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I remember SEGA having a pretty strong brand name in the 90s. Failure can happen to any company, deal with it.Darth mattSega died a long, slow death beginning with the end of the Genesis era. That's a completely different situation from the PS3's superficial PR screwups.
The PS3 can play new games. If I were a company, lets say Blizzard making a game for all systems, only a PC with upgrades and a PS3 could play it. And Blizzard is one hell of a company, they probably have the best games out.aznwarlordNot really. Blizzard likes to make very graphically simple but aesthetically beautiful games. None of their games have ever stressed computer performance. Their games are perfect examples of how artistry trumps graphics every time. But that's a completely different topic.
N64 begs to differ....Spartan070Again, in that generation, Nintendo basically shoved its customers and its developers onto the PS1. As dumb as Sony's been, they haven't been asking developers to pay MASSIVE licensing costs to the point where games would have to cost $70-80 like Nintendo did in the N64 days, and Sony didn't stick to a format that was very clearly outdated and expensive (i.e. cartridges)
Nintendo has more recognition and always will as lond as they are in the console and handheld race. Plus a lot of those "multigenerational franchises" like RE and GTA are now multiplat.Spartan070GTA isn't multigenerational yet. Well, technically it is, but so far it's only found success in one generation.
[QUOTE="Spartan070"]Nintendo has more recognition and always will as lond as they are in the console and handheld race. Plus a lot of those "multigenerational franchises" like RE and GTA are now multiplat.magus-21GTA isn't multigenerational yet. Well, technically it is, but so far it's only found success in one generation. You don't think GTA 4 will be successful?
Nintendo has more recognition and always will as lond as they are in the console and handheld race. Plus a lot of those "multigenerational franchises" like RE and GTA are now multiplat.Spartan070
So?
How many copies of GTA: SA sell on the PS2 compared to the XBOX? Oh ya that's right no XBOX game even broke 10million copies sold :lol: While GTA: SA sold what 14+ MILLION?
Nintendo ruled gaming, and the N64 didn't do so hot, and the Gamecube was even worse.Nintendo didn't rule gaming. The Genesis actually overtook the SNES until the very last years of that rivalry. The NES ruled gaming, but it had no competitors. Sega died a long, slow death after the Genesis. It didn't tank in a single generation. Not sure about what killed Atari, but it surely wasn't something as superficial as PR blunders.
Sega got rolled, Atari tanked.
Names don't sell systems, software does.
SpruceCaboose
[QUOTE="Spartan070"]Nintendo has more recognition and always will as lond as they are in the console and handheld race. Plus a lot of those "multigenerational franchises" like RE and GTA are now multiplat.-supercharged-
So?
How many copies of GTA: SA sell on the PS2 compared to the XBOX? Oh ya that's right no XBOX game even broke 10million copies sold :lol: While GTA: SA sold what 14+ MILLION?
Good luck betting on 3 year old sales figures, lets see which version of GTA4 sells the most...[QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="Spartan070"]Nintendo has more recognition and always will as lond as they are in the console and handheld race. Plus a lot of those "multigenerational franchises" like RE and GTA are now multiplat.JandurinGTA isn't multigenerational yet. Well, technically it is, but so far it's only found success in one generation. You don't think GTA 4 will be successful? GTA4 isn't out yet, hence GTA isn't a multigenerational franchise yet. I said "technically" because "technically" GTA's existed on the PC since the mid-90s, but so far hasn't found any success outside of the PS2 generation. I'm not counting this newest generation yet because it's too early in its cycle.
That said, it won't be a landslide like the last two generations. Unlike the PS1 generation, where Nintendo basically pushed all of its customers onto the PS1, and unlike the PS2 generation, where DVD carried PS2 sales for the first year or two, the PS3 has only brandname to rely on. IMO, PS3 @35%, Wii @ 33%, and 360 @ 32% will be the division of marketshare this generation.magus-21
If the PS3 fails to sell as much as the PS2, then it will be a failure.
The PS3 having 35% marketshare is an utter failure for Sony. Tons of marketshare would have been lost.
Nintendo ruled gaming, and the N64 didn't do so hot, and the Gamecube was even worse.Nintendo didn't rule gaming. The Genesis actually overtook the SNES until the very last years of that rivalry. Sega died a long, slow death after the Genesis generation. Not sure about what killed Atari, but it surely wasn't something as superficial as PR blunders.
Sega got rolled, Atari tanked.
Names don't sell systems, software does.
SpruceCaboose
I remember SEGA having a pretty strong brand name in the 90s. Failure can happen to any company, deal with it.Darth mattNo Segas brand name was still not very strong, Nintendo beat them, and PS1 beat Sega because it appealed to an older audience and got them into gaming. This expanded the gaming market big time.
[QUOTE="Spartan070"]Nintendo has more recognition and always will as lond as they are in the console and handheld race. Plus a lot of those "multigenerational franchises" like RE and GTA are now multiplat.-supercharged-
So?
How many copies of GTA: SA sell on the PS2 compared to the XBOX? Oh ya that's right no XBOX game even broke 10million copies sold :lol: While GTA: SA sold what 14+ MILLION?
I can guarantee you that a higher percentage of Xbox owners bought GTA SA than did PS2 owners.
It's the attach ratio that counts. ;)
[QUOTE="Darth matt"]I remember SEGA having a pretty strong brand name in the 90s. Failure can happen to any company, deal with it.navneet21Sega is nothing compare too Sony.... or thats what I thinkI think you miss the point. Sega was huge in the 90s. It had tons of dev support, a good brand name, and a large user base. But they started to loose it once the PS1 showed up. It happend to sega, it can happen to any company.
I agree that the PS3 will win again this gen and that it will be a MUCH closer race than last gen... but I think that Ninty will come in second, not Microsoft.
Overall, I think that it will be a great gen for gamers though.... irregardless of your favorite console.
[QUOTE="-supercharged-"][QUOTE="Spartan070"]Nintendo has more recognition and always will as lond as they are in the console and handheld race. Plus a lot of those "multigenerational franchises" like RE and GTA are now multiplat.LosDaddie
So?
How many copies of GTA: SA sell on the PS2 compared to the XBOX? Oh ya that's right no XBOX game even broke 10million copies sold :lol: While GTA: SA sold what 14+ MILLION?
I can guarantee you that a higher percentage of Xbox owners bought GTA SA than did PS2 owners.
It's the attach ratio that counts. ;)
attach ratio :lol:!!!!
Nintendo ruled gaming, and the N64 didn't do so hot, and the Gamecube was even worse.Nintendo didn't rule gaming. The Genesis actually overtook the SNES until the very last years of that rivalry. Sega died a long, slow death after the Genesis generation. Not sure about what killed Atari, but it surely wasn't something as superficial as PR blunders.
Sega got rolled, Atari tanked.
Names don't sell systems, software does.
SpruceCaboose
[QUOTE="navneet21"][QUOTE="Darth matt"]I remember SEGA having a pretty strong brand name in the 90s. Failure can happen to any company, deal with it.Darth mattSega is nothing compare too Sony.... or thats what I thinkI think you miss the point. Sega was huge in the 90s. It had tons of dev support, a good brand name, and a large user base. But they started to loose it once the PS1 showed up. It happend to sega, it can happen to any company.
[QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="Telekill"]I see PS3 winning this generation also. Where many competitor supporters see it as a flopped system, it has been doing better than any previous Playstation before it. There is an overwhelming demand for it in EU regardless of the high price. I think that we all need to just sit back and see what happens instead of making up lame threads stating that different systems will flop. The fanboyism is out of control on forums across the net.SpruceCaboose
Nintendo ruled gaming, and the N64 didn't do so hot, and the Gamecube was even worse.Nintendo didn't rule gaming. The Genesis actually overtook the SNES until the very last years of that rivalry. Sega died a long, slow death after the Genesis generation. Not sure about what killed Atari, but it surely wasn't something as superficial as PR blunders.
Sega got rolled, Atari tanked.
Names don't sell systems, software does.
SpruceCaboose
Actually most ppl don't think of Mario when they think of video games... a lot of us grew up to Mario, but he's hardly the game that jumps to mind when I think of video games. And Atari died b/c of software support, Sony is still getting plenty of that... get it right.
The brand-name is just too strong to double-up and die. As bad as all these PR screw-ups have been, they are still only that: PR screw-ups. Sony still has third-party support, it still has more brandname recognition than either the Xbox or Nintendo brandnames, and it still has the strongest multigenerational franchises under its thumb. PR can be fixed in a matter of months, and the public will ignore any PR screwup once those big-name Final Fantasies, MGS's, etc. start coming out. That said, it won't be a landslide like the last two generations. Unlike the PS1 generation, where Nintendo basically pushed all of its customers onto the PS1, and unlike the PS2 generation, where DVD carried PS2 sales for the first year or two, the PS3 has only brandname to rely on. IMO, PS3 @35%, Wii @ 33%, and 360 @ 32% will be the division of marketshare this generation.magus-21
First point "The brand name is too strong to double-up and die" See "Nintendo 64"
Second point (summed up) "Sony has the best games and franchises" See "Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Halo, Gears of War"
Third point "It's just a PR screw-up" See "No it's not, it's a system screw-up" see also "$600 console"
Final point "I predict the PS3 will win" See "Sony Fanboy"
[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="-supercharged-"][QUOTE="Spartan070"]Nintendo has more recognition and always will as lond as they are in the console and handheld race. Plus a lot of those "multigenerational franchises" like RE and GTA are now multiplat.-supercharged-
So?
How many copies of GTA: SA sell on the PS2 compared to the XBOX? Oh ya that's right no XBOX game even broke 10million copies sold :lol: While GTA: SA sold what 14+ MILLION?
I can guarantee you that a higher percentage of Xbox owners bought GTA SA than did PS2 owners.
It's the attach ratio that counts. ;)
attach ratio :lol:!!!!
...yes, attach ratio....The brand-name is just too strong to double-up and die. As bad as all these PR screw-ups have been, they are still only that: PR screw-ups. Sony still has third-party support, it still has more brandname recognition than either the Xbox or Nintendo brandnames, and it still has the strongest multigenerational franchises under its thumb. PR can be fixed in a matter of months, and the public will ignore any PR screwup once those big-name Final Fantasies, MGS's, etc. start coming out. That said, it won't be a landslide like the last two generations. Unlike the PS1 generation, where Nintendo basically pushed all of its customers onto the PS1, and unlike the PS2 generation, where DVD carried PS2 sales for the first year or two, the PS3 has only brandname to rely on. IMO, PS3 @35%, Wii @ 33%, and 360 @ 32% will be the division of marketshare this generation.magus-21
Possibily, but they will not have more then 40% market share this time which is still a gigantic loss for Sony and a huge victory for MS and Nintendo. Next gen will be completely up in the air.
[QUOTE="-supercharged-"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="-supercharged-"][QUOTE="Spartan070"]Nintendo has more recognition and always will as lond as they are in the console and handheld race. Plus a lot of those "multigenerational franchises" like RE and GTA are now multiplat.Spartan070
So?
How many copies of GTA: SA sell on the PS2 compared to the XBOX? Oh ya that's right no XBOX game even broke 10million copies sold :lol: While GTA: SA sold what 14+ MILLION?
I can guarantee you that a higher percentage of Xbox owners bought GTA SA than did PS2 owners.
It's the attach ratio that counts. ;)
attach ratio :lol:!!!!
...yes, attach ratio....:lol: sorry to break it to ya kid but 15 MILLION COPIES SOLD! Outbeats any little attach ratio.
I remember SEGA having a pretty strong brand name in the 90s. Failure can happen to any company, deal with it.Darth mattsega didnt have that strong of a brand name like nintendo... and defenetely not as strong as Sony.. their is everything Sony, cd players, cd, tv, dvd, music etc.. and everyone loves it... thread maker has a very very very good point. but in the end it all comes down to the gamers that are actually buying the system as of now ps3 dont appeal to me and to many gamers i know in real life. most of my friends didnt like xbox 1 but with 360 2/3 of them have or are planning on getting the 360, 1 of them have a ps3 and 1 is planning on getting it in the future including me 3yrs from now and 1/3 have a wii. if ps3 continues with this threand then i see it failing.
[QUOTE="magus-21"]The brand-name is just too strong to double-up and die. As bad as all these PR screw-ups have been, they are still only that: PR screw-ups. Sony still has third-party support, it still has more brandname recognition than either the Xbox or Nintendo brandnames, and it still has the strongest multigenerational franchises under its thumb. PR can be fixed in a matter of months, and the public will ignore any PR screwup once those big-name Final Fantasies, MGS's, etc. start coming out. That said, it won't be a landslide like the last two generations. Unlike the PS1 generation, where Nintendo basically pushed all of its customers onto the PS1, and unlike the PS2 generation, where DVD carried PS2 sales for the first year or two, the PS3 has only brandname to rely on. IMO, PS3 @35%, Wii @ 33%, and 360 @ 32% will be the division of marketshare this generation.Nova_Mongoose
First point "The brand name is too strong to double-up and die" See "Nintendo 64"
Second point (summed up) "Sony has the best games and franchises" See "Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Halo, Gears of War"
Third point "It's just a PR screw-up" See "No it's not, it's a system screw-up" see also "$600 console"
Final point "I predict the PS3 will win" See "Sony Fanboy"
1) See my point about how Nintendo abused third-parties to the point of abandonment. 2) I didn't say "best games and franchises," I said "the strongest multigenerational franchises." Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and Halo are all well and good, but they don't compare to the strength of Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo, MGS, etc. The strongest PlayStation franchises routinely sell into the 8-10 million range. Nintendo's best-selling franchise on the GCN topped out at 6 million, and the Xbox's strongest franchise, Halo, topped out at 7 million. And Halo was the ONLY Xbox franchise to sell over 5 million. 3) You'll have to be more elaborate with your response on this. Prices drop, after all. 4) Go read my posting history, jack***.[QUOTE="Nova_Mongoose"][QUOTE="magus-21"]The brand-name is just too strong to double-up and die. As bad as all these PR screw-ups have been, they are still only that: PR screw-ups. Sony still has third-party support, it still has more brandname recognition than either the Xbox or Nintendo brandnames, and it still has the strongest multigenerational franchises under its thumb. PR can be fixed in a matter of months, and the public will ignore any PR screwup once those big-name Final Fantasies, MGS's, etc. start coming out. That said, it won't be a landslide like the last two generations. Unlike the PS1 generation, where Nintendo basically pushed all of its customers onto the PS1, and unlike the PS2 generation, where DVD carried PS2 sales for the first year or two, the PS3 has only brandname to rely on. IMO, PS3 @35%, Wii @ 33%, and 360 @ 32% will be the division of marketshare this generation.magus-21
First point "The brand name is too strong to double-up and die" See "Nintendo 64"
Second point (summed up) "Sony has the best games and franchises" See "Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Halo, Gears of War"
Third point "It's just a PR screw-up" See "No it's not, it's a system screw-up" see also "$600 console"
Final point "I predict the PS3 will win" See "Sony Fanboy"
1) See my point about how Nintendo abused third-parties to the point of abandonment. 2) I didn't say "best games and franchises," I said "the strongest multigenerational franchises." Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and Halo are all well and good, but they don't compare to the strength of Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo, MGS, etc. The strongest PlayStation franchises routinely sell into the 8-10 million range. Nintendo's best-selling franchise on the GCN topped out at 6 million, and the Xbox's strongest franchise, Halo, topped out at 7 million. And Halo was the ONLY Xbox franchise to sell over 5 million. 3) You'll have to be more elaborate with your response on this. Prices drop, after all. 4) Go read my posting history, jack***. Just so you know, Nintendo's "multigenerational franchises" have surpassed Disney in name recognition and influence in pop culture. Neither Sony or MS come close. Personally, I've never had Solid Snake cereal for breakfast.Please Log In to post.
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