PS3 power still untapped

OMG, not this crap again :roll:navyguy21

What can you say? Fanboys like buying into crap like these.

Man, Sony brainwashed the hell out of these cows.:lol:

"Teh powerz of teh cell, it only does everything!":roll:

mitu123

Sad but funny :lol:

Of course PS3 is untapped, even with God of War 3 and Uncharted 2, according to hardcore fans. I mean it'll be untapped in 3 years time when Sony fans still have their head up their you know what.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

I can't believe some people are saying the Cell is far more powerful than a quad core, a quad core has 4 main cores while the Cell only has one main core with like 7 SPES, and a SPE surely isn't the same as a PPE(main core).

Maybe more than a weak quad core, but a 3.4 ghz quad core, not really.

Odrec

[QUOTE="Odrec"][QUOTE="mitu123"]

I can't believe some people are saying the Cell is far more powerful than a quad core, a quad core has 4 main cores while the Cell only has one main core with like 7 SPES, and a SPE surely isn't the same as a PPE(main core).

Maybe more than a weak quad core, but a 3.4 ghz quad core, not really.

mitu123

Because Sony said so, and anything Sony says is the truth. All PS3 exclusives are actually in 4D at native 1080p and 120FPS...you're just too much of a fanboy to see it. :P

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Odrec"] Do you know what SIMD processing is? Please explain how parallel processing works and why current processors are aiming at parallel architectures. The Cell is in sheer processing power much more powerful than a current commercial quad core.EndorphinMaster

Because Sony said so, and anything Sony says is the truth. All PS3 exclusives are actually in 4D at native 1080p and 120FPS...you're just too much of a fanboy to see it. :P

[QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]

Because Sony said so, and anything Sony says is the truth. All PS3 exclusives are actually in 4D at native 1080p and 120FPS...you're just too much of a fanboy to see it. :P

mitu123

Still working on 4D I'm afraid, but I've cracked the other two ;)

All I want to know is how teh Cell is much more powerful than the best quad core. And you're asking me questions?:|

mitu123

Saying it's more powerful is highly misleading, a better description would be it is more specialized. Cell kicks a traditional CPU's butt in number crunching, but a typical quad core walks all over Cell in a broad range of work.

Think of Cell as being a CPU/GPU hybrid, offering general purpose and number crunching capability in one component; but being the best at neither. A GPU easily beats Cell at number crunching and a CPU easily beats it in general purpose performance, but Cell can combine the two and do stuff neither a GPU or CPU could do on their own.

Of course that is changing with GPGPU, getting the best of both worlds.

[QUOTE="Odrec"][QUOTE="mitu123"]

I can't believe some people are saying the Cell is far more powerful than a quad core, a quad core has 4 main cores while the Cell only has one main core with like 7 SPES, and a SPE surely isn't the same as a PPE(main core).

Maybe more than a weak quad core, but a 3.4 ghz quad core, not really.

mitu123

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Odrec"] Do you know what SIMD processing is? Please explain how parallel processing works and why current processors are aiming at parallel architectures. The Cell is in sheer processing power much more powerful than a current commercial quad core.Odrec

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="Odrec"] Now are we talking about PCs? PCs can have millions of different configurations and a PC is not only the processor. I was comparing processors only since it's obvious that a good PC is potentially more powerful than any console configuration right now. Talking processor-wise the Cell is a more powerful processing unit than most commercial ones out there.Martin_G_N

Intel Core i7 XE 975 at 3.33 GHz will give you 101 GFLOPS (SGEMM 4K x 4K ).

IBM PowerXCell 8i (Cell, 65nm) will give you 164 GFLOPS (SGEMM 4K x 4K). This CELL version includes 8 SPEs and fixed 64bit FP processing. PS3's CELL is gimped i.e. slow 64bit FP processing and missing 1 SPE.

Xbox 360 PPE X3's SGEMM scores wouldn't be pretty i.e. half speed and small L2 cache.

Both the PC and Xbox 360 follows heavy FP workloads being off-loaded to the GpGPU (with atleast gather/scatter features).

ATI Radeon HD 3870(RV670) with 320 SPs reaches ~300 GFLOPS (SGEMM). http://developer.amd.com/gpu_assets/IUCAA_Pune_PEEP_2008.pdf

Mainstream ATI Radeon HD 4600(RV730)is fundamentally an 8 ROPs version RV670.

ATI Radeon HD 4870(RV770) with 800 SPs reaches ~1TFLOPs (SGEMM 4K x 4K, ~81 percent from peak). http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=54842

Note that, SGEMM = 32bit FP and DGEMM = 64bit FP.

Look out the benchmarks for Cell against current quadcore CPUs, the Cell beats the crap out of them in processing power. That a game is going to use that power is not the matter and "it depends" as the developer says. But the POTENTIAL (please take a minute or two to understand this) of the machine makes the PS3 more powerful plain and simple. ;)Odrec

CPU's ability @ number crunching means squat in the game development arena. Quad core CPU runs circles around the Cell in geneal purpose processing dude. Just stop please........youre digging a hole :|

I can't believe some people are saying the Cell is far more powerful than a quad core, a quad core has 4 main cores while the Cell only has one main core with like 7 SPES, and a SPE surely isn't the same as a PPE(main core).

Maybe more than a weak quad core, but a 3.4 ghz quad core, not really.

mitu123

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

I can't believe some people are saying the Cell is far more powerful than a quad core, a quad core has 4 main cores while the Cell only has one main core with like 7 SPES, and a SPE surely isn't the same as a PPE(main core).

Maybe more than a weak quad core, but a 3.4 ghz quad core, not really.

Odrec

Depends on the parallel processing workload e.g. PS3's CELL vs Intel i7 Quads on DP FP/64bit FP.

Anyway, ATI Radeon HD 4850/5750's DGEMM scores kills both IBM CELL(all types) and Intel Quads (all types).

Well using your logic, how about if the PS3 is holding the 360 back in terms of multiplats since if the devs didn't need to port to PS3, they could spend more time polishing up the game on 360 with titles like Bayonetta already showing this ;) Like the logic reversal???93soccer

Also, just adding: Bayonetta was made on the 360 and Sega did the (terrible) PS3 port, leading to the far inferior PS3 version. Not really due to the power of the consoles.

[QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"] All I want to know is how teh Cell is much more powerful than the best quad core. And you're asking me questions?:|

mitu123

Because Sony said so, and anything Sony says is the truth. All PS3 exclusives are actually in 4D at native 1080p and 120FPS...you're just too much of a fanboy to see it. :P

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blinx

http://www.microsoft.com/products/info/product.aspx?view=22&pcid=67b43cec-8d84-4dbf-90e4-ccd78367fbdc&type=ovr

Not only that, but the original Xbox also had "the world's first 5D game giving players control over both time and space". ", Blinx 2: Masters Of Time. Microsoft claimed that, not Sony.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/preview_170604_Blinx2

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbx/blinx2mastersoftimeandspace

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]

Because Sony said so, and anything Sony says is the truth. All PS3 exclusives are actually in 4D at native 1080p and 120FPS...you're just too much of a fanboy to see it. :P

NukePistols

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blinx

http://www.microsoft.com/products/info/product.aspx?view=22&pcid=67b43cec-8d84-4dbf-90e4-ccd78367fbdc&type=ovr

Not only that, but the original Xbox also had "the world's first 5D game giving players control over both time and space". ", Blinx 2: Masters Of Time. Microsoft claimed that, not Sony.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/preview_170604_Blinx2

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbx/blinx2mastersoftimeandspace

Time is not dimension :P if not then we got 4D games for long time

Well let's tap that then! Who's with me?!

[QUOTE="Odrec"][QUOTE="mitu123"]

I can't believe some people are saying the Cell is far more powerful than a quad core, a quad core has 4 main cores while the Cell only has one main core with like 7 SPES, and a SPE surely isn't the same as a PPE(main core).

Maybe more than a weak quad core, but a 3.4 ghz quad core, not really.

ronvalencia

Depends on the parallel processing workload e.g. PS3's CELL vs Intel i7 Quads on DP FP/64bit FP.

Anyway, ATI Radeon HD 4850/5750's DGEMM scores kills both IBM CELL(all types) and Intel Quads (all types).

Do you know what SIMD processing is? Please explain how parallel processing works and why current processors are aiming at parallel architectures. The Cell is in sheer processing power much more powerful than a current commercial quad core. Odrec

Depends on the parallel processing workload e.g. PS3's CELL vs Intel i7 Quads on DP FP/64bit FP.

Anyway, ATI Radeon HD 4850/5750's DGEMM scores kills both IBM CELL(all types) and Intel Quads (all types).

[QUOTE="Odrec"][QUOTE="navyguy21"] If you seriously think the Cell in the PS3 out performs a quad core CPU, then you have lost the little credibility that you may have had :|

CPU's ability @ number crunching means squat in the game development arena. Quad core CPU runs circles around the Cell in geneal purpose processing dude. Just stop please........youre digging a hole :|

ronvalencia

[QUOTE="Martin_G_N"][QUOTE="navyguy21"]no, dont try to change the configurations. We are talkin about the processors themselves. The Cell is not, will not, and cannot be better than a quad core when it comes to game development...........bottom line dude.ronvalencia

Intel Core i7 XE 975 at 3.33 GHz will give you 101 GFLOPS (SGEMM 4K x 4K ).

IBM PowerXCell 8i (Cell, 65nm) will give you 164 GFLOPS (SGEMM 4K x 4K). This CELL version includes 8 SPEs and fixed 64bit FP processing. PS3's CELL is gimped i.e. slow 64bit FP processing and missing 1 SPE.

Xbox 360 PPE X3's SGEMM scores wouldn't be pretty i.e. half speed and small L2 cache.

Both the PC and Xbox 360 follows heavy FP workloads being off-loaded to the GpGPU (with atleast gather/scatter features).

ATI Radeon HD 3870(RV670) with 320 SPs reaches ~300 GFLOPS (SGEMM). http://developer.amd.com/gpu_assets/IUCAA_Pune_PEEP_2008.pdf

Mainstream ATI Radeon HD 4600(RV730)is fundamentally an 8 ROPs version RV670.

ATI Radeon HD 4870(RV770) with 800 SPs reaches ~1TFLOPs (SGEMM 4K x 4K, ~81 percent from peak). http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=54842

Note that, SGEMM = 32bit FP and DGEMM = 64bit FP.

wow in here there are some guys really informed when it comes to technical stuff...

Personally I always thought that devs get the best out of consoles in their final 2 yrs of life before new consoles come out due to the fact that devs would have probably created 2 - 3 titles and therefore have much more knowlegde on the console's hardware capabilities/limits.. But am not technical so i'll just continue enjoying the many great titles coming out on the consoles i own :)

ll this blah,blah,blah, but everyone seems to forget that the Dev's themselves stated that the CELL is inappropriate for gaming, it has no branch predictors which are essential for gaming, a general purpose CPU is far better for gaming than the CELL this was said many times by many devsdelta3074

A console CPU has been specifically made to handle media, while a PC CPU is a better all rounder. The PS2's CPU was just 300MHZ, but it was alot faster than a PC CPU at higher clock speeds. A 2.0GHZ pentium 4 could do 8 G.flops, and the PS2 was'nt far behind, it could do 6G.flops @ 300MHZ. The Xbox's old pentium@733MHZ could only do 1.5G.flops. A console CPU usually has a faster calculating processor. The i7 can do 53G.flops, and the PS3's cell is around 156G.flops with it's 6 spu's. Martin_G_N

Intel Core i7 XE 975 at 3.33 GHz will give you 101 GFLOPS (SGEMM 4K x 4K ).

IBM PowerXCell 8i (Cell, 65nm) will give you 164 GFLOPS (SGEMM 4K x 4K). This CELL version includes 8 SPEs and fixed 64bit FP processing. PS3's CELL is gimped i.e. slow 64bit FP processing and missing 1 SPE.

Xbox 360 PPE X3's SGEMM scores wouldn't be pretty i.e. half speed and small L2 cache.

Both the PC and Xbox 360 follows heavy FP workloads being off-loaded to the GpGPU (with atleast gather/scatter features).

ATI Radeon HD 3870(RV670) with 320 SPs reaches ~300 GFLOPS (SGEMM). http://developer.amd.com/gpu_assets/IUCAA_Pune_PEEP_2008.pdf

Mainstream ATI Radeon HD 4600(RV730)is fundamentally an 8 ROPs version RV670.

ATI Radeon HD 4870(RV770) with 800 SPs reaches ~1TFLOPs (SGEMM 4K x 4K, ~81 percent from peak). http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=54842

Note that, SGEMM = 32bit FP and DGEMM = 64bit FP.

[QUOTE="delta3074"]ll this blah,blah,blah, but everyone seems to forget that the Dev's themselves stated that the CELL is inappropriate for gaming, it has no branch predictors which are essential for gaming, a general purpose CPU is far better for gaming than the CELL this was said many times by many devsHuusAsking