PS3 will still most likely win this console war

[QUOTE="Darth matt"]I remember SEGA having a pretty strong brand name in the 90s. Failure can happen to any company, deal with it.magus-21

We'll see. The longer Sony keeps the price of the PS3 where it is, the more they will fall behind. Nintendo & Microsoft's brand are equal with Sony. M$ software is known worldwide and Nintendo has be associated with gaming long before Sony entered the gaming market. Things can easily change rapidly. I think the developers will eventually decide who wins. The system that gets the most 3rd party support and exclusive quality titles will probably come away the winner. Right now XBox360 is leading that race. We'll check back in another year or two.

Nintendo ruled gaming, and the N64 didn't do so hot, and the Gamecube was even worse.
Sega got rolled, Atari tanked.
Names don't sell systems, software does.
SpruceCaboose

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]N64 begs to differ....magus-21

Nobody knows who is going to win, so we have to wait and see. Just because PS2 outsold everything last gen, means nothing for this gen. History does not always repeat. And coming on here spouting an opinion means nothing, no opinion is fact. I grow tired of these baseles threads that show no fact and only fanboyism.

What exactly is the prize for winning this war anyways? And whats the Penalty for losing?

Private_Vegas

[QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="Nova_Mongoose"]

[QUOTE="magus-21"]The brand-name is just too strong to double-up and die. As bad as all these PR screw-ups have been, they are still only that: PR screw-ups. Sony still has third-party support, it still has more brandname recognition than either the Xbox or Nintendo brandnames, and it still has the strongest multigenerational franchises under its thumb. PR can be fixed in a matter of months, and the public will ignore any PR screwup once those big-name Final Fantasies, MGS's, etc. start coming out. That said, it won't be a landslide like the last two generations. Unlike the PS1 generation, where Nintendo basically pushed all of its customers onto the PS1, and unlike the PS2 generation, where DVD carried PS2 sales for the first year or two, the PS3 has only brandname to rely on. IMO, PS3 @35%, Wii @ 33%, and 360 @ 32% will be the division of marketshare this generation.slduncanlaw

First point "The brand name is too strong to double-up and die" See "Nintendo 64"

Second point (summed up) "Sony has the best games and franchises" See "Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Halo, Gears of War"

Third point "It's just a PR screw-up" See "No it's not, it's a system screw-up" see also "$600 console"

Final point "I predict the PS3 will win" See "Sony Fanboy"

1) See my point about how Nintendo abused third-parties to the point of abandonment. Got me there!

 2) I didn't say "best games and franchises," I said "the strongest multigenerational franchises." Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and Halo are all well and good, but they don't compare to the strength of Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo, MGS, etc.Sure they do!

 The strongest PlayStation franchises routinely sell into the 8-10 million range. Becuase of the massive user-base, which ATM PS3 doesn't have. It could in 3 years but I'm no palm-reader.

 Nintendo's best-selling franchise on the GCN topped out at 6 million, and the Xbox's strongest franchise, Halo, topped out at 7 million. And Halo was the ONLY Xbox franchise to sell over 5 million. Again the user-base

 3) You'll have to be more elaborate with your response on this. Prices drop, after all. But they are already selling PS3 at a loss, and no company can stand losing profits at a sustained rate like that.

 4) Go read my posting history, jack***. That's uncalled for.

[QUOTE="slduncanlaw"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="Nova_Mongoose"]

[QUOTE="magus-21"]The brand-name is just too strong to double-up and die. As bad as all these PR screw-ups have been, they are still only that: PR screw-ups. Sony still has third-party support, it still has more brandname recognition than either the Xbox or Nintendo brandnames, and it still has the strongest multigenerational franchises under its thumb. PR can be fixed in a matter of months, and the public will ignore any PR screwup once those big-name Final Fantasies, MGS's, etc. start coming out. That said, it won't be a landslide like the last two generations. Unlike the PS1 generation, where Nintendo basically pushed all of its customers onto the PS1, and unlike the PS2 generation, where DVD carried PS2 sales for the first year or two, the PS3 has only brandname to rely on. IMO, PS3 @35%, Wii @ 33%, and 360 @ 32% will be the division of marketshare this generation.magus-21

First point "The brand name is too strong to double-up and die" See "Nintendo 64"

Second point (summed up) "Sony has the best games and franchises" See "Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Halo, Gears of War"

Third point "It's just a PR screw-up" See "No it's not, it's a system screw-up" see also "$600 console"

Final point "I predict the PS3 will win" See "Sony Fanboy"

The brand-name is just too strong to double-up and die. As bad as all these PR screw-ups have been, they are still only that: PR screw-ups. Sony still has third-party support, it still has more brandname recognition than either the Xbox or Nintendo brandnames, and it still has the strongest multigenerational franchises under its thumb. PR can be fixed in a matter of months, and the public will ignore any PR screwup once those big-name Final Fantasies, MGS's, etc. start coming out. That said, it won't be a landslide like the last two generations. Unlike the PS1 generation, where Nintendo basically pushed all of its customers onto the PS1, and unlike the PS2 generation, where DVD carried PS2 sales for the first year or two, the PS3 has only brandname to rely on. IMO, PS3 @35%, Wii @ 33%, and 360 @ 32% will be the division of marketshare this generation.magus-21

The nintendo brand name was obsurdly strong durring the 90's so by you logic Nintendo should have won (Brand name should have overcome the lack of CD's)

[QUOTE="magus-21"]The brand-name is just too strong to double-up and die. As bad as all these PR screw-ups have been, they are still only that: PR screw-ups. Sony still has third-party support, it still has more brandname recognition than either the Xbox or Nintendo brandnames, and it still has the strongest multigenerational franchises under its thumb. PR can be fixed in a matter of months, and the public will ignore any PR screwup once those big-name Final Fantasies, MGS's, etc. start coming out. That said, it won't be a landslide like the last two generations. Unlike the PS1 generation, where Nintendo basically pushed all of its customers onto the PS1, and unlike the PS2 generation, where DVD carried PS2 sales for the first year or two, the PS3 has only brandname to rely on. IMO, PS3 @35%, Wii @ 33%, and 360 @ 32% will be the division of marketshare this generation.laughingman42

The nintendo brand name was obsurdly strong durring the 90's so by you logic Nintendo should have won (Brand name should have overcome the lack of CD's)

PS3 will beat XBOX 360 yes. But Wii is going to be #1 this gen.

-supercharged-

2) I didn't say "best games and franchises," I said "the strongest multigenerational franchises." Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and Halo are all well and good, but they don't compare to the strength of Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo, MGS, etc.Sure they do!Nova_Mongoose

The strongest PlayStation franchises routinely sell into the 8-10 million range. Becuase of the massive user-base, which ATM PS3 doesn't have. It could in 3 years but I'm no palm-reader.Nova_Mongoose

Nintendo's best-selling franchise on the GCN topped out at 6 million, and the Xbox's strongest franchise, Halo, topped out at 7 million. And Halo was the ONLY Xbox franchise to sell over 5 million. Again the user-baseNova_Mongoose

But they are already selling PS3 at a loss, and no company can stand losing profits at a sustained rate like that.Nova_Mongoose

4) Go read my posting history, jack***. That's uncalled for.Nova_Mongoose

[QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="Nova_Mongoose"]

[QUOTE="magus-21"]The brand-name is just too strong to double-up and die. As bad as all these PR screw-ups have been, they are still only that: PR screw-ups. Sony still has third-party support, it still has more brandname recognition than either the Xbox or Nintendo brandnames, and it still has the strongest multigenerational franchises under its thumb. PR can be fixed in a matter of months, and the public will ignore any PR screwup once those big-name Final Fantasies, MGS's, etc. start coming out. That said, it won't be a landslide like the last two generations. Unlike the PS1 generation, where Nintendo basically pushed all of its customers onto the PS1, and unlike the PS2 generation, where DVD carried PS2 sales for the first year or two, the PS3 has only brandname to rely on. IMO, PS3 @35%, Wii @ 33%, and 360 @ 32% will be the division of marketshare this generation.slduncanlaw

First point "The brand name is too strong to double-up and die" See "Nintendo 64"

Second point (summed up) "Sony has the best games and franchises" See "Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Halo, Gears of War"

Third point "It's just a PR screw-up" See "No it's not, it's a system screw-up" see also "$600 console"

Final point "I predict the PS3 will win" See "Sony Fanboy"

[QUOTE="-supercharged-"]

PS3 will beat XBOX 360 yes. But Wii is going to be #1 this gen.

_AsasN_

[QUOTE="magus-21"]The brand-name is just too strong to double-up and die. As bad as all these PR screw-ups have been, they are still only that: PR screw-ups. Sony still has third-party support, it still has more brandname recognition than either the Xbox or Nintendo brandnames, and it still has the strongest multigenerational franchises under its thumb. PR can be fixed in a matter of months, and the public will ignore any PR screwup once those big-name Final Fantasies, MGS's, etc. start coming out. That said, it won't be a landslide like the last two generations. Unlike the PS1 generation, where Nintendo basically pushed all of its customers onto the PS1, and unlike the PS2 generation, where DVD carried PS2 sales for the first year or two, the PS3 has only brandname to rely on. IMO, PS3 @35%, Wii @ 33%, and 360 @ 32% will be the division of marketshare this generation.laughingman42

The nintendo brand name was obsurdly strong durring the 90's so by you logic Nintendo should have won (Brand name should have overcome the lack of CD's)

    Nintendo ruled gaming, and the N64 didn't do so hot, and the Gamecube was even worse.
    Sega got rolled, Atari tanked.
    Names don't sell systems, software does.
SpruceCaboose

Best line in this thread.

It's all about the games and not just one game, but many.

[QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="slduncanlaw"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="Nova_Mongoose"]

[QUOTE="magus-21"]The brand-name is just too strong to double-up and die. As bad as all these PR screw-ups have been, they are still only that: PR screw-ups. Sony still has third-party support, it still has more brandname recognition than either the Xbox or Nintendo brandnames, and it still has the strongest multigenerational franchises under its thumb. PR can be fixed in a matter of months, and the public will ignore any PR screwup once those big-name Final Fantasies, MGS's, etc. start coming out. That said, it won't be a landslide like the last two generations. Unlike the PS1 generation, where Nintendo basically pushed all of its customers onto the PS1, and unlike the PS2 generation, where DVD carried PS2 sales for the first year or two, the PS3 has only brandname to rely on. IMO, PS3 @35%, Wii @ 33%, and 360 @ 32% will be the division of marketshare this generation.slduncanlaw

First point "The brand name is too strong to double-up and die" See "Nintendo 64"

Second point (summed up) "Sony has the best games and franchises" See "Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Halo, Gears of War"

Third point "It's just a PR screw-up" See "No it's not, it's a system screw-up" see also "$600 console"

Final point "I predict the PS3 will win" See "Sony Fanboy"

Oh yeah! The PS3 will win with it's brand name just like the PSP! Oh wait...

So your telling me that no matter what circumstance or quality or price or value of the object. As long as it says sony you buy it just because it says sony on the product. Thats rubbish.chester706

[QUOTE="chester706"]So your telling me that no matter what circumstance or quality or price or value of the object. As long as it says sony you buy it just because it says sony on the product. Thats rubbish.magus-21

Oh yeah! The PS3 will win with it's brand name just like the PSP! Oh wait...

magiciandude

[QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="chester706"]So your telling me that no matter what circumstance or quality or price or value of the object. As long as it says sony you buy it just because it says sony on the product. Thats rubbish.chester706

[QUOTE="chester706"]So your telling me that no matter what circumstance or quality or price or value of the object. As long as it says sony you buy it just because it says sony on the product. Thats rubbish.magus-21

[QUOTE="magiciandude"]

Oh yeah! The PS3 will win with it's brand name just like the PSP! Oh wait...

magus-21

What do you mean "poor comparision"? When the PSP came out, it was claimed by many to be a "DS Killer" because of it's brand name.  Not to mention that if brand name was the case, then why didn't the Nintendo 64 won?

[QUOTE="-supercharged-"]

PS3 will beat XBOX 360 yes. But Wii is going to be #1 this gen.

_AsasN_

Hardcore gamers don't rule anything. There are too few hardcore gamers to make a signifcant dent on who wins or loses. The hardcore gamers who wanted a PS3 already have it. All 1 million of them. Now the other 90 million casuals gamers have either gotten a Wii or XBox360 or are undecided. No one knows who's going to be #1. In another 2-3 years we'll have a better picture, but right now it's way to early.

[QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="chester706"]So your telling me that no matter what circumstance or quality or price or value of the object. As long as it says sony you buy it just because it says sony on the product. Thats rubbish.dsmccracken

[QUOTE="magiciandude"]

Oh yeah! The PS3 will win with it's brand name just like the PSP! Oh wait...

magus-21

[QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="magiciandude"]

Oh yeah! The PS3 will win with it's brand name just like the PSP! Oh wait...

magiciandude

What do you mean "poor comparision"? When the PSP came, it was claimed by many to be a "DS Killer" because of it's brand name. Not to mention that if brand name was the case, then why didn't the Nintendo 64 won?

It's too early to tell who will win.  Maybe later someone will gain a clear lead.  Right now it's too close.

[QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="magiciandude"]

Oh yeah! The PS3 will win with it's brand name just like the PSP! Oh wait...

dsmccracken

[QUOTE="Spartan070"][QUOTE="-supercharged-"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="-supercharged-"]

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]Nintendo has more recognition and always will as lond as they are in the console and handheld race. Plus a lot of those "multigenerational franchises" like RE and GTA are now multiplat.-supercharged-

So?

How many copies of GTA: SA sell on the PS2 compared to the XBOX? Oh ya that's right no XBOX game even broke 10million copies sold :lol: While GTA: SA sold what 14+ MILLION?

I can guarantee you that a higher percentage of Xbox owners bought GTA SA than did PS2 owners.

It's the attach ratio that counts. ;)

attach ratio :lol:!!!!

:lol: sorry to break it to ya kid but 15 MILLION COPIES SOLD! Outbeats any little attach ratio.

You obviously have no clue as to how attach ratio plays into the next gen.

Please stop posting before you embarass yourself.

[QUOTE="-supercharged-"]

PS3 will beat XBOX 360 yes. But Wii is going to be #1 this gen.

_AsasN_

Nintendo ruled gaming, and the N64 didn't do so hot, and the Gamecube was even worse.
Sega got rolled, Atari tanked.
Names don't sell systems, software does.
SpruceCaboose

[QUOTE="chester706"]So your telling me that no matter what circumstance or quality or price or value of the object. As long as it says sony you buy it just because it says sony on the product. Thats rubbish.magus-21

You think Bose rule home audio? Oh boy. :roll: There are better, cheaper options then Bose. Do some research. At least 80% of the games on the PS2 are average or just total garbage. There are many diamonds in the rough, but if you don't research the games you purchase, you could easily buy a total flop of a game. If that's your idea of quality, I'll pass. Currenty the PS3 doesn't have many quality titles. At this point in time, it's really not a better investment unless you are looking for a cheap Blu-Ray player.

[QUOTE="-supercharged-"][QUOTE="Spartan070"][QUOTE="-supercharged-"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="-supercharged-"]

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]Nintendo has more recognition and always will as lond as they are in the console and handheld race. Plus a lot of those "multigenerational franchises" like RE and GTA are now multiplat.LosDaddie

So?

How many copies of GTA: SA sell on the PS2 compared to the XBOX? Oh ya that's right no XBOX game even broke 10million copies sold :lol: While GTA: SA sold what 14+ MILLION?

I can guarantee you that a higher percentage of Xbox owners bought GTA SA than did PS2 owners.

It's the attach ratio that counts. ;)

attach ratio :lol:!!!!

:lol: sorry to break it to ya kid but 15 MILLION COPIES SOLD! Outbeats any little attach ratio.

You obviously have no clue as to how attach ratio plays into the next gen.

Please stop posting before you embarass yourself.

[QUOTE="magiciandude"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="magiciandude"]

Oh yeah! The PS3 will win with it's brand name just like the PSP! Oh wait...

magus-21

What do you mean "poor comparision"? When the PSP came, it was claimed by many to be a "DS Killer" because of it's brand name. Not to mention that if brand name was the case, then why didn't the Nintendo 64 won?

[QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="chester706"]So your telling me that no matter what circumstance or quality or price or value of the object. As long as it says sony you buy it just because it says sony on the product. Thats rubbish.blackace

You think Bose rule home audio? Oh boy. :roll: There are better, cheaper options then Bose. Do some research. At least 80% of the games on the PS2 are average or just total garbage. There are many diamonds in the rough, but if you don't research the games you purchase, you could easily buy a total flop of a game. If that's your idea of quality, I'll pass. Currenty the PS3 doesn't have many quality titles. At this point in time, it's really not a better investment unless you are looking for a cheap Blu-Ray player.

Brand recognition doesn't get you far. Look at the PSP. Third party support is drying up, and there are only a few really big games coming out for the handheld this year. I think the PS3 will do fine, and even the possibility of being the leader is there, but I think the time of having 70% of the marketshare and outsetlling competition 4:1 is over.fatzombiepigeon

In Japan Wii is outselling PS3 by a huge margin.AvinashTyagi

Also charging $600 for a console is a corporate BlunderAvinashTyagi

[QUOTE="magiciandude"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="magiciandude"]

Oh yeah! The PS3 will win with it's brand name just like the PSP! Oh wait...

magus-21

What do you mean "poor comparision"? When the PSP came, it was claimed by many to be a "DS Killer" because of it's brand name. Not to mention that if brand name was the case, then why didn't the Nintendo 64 won?

In that case, Sony is pretty much doing the same mistakes as the N64. Only except it's not in a faster process.