PS3 will still most likely win this console war

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#1 magus-21
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The brand-name is just too strong to double-up and die. As bad as all these PR screw-ups have been, they are still only that: PR screw-ups. Sony still has third-party support, it still has more brandname recognition than either the Xbox or Nintendo brandnames, and it still has the strongest multigenerational franchises under its thumb. PR can be fixed in a matter of months, and the public will ignore any PR screwup once those big-name Final Fantasies, MGS's, etc. start coming out. That said, it won't be a landslide like the last two generations. Unlike the PS1 generation, where Nintendo basically pushed all of its customers onto the PS1, and unlike the PS2 generation, where DVD carried PS2 sales for the first year or two, the PS3 has only brandname to rely on. IMO, PS3 @35%, Wii @ 33%, and 360 @ 32% will be the division of marketshare this generation.
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I remember SEGA having a pretty strong brand name in the 90s. Failure can happen to any company, deal with it.
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I remember SEGA having a pretty strong brand name in the 90s. Failure can happen to any company, deal with it.Darth matt
Sega died a long, slow death beginning with the end of the Genesis era. That's a completely different situation from the PS3's superficial PR screwups.
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The PS3 can play new games. If I were a company, lets say Blizzard making a game for all systems, only a PC with upgrades and a PS3 could play it. And Blizzard is one hell of a company, they probably have the best games out.
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Won't die, but won't win.
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I remember SEGA having a pretty strong brand name in the 90s. Failure can happen to any company, deal with it.Darth matt
Sega is nothing compare too Sony.... or thats what I think
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    Nintendo ruled gaming, and the N64 didn't do so hot, and the Gamecube was even worse.
    Sega got rolled, Atari tanked.
    Names don't sell systems, software does.
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N64 begs to differ....
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Can you tell me the winning lotto numbers?
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#11 Telekill
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I see PS3 winning this generation also. Where many competitor supporters see it as a flopped system, it has been doing better than any previous Playstation before it. There is an overwhelming demand for it in EU regardless of the high price. I think that we all need to just sit back and see what happens instead of making up lame threads stating that different systems will flop. The fanboyism is out of control on forums across the net.
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]Won't die, but won't win.BlueCash

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What exactly is the prize for winning this war anyways? And whats the Penalty for losing?

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Nintendo has more recognition and always will as lond as they are in the console and handheld race. Plus a lot of those "multigenerational franchises" like RE and GTA are now multiplat.
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The PS3 can play new games. If I were a company, lets say Blizzard making a game for all systems, only a PC with upgrades and a PS3 could play it. And Blizzard is one hell of a company, they probably have the best games out.aznwarlord
Not really. Blizzard likes to make very graphically simple but aesthetically beautiful games. None of their games have ever stressed computer performance. Their games are perfect examples of how artistry trumps graphics every time. But that's a completely different topic.
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PS3 will beat XBOX 360 yes. But Wii is going to be #1 this gen.

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[QUOTE="Telekill"]I see PS3 winning this generation also. Where many competitor supporters see it as a flopped system, it has been doing better than any previous Playstation before it. There is an overwhelming demand for it in EU regardless of the high price. I think that we all need to just sit back and see what happens instead of making up lame threads stating that different systems will flop. The fanboyism is out of control on forums across the net.


    There was overwhelming demand for it everywhere before it launched. The people who preorder are the hardcore crowd. We judge initial success, the casuals which are currently not buying the PS3 anywhere determine continued success.
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Brand loyalty can faulter, and you can't tell the future.

/ thread.

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#20 magus-21
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N64 begs to differ....Spartan070
Again, in that generation, Nintendo basically shoved its customers and its developers onto the PS1. As dumb as Sony's been, they haven't been asking developers to pay MASSIVE licensing costs to the point where games would have to cost $70-80 like Nintendo did in the N64 days, and Sony didn't stick to a format that was very clearly outdated and expensive (i.e. cartridges)
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Nintendo has more recognition and always will as lond as they are in the console and handheld race. Plus a lot of those "multigenerational franchises" like RE and GTA are now multiplat.Spartan070
GTA isn't multigenerational yet. Well, technically it is, but so far it's only found success in one generation.
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[QUOTE="Spartan070"]Nintendo has more recognition and always will as lond as they are in the console and handheld race. Plus a lot of those "multigenerational franchises" like RE and GTA are now multiplat.magus-21
GTA isn't multigenerational yet. Well, technically it is, but so far it's only found success in one generation.

You don't think GTA 4 will be successful?
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Nintendo has more recognition and always will as lond as they are in the console and handheld race. Plus a lot of those "multigenerational franchises" like RE and GTA are now multiplat.Spartan070

So?

How many copies of GTA: SA sell on the PS2 compared to the XBOX? Oh ya that's right no XBOX game even broke 10million copies sold :lol: While GTA: SA sold what 14+ MILLION?

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[QUOTE="Telekill"]I see PS3 winning this generation also. Where many competitor supporters see it as a flopped system, it has been doing better than any previous Playstation before it. There is an overwhelming demand for it in EU regardless of the high price. I think that we all need to just sit back and see what happens instead of making up lame threads stating that different systems will flop. The fanboyism is out of control on forums across the net.

Nintendo ruled gaming, and the N64 didn't do so hot, and the Gamecube was even worse.
Sega got rolled, Atari tanked.
Names don't sell systems, software does.
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Nintendo didn't rule gaming. The Genesis actually overtook the SNES until the very last years of that rivalry. The NES ruled gaming, but it had no competitors. Sega died a long, slow death after the Genesis. It didn't tank in a single generation. Not sure about what killed Atari, but it surely wasn't something as superficial as PR blunders.
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[QUOTE="Spartan070"]Nintendo has more recognition and always will as lond as they are in the console and handheld race. Plus a lot of those "multigenerational franchises" like RE and GTA are now multiplat.-supercharged-

So?

How many copies of GTA: SA sell on the PS2 compared to the XBOX? Oh ya that's right no XBOX game even broke 10million copies sold :lol: While GTA: SA sold what 14+ MILLION?

Good luck betting on 3 year old sales figures, lets see which version of GTA4 sells the most...
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[QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="Spartan070"]Nintendo has more recognition and always will as lond as they are in the console and handheld race. Plus a lot of those "multigenerational franchises" like RE and GTA are now multiplat.Jandurin
GTA isn't multigenerational yet. Well, technically it is, but so far it's only found success in one generation.

You don't think GTA 4 will be successful?

GTA4 isn't out yet, hence GTA isn't a multigenerational franchise yet. I said "technically" because "technically" GTA's existed on the PC since the mid-90s, but so far hasn't found any success outside of the PS2 generation. I'm not counting this newest generation yet because it's too early in its cycle.
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That said, it won't be a landslide like the last two generations. Unlike the PS1 generation, where Nintendo basically pushed all of its customers onto the PS1, and unlike the PS2 generation, where DVD carried PS2 sales for the first year or two, the PS3 has only brandname to rely on. IMO, PS3 @35%, Wii @ 33%, and 360 @ 32% will be the division of marketshare this generation.magus-21

If the PS3 fails to sell as much as the PS2, then it will be a failure.

The PS3 having 35% marketshare is an utter failure for Sony. Tons of marketshare would have been lost.

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[QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="Telekill"]I see PS3 winning this generation also. Where many competitor supporters see it as a flopped system, it has been doing better than any previous Playstation before it. There is an overwhelming demand for it in EU regardless of the high price. I think that we all need to just sit back and see what happens instead of making up lame threads stating that different systems will flop. The fanboyism is out of control on forums across the net.

Nintendo ruled gaming, and the N64 didn't do so hot, and the Gamecube was even worse.
Sega got rolled, Atari tanked.
Names don't sell systems, software does.
SpruceCaboose
Nintendo didn't rule gaming. The Genesis actually overtook the SNES until the very last years of that rivalry. Sega died a long, slow death after the Genesis generation. Not sure about what killed Atari, but it surely wasn't something as superficial as PR blunders.


    What the heck do you consider the NES? It is the only reason gaming survived the crash in 1983. It is the only reason gaming went mainstream. Most people hear video games and they think of Mario. End of discussion about that.
    Atari dies because of overzealous executives and reckless spending. Sound like Sony? It does to me.
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I remember SEGA having a pretty strong brand name in the 90s. Failure can happen to any company, deal with it.Darth matt
No Segas brand name was still not very strong, Nintendo beat them, and PS1 beat Sega because it appealed to an older audience and got them into gaming. This expanded the gaming market big time.
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[QUOTE="Spartan070"]Nintendo has more recognition and always will as lond as they are in the console and handheld race. Plus a lot of those "multigenerational franchises" like RE and GTA are now multiplat.-supercharged-

So?

How many copies of GTA: SA sell on the PS2 compared to the XBOX? Oh ya that's right no XBOX game even broke 10million copies sold :lol: While GTA: SA sold what 14+ MILLION?

I can guarantee you that a higher percentage of Xbox owners bought GTA SA than did PS2 owners.

It's the attach ratio that counts. ;)

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[QUOTE="magus-21"] GTA4 isn't out yet, hence GTA isn't a multigenerational franchise yet. I said "technically" because "technically" GTA's existed on the PC since the mid-90s, but so far hasn't found any success outside of the PS2 generation. I'm not counting this newest generation yet because it's too early in its cycle.


    Grand theft auto was successful enough for a sequel and expansion before GTA3.
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[QUOTE="Darth matt"]I remember SEGA having a pretty strong brand name in the 90s. Failure can happen to any company, deal with it.navneet21
Sega is nothing compare too Sony.... or thats what I think

I think you miss the point. Sega was huge in the 90s. It had tons of dev support, a good brand name, and a large user base. But they started to loose it once the PS1 showed up. It happend to sega, it can happen to any company.
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I agree that the PS3 will win again this gen and that it will be a MUCH closer race than last gen... but I think that Ninty will come in second, not Microsoft.

Overall, I think that it will be a great gen for gamers though.... irregardless of your favorite console.

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[QUOTE="-supercharged-"]

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]Nintendo has more recognition and always will as lond as they are in the console and handheld race. Plus a lot of those "multigenerational franchises" like RE and GTA are now multiplat.LosDaddie

So?

How many copies of GTA: SA sell on the PS2 compared to the XBOX? Oh ya that's right no XBOX game even broke 10million copies sold :lol: While GTA: SA sold what 14+ MILLION?

I can guarantee you that a higher percentage of Xbox owners bought GTA SA than did PS2 owners.

It's the attach ratio that counts. ;)

attach ratio :lol:!!!!

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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="Telekill"]I see PS3 winning this generation also. Where many competitor supporters see it as a flopped system, it has been doing better than any previous Playstation before it. There is an overwhelming demand for it in EU regardless of the high price. I think that we all need to just sit back and see what happens instead of making up lame threads stating that different systems will flop. The fanboyism is out of control on forums across the net.

Nintendo ruled gaming, and the N64 didn't do so hot, and the Gamecube was even worse.
Sega got rolled, Atari tanked.
Names don't sell systems, software does.
SpruceCaboose
Nintendo didn't rule gaming. The Genesis actually overtook the SNES until the very last years of that rivalry. Sega died a long, slow death after the Genesis generation. Not sure about what killed Atari, but it surely wasn't something as superficial as PR blunders.


What the heck do you consider the NES? It is the only reason gaming survived the crash in 1983. It is the only reason gaming went mainstream. Most people hear video games and they think of Mario. End of discussion about that.
Atari dies because of overzealous executives and reckless spending. Sound like Sony? It does to me.

The NES didn't survive the gaming crash. It RESTARTED the industry AFTER the gaming crash. It was the only video game console around for three years. Under those circumstances, anybody could've succeeded.
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[QUOTE="navneet21"][QUOTE="Darth matt"]I remember SEGA having a pretty strong brand name in the 90s. Failure can happen to any company, deal with it.Darth matt
Sega is nothing compare too Sony.... or thats what I think

I think you miss the point. Sega was huge in the 90s. It had tons of dev support, a good brand name, and a large user base. But they started to loose it once the PS1 showed up. It happend to sega, it can happen to any company.

Sega was never as big nor did it ever have nearly as much resources as Nintendo, Sony, or Microsoft. And they were never a dominating market leader. Sega's story is of a gradual rise and a gradual fall.
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[QUOTE="magus-21"] a) The NES didn't survive the gaming crash. It RESTARTED the industry AFTER the gaming crash. It was the only video game console around for three years. Under those circumstances, anybody could've succeeded.

But... Nintendo was the one to succeed. So, that gave them a strong link in people's minds with video games. Yet, they still faltered terribly last generation (and the one before)
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[QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="Telekill"]I see PS3 winning this generation also. Where many competitor supporters see it as a flopped system, it has been doing better than any previous Playstation before it. There is an overwhelming demand for it in EU regardless of the high price. I think that we all need to just sit back and see what happens instead of making up lame threads stating that different systems will flop. The fanboyism is out of control on forums across the net.SpruceCaboose
Nintendo ruled gaming, and the N64 didn't do so hot, and the Gamecube was even worse.
Sega got rolled, Atari tanked.
Names don't sell systems, software does.
SpruceCaboose
Nintendo didn't rule gaming. The Genesis actually overtook the SNES until the very last years of that rivalry. Sega died a long, slow death after the Genesis generation. Not sure about what killed Atari, but it surely wasn't something as superficial as PR blunders.


    What the heck do you consider the NES? It is the only reason gaming survived the crash in 1983. It is the only reason gaming went mainstream. Most people hear video games and they think of Mario. End of discussion about that.
    Atari dies because of overzealous executives and reckless spending. Sound like Sony? It does to me.

Actually most ppl don't think of Mario when they think of video games... a lot of us grew up to Mario, but he's hardly the game that jumps to mind when I think of video games. And Atari died b/c of software support, Sony is still getting plenty of that... get it right.

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The brand-name is just too strong to double-up and die. As bad as all these PR screw-ups have been, they are still only that: PR screw-ups. Sony still has third-party support, it still has more brandname recognition than either the Xbox or Nintendo brandnames, and it still has the strongest multigenerational franchises under its thumb. PR can be fixed in a matter of months, and the public will ignore any PR screwup once those big-name Final Fantasies, MGS's, etc. start coming out. That said, it won't be a landslide like the last two generations. Unlike the PS1 generation, where Nintendo basically pushed all of its customers onto the PS1, and unlike the PS2 generation, where DVD carried PS2 sales for the first year or two, the PS3 has only brandname to rely on. IMO, PS3 @35%, Wii @ 33%, and 360 @ 32% will be the division of marketshare this generation.magus-21

First point "The brand name is too strong to double-up and die" See "Nintendo 64"

Second point (summed up) "Sony has the best games and franchises" See "Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Halo, Gears of War"

Third point "It's just a PR screw-up" See "No it's not, it's a system screw-up" see also "$600 console"

Final point "I predict the PS3 will win" See "Sony Fanboy"

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[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="-supercharged-"]

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]Nintendo has more recognition and always will as lond as they are in the console and handheld race. Plus a lot of those "multigenerational franchises" like RE and GTA are now multiplat.-supercharged-

So?

How many copies of GTA: SA sell on the PS2 compared to the XBOX? Oh ya that's right no XBOX game even broke 10million copies sold :lol: While GTA: SA sold what 14+ MILLION?

I can guarantee you that a higher percentage of Xbox owners bought GTA SA than did PS2 owners.

It's the attach ratio that counts. ;)

attach ratio :lol:!!!!

...yes, attach ratio....
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The brand-name is just too strong to double-up and die. As bad as all these PR screw-ups have been, they are still only that: PR screw-ups. Sony still has third-party support, it still has more brandname recognition than either the Xbox or Nintendo brandnames, and it still has the strongest multigenerational franchises under its thumb. PR can be fixed in a matter of months, and the public will ignore any PR screwup once those big-name Final Fantasies, MGS's, etc. start coming out. That said, it won't be a landslide like the last two generations. Unlike the PS1 generation, where Nintendo basically pushed all of its customers onto the PS1, and unlike the PS2 generation, where DVD carried PS2 sales for the first year or two, the PS3 has only brandname to rely on. IMO, PS3 @35%, Wii @ 33%, and 360 @ 32% will be the division of marketshare this generation.magus-21

Possibily, but they will not have more then 40% market share this time which is still a gigantic loss for Sony and a huge victory for MS and Nintendo. Next gen will be completely up in the air.

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[QUOTE="-supercharged-"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="-supercharged-"]

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]Nintendo has more recognition and always will as lond as they are in the console and handheld race. Plus a lot of those "multigenerational franchises" like RE and GTA are now multiplat.Spartan070

So?

How many copies of GTA: SA sell on the PS2 compared to the XBOX? Oh ya that's right no XBOX game even broke 10million copies sold :lol: While GTA: SA sold what 14+ MILLION?

I can guarantee you that a higher percentage of Xbox owners bought GTA SA than did PS2 owners.

It's the attach ratio that counts. ;)

attach ratio :lol:!!!!

...yes, attach ratio....

:lol: sorry to break it to ya kid but 15 MILLION COPIES SOLD! Outbeats any little attach ratio.

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#43 beldugo
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I remember SEGA having a pretty strong brand name in the 90s. Failure can happen to any company, deal with it.Darth matt
sega didnt have that strong of a brand name like nintendo... and defenetely not as strong as Sony.. their is everything Sony, cd players, cd, tv, dvd, music etc.. and everyone loves it... thread maker has a very very very good point. but in the end it all comes down to the gamers that are actually buying the system as of now ps3 dont appeal to me and to many gamers i know in real life. most of my friends didnt like xbox 1 but with 360 2/3 of them have or are planning on getting the 360, 1 of them have a ps3 and 1 is planning on getting it in the future including me 3yrs from now and 1/3 have a wii. if ps3 continues with this threand then i see it failing.
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[QUOTE="magus-21"]The brand-name is just too strong to double-up and die. As bad as all these PR screw-ups have been, they are still only that: PR screw-ups. Sony still has third-party support, it still has more brandname recognition than either the Xbox or Nintendo brandnames, and it still has the strongest multigenerational franchises under its thumb. PR can be fixed in a matter of months, and the public will ignore any PR screwup once those big-name Final Fantasies, MGS's, etc. start coming out. That said, it won't be a landslide like the last two generations. Unlike the PS1 generation, where Nintendo basically pushed all of its customers onto the PS1, and unlike the PS2 generation, where DVD carried PS2 sales for the first year or two, the PS3 has only brandname to rely on. IMO, PS3 @35%, Wii @ 33%, and 360 @ 32% will be the division of marketshare this generation.Nova_Mongoose

First point "The brand name is too strong to double-up and die" See "Nintendo 64"

Second point (summed up) "Sony has the best games and franchises" See "Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Halo, Gears of War"

Third point "It's just a PR screw-up" See "No it's not, it's a system screw-up" see also "$600 console"

Final point "I predict the PS3 will win" See "Sony Fanboy"

1) See my point about how Nintendo abused third-parties to the point of abandonment. 2) I didn't say "best games and franchises," I said "the strongest multigenerational franchises." Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and Halo are all well and good, but they don't compare to the strength of Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo, MGS, etc. The strongest PlayStation franchises routinely sell into the 8-10 million range. Nintendo's best-selling franchise on the GCN topped out at 6 million, and the Xbox's strongest franchise, Halo, topped out at 7 million. And Halo was the ONLY Xbox franchise to sell over 5 million. 3) You'll have to be more elaborate with your response on this. Prices drop, after all. 4) Go read my posting history, jack***.
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#45 phobos8u
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The biggest reason Sega went down is they made so many consoles lol.

Sega Genesis
Sega CD
Sega Saturn
Sega DreamCast.

some of those came in under the 5 year each mark. If anyone should be worried to follow Segas path it's Nintendo lol..

NES
SNES
N64
GC
Wii

Only difference with Nintendo is the N64 and GC didnt tank like the saturn and DreamCast.

Although I loved my Dreamcast heh.


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#46 magus-21
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="magus-21"] a) The NES didn't survive the gaming crash. It RESTARTED the industry AFTER the gaming crash. It was the only video game console around for three years. Under those circumstances, anybody could've succeeded.

But... Nintendo was the one to succeed. So, that gave them a strong link in people's minds with video games. Yet, they still faltered terribly last generation (and the one before)

With the NES, Nintendo had a near-monopoly for three years because no one made any consoles after the 1983 crash until the Master System in 1986. With the SNES, Nintendo lost HUGE amounts of marketshare, and actually TRAILED Sega for the bulk of that generation. And we all know what happened with the N64 and GCN.
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#47 Bren128
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[QUOTE="magus-21"]The brand-name is just too strong to double-up and die. As bad as all these PR screw-ups have been, they are still only that: PR screw-ups. Sony still has third-party support, it still has more brandname recognition than either the Xbox or Nintendo brandnames, and it still has the strongest multigenerational franchises under its thumb. PR can be fixed in a matter of months, and the public will ignore any PR screwup once those big-name Final Fantasies, MGS's, etc. start coming out. That said, it won't be a landslide like the last two generations. Unlike the PS1 generation, where Nintendo basically pushed all of its customers onto the PS1, and unlike the PS2 generation, where DVD carried PS2 sales for the first year or two, the PS3 has only brandname to rely on. IMO, PS3 @35%, Wii @ 33%, and 360 @ 32% will be the division of marketshare this generation.

i agree, except i think sony will win by a little bit bigger margin, why ? Because any moron could tell you that the ps2 had the most dominant library of exclusive games , all sony really needs to do is get sequels of the games that over 100 million yes i said 100 million ps2 owners love. Its like the Bulls in the 90s with michael jordan,Pippen and Rodman, its not if theyll win its if they keep those players how much they can win by........Ms is trying to establish new franchises while sony already has franchises established in each catergory......
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#48 slduncanlaw
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[QUOTE="Telekill"]I see PS3 winning this generation also. Where many competitor supporters see it as a flopped system, it has been doing better than any previous Playstation before it. There is an overwhelming demand for it in EU regardless of the high price. I think that we all need to just sit back and see what happens instead of making up lame threads stating that different systems will flop. The fanboyism is out of control on forums across the net.

This statement is a fine example of the effectiveness of good PR and better spin. You take a fact that on it's surface is beneficial to your argument, and drive it home while conveniently leaving out the economic analysis behind it. Factually, you are not wrong: the PS3 is selling more units than the PS1 and PS2 for the same period of time after each console's respective launch. This statement is aimed directly at consumers who generally don't have access or need to access more information (as opposed to investors and industry insiders who have blown off this statement). The reality is, although the numbers are better, when compared to the growth of the industry, the numbers percentage wise are down terribly.
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#49 magus-21
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[QUOTE="Bren128"][QUOTE="magus-21"]The brand-name is just too strong to double-up and die. As bad as all these PR screw-ups have been, they are still only that: PR screw-ups. Sony still has third-party support, it still has more brandname recognition than either the Xbox or Nintendo brandnames, and it still has the strongest multigenerational franchises under its thumb. PR can be fixed in a matter of months, and the public will ignore any PR screwup once those big-name Final Fantasies, MGS's, etc. start coming out. That said, it won't be a landslide like the last two generations. Unlike the PS1 generation, where Nintendo basically pushed all of its customers onto the PS1, and unlike the PS2 generation, where DVD carried PS2 sales for the first year or two, the PS3 has only brandname to rely on. IMO, PS3 @35%, Wii @ 33%, and 360 @ 32% will be the division of marketshare this generation.

i agree, except i think sony will win by a little bit bigger margin, why ? Because any moron could tell you that the ps2 had the most dominant library of exclusive games , all sony really needs to do is get sequels of the games that over 100 million yes i said 100 million ps2 owners love. Its like the Bulls in the 90s with michael jordan,Pippen and Rodman, its not if theyll win its if they keep those players how much they can win by........Ms is trying to establish new franchises while sony already has franchises established in each catergory......

No, the volume of games doesn't matter. The popularity of its games will determine the PS3's lead (or lack thereof) this generation, and there are only a few titles (few, but very notable titles) that will factor into the PS3's popularity with the mainstream crowd. Part of me also thinks that the lack of new franchises and the overabundance of old franchises on the PlayStation MAY hurt it a little bit.
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#50 slduncanlaw
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[QUOTE="Nova_Mongoose"]

[QUOTE="magus-21"]The brand-name is just too strong to double-up and die. As bad as all these PR screw-ups have been, they are still only that: PR screw-ups. Sony still has third-party support, it still has more brandname recognition than either the Xbox or Nintendo brandnames, and it still has the strongest multigenerational franchises under its thumb. PR can be fixed in a matter of months, and the public will ignore any PR screwup once those big-name Final Fantasies, MGS's, etc. start coming out. That said, it won't be a landslide like the last two generations. Unlike the PS1 generation, where Nintendo basically pushed all of its customers onto the PS1, and unlike the PS2 generation, where DVD carried PS2 sales for the first year or two, the PS3 has only brandname to rely on. IMO, PS3 @35%, Wii @ 33%, and 360 @ 32% will be the division of marketshare this generation.magus-21

First point "The brand name is too strong to double-up and die" See "Nintendo 64"

Second point (summed up) "Sony has the best games and franchises" See "Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Halo, Gears of War"

Third point "It's just a PR screw-up" See "No it's not, it's a system screw-up" see also "$600 console"

Final point "I predict the PS3 will win" See "Sony Fanboy"

1) See my point about how Nintendo abused third-parties to the point of abandonment. 2) I didn't say "best games and franchises," I said "the strongest multigenerational franchises." Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and Halo are all well and good, but they don't compare to the strength of Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo, MGS, etc. The strongest PlayStation franchises routinely sell into the 8-10 million range. Nintendo's best-selling franchise on the GCN topped out at 6 million, and the Xbox's strongest franchise, Halo, topped out at 7 million. And Halo was the ONLY Xbox franchise to sell over 5 million. 3) You'll have to be more elaborate with your response on this. Prices drop, after all. 4) Go read my posting history, jack***.

Just so you know, Nintendo's "multigenerational franchises" have surpassed Disney in name recognition and influence in pop culture. Neither Sony or MS come close. Personally, I've never had Solid Snake cereal for breakfast.