#11 anshuk20002
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If dmc4 for ps3 still loads the same or slower than the 360 version than that installation is crap. but if it loads faster or has no loading times then i guess thats good.
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#12 Mythbuster4ever
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I don't think they needed to install the game, I think they chose to install the game to help preformance, games run better from the HD then from cd. It's to reduce loading times and such, it's a good thing to have, you can't do this on the 360.Eddie-Vedder

Yes, you cant wait 25 mintues on the 360 :P

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#13 Jynxzor
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The downside to Blu-ray is a slow read speed, so instead they mainly use the disk to store data that will be instaled on the HD for a more streamlined preformance. Maybe they will be able to come out with a better read speed in the future.
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#14 -supercharged-
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[QUOTE="tomjoetan"]Better waiting before the game than during :-)
kcm_117

Asassins creed had installation on ps3 and theres still load times during the game. Whats the point of havign to wait 25 mins for an install ON A CONSOLE, when you can normally just wait all of ten seconds between an entire level? (like on 360 or something) lol.

if i wanted to spend lots of time installing crap, i'd buy more pc games.

:lol: so true

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#15 Dilrod
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http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/07/devil-may-cry-4-for-ps3-gets-achievements/#comments

lol so after ps3 owners buy DMC4, they have to wait 25 minutes to install it, and then have 5GB of thier hard drive taken away from them.....i thought console we're simply "put in the game and play" wth is up with mandatory installations?

Do all ps3 games do this? if so ps3 owners are going to have to get some new or larger hard drives quick.... i feel sorry for the people with 20 gig ps3's, thats 1/4 of your space taken by dmc4, MANDATORY.

kcm_117

At least PS3 owners can buy ANY size hard drive they want if they need to. M$ forces you to buy their over priced 120 gig one. I can buy a 250 gig 2.5" for that price, or even better a 500 gig external and a sata to ide cable for my ps3.

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#16 kcm_117
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[QUOTE="kcm_117"]

[QUOTE="tomjoetan"]Better waiting before the game than during :-)
-supercharged-

Asassins creed had installation on ps3 and theres still load times during the game. Whats the point of havign to wait 25 mins for an install ON A CONSOLE, when you can normally just wait all of ten seconds between an entire level? (like on 360 or something) lol.

if i wanted to spend lots of time installing crap, i'd buy more pc games.

:lol: so true

LOL installing world of warcraft on my sisters laptop the othe day took like literally...all day. now lets not start talking about patches, lol

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#17 ChiChiMonKilla
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I swapped in a 100 gig 16mb cache drive and load times dropped almost 50% so I hardly have any loading time on my ps3, also 5 gigs is nothing to me.
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#18 masiisam
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I don't think they needed to install the game, I think they chose to install the game to help preformance, games run better from the HD then from cd. It's to reduce loading times and such, it's a good thing to have, you can't do this on the 360.Eddie-Vedder

Or could it be theread time for the blue ray drive is utter crap??

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#19 cramoisi
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You must be a really asxxxxd guy if you think it takes 25 minutes to install data on the most powerful console on earth. LOL, it's soooo hilarious. By the way nobody bought the 20 or the 40 gig drive, and for those who did (rare), the PS3 hard drive is dirt cheap (laptop drive). Come, make us laugh some more, please !!!
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#20 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="-supercharged-"][QUOTE="kcm_117"]

[QUOTE="tomjoetan"]Better waiting before the game than during :-)
kcm_117

Asassins creed had installation on ps3 and theres still load times during the game. Whats the point of havign to wait 25 mins for an install ON A CONSOLE, when you can normally just wait all of ten seconds between an entire level? (like on 360 or something) lol.

if i wanted to spend lots of time installing crap, i'd buy more pc games.

:lol: so true

LOL installing world of warcraft on my sisters laptop the othe day took like literally...all day. now lets not start talking about patches, lol

Yeah, late adopters of WoW have a long wait. I bought the game at release, took about 10 minutes with 4 disks.

Apparently it takes hours and has 5 disks now. That's extra content for you.

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#21 tomjoetan
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[QUOTE="tomjoetan"]Better waiting before the game than during :-)
kcm_117

Asassins creed had installation on ps3 and theres still load times during the game. Whats the point of havign to wait 25 mins for an install ON A CONSOLE, when you can normally just wait all of ten seconds between an entire level? (like on 360 or something) lol.

if i wanted to spend lots of time installing crap, i'd buy more pc games.


If it cuts down on load time why is this such a bad thing?
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#22 negro-ma-ka-ko
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You must be a really asxxxxd guy if you think it takes 25 minutes to install data on the most powerful console on earth. LOL, it's soooo hilarious. By the way nobody bought the 20 or the 40 gig drive, and for those who did (rare), the PS3 hard drive is dirt cheap (laptop drive). Come, make us laugh some more, please !!!cramoisi

it also take 5 freaking gigas and 25 minutes of life, for simply make those loading times similar to the Xbox 360 version.

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#23 tomjoetan
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[QUOTE="cramoisi"]You must be a really asxxxxd guy if you think it takes 25 minutes to install data on the most powerful console on earth. LOL, it's soooo hilarious. By the way nobody bought the 20 or the 40 gig drive, and for those who did (rare), the PS3 hard drive is dirt cheap (laptop drive). Come, make us laugh some more, please !!!negro-ma-ka-ko

it also take 5 freaking gigas and 25 minutes of life, for simply make those loading times similar to the Xbox 360 version.


How do you know 360 version wont have crazy long load times? it doesnt have an install feature so the load times are just spread IN the game...
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#24 saspool
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[QUOTE="kcm_117"]

[QUOTE="tomjoetan"]Better waiting before the game than during :-)
tomjoetan

Asassins creed had installation on ps3 and theres still load times during the game. Whats the point of havign to wait 25 mins for an install ON A CONSOLE, when you can normally just wait all of ten seconds between an entire level? (like on 360 or something) lol.

if i wanted to spend lots of time installing crap, i'd buy more pc games.


If it cuts down on load time why is this such a bad thing?

This is a bad thing because it dismisses the claim that the Blueray is needed in the game industry. If the content has to be copied to the hard drive that means that the developers have a maximum of 20GB to work with (to not lose customers who only have 20GB HDs), now because developers know that a player would want to play other games and store other content on their hard drives they will not exceed 5-10GB of content because the majority will not be willing to remove their content for a single game nor purchase a new hard drive.

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#25 deadmeat59
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load times are alot better on most ps3 games. i have dirt demo on ps3 and i played the demo on 360 and it loads so much slower on the 360 on top of that it looks better on ps3.
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#26 istreakforfood
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WTF!? That is lame.. Looks like the 360 version is going to be the one to get:)-supercharged-

its cause of the slow blu-ray speed.

in ninja gaiden sigma they had an option to install the 5gb to have better performance. honestly i found no improvement with installing the 5gb. felt the same to me when i played it. i dont find the news anything new.

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#27 Sully28
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space isnt an issue, delete old data from games if you arent playing them. And the installs arent that long. Longest install so far was assassians creed and it was 2 mins and now load times are very short. Uncharted has no load times except at begging of game, ratchet and clank is basically teh same. Its good IMO.
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#28 Blackbond
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Consoles really are becoming more and more like PCs.

Shouldn't Blu-ray eliminate the need for installation?

Danm_999

Shouldn't installations have eliminated the use for Blu-Ray?

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#29 mistervengeance
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i'd rather install it once and have lesser to no loading times than have to wait for loading every time.

cmon guys if you have no problem with multiple disk switching, then you can wait 25 minutes.

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#30 rocktimusprime
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Consoles really are becoming more and more like PCs.

Shouldn't Blu-ray eliminate the need for installation?

Danm_999

bingo, thats what i am wondering

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#31 XTy
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[QUOTE="tomjoetan"]Better waiting before the game than during :-)
kcm_117

Asassins creed had installation on ps3 and theres still load times during the game. Whats the point of havign to wait 25 mins for an install ON A CONSOLE, when you can normally just wait all of ten seconds between an entire level? (like on 360 or something) lol.

if i wanted to spend lots of time installing crap, i'd buy more pc games.

They didn't explain the whole story at Joystiq, go figure. DMC 4 offers No Loading times after the install. Still, Your other topics are fine, but unlike other games you seem to compare, DMC4 will have no loading times...unlike our 360 cousin(Which also seems to have Tearing and other issues.)

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#32 BTBAM127
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i liek installing games more. it takes me 30 seconds to turn on my ps3 and boot up unreal tournament 3 and hop right into a warfare match.
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#33 lowe0
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Just wait... 25 minutes.

I have a very hard time believing it's really that long. Even 5 minutes should be borderline-acceptable, but 25?. Hell, PSN takes 5-10 minutes to download patches (a 30 sec. task on Live, yes, even recently). PSN content downloads take ages, and don't continue in the background during as many things as 360 background downloads do.

Why is everything on the PS3 so slow?

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#34 Chutebox
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Grasping at straws....

I love playing Uncharted with 0 load time.

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#35 daymo93
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25 minutes, i don't think so, thats 5 times as long as longest install time i've put up with on the PS3
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#36 bballm10
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25 MINUTES?!??! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Are you guys kidding me? It's to elminate load times almost altogether. If you're so impatient that you can't wait 25 minutes to play a video game then you probably have bigger problems to deal with.

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#38 T3H_1337_N1NJ4
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Install? ... I just lost all faith in consoles.....
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#39 lusitanogamer
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If you're not playing a game, erase the installed files. If you want to play it again, simply put the disc in the drive and install the files again.

Problem solved.

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#40 animation_imp
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This ones again proves the ignorance of lems and sheep.

This is not news, a lot of ps3 games offer the option of installing a chunck on the harddrive.

Ninja gaiden sigma and folklore are two examples. Both play without the install, but loading times vanish when you do install them.

I find it possitive that I get a choice in this matter.

GAmes I play frequently get installed, others get deleted.

It's a seperate file so deleting it does not influence your save game.

If Blu-ray means no disc swapping and an installation means virtually no loading times I can only say: Hell yeah.

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#41 lhughey
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BlueRay drives currentlyhave slower read speeds than DVD drives. Therefore streaming from the BR drive was probably avoided for performance.
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#42 ChopperDave1
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There was a post about this on another website a little bit ago. For DMC4 you don't HAVE to install it to the HDD, but if you do it will eliminate all the load times in the game
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#43 Chutebox
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There was a post about this on another website a little bit ago. For DMC4 you don't HAVE to install it to the HDD, but if you do it will eliminate all the load times in the gameChopperDave1

Those bastards! How dare they give us the option of having 0 load times! I'm contacting Capcom right now!

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#44 CwlHeddwyn
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Consoles really are becoming more and more like PCs.

Shouldn't Blu-ray eliminate the need for installation?

Danm_999

the BluRay drive inside the PS3 was the fastest BluRay drive at the time- which frankly isnt very fast at all, meaning that to keep load times down you need to install a lot of data.

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#45 pilotc
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PS3 is not a supercomputer.. its a flop
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#46 Shadow2k6
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This ones again proves the ignorance of lems and sheep.

This is not news, a lot of ps3 games offer the option of installing a chunck on the harddrive.

Ninja gaiden sigma and folklore are two examples. Both play without the install, but loading times vanish when you do install them.

I find it possitive that I get a choice in this matter.

GAmes I play frequently get installed, others get deleted.

It's a seperate file so deleting it does not influence your save game.

If Blu-ray means no disc swapping and an installation means virtually no loading times I can only say: Hell yeah.

animation_imp

Well at least someone gets it. For needing new harddrives soon, I don't think so. Here is what I have on my 60 GB.

- 4GB of PSN titles (includes Warhawk)
- 2GB of videos
- 10 GB of game utility (updates, installations, etc)

and after all that I still have 36 GB left, keep in mind i'm rounding with the numbers but I have installations that are around 2 GB for games I just rented and I still have a ton of space left over. If people need more space just delete installations for games you don't play anymore.

Also theres only a few PS3 games that force you to install it for faster load times. The majority of PS3 games either don't install it or its a option.

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#47 SeptimusV_basic
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HAHAA look at all these sheep and lemmings complaining about a one time install to help aid read speeds. LMAO

Sour grapes much? It seems so...given the fact that you dont readily have that option due to....lol

your choices to put in a harddrive altogether....so devs have to code as if there werent one.

LMAO

flipping the script sucks....when its flipped back.

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#48 EndlessGame
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Just thought I'd point out, as at least someone should have by now, that the PS3's HDD can be replaced by standard HDD's used in laptop computers; there's even a page in the manual saying how, and it seems rather simple, so running out of space isn't much of an issue. We always swapped memory cards in old gens oncce we ran out of space, now we basically have massive ones. >_>
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#49 Supafly1
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Ok, the 25 minute install isn't a big issue but the damage control from cows is just hilarious :D
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#50 flashattackfina
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SO lemmings and sheep are saying Loading times>NO loading times

WTF?