PS3/360/Wii Downloadable Games Should Count in the SW metagame

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#1 BPoole96
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For the sole reason that they are counted for PC. Games like The Binding of Isaac are counted and added in the PC library but games like Journey and The Dishwasher don't count for the consoles. Some downloadable games are just as good as full retail games and I don't feel they are given proper recognition on SW. Discuss
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#2 ispeakfact
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Uh-oh...Journey scoring a 9 here on GS has really shaken up SW.

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#3 jg4xchamp
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I would take stuff like Braid or Super Meat Boy over a lot of 60 dollar games. So I never understood why the smaller games didn't count. Hell the best part about PC gaming is the indie scene. Don't know much about Wiiware/DSware stuff.
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#4 KC_Hokie
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I look at Metacritic where they do count.
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#5 lawlessx
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Uh-oh...Journey scoring a 9 here on GS has really shaken up SW.

ispeakfact
pretty much ..now the rules need to be changed :roll:
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#6 bbkkristian
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Eh, i don't care, console wars are SOOOOO last year. Now its all about the handheld wars :P
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#7 Heil68
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They still get tracked, just separately.
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#8 BPoole96
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Uh-oh...Journey scoring a 9 here on GS has really shaken up SW.

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I have a PC and a PS3 so I don't really see how I would be shaken up. This is just in relation to downloadable games not getting proper merit on this board. When one scores well people just say "lulz doesn't count"
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I would take stuff like Braid or Super Meat Boy over a lot of 60 dollar games. So I never understood why the smaller games didn't count. Hell the best part about PC gaming is the indie scene. Don't know much about Wiiware/DSware stuff. jg4xchamp
WiiWare doesn't have that many worthwhile games (Cave Story aside), even less so with DSiWare. I hear the 3DS downloadable games are a bit stronger, though.
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#10 1PMrFister
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[QUOTE="ispeakfact"]

Uh-oh...Journey scoring a 9 here on GS has really shaken up SW.

BPoole96
I have a PC and a PS3 so I don't really see how I would be shaken up. This is just in relation to downloadable games not getting proper merit on this board. When one scores well people just say "lulz doesn't count"

It's System Wars. People are going to look for any excuse to downplay a game's score.
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]I would take stuff like Braid or Super Meat Boy over a lot of 60 dollar games. So I never understood why the smaller games didn't count. Hell the best part about PC gaming is the indie scene. Don't know much about Wiiware/DSware stuff. 1PMrFister
WiiWare doesn't have that many worthwhile games (Cave Story aside), even less so with DSiWare. I hear the 3DS downloadable games are a bit stronger, though.

Pushmo is suppose to be legit. Would consider playing, but "lol handhelds" yada yada yada :>
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#12 kuraimen
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The whole gen they didn't count and now that lems have no games they should count!? No way! let them suffer.
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#13 freedomfreak
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They should.

I don't see why they shouldn't.They're games.

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#14 jg4xchamp
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The whole gen they didn't count and now that lems have no games they should count!? No way! let them suffer.kuraimen


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I have a PC and a PS3 so I don't really see how I would be shaken up."BPoole96


Always knew he was a lemon.

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#15 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]The whole gen they didn't count and now that lems have no games they should count!? No way! let them suffer.jg4xchamp



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I have a PC and a PS3 so I don't really see how I would be shaken up."BPoole96


Always knew he was a lemon.

Undercover one.

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#16 NeonNinja
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I don't get why they're not counted either. So many of them are better than the regular releases. I say, screw the morons that don't count them. A good game's a good game no matter how it's released.

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#17 Kickinurass
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I thought it was agreed they did count, just not as much as retail exclusives in most cases. Hence the later inclusion of XBLA, PSN, and WiiWare games into the spreadsheet (I'm sure it used to be just the consoles and PC with no downloadable titles)

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#18 Eponique
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They should count in the metagame in the 8th gen. As for the 7th gen, it's too late for them to count now. Cows have already kicked the lemmings down with their "XBLA games don't count". I don't know which admins/mods/boss's idea was to side with the cows, but that person sided with cows and kept "Xbox 360 games" seperate from "XBLA games".
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#20 DJ-Lafleur
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I always thought they did...

Shows how much attention I pay to this place. >_>

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#21 2Chalupas
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They shouldn't because they are reviewed to lower standards. Reviews are all over the place anyway, but it's obvious that mobile and portable games are held to very different standards than full retail games. These arcade/XBLA/PSN games get reviewed on standards closer to mobile or portable, then to full retail console or PC titles. However with PC it's tougher to differentiate because of digital distribution - there isn't as much of a defined line between the two. Maybe next gen even with consoles it will all blend in and will be harder to distinguish "retail" vs. downloadable with any type of defined line. As this gen has gone on the line has been a little fuzzy, the "defined line" only applies about 80% of the time. But it's still there for now.
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#22 topgunmv
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I agree.

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#23 lundy86_4  Online
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Personally, I couldn't care less. Still, this won't make Cows happy.

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I would take stuff like Braid or Super Meat Boy over a lot of 60 dollar games. So I never understood why the smaller games didn't count. Hell the best part about PC gaming is the indie scene. Don't know much about Wiiware/DSware stuff. jg4xchamp
This. And when games are now offering 5-6 hour campaigns with additional content on top (Shadow Complex/AWAN to name but two) it's getting pretty silly, especially when XBLA (i don't follow PSN) has continuously pumped out solid titles.
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#25 15strong
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I feel they should be seperated, sort of like a short films category. THe problemi s when PC gets these downloadable games(Terraria, Hector) they end up counting. There dosen't seem to be any consistantcy.

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#26 Bigboi500
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They should count on ALL systems, even handhelds. There's no reason at all for them not to count.

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#27 Ravensmash
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They should count on ALL systems, even handhelds. There's no reason at all for them not to count.

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Yep. It's not as if standards are equal across genre either - you wouldn't directly compare Heavy Rain to Final Fantasy, yet according to the spreadsheet - you do!
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#29 DJ-Lafleur
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Personally, I couldn't care less. Still, this won't make Cows happy.

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So? ...

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#30 Ravensmash
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They're separated because they're held to different standards. A $5 or $15 game just isn't held to the same level of scrutiny as a $60 title. That's not to say you can't enjoy the former more than the latter though.

On PC they're counted just because it's a hassle to separate them given the nature of the platform. Not the best reason, but that is why.

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Then why do people hold so much stock in the metagame, if the actual criteria that defines it is fuzzy at best? I'm not overly fussed about it - but others are. As I said above, a sports game isn't held to the same scrutiny as a puzzle game at retail. And downloadable titles - much like retail titles, vary in content/quality so it's not as though this is some unique standard dividing the two.
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#31 DJ-Lafleur
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They're separated because they're held to different standards. A $5 or $15 game just isn't held to the same level of scrutiny as a $60 title. That's not to say you can't enjoy the former more than the latter though.

On PC they're counted just because it's a hassle to separate them given the nature of the platform. Not the best reason, but that is why.

Slashkice

Why do "standards" really matter though? A quality game is a quality game.

I don't see how price point really makes it that much harder to count something in an overall metagame.

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#32 Ravensmash
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[QUOTE="Slashkice"]

They're separated because they're held to different standards. A $5 or $15 game just isn't held to the same level of scrutiny as a $60 title. That's not to say you can't enjoy the former more than the latter though.

On PC they're counted just because it's a hassle to separate them given the nature of the platform. Not the best reason, but that is why.

DJ-Lafleur

Why do "standards" really matter though? A quality game is a quality game.

And GS themselves say that. We're talking about 7-8.0's above here, it shouldn't be so picky to define what is good on a system, and what isn't.
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#33 Bigboi500
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They're separated because they're held to different standards. A $5 or $15 game just isn't held to the same level of scrutiny as a $60 title. That's not to say you can't enjoy the former more than the latter though.

On PC they're counted just because it's a hassle to separate them given the nature of the platform. Not the best reason, but that is why.

Slashkice

Reviewers don't hold themselves to those standards though. Some take into account the lower price, and some don't. As Raven said, they don't hold game genres to different standards, so why should they pick on price differences?

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They're separated because they're held to different standards. A $5 or $15 game just isn't held to the same level of scrutiny as a $60 title. That's not to say you can't enjoy the former more than the latter though.

On PC they're counted just because it's a hassle to separate them given the nature of the platform. Not the best reason, but that is why.

Slashkice
But if they're already counted that way for the PC, why not just have consoles follow the same method? It's misleading to have the PC's library consist of full retail games as well as $5 downloadable games and consoles have their downloadable games segmented off and basically not count to most people
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#35 lundy86_4  Online
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Personally, I couldn't care less. Still, this won't make Cows happy.

DJ-Lafleur

So? ...

So nothing. They'll just be unhappy because of how good XBLA is. I don't care though :o

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#36 Slashless
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Agreed. They're games, they're exclusive, they got a good score, should count

Don't care if they do or do not though.

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#37 Eddie-Vedder
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Na, different standards. Sure games like Journey and Bastion are so amazing they make us feel that way, but there are a lot of decent arcade titles that score around the AA mark that are lightyears behind regular 60 buck retail AA games. It's just different standards.

Count them, but in a different category.

Just an example, Outland for the 360 is AAA, is it really equal in caliber to something like Gears of War 3 or Forza 4? No, not even close. It's a diferent category. If the game cost 60 bucks it would never have scored that high.

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#38 Slashless
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Na, different standards. Sure games like Journey are so amazing they make us feel that wayEddie-Vedder

I wasn't under the impression that Journey was out yet for anyone to formulate that opinion.

Except blind cows of course.

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Eh, i don't care, console wars are SOOOOO last year. Now its all about the handheld wars :Pbbkkristian

Hell no, I prefer console wars..

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nah

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#42 Eddie-Vedder
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[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

Na, different standards. Sure games like Journey are so amazing they make us feel that waySlashless

I wasn't under the impression that Journey was out yet for anyone to formulate that opinion.

Except blind cows of course.

Poor Slashless always so mad. Also TC, those games shouldn't count on the PC list, someone messed up. Arcade games have never counted, for any platform, that whole SW spreadsheet is meaningless nowadays, it's been tampered with too much.
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#43 BPoole96
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nah

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yah
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They are typically very limited gameplay-wise, short, and are held to different standards than retail games. Since the standards are different, it's difficult to just lump them all together and still get a clear picture of what's going on.

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#45 Slashless
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Poor Slashless always so mad. Also TC, those games shouldn't count on the PC list, someone messed up. Arcade games have never counted, for any platform, that whole SW spreadsheet is meaningless nowadays, it's been tampered with too much. Eddie-Vedder

The Admins should really Wordfilter the word Mad so it turns out as "I'm a poor troll and should stop posting" Because, that's really what's showing right now.

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#46 themajormayor
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

nah

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yah

nah
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#47 BPoole96
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[QUOTE="Slashless"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

Na, different standards. Sure games like Journey are so amazing they make us feel that wayEddie-Vedder

I wasn't under the impression that Journey was out yet for anyone to formulate that opinion.

Except blind cows of course.

Poor Slashless always so mad. Also TC, those games shouldn't count on the PC list, someone messed up. Arcade games have never counted, for any platform, that whole SW spreadsheet is meaningless nowadays, it's been tampered with too much.

Arcade type games do count of the PC though. Like recently Dear Esther received an 8 and counts as a AAE for the PC library and it's a $10 game (a very good one at that). Journey will be sub sectioned into the irrelevant PSN section and will basically not count as a quality game for the PS3. Same goes for 360/Wii digital games. This would just be eliminating a double standard between platforms
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#48 Arach666
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I think they should count,even though it´s a lot harder to diferentiate them on the PC,since DD is for many devs the main publishing method and it doesn´t mean they´re somehow "inferior" games just because they´re DD.

The market is just like that on the PC these days.

In general,I think it´s easier to make everything count,it´s much less confusing if you ask me,not to mention a lot of those games are just as good or better than other "big releases".

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[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="Slashless"]

I wasn't under the impression that Journey was out yet for anyone to formulate that opinion.

Except blind cows of course.

BPoole96

Poor Slashless always so mad. Also TC, those games shouldn't count on the PC list, someone messed up. Arcade games have never counted, for any platform, that whole SW spreadsheet is meaningless nowadays, it's been tampered with too much.

Arcade type games do count of the PC though. Like recently Dear Esther received an 8 and counts as a AAE for the PC library and it's a $10 game (a very good one at that). Journey will be sub sectioned into the irrelevant PSN section and will basically not count as a quality game for the PS3. Same goes for 360/Wii digital games. This would just be eliminating a double standard between platforms

nah

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[QUOTE="BPoole96"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] Poor Slashless always so mad. Also TC, those games shouldn't count on the PC list, someone messed up. Arcade games have never counted, for any platform, that whole SW spreadsheet is meaningless nowadays, it's been tampered with too much. themajormayor

Arcade type games do count of the PC though. Like recently Dear Esther received an 8 and counts as a AAE for the PC library and it's a $10 game (a very good one at that). Journey will be sub sectioned into the irrelevant PSN section and will basically not count as a quality game for the PS3. Same goes for 360/Wii digital games. This would just be eliminating a double standard between platforms

nah

Do you have a counter argument or just 'nah'?