PS3 = Problems solved; Xbox360 = problems remain

[QUOTE="Coyo7e"]

I think the ps3 library is really lacking so far. With a game of MGS4's magnitude it is silly to try and spin it though. Sure, some cows will be annoying as hell, but by all accounts this game is plenty worthy of some chest beating.

SpruceCaboose

The irony...I have no desire to get MGS 4 (Not my game type). I will pick it up when it gets cheap though, just to play it.

Same here. I am not desperate to play the game. While I think the ps3 is lacking so far, actually I consider it one of the worst console purchases I have ever made, I should have waited, I do really like the system and I still like Sony. So I am really looking forward to spending some quality time with the game.

Right now I am playing three games though. Sins of a Solar Empire, Persona 3 FES (my first persona game and I love it) and NG 2. But I am excited to play MGS 4.

I am on a big JRPG kick these days though. Over the last six years I was all about my PC and MP gaming and a few months ago I just got fed up with it and crawled in to my deep dark hole for some single player gaming. I do not think it is just a phase either. With the exception of GTA4 online MP just does not float my boat anymore. Since I despise the XBL community so much and finding a good game of GTA4 can be so hard I still do not play it most days.

Like the other night. I got on and found a decent game but someone let their GF on the headset and all she did was insult everyone by calling us geeks and losers. Talk about annoying. Especially since odds are it was some mut with a complex. Only people with a complex feel the need to that. But MP gaming is not the escape from life I am looking for these days. But a good 50+ hour JRPG? Ahhhhh, lost in my own little world.

[QUOTE="Maraos"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Lets give credit where it is due: I use the 360 more than either my PS3 or my Wii. Ain't preferences fun?kingtito

Why are cows acting as if though one game (MGS4) makes up for the rest of their terrible line up of games?

Because they have nothing else....the Wii is crapping all over them so they ignore it and act as if ONLY the 360 and PS3 are the only consoles.

Here I was thinking most the PS3 vs. 360 threads created throughout 2007 was made by lems.

But MGS4 subpar resolution is not solved,1024 x 768 with almost no AA only temporal,and runs at 30FPS not 60FPS all the time like cows said.MojondeVACA

The damage control is heavy in your posts! Congratulations fanboy!

I don't see how 1 game (MGS4) solves all of PS3's problems. Sure, it's the first must have game on the system but it's 1 game. Coming from a PC gamers standpoint (myself) i can safely say that if MGS4 did not score well that i would seriously have barely played my PS3 at all for the next few months. As it is now i'll probably still barely play it but i'll be playing it now at all because of MGS4. MGS4 fixed one problem; The PS3 did not have a single must have game for over a year and a half. But there are far more problems with all the systems other than having a must have game seeing as what a "must have game" is differs from person to person. Puckhog04

Just because there is only one good game according to GS on the PS3 doesn't mean that there isn't other good exclusives. Not everyone knows Gamespot is even out there so GS is not influencing their purchase. The PS3 will be fine and there is plenty of time for them to build their library with good exclusives which WILL happen. Fanboys latch onto the 1 good exclusive thing and I say let them miss out.

[QUOTE="Maraos"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Lets give credit where it is due: I use the 360 more than either my PS3 or my Wii. Ain't preferences fun?kingtito

Why are cows acting as if though one game (MGS4) makes up for the rest of their terrible line up of games?

Because they have nothing else....the Wii is crapping all over them so they ignore it and act as if ONLY the 360 and PS3 are the only consoles.

The PS3 doesnt have a terrible line up of games its good, and the Wii is crapping on 360 just as much as it is PS3

yeah less powerfull console thats why MGS4 runs at subpar resolution 1024x768 :lol: gears which also looks better runs a native 720p.

MojondeVACA

link please

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Lets give credit where it is due: I use the 360 more than either my PS3 or my Wii. Ain't preferences fun?Maraos

Why are cows acting as if though one game (MGS4) makes up for the rest of their terrible line up of games?

Because they don't have a terrible line up for the rest of their games. I own a PS3, and a good gaming PC. I used to own a 360. I traded it in for a PS3 back in November and I already own far more games for my PS3 than I did for my 360.

What you said is the most lame, lazy, and terrible form of damage control their is. Every console has good games, except the PS3 now is the only one with the best game. :lol:

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PS3 PROBLEMS:

Lack of killer exclusive...Solved. IGN gives Metal Gear Solid 4 perfect scores on all categories. Closing Comments:
Is it possible to give a game an 11? If so, this would be the game that would merit that score.

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Sihanouk

having only 5 AA and up rated exclusive games is still pretty poor when compared to every other system.

Give it time. Softy is taking the high road and Nintendo the low road. It's Sorny-crushing time.

June is a very good month for the PS3. Let's take this moment to give credits where credits are due.

PS3 PROBLEMS:

Lack of killer exclusive...Solved. IGN gives Metal Gear Solid 4 perfect scores on all categories. Closing Comments:
Is it possible to give a game an 11? If so, this would be the game that would merit that score.

Consoles not selling well...Solved. The PS3 is now outselling the 360 in America, Europe, Japan, and Pluto. See this month's NPD numbers.

Lack of rumble...solved. The PS3 controller now has motion control and rumble.

Lack of DTS-HD Master audio...solved. The PS3 now produces the best sound in games and movies.

Negative Press...sovled. The PS3 is by far the most improved console this generation. The press is starting to give credits where credits are due. Arstechnica, a very respected tech-orieted site, gave the PS3 a 6 rating during the launch year. Now it gives the PS3 a 9. http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/playstation-3-blu-ray.ars

XBOX 360 PROBLEMS:

Reliability... Not solved. It is still the most unreliable console on the market. Red Ring of Death. Noisy. Too much heat.

Lack of very powerful CPU, standard hard disk drive, and high-capacity optical disk...Not solved. This makes the 360 the least future-proof of all HD-capable consoles. At the moment, next-generation is best defined by the PS3.

LIVE fees...not sovled. Still expensive considering every gaming platform, the PC, the Mac, PS2, PS3, Wii, DS, PSP all allow free multiplayer gaming over the internet. LIVE fees make the 360 the most expensive console to own out of all consoles on the market today.

Lack of motion-sensing control...not solved. Poor 360. Unlike Wii or PS3, it has no montion control.

POOR performance in Japan and Europe...Not solved. The 360 is basically dead in Japan. We all know that. In Europe, despite a price cut earlier this year, the 360 is still struggling. In fact, it has been said that the 360 is struggling, clutching at straws. http://%20year%20ahead%20a/. Now with the PS3 outselling the 360 in May and with June's monster of a game Metal Gear Solid 4, the future of the 360 in America only looks grimmer every month.

Inability to play Blu-ray movies...not solved. This is a big deal, even if you mostly care about games. The truth is most of us also like movies. The best sights and sounds produced by the movies are found in Blu-ray. The PS3 is the only console capable of bringing out the best sights and sounds in your living or bedroom.

Let's give credits to where credits are due. The PS3 gives you the most bang for the buck (best value), the best sights and soundsn(Cell and Blu-ray), and the most peace of mind (reliability and future-proof design).

Sihanouk

At least 360 and Wii don't solve their problems by using other consoles solutions. And why do people keep on saying its future-proof? Just because its future proof doesn't mean it will fare any better than Wii, 360 or PC, for that matter.

First Point Regarding X360 Unreliability : New chipsets have been released which rectify the RRoD problem, no-one really cares about noise, as everyone plays X360 at quite a high volume anyway, and too much heat? Right.....It produces as much (if not less) heat as both Wii and PS3.

Second Point : LoL at the fact that you say that 360 has low processing prower is a load of BS aswell.

Links to console Wiki's and System Specs:

X360 : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360

PS3 : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS3

Basically, the Systems are the same, but done with different hardware.

Its Hard Drive is a FireWire variation I believe, so in what way is it not a proper Hard Drive? You don't know? Thats what I thought.

Optical drive speeds are so insignificant, that the Wiki doesn't even list them.

Third Point : I think the fact that XBL has led and influenced the online console gaming market and provides the most services and best in game Messaging System more than justifies it.

Fourth Point : Lack of motion sensing? So the 360 doesn't ape the Wii and put motion sensing in their controller. Does that make it less noteworthy or a worse console? I don't think so and I don't think the rest of the 360 Gamers are bothered by it either.

Fifth Point : Microsoft never expected to do well in Japan, and so far I have actually noticed quite an abundancy of Asian gamers on XBL....Sony expect that everyone will love their console at first sight, unlike Microsoft.

So 360 has sold 19 Million since Late November, 05'. PS3 has sold 12.7 Million since January 06'. Do the math. (Links to these figures are also on the Wiki.)

....And your fifth point is irrelevant as Blu-Ray, as has been credited by marketing officials is, unless serious infrastructure revision is done, is fast becoming a dead format to the casual user. (You are talking about Blu-Ray being a unique selling point for PS3, when the actual selling point has to stem from casual demand, of which there is none, presently.

Mathematically, the 360 is the most popular console this gen, and PS3 is the least (19 Mil > 12.7 Mil) so you tell me how PS3 has less problems, from the perspective of a marketing official.

At least 360 and Wii don't solve their problems by using other consoles solutions. And why do people keep on saying its future-proof? Just because its future proof doesn't mean it will fare any better than Wii, 360 or PC, for that matter.

First Point Regarding X360 Unreliability : New chipsets have been released which rectify the RRoD problem, no-one really cares about noise, as everyone plays X360 at quite a high volume anyway, and too much heat? Right.....It produces as much (if not less) heat as both Wii and PS3.

Second Point : LoL at the fact that you say that 360 has low processing prower is a load of BS aswell.

Links to console Wiki's and System Specs:

X360 : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360

PS3 : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS3

Basically, the Systems are the same, but done with different hardware.

Its Hard Drive is a FireWire variation I believe, so in what way is it not a proper Hard Drive? You don't know? Thats what I thought.

Optical drive speeds are so insignificant, that the Wiki doesn't even list them.

Third Point : I think the fact that XBL has led and influenced the online console gaming market and provides the most services and best in game Messaging System more than justifies it.

Fourth Point : Lack of motion sensing? So the 360 doesn't ape the Wii and put motion sensing in their controller. Does that make it less noteworthy or a worse console? I don't think so and I don't think the rest of the 360 Gamers are bothered by it either.

Fifth Point : Microsoft never expected to do well in Japan, and so far I have actually noticed quite an abundancy of Asian gamers on XBL....Sony expect that everyone will love their console at first sight, unlike Microsoft.

So 360 has sold 19 Million since Late November, 05'. PS3 has sold 12.7 Million since January 06'. Do the math. (Links to these figures are also on the Wiki.)

....And your fifth point is irrelevant as Blu-Ray, as has been credited by marketing officials is, unless serious infrastructure revision is done, is fast becoming a dead format to the casual user. (You are talking about Blu-Ray being a unique selling point for PS3, when the actual selling point has to stem from casual demand, of which there is none, presently.

Mathematically, the 360 is the most popular console this gen, and PS3 is the least (19 Mil > 12.7 Mil) so you tell me how PS3 has less problems, from the perspective of a marketing official.

KOTORkicker

Do you even know how to give credits where credits are due?

If the PS3 solves its problems using other console's methods, then so be it. It's better to have problems solved than not. Unfortunately, the 360 can't solved the problems I listed in anyway whatsoever.

Xbox unreliability: It's not true that new chipsets have been released that sovled the hardware issues. Why are you trying to spread misinformation. If that is the case, Microsoft and the press world would have made it loud and clear. The truth is the 360 is still the most unreliable console on the market. Face it.

The 360 has a significantly less powerful CPU than the PS3. That's why you will never get a large-number multiplayer game with open environments and decent graphics like the PS3. How often do you hear gaming sites say this game or that game is the most technoligically advanced game ever made? It didn't happen on the 360, but on the PS3 there's Metal Gear Solid 4.

Stop trying to spread misinformation again. You are being pathetic saying the PS3 and the 360 are basically the same. They not. The PS3 is superior in optical diskspace, faster CPU, and standard hard disk drive. Let's make a bet. You will never hear respected gaming sites say any game on the 360 as the most technoligcally advanced game ever. The PS3 already has Metal Gear Solid 4, this early in its life span. Why I am so certain that the 360 can't produce such a game? Because the 360 is signficantly inferior to the PS3. Period. Face reality.

Sure, I'll give credits to where credits are due: the 360 currently has a better online system. But is it worth the extra money? To many people, if not most, it isn't. That's why the 360's install base will be last place this generation. Most gamers are smart enough to know that LIVE fees make the 360 very expensive to own. Let's not forget that the PS3 network is definitely good enough for multiplayer gaming. Games such as GTA4 actually plays better on the PS3 according to Gamepro because the PS3 uses dedicated servers. Also, PSN is constantly being improved, and soon with HOME and in-game XMB, the PS3's value as a gaming system only gets better.

Fourth Point: Motion-sensing. You said the 360 owners aren't bothered by it. It's hard to be bothered by something you have never experieced. At the very least the PS3 controllers have additional means for developers to design control schemes in their games. Motion sensing is better than no motion sensing. Admit it. Face it.

Fifth point: The 360 came out 1 year earlier than the PS3, of course it's gonna have a larger install base. Remember Microsoft expecting to have a 10 million head start? Well, they never got it. It's about 6 million head start now. It's shrinking every week. The PS3 is winning the 360 in sales in every continent each week/month. For the 360, it's not a good sign. Face it. Admit it.

Mathemically, the Wii is the most popular this gen, and the 360 is doomed to be 3rd place. Most analysts have said the 360 will be dead last this generation. The PS3 might even beat the Wii when it's all over. Face it. Deal with it: The 360 will be dead last this generation.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"][QUOTE="MojondeVACA"]

yeah less powerfull console thats why MGS4 runs at subpar resolution 1024x768 :lol: gears which also looks better runs a native 720p.

MojondeVACA

And you believed him?

And the 360 still does not have an AAAAE exclusive. :lol:

[QUOTE="Maraos"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Lets give credit where it is due: I use the 360 more than either my PS3 or my Wii. Ain't preferences fun?SpruceCaboose

Why are cows acting as if though one game (MGS4) makes up for the rest of their terrible line up of games?

Because there are plenty of great games on the PS3.

I am not "on your side". I have my own side, and that is with the games, not the systems.

Im on your side:P

My experience with MGS franchise.. Beat the game, kicks major ass and awesome experience.. then there's nothing left to do and it collects dust due to lack of replayability since it's such a linear game. The multiplayer disk is meh, might as well play portal again after a few months... it's the single player that is AAAA experience but that's only temporary.. Still need more AAA games on this system..

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Lets give credit where it is due: I use the 360 more than either my PS3 or my Wii. Ain't preferences fun?Maraos

Why are cows acting as if though one game (MGS4) makes up for the rest of their terrible line up of games?

I dont think heavenly sword,ninja gaiden sigma,Ratchet,resitance,motorstorm, eye of judgement, folklore, and some others is a terrible line up

MGS4 just made the line up alot better

ps3 is over priccednaruto7777

Not really, more like under priced

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

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PS3 PROBLEMS:

Lack of killer exclusive...Solved. IGN gives Metal Gear Solid 4 perfect scores on all categories. Closing Comments:
Is it possible to give a game an 11? If so, this would be the game that would merit that score.

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opex07

having only 5 AA and up rated exclusive games is still pretty poor when compared to every other system.

well... Im probaly going to get flamed but

12 exlusive AA titles and up at IGN

Lets give credit where it is due: I use the 360 more than either my PS3 or my Wii. Ain't preferences fun?SpruceCaboose

June is a very good month for the PS3. Let's take this moment to give credits where credits are due.

PS3 PROBLEMS:

Lack of killer exclusive...Solved. IGN gives Metal Gear Solid 4 perfect scores on all categories. Closing Comments:
Is it possible to give a game an 11? If so, this would be the game that would merit that score.

Consoles not selling well...Solved. The PS3 is now outselling the 360 in America, Europe, Japan, and Pluto. See this month's NPD numbers.

Lack of rumble...solved. The PS3 controller now has motion control and rumble.

Lack of DTS-HD Master audio...solved. The PS3 now produces the best sound in games and movies.

Negative Press...sovled. The PS3 is by far the most improved console this generation. The press is starting to give credits where credits are due. Arstechnica, a very respected tech-orieted site, gave the PS3 a 6 rating during the launch year. Now it gives the PS3 a 9. http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/playstation-3-blu-ray.ars

XBOX 360 PROBLEMS:

Reliability... Not solved. It is still the most unreliable console on the market. Red Ring of Death. Noisy. Too much heat.

Lack of very powerful CPU, standard hard disk drive, and high-capacity optical disk...Not solved. This makes the 360 the least future-proof of all HD-capable consoles. At the moment, next-generation is best defined by the PS3.

LIVE fees...not sovled. Still expensive considering every gaming platform, the PC, the Mac, PS2, PS3, Wii, DS, PSP all allow free multiplayer gaming over the internet. LIVE fees make the 360 the most expensive console to own out of all consoles on the market today.

Lack of motion-sensing control...not solved. Poor 360. Unlike Wii or PS3, it has no montion control.

POOR performance in Japan and Europe...Not solved. The 360 is basically dead in Japan. We all know that. In Europe, despite a price cut earlier this year, the 360 is still struggling. In fact, it has been said that the 360 is struggling, clutching at straws. http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=147092. Now with the PS3 outselling the 360 in May and with June's monster of a game Metal Gear Solid 4, the future of the 360 in America only looks grimmer every month.

Inability to play Blu-ray movies...not solved. This is a big deal, even if you mostly care about games. The truth is most of us also like movies. The best sights and sounds produced by the movies are found in Blu-ray. The PS3 is the only console capable of bringing out the best sights and sounds in your living or bedroom.

Let's give credits to where credits are due. The PS3 gives you the most bang for the buck (best value), the best sights and soundsn(Cell and Blu-ray), and the most peace of mind (reliability and future-proof design).

Sihanouk

Ah, the life of a fanboy. In the TC's world, the Wii doesn't exist, the Sixaxis isn't a sham, (presumably) Sony provides it's userbase with free Dualshock 3 controllers, and one game makes a library.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Lets give credit where it is due: I use the 360 more than either my PS3 or my Wii. Ain't preferences fun?GUNpoint_

My system has never malfuntioned, and Mass Effect didn't cease to exist upon getting ported. These are fanboy arguments, not arguments for serious people based on real life.

Its amazing how one game can do so much... Seems like one review has turned the tables in the console war.xXHackettXx

He covered way more topics than just that one game. Did you read it all? He actually has extremely good points.

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

June is a very good month for the PS3. Let's take this moment to give credits where credits are due.

PS3 PROBLEMS:

Lack of killer exclusive...Solved. IGN gives Metal Gear Solid 4 perfect scores on all categories. Closing Comments:
Is it possible to give a game an 11? If so, this would be the game that would merit that score.

Consoles not selling well...Solved. The PS3 is now outselling the 360 in America, Europe, Japan, and Pluto. See this month's NPD numbers.

Lack of rumble...solved. The PS3 controller now has motion control and rumble.

Lack of DTS-HD Master audio...solved. The PS3 now produces the best sound in games and movies.

Negative Press...sovled. The PS3 is by far the most improved console this generation. The press is starting to give credits where credits are due. Arstechnica, a very respected tech-orieted site, gave the PS3 a 6 rating during the launch year. Now it gives the PS3 a 9. http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/playstation-3-blu-ray.ars

XBOX 360 PROBLEMS:

Reliability... Not solved. It is still the most unreliable console on the market. Red Ring of Death. Noisy. Too much heat.

Lack of very powerful CPU, standard hard disk drive, and high-capacity optical disk...Not solved. This makes the 360 the least future-proof of all HD-capable consoles. At the moment, next-generation is best defined by the PS3.

LIVE fees...not sovled. Still expensive considering every gaming platform, the PC, the Mac, PS2, PS3, Wii, DS, PSP all allow free multiplayer gaming over the internet. LIVE fees make the 360 the most expensive console to own out of all consoles on the market today.

Lack of motion-sensing control...not solved. Poor 360. Unlike Wii or PS3, it has no montion control.

POOR performance in Japan and Europe...Not solved. The 360 is basically dead in Japan. We all know that. In Europe, despite a price cut earlier this year, the 360 is still struggling. In fact, it has been said that the 360 is struggling, clutching at straws. http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=147092. Now with the PS3 outselling the 360 in May and with June's monster of a game Metal Gear Solid 4, the future of the 360 in America only looks grimmer every month.

Inability to play Blu-ray movies...not solved. This is a big deal, even if you mostly care about games. The truth is most of us also like movies. The best sights and sounds produced by the movies are found in Blu-ray. The PS3 is the only console capable of bringing out the best sights and sounds in your living or bedroom.

Let's give credits to where credits are due. The PS3 gives you the most bang for the buck (best value), the best sights and soundsn(Cell and Blu-ray), and the most peace of mind (reliability and future-proof design).

dsmccracken

Ah, the life of a fanboy. In the TC's world, the Wii doesn't exist, the Sixaxis isn't a sham, (presumably) Sony provides it's userbase with free Dualshock 3 controllers, and one game makes a library.

Exactly.

[QUOTE="KOTORkicker"]

At least 360 and Wii don't solve their problems by using other consoles solutions. And why do people keep on saying its future-proof? Just because its future proof doesn't mean it will fare any better than Wii, 360 or PC, for that matter.

First Point Regarding X360 Unreliability : New chipsets have been released which rectify the RRoD problem, no-one really cares about noise, as everyone plays X360 at quite a high volume anyway, and too much heat? Right.....It produces as much (if not less) heat as both Wii and PS3.

Second Point : LoL at the fact that you say that 360 has low processing prower is a load of BS aswell.

Links to console Wiki's and System Specs:

X360 : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360

PS3 : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS3

Basically, the Systems are the same, but done with different hardware.

Its Hard Drive is a FireWire variation I believe, so in what way is it not a proper Hard Drive? You don't know? Thats what I thought.

Optical drive speeds are so insignificant, that the Wiki doesn't even list them.

Third Point : I think the fact that XBL has led and influenced the online console gaming market and provides the most services and best in game Messaging System more than justifies it.

Fourth Point : Lack of motion sensing? So the 360 doesn't ape the Wii and put motion sensing in their controller. Does that make it less noteworthy or a worse console? I don't think so and I don't think the rest of the 360 Gamers are bothered by it either.

Fifth Point : Microsoft never expected to do well in Japan, and so far I have actually noticed quite an abundancy of Asian gamers on XBL....Sony expect that everyone will love their console at first sight, unlike Microsoft.

So 360 has sold 19 Million since Late November, 05'. PS3 has sold 12.7 Million since January 06'. Do the math. (Links to these figures are also on the Wiki.)

....And your fifth point is irrelevant as Blu-Ray, as has been credited by marketing officials is, unless serious infrastructure revision is done, is fast becoming a dead format to the casual user. (You are talking about Blu-Ray being a unique selling point for PS3, when the actual selling point has to stem from casual demand, of which there is none, presently.

Mathematically, the 360 is the most popular console this gen, and PS3 is the least (19 Mil > 12.7 Mil) so you tell me how PS3 has less problems, from the perspective of a marketing official.

Sihanouk

Do you even know how to give credits where credits are due?

If the PS3 solves its problems using other console's methods, then so be it. It's better to have problems solved than not. Unfortunately, the 360 can't solved the problems I listed in anyway whatsoever.

Xbox unreliability: It's not true that new chipsets have been released that sovled the hardware issues. Why are you trying to spread misinformation. If that is the case, Microsoft and the press world would have made it loud and clear. The truth is the 360 is still the most unreliable console on the market. Face it.

The 360 has a significantly less powerful CPU than the PS3. That's why you will never get a large-number multiplayer game with open environments and decent graphics like the PS3. How often do you hear gaming sites say this game or that game is the most technoligically advanced game ever made? It didn't happen on the 360, but on the PS3 there's Metal Gear Solid 4.

Stop trying to spread misinformation again. You are being pathetic saying the PS3 and the 360 are basically the same. They not. The PS3 is superior in optical diskspace, faster CPU, and standard hard disk drive. Let's make a bet. You will never hear respected gaming sites say any game on the 360 as the most technoligcally advanced game ever. The PS3 already has Metal Gear Solid 4, this early in its life span. Why I am so certain that the 360 can't produce such a game? Because the 360 is signficantly inferior to the PS3. Period. Face reality.

Sure, I'll give credits to where credits are due: the 360 currently has a better online system. But is it worth the extra money? To many people, if not most, it isn't. That's why the 360's install base will be last place this generation. Most gamers are smart enough to know that LIVE fees make the 360 very expensive to own. Let's not forget that the PS3 network is definitely good enough for multiplayer gaming. Games such as GTA4 actually plays better on the PS3 according to Gamepro because the PS3 uses dedicated servers. Also, PSN is constantly being improved, and soon with HOME and in-game XMB, the PS3's value as a gaming system only gets better.

Fourth Point: Motion-sensing. You said the 360 owners aren't bothered by it. It's hard to be bothered by something you have never experieced. At the very least the PS3 controllers have additional means for developers to design control schemes in their games. Motion sensing is better than no motion sensing. Admit it. Face it.

Fifth point: The 360 came out 1 year earlier than the PS3, of course it's gonna have a larger install base. Remember Microsoft expecting to have a 10 million head start? Well, they never got it. It's about 6 million head start now. It's shrinking every week. The PS3 is winning the 360 in sales in every continent each week/month. For the 360, it's not a good sign. Face it. Admit it.

Mathemically, the Wii is the most popular this gen, and the 360 is doomed to be 3rd place. Most analysts have said the 360 will be dead last this generation. The PS3 might even beat the Wii when it's all over. Face it. Deal with it: The 360 will be dead last this generation.

So its completely ok to blatantly rip off other consoles, yes?

Get a life. PS3 is still in third place, and no the PS3 was released two months after the Xbox. 360 has shipped 19 Million. PS3 12.7 Million. Can fanboys do math?

And read the Wiki. They're the same specs with different hardware.

June is a very good month for the PS3. Let's take this moment to give credits where credits are due.

PS3 PROBLEMS:

Lack of killer exclusive...Solved. IGN gives Metal Gear Solid 4 perfect scores on all categories. Closing Comments:
Is it possible to give a game an 11? If so, this would be the game that would merit that score.

Consoles not selling well...Solved. The PS3 is now outselling the 360 in America, Europe, Japan, and Pluto. See this month's NPD numbers.

Lack of rumble...solved. The PS3 controller now has motion control and rumble.

Lack of DTS-HD Master audio...solved. The PS3 now produces the best sound in games and movies.

Negative Press...sovled. The PS3 is by far the most improved console this generation. The press is starting to give credits where credits are due. Arstechnica, a very respected tech-orieted site, gave the PS3 a 6 rating during the launch year. Now it gives the PS3 a 9. http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/playstation-3-blu-ray.ars

XBOX 360 PROBLEMS:

Reliability... Not solved. It is still the most unreliable console on the market. Red Ring of Death. Noisy. Too much heat.

Lack of very powerful CPU, standard hard disk drive, and high-capacity optical disk...Not solved. This makes the 360 the least future-proof of all HD-capable consoles. At the moment, next-generation is best defined by the PS3.

LIVE fees...not sovled. Still expensive considering every gaming platform, the PC, the Mac, PS2, PS3, Wii, DS, PSP all allow free multiplayer gaming over the internet. LIVE fees make the 360 the most expensive console to own out of all consoles on the market today.

Lack of motion-sensing control...not solved. Poor 360. Unlike Wii or PS3, it has no montion control.

POOR performance in Japan and Europe...Not solved. The 360 is basically dead in Japan. We all know that. In Europe, despite a price cut earlier this year, the 360 is still struggling. In fact, it has been said that the 360 is struggling, clutching at straws. http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=147092. Now with the PS3 outselling the 360 in May and with June's monster of a game Metal Gear Solid 4, the future of the 360 in America only looks grimmer every month.

Inability to play Blu-ray movies...not solved. This is a big deal, even if you mostly care about games. The truth is most of us also like movies. The best sights and sounds produced by the movies are found in Blu-ray. The PS3 is the only console capable of bringing out the best sights and sounds in your living or bedroom.

Let's give credits to where credits are due. The PS3 gives you the most bang for the buck (best value), the best sights and soundsn(Cell and Blu-ray), and the most peace of mind (reliability and future-proof design).

Sihanouk

poor fanboys...poor, poor fanboys..when wil you all grow up into gamers, when will you grow wings and liberate yourselfs from the stream of vomit that is fanboys extistance?

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

June is a very good month for the PS3. Let's take this moment to give credits where credits are due.

PS3 PROBLEMS:

Lack of killer exclusive...Solved. IGN gives Metal Gear Solid 4 perfect scores on all categories. Closing Comments:
Is it possible to give a game an 11? If so, this would be the game that would merit that score.

Consoles not selling well...Solved. The PS3 is now outselling the 360 in America, Europe, Japan, and Pluto. See this month's NPD numbers.

Lack of rumble...solved. The PS3 controller now has motion control and rumble.

Lack of DTS-HD Master audio...solved. The PS3 now produces the best sound in games and movies.

Negative Press...sovled. The PS3 is by far the most improved console this generation. The press is starting to give credits where credits are due. Arstechnica, a very respected tech-orieted site, gave the PS3 a 6 rating during the launch year. Now it gives the PS3 a 9. http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/playstation-3-blu-ray.ars

XBOX 360 PROBLEMS:

Reliability... Not solved. It is still the most unreliable console on the market. Red Ring of Death. Noisy. Too much heat.

Lack of very powerful CPU, standard hard disk drive, and high-capacity optical disk...Not solved. This makes the 360 the least future-proof of all HD-capable consoles. At the moment, next-generation is best defined by the PS3.

LIVE fees...not sovled. Still expensive considering every gaming platform, the PC, the Mac, PS2, PS3, Wii, DS, PSP all allow free multiplayer gaming over the internet. LIVE fees make the 360 the most expensive console to own out of all consoles on the market today.

Lack of motion-sensing control...not solved. Poor 360. Unlike Wii or PS3, it has no montion control.

POOR performance in Japan and Europe...Not solved. The 360 is basically dead in Japan. We all know that. In Europe, despite a price cut earlier this year, the 360 is still struggling. In fact, it has been said that the 360 is struggling, clutching at straws. http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=147092. Now with the PS3 outselling the 360 in May and with June's monster of a game Metal Gear Solid 4, the future of the 360 in America only looks grimmer every month.

Inability to play Blu-ray movies...not solved. This is a big deal, even if you mostly care about games. The truth is most of us also like movies. The best sights and sounds produced by the movies are found in Blu-ray. The PS3 is the only console capable of bringing out the best sights and sounds in your living or bedroom.

Let's give credits to where credits are due. The PS3 gives you the most bang for the buck (best value), the best sights and soundsn(Cell and Blu-ray), and the most peace of mind (reliability and future-proof design).

KOTORkicker

Ah, the life of a fanboy. In the TC's world, the Wii doesn't exist, the Sixaxis isn't a sham, (presumably) Sony provides it's userbase with free Dualshock 3 controllers, and one game makes a library.

Exactly.

[QUOTE="KOTORkicker"]

At least 360 and Wii don't solve their problems by using other consoles solutions. And why do people keep on saying its future-proof? Just because its future proof doesn't mean it will fare any better than Wii, 360 or PC, for that matter.

First Point Regarding X360 Unreliability : New chipsets have been released which rectify the RRoD problem, no-one really cares about noise, as everyone plays X360 at quite a high volume anyway, and too much heat? Right.....It produces as much (if not less) heat as both Wii and PS3.

Second Point : LoL at the fact that you say that 360 has low processing prower is a load of BS aswell.

Links to console Wiki's and System Specs:

X360 : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360

PS3 : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS3

Basically, the Systems are the same, but done with different hardware.

Its Hard Drive is a FireWire variation I believe, so in what way is it not a proper Hard Drive? You don't know? Thats what I thought.

Optical drive speeds are so insignificant, that the Wiki doesn't even list them.

Third Point : I think the fact that XBL has led and influenced the online console gaming market and provides the most services and best in game Messaging System more than justifies it.

Fourth Point : Lack of motion sensing? So the 360 doesn't ape the Wii and put motion sensing in their controller. Does that make it less noteworthy or a worse console? I don't think so and I don't think the rest of the 360 Gamers are bothered by it either.

Fifth Point : Microsoft never expected to do well in Japan, and so far I have actually noticed quite an abundancy of Asian gamers on XBL....Sony expect that everyone will love their console at first sight, unlike Microsoft.

So 360 has sold 19 Million since Late November, 05'. PS3 has sold 12.7 Million since January 06'. Do the math. (Links to these figures are also on the Wiki.)

....And your fifth point is irrelevant as Blu-Ray, as has been credited by marketing officials is, unless serious infrastructure revision is done, is fast becoming a dead format to the casual user. (You are talking about Blu-Ray being a unique selling point for PS3, when the actual selling point has to stem from casual demand, of which there is none, presently.

Mathematically, the 360 is the most popular console this gen, and PS3 is the least (19 Mil > 12.7 Mil) so you tell me how PS3 has less problems, from the perspective of a marketing official.

Sihanouk

Do you even know how to give credits where credits are due?

If the PS3 solves its problems using other console's methods, then so be it. It's better to have problems solved than not. Unfortunately, the 360 can't solved the problems I listed in anyway whatsoever.

Xbox unreliability: It's not true that new chipsets have been released that sovled the hardware issues. Why are you trying to spread misinformation. If that is the case, Microsoft and the press world would have made it loud and clear. The truth is the 360 is still the most unreliable console on the market. Face it.

The 360 has a significantly less powerful CPU than the PS3. That's why you will never get a large-number multiplayer game with open environments and decent graphics like the PS3. How often do you hear gaming sites say this game or that game is the most technoligically advanced game ever made? It didn't happen on the 360, but on the PS3 there's Metal Gear Solid 4.

Stop trying to spread misinformation again. You are being pathetic saying the PS3 and the 360 are basically the same. They not. The PS3 is superior in optical diskspace, faster CPU, and standard hard disk drive. Let's make a bet. You will never hear respected gaming sites say any game on the 360 as the most technoligcally advanced game ever. The PS3 already has Metal Gear Solid 4, this early in its life span. Why I am so certain that the 360 can't produce such a game? Because the 360 is signficantly inferior to the PS3. Period. Face reality.

Sure, I'll give credits to where credits are due: the 360 currently has a better online system. But is it worth the extra money? To many people, if not most, it isn't. That's why the 360's install base will be last place this generation. Most gamers are smart enough to know that LIVE fees make the 360 very expensive to own. Let's not forget that the PS3 network is definitely good enough for multiplayer gaming. Games such as GTA4 actually plays better on the PS3 according to Gamepro because the PS3 uses dedicated servers. Also, PSN is constantly being improved, and soon with HOME and in-game XMB, the PS3's value as a gaming system only gets better.

Fourth Point: Motion-sensing. You said the 360 owners aren't bothered by it. It's hard to be bothered by something you have never experieced. At the very least the PS3 controllers have additional means for developers to design control schemes in their games. Motion sensing is better than no motion sensing. Admit it. Face it.

Fifth point: The 360 came out 1 year earlier than the PS3, of course it's gonna have a larger install base. Remember Microsoft expecting to have a 10 million head start? Well, they never got it. It's about 6 million head start now. It's shrinking every week. The PS3 is winning the 360 in sales in every continent each week/month. For the 360, it's not a good sign. Face it. Admit it.

Mathemically, the Wii is the most popular this gen, and the 360 is doomed to be 3rd place. Most analysts have said the 360 will be dead last this generation. The PS3 might even beat the Wii when it's all over. Face it. Deal with it: The 360 will be dead last this generation.

So its completely ok to blatantly rip off other consoles, yes?

Get a life. PS3 is still in third place, and no the PS3 was released two months after the Xbox. 360 has shipped 19 Million. PS3 12.7 Million. Can fanboys do math?

And read the Wiki. They're the same specs with different hardware.

owned/thread

This has got to be one of the most ignorant threads I have ever read

Poor processing power for the 360, LMFAO

Do you relize that the almighty cell is the reason for its poor multiplat performance, and BOTH processors are "in-order" execution, making them about as technically complex as a pentium 1, learn about processors before posting stuff like that, awesomely funny

Man, one game, one game does awesome on PS3, and it goes from lacking quality software, to the monster console, n othing has changed people, the PS3 is STILL lacking quality exclusives, it has one, calm down, and before you start blowing your horn, relize every current gaming platform available right now, including handhelds, has better games, thats a fact

Wow. System wars is back to normal. Welcome back arrogant cows. You are so much more fun than the whiny cows.

Whiny fanboys=No fun

Arrogant fanboys that will make dumb outrageous comments= Awesome sauce.

This thread=Weak sauce.

Wow. System wars is back to normal. Welcome back arrogant cows. You are so much more fun than the whiny cows.

Whiny fanboys=No fun

Arrogant fanboys that will make dumb outrageous comments= Awesome sauce.

This thread=Weak sauce.

heretrix

June is a very good month for the PS3. Let's take this moment to give credits where credits are due.

PS3 PROBLEMS:

Lack of killer exclusive...Solved. IGN gives Metal Gear Solid 4 perfect scores on all categories. Closing Comments:
Is it possible to give a game an 11? If so, this would be the game that would merit that score.

Consoles not selling well...Solved. The PS3 is now outselling the 360 in America, Europe, Japan, and Pluto. See this month's NPD numbers.

Lack of rumble...solved. The PS3 controller now has motion control and rumble.

Lack of DTS-HD Master audio...solved. The PS3 now produces the best sound in games and movies.

Negative Press...sovled. The PS3 is by far the most improved console this generation. The press is starting to give credits where credits are due. Arstechnica, a very respected tech-orieted site, gave the PS3 a 6 rating during the launch year. Now it gives the PS3 a 9. http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/playstation-3-blu-ray.ars

XBOX 360 PROBLEMS:

Reliability... Not solved. It is still the most unreliable console on the market. Red Ring of Death. Noisy. Too much heat.

Lack of very powerful CPU, standard hard disk drive, and high-capacity optical disk...Not solved. This makes the 360 the least future-proof of all HD-capable consoles. At the moment, next-generation is best defined by the PS3.

LIVE fees...not sovled. Still expensive considering every gaming platform, the PC, the Mac, PS2, PS3, Wii, DS, PSP all allow free multiplayer gaming over the internet. LIVE fees make the 360 the most expensive console to own out of all consoles on the market today.

Lack of motion-sensing control...not solved. Poor 360. Unlike Wii or PS3, it has no montion control.

POOR performance in Japan and Europe...Not solved. The 360 is basically dead in Japan. We all know that. In Europe, despite a price cut earlier this year, the 360 is still struggling. In fact, it has been said that the 360 is struggling, clutching at straws. http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=147092. Now with the PS3 outselling the 360 in May and with June's monster of a game Metal Gear Solid 4, the future of the 360 in America only looks grimmer every month.

Inability to play Blu-ray movies...not solved. This is a big deal, even if you mostly care about games. The truth is most of us also like movies. The best sights and sounds produced by the movies are found in Blu-ray. The PS3 is the only console capable of bringing out the best sights and sounds in your living or bedroom.

Let's give credits to where credits are due. The PS3 gives you the most bang for the buck (best value), the best sights and soundsn(Cell and Blu-ray), and the most peace of mind (reliability and future-proof design).

Sihanouk

PS3 may have a killer exclusive, but it still needs more AAAE games.

The PS3 is still vying in sales with the Xbox 360 on a month by month basis, but it needs to really stretch out the difference in sales if it wants to overtake the much larger user base in America, but it is undoubtedly doing extremely well in Europe.

I wouldn't say rumble is a problem that is sorted, since those who bought Sixaxis controls would need to fork out extra cash to get the new Dualshock 3 controller.

Yes, it seems the PS3 has managed to turn a lot of critics around.

Xbox 360

The Jasper chipset should improve reliability. Again, this is not a fix since its release will be just over 3 years after the original's release. This means some people will have had their warranties wear out and people would need to buy a new console to take advantage of this improvement.

CPU power, HDD and Blu-Ray have not become playing factors yet. Should the PS3 definatively show that it has much more powerful games, then these will become issues.

Live is a premium service. Some people, like myself, do not see the point, but for regular online players, there seems to be a good demand for it and it will only become a problem when PSN is just as good as it.

Motion Control? Can you name me even 3 games that actually just used this feature in a meaningful way?

Agreed, the Xbox 360 is quickly losing its grasp in Europe and never had a chance in Japan.

When it comes to movies, this is not a problem for everyone since movies are an optional desire for most people.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

Wow. System wars is back to normal. Welcome back arrogant cows. You are so much more fun than the whiny cows.

Whiny fanboys=No fun

Arrogant fanboys that will make dumb outrageous comments= Awesome sauce.

This thread=Weak sauce.

angelkimne

You can't. It just shows up in a bottle on your table. You don't pick awesome sauce, it picks you.

:P

[QUOTE="angelkimne"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

Wow. System wars is back to normal. Welcome back arrogant cows. You are so much more fun than the whiny cows.

Whiny fanboys=No fun

Arrogant fanboys that will make dumb outrageous comments= Awesome sauce.

This thread=Weak sauce.

heretrix

You can't. It just shows up in a bottle on your table. You don't pick awesome sauce, it picks you.

:P

........... the same can be said for hemeroids if you know what I mean.

[QUOTE="angelkimne"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

Wow. System wars is back to normal. Welcome back arrogant cows. You are so much more fun than the whiny cows.

Whiny fanboys=No fun

Arrogant fanboys that will make dumb outrageous comments= Awesome sauce.

This thread=Weak sauce.

heretrix

You can't. It just shows up in a bottle on your table. You don't pick awesome sauce, it picks you.

:P

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Lets give credit where it is due: I use the 360 more than either my PS3 or my Wii. Ain't preferences fun?GUNpoint_

Looks like you missed my other points defending the PS3, or you ignored them. And the 360 has issues with reliability, true. Does not mean I cannot play great games on it.

Hiding behind RRoD is about as noble as hiding behind the "no good PS3 games" argument or the "Wii shovelware" argument. They are absurd and are a shield against usually valid points.

All the systems are and will continue to be great systems with amazing lineups.

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="angelkimne"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

Wow. System wars is back to normal. Welcome back arrogant cows. You are so much more fun than the whiny cows.

Whiny fanboys=No fun

Arrogant fanboys that will make dumb outrageous comments= Awesome sauce.

This thread=Weak sauce.

donwoogie

You can't. It just shows up in a bottle on your table. You don't pick awesome sauce, it picks you.

:P

........... the same can be said for hemeroids if you know what I mean.

NO I DON'T. What did you hear?

lol.

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="angelkimne"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

Wow. System wars is back to normal. Welcome back arrogant cows. You are so much more fun than the whiny cows.

Whiny fanboys=No fun

Arrogant fanboys that will make dumb outrageous comments= Awesome sauce.

This thread=Weak sauce.

angelkimne

You can't. It just shows up in a bottle on your table. You don't pick awesome sauce, it picks you.

:P

I'll let you know when I find out.

June is a very good month for the PS3. Let's take this moment to give credits where credits are due.

PS3 PROBLEMS:

Lack of killer exclusive...Solved. IGN gives Metal Gear Solid 4 perfect scores on all categories. Closing Comments:
Is it possible to give a game an 11? If so, this would be the game that would merit that score.

Consoles not selling well...Solved. The PS3 is now outselling the 360 in America, Europe, Japan, and Pluto. See this month's NPD numbers.

Lack of rumble...solved. The PS3 controller now has motion control and rumble.

Lack of DTS-HD Master audio...solved. The PS3 now produces the best sound in games and movies.

Negative Press...sovled. The PS3 is by far the most improved console this generation. The press is starting to give credits where credits are due. Arstechnica, a very respected tech-orieted site, gave the PS3 a 6 rating during the launch year. Now it gives the PS3 a 9. http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/playstation-3-blu-ray.ars

XBOX 360 PROBLEMS:

Reliability... Not solved. It is still the most unreliable console on the market. Red Ring of Death. Noisy. Too much heat.

Lack of very powerful CPU, standard hard disk drive, and high-capacity optical disk...Not solved. This makes the 360 the least future-proof of all HD-capable consoles. At the moment, next-generation is best defined by the PS3.

LIVE fees...not sovled. Still expensive considering every gaming platform, the PC, the Mac, PS2, PS3, Wii, DS, PSP all allow free multiplayer gaming over the internet. LIVE fees make the 360 the most expensive console to own out of all consoles on the market today.

Lack of motion-sensing control...not solved. Poor 360. Unlike Wii or PS3, it has no montion control.

POOR performance in Japan and Europe...Not solved. The 360 is basically dead in Japan. We all know that. In Europe, despite a price cut earlier this year, the 360 is still struggling. In fact, it has been said that the 360 is struggling, clutching at straws. http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=147092. Now with the PS3 outselling the 360 in May and with June's monster of a game Metal Gear Solid 4, the future of the 360 in America only looks grimmer every month.

Inability to play Blu-ray movies...not solved. This is a big deal, even if you mostly care about games. The truth is most of us also like movies. The best sights and sounds produced by the movies are found in Blu-ray. The PS3 is the only console capable of bringing out the best sights and sounds in your living or bedroom.

Let's give credits to where credits are due. The PS3 gives you the most bang for the buck (best value), the best sights and soundsn(Cell and Blu-ray), and the most peace of mind (reliability and future-proof design).

Sihanouk

some harsh truths but, it is what it is

"Lack of motion-sensing control...not solved. Poor 360. Unlike Wii or PS3, it has no montion control."

Uh.... Whats this gotta do with anything?

PS3s biggest game, doesn't even use motion control? (Not that I've seen) Correct me if im wrong.

Forgive my inabililty to use quote tags.

June is a very good month for the PS3. Let's take this moment to give credits where credits are due.

PS3 PROBLEMS:

Lack of killer exclusive...Solved. IGN gives Metal Gear Solid 4 perfect scores on all categories. Closing Comments:
Is it possible to give a game an 11? If so, this would be the game that would merit that score.

Consoles not selling well...Solved. The PS3 is now outselling the 360 in America, Europe, Japan, and Pluto. See this month's NPD numbers.

Lack of rumble...solved. The PS3 controller now has motion control and rumble.

Lack of DTS-HD Master audio...solved. The PS3 now produces the best sound in games and movies.

Negative Press...sovled. The PS3 is by far the most improved console this generation. The press is starting to give credits where credits are due. Arstechnica, a very respected tech-orieted site, gave the PS3 a 6 rating during the launch year. Now it gives the PS3 a 9. http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/playstation-3-blu-ray.ars

XBOX 360 PROBLEMS:

Reliability... Not solved. It is still the most unreliable console on the market. Red Ring of Death. Noisy. Too much heat.

Lack of very powerful CPU, standard hard disk drive, and high-capacity optical disk...Not solved. This makes the 360 the least future-proof of all HD-capable consoles. At the moment, next-generation is best defined by the PS3.

LIVE fees...not sovled. Still expensive considering every gaming platform, the PC, the Mac, PS2, PS3, Wii, DS, PSP all allow free multiplayer gaming over the internet. LIVE fees make the 360 the most expensive console to own out of all consoles on the market today.

Lack of motion-sensing control...not solved. Poor 360. Unlike Wii or PS3, it has no montion control.

POOR performance in Japan and Europe...Not solved. The 360 is basically dead in Japan. We all know that. In Europe, despite a price cut earlier this year, the 360 is still struggling. In fact, it has been said that the 360 is struggling, clutching at straws. http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=147092. Now with the PS3 outselling the 360 in May and with June's monster of a game Metal Gear Solid 4, the future of the 360 in America only looks grimmer every month.

Inability to play Blu-ray movies...not solved. This is a big deal, even if you mostly care about games. The truth is most of us also like movies. The best sights and sounds produced by the movies are found in Blu-ray. The PS3 is the only console capable of bringing out the best sights and sounds in your living or bedroom.

Let's give credits to where credits are due. The PS3 gives you the most bang for the buck (best value), the best sights and soundsn(Cell and Blu-ray), and the most peace of mind (reliability and future-proof design).

Sihanouk

PS3: Lack of powerful gpu? Not solved and will never be

PS3 RAM limitations? Not solved and will never be

Only one awesome exclusive great game for ps3? Problem solved according to our naive poster... LOLOLOLOLOLOL