PS3.5: Sony Patent Shows Plans To Increase PS3s Power With External Processor

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#101 BPoole96
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I'm fine with Sony doing that. Buying the peripheral will probably be cheaper than buying another console

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#102 ArchoNils2
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As many said before: This never worked in the past and Sony doesn't have any fast enough external ports for this to work as intended

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#103 Androvinus
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if i wanted to upgrade my hardware i would play on pc.
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#104 AdmiralBison
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[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

If they really did that it would prove that:

1.PS3 and Sonys "theory" about 10 year old slow burning plan will fail without adding more power to actually push them above competition.

2.PS3 is maxed and they dont have money to go into new console year or two from now.

3.They are crazy.

Yea...its not gonna happen.No freakin way its gonna happen.

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teh cell is maxed!!! oh noes :o :P

but the power of "teh cell"!!!!

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#105 abuabed
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I find it to be stupid to have external CPU. How would the external CPU communicate with the internal one? USB? :lol:
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#106 ChubbyGuy40
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I find it to be stupid to have external CPU. How would the external CPU communicate with the internal one? USB? :lol:abuabed

You underestimate the power of...TEH CELL! jkjk :P

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#108 Firebird-5
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hahahahaha what

you dont just slap a cpu into a box and slam a usb port onto it. it doesnt work that way

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#109 PAL360
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Man, thats a terrible idea! Havent Sony learned nothing from MegaCD, 32X, 64DD nd others? :|

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#110 ronvalencia
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I find it to be stupid to have external CPU. How would the external CPU communicate with the internal one? USB? :lol:abuabed

PS3 has 1Gbit ethernet which is faster than 480Mbit USB 2.0.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLte5f34ya8

Real time Raytracing/Raycast with 3 PS3 consoles and 1Gbit connections.

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#113 razgriz_101
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Sony becoming sega? xD

this gen is like the snes/megadrive era cept we haave the addition of the wii just doing its own thing.

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#114 abuabed
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[QUOTE="abuabed"]I find it to be stupid to have external CPU. How would the external CPU communicate with the internal one? USB? :lol:ronvalencia

PS3 has 1Gbit ethernet which is faster than 480Mbit USB 2.0.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLte5f34ya8

Real time Raytracing/Raycast with 3 PS3 consoles and 1Gbit connections.

That's still not enough to make full(not even 50%) use of the external CPU. You'll need a much higher bandwidth to utilize an external CPU which is why we don't have any external CPUs/GPUs on PC.
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#115 K-76
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Maybe they should first concentrate on increasing the PS3 sales and releasing games on time than increasing the PS3 power :lol:

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#116 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="abuabed"]I find it to be stupid to have external CPU. How would the external CPU communicate with the internal one? USB? :lol:abuabed

PS3 has 1Gbit ethernet which is faster than 480Mbit USB 2.0.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLte5f34ya8

Real time Raytracing/Raycast with 3 PS3 consoles and 1Gbit connections.

That's still not enough to make full(not even 50%) use of the external CPU. You'll need a much higher bandwidth to utilize an external CPU which is why we don't have any external CPUs/GPUs on PC.

No external GPU on the PC??? Refer to "ViDock 4" external GPU box i.e. http://vidock4.com/videos.aspx

Intel Nehalem era laptop PCs includes ExpressCard 2.0 slot which is equivalent to PCI-Express 1.0 2X

Intel Sandybridge era laptop PCs includes ExpressCard 3.0 slot which is equivalent to PCI-Express 1.0 4X

DIY ViDock from http://forum.notebookreview.com/gaming-software-graphics-cards/418851-diy-vidock-experiences.html#post5324240

Console beating Devil May Cry 4 PC at 1920x1200+MSAA:4X+All Settings:Highwith external AMD Radeon HD 4670+Intel Core 2 Duo based laptop and ViDock 2 from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE5NmURV5P8

Assassin's Creed II PCat 1920x1080p+MSAA:8X+All Settings:Max with external AMD Radeon HD 5770 +Intel Core 2 Duo based laptop and ViDock 4from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC8Ua1cc36c&feature=related

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#117 Firebird-5
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[QUOTE="abuabed"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

PS3 has 1Gbit ethernet which is faster than 480Mbit USB 2.0.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLte5f34ya8

Real time Raytracing/Raycast with 3 PS3 consoles and 1Gbit connections.

ronvalencia

That's still not enough to make full(not even 50%) use of the external CPU. You'll need a much higher bandwidth to utilize an external CPU which is why we don't have any external CPUs/GPUs on PC.

No external GPU on the PC??? Refer to "ViDock 4" external GPU box i.e. http://vidock4.com/videos.aspx

Intel Nehalem era laptop PCs includes ExpressCard 2.0 slot which equals PCI-Express 1.0 2X

Intel Sandybridge era laptop PCs includes ExpressCard 3.0 slot which equals PCI-Express 1.0 4X

DIY ViDock from http://forum.notebookreview.com/gaming-software-graphics-cards/418851-diy-vidock-experiences.html#post5324240

Console beating Devil May Cry 4 PC at 1920x1200+MSAA:4X+All Settings:Highwith external AMD Radeon HD 4670+Intel Core 2 Duo based laptop and ViDock 2 from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE5NmURV5P8

Assassin's Creed II PCat 1920x1080p+MSAA:8X+All Settings:Max with external AMD Radeon HD 5770 +Intel Core 2 Duo based laptop and ViDock 4from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC8Ua1cc36c&feature=related

what are sony gonna do. tell all ps3 users to solder on new connections for these slow ports hahahhaa

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#118 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="abuabed"] That's still not enough to make full(not even 50%) use of the external CPU. You'll need a much higher bandwidth to utilize an external CPU which is why we don't have any external CPUs/GPUs on PC. Firebird-5

No external GPU on the PC??? Refer to "ViDock 4" external GPU box i.e. http://vidock4.com/videos.aspx

Intel Nehalem era laptop PCs includes ExpressCard 2.0 slot which equals PCI-Express 1.0 2X

Intel Sandybridge era laptop PCs includes ExpressCard 3.0 slot which equals PCI-Express 1.0 4X

DIY ViDock from http://forum.notebookreview.com/gaming-software-graphics-cards/418851-diy-vidock-experiences.html#post5324240

Console beating Devil May Cry 4 PC at 1920x1200+MSAA:4X+All Settings:Highwith external AMD Radeon HD 4670+Intel Core 2 Duo based laptop and ViDock 2 from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE5NmURV5P8

Assassin's Creed II PCat 1920x1080p+MSAA:8X+All Settings:Max with external AMD Radeon HD 5770 +Intel Core 2 Duo based laptop and ViDock 4from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC8Ua1cc36c&feature=related

what are sony gonna do. tell all ps3 users to solder on new connections for these slow ports hahahhaa

My post is designed for "we don't have any external CPUs/GPUs on PC" claim.

Anyway, PS3 includes some broken design i.e. http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1007286/ps3-hardware-slow-broken

Notice 16MB/s for CELL Read for VRAM. Good job blue team....

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#119 Firebird-5
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[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

No external GPU on the PC??? Refer to "ViDock 4" external GPU box i.e. http://vidock4.com/videos.aspx

Intel Nehalem era laptop PCs includes ExpressCard 2.0 slot which equals PCI-Express 1.0 2X

Intel Sandybridge era laptop PCs includes ExpressCard 3.0 slot which equals PCI-Express 1.0 4X

DIY ViDock from http://forum.notebookreview.com/gaming-software-graphics-cards/418851-diy-vidock-experiences.html#post5324240

Console beating Devil May Cry 4 PC at 1920x1200+MSAA:4X+All Settings:Highwith external AMD Radeon HD 4670+Intel Core 2 Duo based laptop and ViDock 2 from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE5NmURV5P8

Assassin's Creed II PCat 1920x1080p+MSAA:8X+All Settings:Max with external AMD Radeon HD 5770 +Intel Core 2 Duo based laptop and ViDock 4from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC8Ua1cc36c&feature=related

ronvalencia

what are sony gonna do. tell all ps3 users to solder on new connections for these slow ports hahahhaa

My post is designed for "we don't have any external CPUs/GPUs on PC" claim.

well my post was designed for the topic

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#120 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

what are sony gonna do. tell all ps3 users to solder on new connections for these slow ports hahahhaa

My post is designed for "we don't have any external CPUs/GPUs on PC" claim.

well my post was designed for the topic

It doesn't answer Abuabed 's "we don't have any external CPUs/GPUs on PC" claim.
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#121 blaznwiipspman1
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the expansion pack for n64 was brilliant. You couldn't even see it as they designed all n64 systems beforehand for this kinda thing. With the ps3 there is no where to put the external processor except for an external USB connection. Another issue is price. Nintendo gave expansion packs away for FREEEEEEE with Donkey Kong 64...(a great game btw). This external processor sounds expensive.

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#122 Gamingclone
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Lol

talk about trying to hard to be a pc.

People already compair the PS3 to pc, why make it more compairable?

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#123 Cherokee_Jack
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LMAO, gotta pick up my PS3 Expansion Pak so I can play Donkey Kong 64 on it. I doubt it's going to happen, but this sounds like the worst idea ever.
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#124 ronvalencia
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At TC. The patent includes "In accordance with one or more embodiments, the multi-processor system may be implemented as a single-chip solution operable for stand-alone and/or distributed processing of media-rich applications, such as game systems, home terminals, PC systems, server systems and workstations". Sony's patent includes other systems besides game systems.

PS; Sony's patent is in conflict with

1. AMD's HyperTransport based multi-co-processor setups and XGP external GPU setups..

2.Intel/PCI-SIG's PCI Express External Cabling standardhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express#PCI_Express_External_Cabling

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#125 fueled-system
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So its basically the Nintendo 64 Expansion pack? Not really interested

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#126 abuabed
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I actually didn't know people are still using external GPUs/CPUs these days. Thought they all perished since they perform badly compared to the internal ones. Nonetheless we'll get less performance with an external CPU/GPU compared to an internal one. and for a PS3 if you don't have a wireless network or prefer to connect it with a wire you'll have to sacrifice that one Ethernet port for a little eye candy.

EDIT: I see my "no PC external GPUs/CPUs" made quite a mess :P It should have been "we don't usually use external CPUs/GPUs" and that is for performance sake. They are available, that's true but they perform poorly in comparison.

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#127 Plagueless
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That bit about "PS3.5" is complete speculation. In fact it doesn't make any sense, considering the PS3 doesn't have any high-bandwidth external ports.

Teufelhuhn
ethernet dude
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#128 Sushiglutton
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Could it be that they need more power to fully go 3D? Since non-3D games are maxing out the hardware they need more juice so 3D games won't look worse. Sony is all about 3D these days, so their game platform must be able to deliver. At the same time they may not be ready for next gen. Just speculating :)!
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#129 abuabed
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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

That bit about "PS3.5" is complete speculation. In fact it doesn't make any sense, considering the PS3 doesn't have any high-bandwidth external ports.

Plagueless
ethernet dude

Yeah, that's slow for main components like CPU, memory..etc. It does work of course but it's not the usual way of connecting CPUs to mobos....and is slower.
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#130 lowe0
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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

That bit about "PS3.5" is complete speculation. In fact it doesn't make any sense, considering the PS3 doesn't have any high-bandwidth external ports.

Plagueless
ethernet dude

Riiiiiiiiight. Nowhere near enough bandwidth. Ethernet works great as an interconnect for clusters where you can dump a computationally-intensive job into queue and pick it up later, but for real-time processing under 33ms (30 fps), I don't think it's going to work. Unless Sony hid an InfiniBand port on there that I'm not aware of, this just isn't gonna happen.
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#131 archvile_78
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The PS32X?

hakanakumono

Oh no you didn't!

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#132 hippiesanta
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I dont care of the drawback on marketing.... as long as my ps3 bulk up power with half price of a new console... then I would be happy.
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#133 Firebird-5
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I dont care of the drawback on marketing.... as long as my ps3 bulk up power with half price of a new console... then I would be happy.hippiesanta

buy a pc

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#134 hippiesanta
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[QUOTE="hippiesanta"]I dont care of the drawback on marketing.... as long as my ps3 bulk up power with half price of a new console... then I would be happy.Firebird-5

buy a pc

I already have a pc, and pc game library stinks. keyboard and mouse sucks for gaming
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#135 Phazevariance
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They can add an external processor to help increase the processing power, but how can they get around the bottleneck on the main bus that reduces their overall throughput of data? The extra processed information will still take the same time to get to the ocmponents of the console, so its more like PS3.25 instead of PS3.5...

It needs two things, a stand alone physics processor, and a better video card (and a ram upgrade could not hurt) and then it would be a huge addon. It would also be a PC.

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#136 delta3074
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the Ps3 needs more RAM not an extra processor, adding another processor is pointless without upgrading the RAM as well,lol
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Why couldn't they release something like this, and games made after its on the market would be developed to take advantage of the extra horsepower. Sorta like how all pc games don't look the greatest unless you have the latest and badess gpu. So joe blow without the addon, plays his normal ps3 game, while people with it gets an overall boost. If done like this no one is missing out on a great game but the people such as myself that would buy the addon would be playing a ps3 game on steroids lol.

I wonder if Sony would impliment this addon with this kind of strategy?

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#138 abuabed
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[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

[QUOTE="hippiesanta"]I dont care of the drawback on marketing.... as long as my ps3 bulk up power with half price of a new console... then I would be happy.hippiesanta

buy a pc

I already have a pc, and pc game library stinks. keyboard and mouse sucks for gaming

You must know a lot about PC gaming which is why you know that all PC library stinks :roll: As if not 90% of the 360/PS3 multiplats are also on PC with better performance/graphics.
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#139 JohnF111
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That bit about "PS3.5" is complete speculation. In fact it doesn't make any sense, considering the PS3 doesn't have any high-bandwidth external ports.

Teufelhuhn
This, also same for the external PS2 B/C machine... Total nonsense and most likely just Sony experimenting with what's capable these days, no need to get hopes up or quit gaming because you might need to buy it someday.. Most likely never gonna happen.
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#140 JohnF111
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[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

[QUOTE="hippiesanta"]I dont care of the drawback on marketing.... as long as my ps3 bulk up power with half price of a new console... then I would be happy.hippiesanta

buy a pc

I already have a pc, and pc game library stinks. keyboard and mouse sucks for gaming

I agree that Keyboard sucks for gaming, but mouse doesn't... Its mostly the fact people are used to keyboard these days and find it better but its a large slab with buttons on it not designed with gaming in mind and i'm a pc gamer so not like i'm just a console fanboy, as for library you're wrong it has way way more and better games than consoles.
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#141 muscleserge
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They would be better off overclcoking the system slightly, that g71 chip can run at 500mhz without voltage modifications, maybe even 550mhz, OC the Cell too, and up the fan speeds. This could be done with a firmware update.
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#142 leadernator
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Lol

talk about trying to hard to be a pc.

People already compair the PS3 to pc, why make it more compairable?

Gamingclone

To make better games

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#143 Pbjb989
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The also patented a touch controller, 'Playstation Arc', and external PS2 emulation.

This won't happen.

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#144 leadernator
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N64 Expansion Pak SEGA 32X SEGA CD Turbo CD Atari Jaguar CD When will these companies learn that add-ons like these are a bad idea? savebattery

Wii motion plus? Move? Kinect? All add ons buddy... w/ a different marketing spin.

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#145 Chrome-
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[QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"]

Why couldn't they release something like this, and games made after its on the market would be developed to take advantage of the extra horsepower. Sorta like how all pc games don't look the greatest unless you have the latest and badess gpu. So joe blow without the addon, plays his normal ps3 game, while people with it gets an overall boost. If done like this no one is missing out on a great game but the people such as myself that would buy the addon would be playing a ps3 game on steroids lol.

I wonder if Sony would impliment this addon with this kind of strategy?

Yes that was what I was thinking lmao... I think me and you are the only ones in this topic that has this view in mind.
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#146 Grovilis
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I'm interested on how this is going to turn out.

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#147 lowe0
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Why couldn't they release something like this, and games made after its on the market would be developed to take advantage of the extra horsepower. Sorta like how all pc games don't look the greatest unless you have the latest and badess gpu. So joe blow without the addon, plays his normal ps3 game, while people with it gets an overall boost. If done like this no one is missing out on a great game but the people such as myself that would buy the addon would be playing a ps3 game on steroids lol.

I wonder if Sony would impliment this addon with this kind of strategy?

GreyFoXX4
Nope. It fragments the install base, and increases the complexity of development. Better off spending the money on performance enhancements in the software stack, which doesn't have these problems. Besides, Sony is already having enough trouble with hardware security; an interconnect is just going to add another attack vector.
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#148 codezer0
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What was all the other pointless crap?UCF_Knight
Oh god, where do I start? - Unremovable App icons in the XMB - PSHome - PSMove - (removing) OtherOS (and removing it retroactively) - Half-assed 3D support that requires an overpriced TV and equally overpriced glasses - a "Photo app" that is no different from the core photo viewer already part of the ps3's OS - a "video uploader" when no games actually support recording video of gameplay to have content worth sharing.

If they really did that it would prove that:

1.PS3 and Sonys "theory" about 10 year old slow burning plan will fail without adding more power to actually push them above competition.

2.PS3 is maxed and they dont have money to go into new console year or two from now.

3.They are crazy.

Yea...its not gonna happen.No freakin way its gonna happen.

Bus-A-Bus
We're talking about the same company that has made about eight different versions of the same memory stick standard, at least fourteen (!!!!) internal revisions of the same PlayStation 2, more than a dozen different ps3's to begin with (most of which are token changes at best), was founded by Krazy Ken and is now being run by his puppet, Kaz Hirai. You bet your ass they're crazy enough to go this route, and in all likelyhood, will. *notices your avatar* oh, and... YOU're fired!

Bad idea, really bad idea.

Jesus_on_fire
It also ignores the key weakness of the ps3. In going bluray this gen, they also had to settle with a very low-speed BD drive, which simply can't deliver data from their discs fast enough... especially since Sony arbitrarily requires every ps3 game to be on a BluRay, even when it didn't need the extra space. Thus ps3 games get mandatory installs just to perform on parity with a 360 game running entirely off its DVD drive, while most games on 360 then ripped to the hard disk will load and play faster still. the ps3 desperately needed a faster-speed BD drive to have made appreciable use of its strengths. All the power in the world can't help if the data isn't getting to the hardware fast enough. And that is why the ps3 needed to break out of Sony's jail.
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#149 Tony-Baxter
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I don't know if that's a good idea

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#150 bushidotu
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Hey did the cell ever achieve there goal to cure cancer? LOL