PS3 power still untapped

Seems that theres still more secrets to mastering the PS3s cell architecture. I know I know PC owns all, it should, its not fixed. But thats not what this article is about, its just stating that PS3 is still untapped. Its becoming painfully obvious that 360 is holding PS3 back with titles like GTA4 and FF13 being gimped,discuss. http://www.n4g.com/ps3/NewsCom-455739.aspx?CT=1#Comment

Maybe the ps3 is holding back multiplats on the 360, since that porting time could be used to polish them up more :roll:. The reality is the consoles have the same horsepower, and they're both holding back the pc.

lol n4g? lol no....

come back when you have any proof of your claims.

how about reading the article before posting guys:?

how about reading the article before posting guys:?

iKINGBOBi

Seems that theres still more secrets to mastering the PS3s cell architecture. I know I know PC owns all, it should, its not fixed. But thats not what this article is about, its just stating that PS3 is still untapped. Its becoming painfully obvious that 360 is holding PS3 back with titles like GTA4 and FF13 being gimped,discuss. http://www.n4g.com/ps3/NewsCom-455739.aspx?CT=1#Comment

iKINGBOBi

Maybe the ps3 is holding back multiplats on the 360, since that porting time could be used to polish them up more :roll:. The reality is the consoles have the same horsepower, and they're both holding back the pc.

topgunmv

UNC2 and Killzone 2 say otherwise . And judging by the new God of War 3 pics the 360 is getting left in the dust.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Maybe the ps3 is holding back multiplats on the 360, since that porting time could be used to polish them up more :roll:. The reality is the consoles have the same horsepower, and they're both holding back the pc.

TheSterls

UNC2 and Killzone 2 say otherwise . And judging by the new God of War 3 pics the 360 is getting left in the dust.

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Maybe the ps3 is holding back multiplats on the 360, since that porting time could be used to polish them up more :roll:. The reality is the consoles have the same horsepower, and they're both holding back the pc.

WilliamRLBaker

UNC2 and Killzone 2 say otherwise . And judging by the new God of War 3 pics the 360 is getting left in the dust.

actually, this topic is about exclusives and multiplats

OMG, not this crap again :roll:navyguy21

Ok, if no one will read the article:roll:, the gist of it is that PS3 has the ability to do 16xMSAA. Digital Foundry is the testers, and developers Pandemic made quotes about it as well.

Last Gen the PS2 was the weakest console, not by a little or arguable amount, but by a lot. Despite this it was widely acknowledged to be the best console of the Generation for the wide variety of very high quality games it housed. Moral is, hardware does not matter as much as the experience it provides, strongest does not mean best (and that applies to more then just video games)....alextherussian

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="TheSterls"]

UNC2 and Killzone 2 say otherwise . And judging by the new God of War 3 pics the 360 is getting left in the dust.

iKINGBOBi

actually, this topic is about exclusives and multiplats

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]OMG, not this crap again :roll:iKINGBOBi

Ok, if no one will read the article:roll:, the gist of it is that PS3 has the ability to do 16xMSAA. Digital Foundry is the testers, and developers Pandemic made quotes about it as well.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]OMG, not this crap again :roll:iKINGBOBi

Ok, if no one will read the article:roll:, the gist of it is that PS3 has the ability to do 16xMSAA. Digital Foundry is the testers, and developers Pandemic made quotes about it as well.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]OMG, not this crap again :roll:iKINGBOBi

Ok, if no one will read the article:roll:, the gist of it is that PS3 has the ability to do 16xMSAA. Digital Foundry is the testers, and developers Pandemic made quotes about it as well.

I did read the article. They compared the ps3 to maximum security data centers used by the government. That alone should have told you to avoid making this thread.

OMG, not this crap again :roll:navyguy21

Ok, if no one will read the article:roll:, the gist of it is that PS3 has the ability to do 16xMSAA. Digital Foundry is the testers, and developers Pandemic made quotes about it as well.

[QUOTE="iKINGBOBi"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]OMG, not this crap again :roll:WilliamRLBaker

Ok, if no one will read the article:roll:, the gist of it is that PS3 has the ability to do 16xMSAA. Digital Foundry is the testers, and developers Pandemic made quotes about it as well.

Look, I didn't write the article dude, so keep your sarcasm to yourself.

[QUOTE="alextherussian"]Last Gen the PS2 was the weakest console, not by a little or arguable amount, but by a lot. Despite this it was widely acknowledged to be the best console of the Generation for the wide variety of very high quality games it housed. Moral is, hardware does not matter as much as the experience it provides, strongest does not mean best (and that applies to more then just video games)....peaceoutmedusa

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="iKINGBOBi"]

Ok, if no one will read the article:roll:, the gist of it is that PS3 has the ability to do 16xMSAA. Digital Foundry is the testers, and developers Pandemic made quotes about it as well.

iKINGBOBi

Look, I didn't write the article dude, so keep your sarcasm to yourself.

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Maybe the ps3 is holding back multiplats on the 360, since that porting time could be used to polish them up more :roll:. The reality is the consoles have the same horsepower, and they're both holding back the pc.

WilliamRLBaker

UNC2 and Killzone 2 say otherwise . And judging by the new God of War 3 pics the 360 is getting left in the dust.

There is no flawed logic , and the fact you think Halo: Reach is on the lvl of UNC2 is a problem right there especially when Bungie is notroirous for adding extra details in there realtime cutscenes you can even see the textures pop in on Halo 3. And no FF13 does not do near as well as it would have done if it was done on the PS3 exclusivley. For one you use to be able to backtrack in FF to previous towns that will now be gone due ot the fact the 360 has to use multiple disk.

Now lets see why im using exclusives, first of all lets take UNC2 for an example which one the best graphics award on every website. It wasnt RE5 or AC2 that got it was it? No it was UNC2 why? Becaue it looks far better. Does that mean the 360 holds it back on all multiplats? No i dont think so RE5 would have been good either way but there are no exclusvies right now on the 360 that equal KZ2 or UNC2 and God of War 3is on a wholel evel beyond anything onc onsoles.

[QUOTE="iKINGBOBi"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]OMG, not this crap again :roll:topgunmv

Ok, if no one will read the article:roll:, the gist of it is that PS3 has the ability to do 16xMSAA. Digital Foundry is the testers, and developers Pandemic made quotes about it as well.

I did read the article. They compared the ps3 to maximum security data centers used by the government. That alone should have told you to avoid making this thread.

selective reading is fun:)

[QUOTE="iKINGBOBi"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] yep 16X and yet most games dont use it, dont have the abbility to use it...hmmmmalextherussian

Look, I didn't write the article dude, so keep your sarcasm to yourself.

The 16x AA technique is new and it will be used in future games from what i here , its basically a edge blurring technique and no its not anything the 360 can do as it has to be done on the SPU's.

[QUOTE="iKINGBOBi"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] yep 16X and yet most games dont use it, dont have the abbility to use it...hmmmmalextherussian

Look, I didn't write the article dude, so keep your sarcasm to yourself.

His sarcasm isn't fitting at all, PS3 games already look a lot better than anything on 360. Isn't that proof enough

Its funny when people start throwing technical terms around and assuming things. Anyways, if what your are saying is true, GTA 4 was "held back" by the 360.. Still it looked better on 360. Just like a million other multiplats out there, except maybe a recent few. I find that surprising. I favor PS3 more than 360, but I wouldnt make claims like "holding back"vegan_cannibal

I dont think GTA4 looked better on 360 in fact the PS3 version had a more realistic color tone an better performance. Yet ive read 6 diffrent websites and magazine reviews on it and there opionions were split on which one they thought looked better.

Its funny when people start throwing technical terms around and assuming things. Anyways, if what your are saying is true, GTA 4 was "held back" by the 360.. Still it looked better on 360. Just like a million other multiplats out there, except maybe a recent few. I find that surprising. I favor PS3 more than 360, but I wouldnt make claims like "holding back"vegan_cannibal

actually, according to IGN, the PS3 version of GTA4 looked better. 360 is holding back PS3 because of the DVD drive, lack of standard HDD, not to mention the cell has a lot of untapped potential according to this article. Jus saying

[QUOTE="alextherussian"][QUOTE="iKINGBOBi"]

Look, I didn't write the article dude, so keep your sarcasm to yourself.

TheSterls

The 16x AA technique is new and it will be used in future games from what i here , its basically a edge blurring technique and no its not anything the 360 can do as it has to be done on the SPU's.

I wonder what future PS3 games will look like with this new technique

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

[QUOTE="alextherussian"] But you posted it and discussed how the 360 is holding back the PS3. His sarcasm is quite fitting, if you would like him to not comment on your opinions and articles then you shouldnt be posting them in the first place..alextherussian

The 16x AA technique is new and it will be used in future games from what i here , its basically a edge blurring technique and no its not anything the 360 can do as it has to be done on the SPU's.

Wow you pretty much owned yourself on that one. Digtial foundry said its equivlent to 16x AA and thats the arguement you hermtis have been using for years on why PC games look SO MUCH BETTER THEN CONSOLE GAMES and I find it ironic you say I have to much free time on my hands when you have about 800 more post then me.

His sarcasm isn't fitting at all, PS3 games already look a lot better than anything on 360. Isn't that proof enough

iKINGBOBi

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From games the PS3 clearly has the prettier games, but the fact is that on average they are very similar. Who is to say that based on this information, a game with the same budget, time and developer skill wouldn't look the same or better on the 360...

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="iKINGBOBi"]

Ok, if no one will read the article:roll:, the gist of it is that PS3 has the ability to do 16xMSAA. Digital Foundry is the testers, and developers Pandemic made quotes about it as well.

iKINGBOBi

I did read the article. They compared the ps3 to maximum security data centers used by the government. That alone should have told you to avoid making this thread.

selective reading is fun:)

It's the first thing mentioned in the article. It'd only be selective if for some reason I read from the bottom up.

[QUOTE="alextherussian"][QUOTE="TheSterls"]

The 16x AA technique is new and it will be used in future games from what i here , its basically a edge blurring technique and no its not anything the 360 can do as it has to be done on the SPU's.

TheSterls

Wow you pretty much owned yourself on that one. Digtial foundry said its equivlent to 16x AA and thats the arguement you hermtis have been using for years on why PC games look SO MUCH BETTER THEN CONSOLE GAMES and I find it ironic you say I have to much free time on my hands when you have about 800 more post then me.

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

[QUOTE="alextherussian"] The one game this technique was used in, looks identical on the 360. Identical to the human eye anyway, if you need frame by frame analysis to find the differences in a games visuals your looking to hard and you have to much free time on your hands....alextherussian

Wow you pretty much owned yourself on that one. Digtial foundry said its equivlent to 16x AA and thats the arguement you hermtis have been using for years on why PC games look SO MUCH BETTER THEN CONSOLE GAMES and I find it ironic you say I have to much free time on my hands when you have about 800 more post then me.

Where did I say it was amazing? It simply gives the illusion of 16x AA acording to digtial foundry. A acutally dont think its that big of a deal as i sit about 4 feet away from my HDTV and even 2x AA elimates most jaggies for me. If you want to talk about why I think the 360 holds the PS3 back its a simple fact I just think KZ2 and UNC2 look better then anything on the 360 and I wish more devs would use the PS3 as there primary platform. I simply dont see any 360 exclusives that look far better then what was coming out for the system in 2008 while the PS3 seems to continue to raise the bar for itself each year.

[QUOTE="alextherussian"][QUOTE="TheSterls"]

Wow you pretty much owned yourself on that one. Digtial foundry said its equivlent to 16x AA and thats the arguement you hermtis have been using for years on why PC games look SO MUCH BETTER THEN CONSOLE GAMES and I find it ironic you say I have to much free time on my hands when you have about 800 more post then me.

TheSterls

Where did I say it was amazing? It simply gives the illusion of 16x AA acording to digtial foundry. A acutally dont think its that big of a deal as i sit about 4 feet away from my HDTV and even 2x AA elimates most jaggies for me. If you want to talk about why I think the 360 holds the PS3 back its a simply fact I just think KZ2 and UNC2 look better then anything on the 360 and I wish more devs would use the PS3 as there primary platform. I simply dont see any 360 exclusives that look far better then what was coming out for the system in 2008 while the PS3 seems to continue to raise the bar for itself.

Do you think that maybe that could have something to do with Forza3 being the only really big exclusive release for the 360 this year?

[QUOTE="vegan_cannibal"]Its funny when people start throwing technical terms around and assuming things. Anyways, if what your are saying is true, GTA 4 was "held back" by the 360.. Still it looked better on 360. Just like a million other multiplats out there, except maybe a recent few. I find that surprising. I favor PS3 more than 360, but I wouldnt make claims like "holding back"iKINGBOBi

actually, according to IGN, the PS3 version of GTA4 looked better. 360 is holding back PS3 because of the DVD drive, lack of standard HDD, not to mention the cell has a lot of untapped potential according to this article. Jus saying

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

[QUOTE="alextherussian"] haha, do be calm....This technique is not 16AA, it tries to emulate it, the one example of it being used is not particularly impressive. Basically your claiming this this is amazing, but the one example currently of it really doesnt show it to be anything special...topgunmv

Where did I say it was amazing? It simply gives the illusion of 16x AA acording to digtial foundry. A acutally dont think its that big of a deal as i sit about 4 feet away from my HDTV and even 2x AA elimates most jaggies for me. If you want to talk about why I think the 360 holds the PS3 back its a simply fact I just think KZ2 and UNC2 look better then anything on the 360 and I wish more devs would use the PS3 as there primary platform. I simply dont see any 360 exclusives that look far better then what was coming out for the system in 2008 while the PS3 seems to continue to raise the bar for itself.

Do you think that maybe that could have something to do with Forza3 being the only really big exclusive release for the 360 this year?

Whos fault is that?

[QUOTE="alextherussian"][QUOTE="TheSterls"]

Wow you pretty much owned yourself on that one. Digtial foundry said its equivlent to 16x AA and thats the arguement you hermtis have been using for years on why PC games look SO MUCH BETTER THEN CONSOLE GAMES and I find it ironic you say I have to much free time on my hands when you have about 800 more post then me.

Where did I say it was amazing? It simply gives the illusion of 16x AA acording to digtial foundry. A acutally dont think its that big of a deal as i sit about 4 feet away from my HDTV and even 2x AA elimates most jaggies for me. If you want to talk about why I think the 360 holds the PS3 back its a simply fact I just think KZ2 and UNC2 look better then anything on the 360 and I wish more devs would use the PS3 as there primary platform. I simply dont see any 360 exclusives that look far better then what was coming out for the system in 2008 while the PS3 seems to continue to raise the bar for itself.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

Where did I say it was amazing? It simply gives the illusion of 16x AA acording to digtial foundry. A acutally dont think its that big of a deal as i sit about 4 feet away from my HDTV and even 2x AA elimates most jaggies for me. If you want to talk about why I think the 360 holds the PS3 back its a simply fact I just think KZ2 and UNC2 look better then anything on the 360 and I wish more devs would use the PS3 as there primary platform. I simply dont see any 360 exclusives that look far better then what was coming out for the system in 2008 while the PS3 seems to continue to raise the bar for itself.

TheSterls

Do you think that maybe that could have something to do with Forza3 being the only really big exclusive release for the 360 this year?

Whos fault is that?

So are you trying to avoid my point by moving on to something different?

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Do you think that maybe that could have something to do with Forza3 being the only really big exclusive release for the 360 this year?

topgunmv

Whos fault is that?

So are you trying to avoid my point by moving on to something different?

No, that is my point Micrsosoft needs to make more exclusive titles and they simply dont do it. And although last year was a dead year we have already seen some of what they have coming for this year. Halo: Reach looks solid but certianly not better then KZ2 especially consdidering its just a trailer and we all know how bungie adds extra details on there traielrs. The other huge game is Alan Wake which also looks great but I dont see that looking better then UNC2 are even RE5. The PS3 on the other hand already has God of War3 and the people that have seen it are already saying the near final build sets a new bar. Why are we not getting that reaction from any future 360 titles?

the gist of it is that PS3 has the ability to do 16xMSAA.iKINGBOBi

[QUOTE="iKINGBOBi"]the gist of it is that PS3 has the ability to do 16xMSAA.Tessellation

Because it looks as good as 16xMSAA there is virtually on diffrence and all it does is take up part of an SPU rather then hog the memory .The 360 could do nowhere near 16xMSAAA on any of its game it usually does around 4 to none. And the highest end pc games run like garbage if you try to jack it up to 16xMSAA at a decent resolution. Im not stating that the PS3 has some hidden power but it is a useful technique for a system that has limited ram.

PS3 and its hardware isn't a mystery to developers. They need to know everything about a console before they develop for it.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

Whos fault is that?

TheSterls

So are you trying to avoid my point by moving on to something different?

No, that is my point Micrsosoft needs to make more exclusive titles and they simply dont do it. And although last year was a dead year we have already seen some of what they have coming for this year. Halo: Reach looks solid but certianly not better then KZ2 especially consdidering its just a trailer and we all know how bungie adds extra details on there traielrs. The other huge game is Alan Wake which also looks great but I dont see that looking better then UNC2 are even RE5. The PS3 on the other hand already has God of War3 and the people that have seen it are already saying the near final build sets a new bar. Why are we not getting that reaction from any future 360 titles?

As far as I know there haven't been any playable demo's for the 360's 2010 lineup yet.

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

So are you trying to avoid my point by moving on to something different?

topgunmv

No, that is my point Micrsosoft needs to make more exclusive titles and they simply dont do it. And although last year was a dead year we have already seen some of what they have coming for this year. Halo: Reach looks solid but certianly not better then KZ2 especially consdidering its just a trailer and we all know how bungie adds extra details on there traielrs. The other huge game is Alan Wake which also looks great but I dont see that looking better then UNC2 are even RE5. The PS3 on the other hand already has God of War3 and the people that have seen it are already saying the near final build sets a new bar. Why are we not getting that reaction from any future 360 titles?

As far as I know there haven't been any playable demo's for the 360's 2010 lineup yet.

Theres lots of gameplay trailers and impressions of Alan Wake. Also ME2 was another one I forgot to mention . Im sure it will look great as did the first one but IGN said it wasnt a big leap from the original.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

No, that is my point Micrsosoft needs to make more exclusive titles and they simply dont do it. And although last year was a dead year we have already seen some of what they have coming for this year. Halo: Reach looks solid but certianly not better then KZ2 especially consdidering its just a trailer and we all know how bungie adds extra details on there traielrs. The other huge game is Alan Wake which also looks great but I dont see that looking better then UNC2 are even RE5. The PS3 on the other hand already has God of War3 and the people that have seen it are already saying the near final build sets a new bar. Why are we not getting that reaction from any future 360 titles?

TheSterls

As far as I know there haven't been any playable demo's for the 360's 2010 lineup yet.

Theres lots of gameplay trailers and impressions of Alan Wake. Also ME2 was another one I forgot to mention . Im sure it will look great as did the first one but IGN said it wasnt a big leap from the original.

Well We'll see when they release.