PS3's biggest flaw: partitioned RAM. PS3 holding back multiplats??

the PS3 has 256 system and 256 video

The 360 has 512 unified, which I wouldn't be surprised is usually cut up into 256/256.

the PS3 has 256 system and 256 video

The 360 has 512 unified, which I wouldn't be surprised is usually cut up into 256/256.

swazidoughman

[QUOTE="swazidoughman"]

the PS3 has 256 system and 256 video

The 360 has 512 unified, which I wouldn't be surprised is usually cut up into 256/256.

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But it still can be used any way the developers like and the 360 also has 10MB of ED-RAM which helps a ton with AA.

ps3 is not holding back anything, its the devs.

multiplats are made from ground up on 360 most of the time.

devs dont use the XDR memory on ps3 the same way as with exclusives, most of bad ports like FO3 only use 256mb of DDR3 because XDR memory needs its own coding from ground up.

Look at Uncharted, MGS4, KZ2, LBP, R2, etc, they have everything when the game is made from ground up, from textures, animation, physics, etc. Some multiplats like Burnout also look awesome on ps3 cuz devs coded the game so it can take advantage of ps3 hardware.

They're even. Let's just leave it at that.carljohnson3456

Not even close the 360 uses unified GDDR3 and the PS3 uses XDR RAM theres a big difference.

So like um isn't the ps3 ram also xdr ram and runs about 3ghz. So the memory the rsx uses is likely some gddr3 you'd find on a geforce card of some sort. Seems like xbox may have the weaker ram if all 512 is probably something like ddr2 since at the time ddr3 didn't exist. So that may mean the cpu is stuck with slower speed ram whereas the ps3 at least cannot shift the ram around it has much faster ram available to the cpu.

Remember also since nearly all console games are only like somethingx720(maybe even lower like 640) and then upscaled to 1920x1080 or 1280x720. 256mb is plenty for most computer video cards to run a resolution of 1280x1024 for nearly all games. More video memory is only needed for like 1600x1200 and higher. A 4870 1gb like in my computer really only helps at resolutions of 1920x1200 or 2560x1600; a 4870 512mb is plenty for like 1680x1050; it even does pretty good for 1920x1200 though the 1gb edges it out a little at that res. What makes you guys think a console needs more than 256mb for the video card when the resolution for most console games isn't even 1280x1024.

Oh one quick note fellas don't confuse ddr with gddr they are similar but not the same. Ddr3 has only been out since about the nforce 790i, intel x chipsets, etc... While gddr3 has been out for much longer.

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]They're even. Let's just leave it at that.nVidiaGaMer

Not even close the 360 uses unified GDDR3 and the PS3 uses XDR RAM theres a big difference.

The problem seems to be that if devs want to devote more than 256 mb to graphics, they can do so on 360 but not PS3. Deathtransit

The problem seems to be that if devs want to devote more than 256 mb to graphics, they can do so on 360 but not PS3. But Uncharted KZ2, and MGS4 do look better than what I've seen 360. So how do those devs compensate for the lack of available RAM for the graphics? teh cell? And why wouldn't Sony just unify the RAM for dev simplicity and just use the cell for even more superiority?Deathtransit

Dude a computer video card doesn't need really anymore than 256mb to run a res of 1280x1024; pssst that's higher than 1280x720(720p). So why would a console gpu need more than 256mb when most games are less than 1280x720. The biggest weakness is probably not more than 256mb available to the cpus.

What is neat about the xbox is like for halo3 they could probably have the cpu have more than 256mb available since the crap low resolution of the textures wouldn't use much space. Whereas with ps3 you're stuck with 256mb no matter what for the cpu.

[QUOTE="nVidiaGaMer"]

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]They're even. Let's just leave it at that.carljohnson3456

Not even close the 360 uses unified GDDR3 and the PS3 uses XDR RAM theres a big difference.

The problem seems to be that if devs want to devote more than 256 mb to graphics, they can do so on 360 but not PS3. But Uncharted KZ2, and MGS4 do look better than what I've seen 360. So how do those devs compensate for the lack of available RAM for the graphics? teh cell? And why wouldn't Sony just unify the RAM for dev simplicity and just use the cell for even more superiority?Deathtransit

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[QUOTE="Deathtransit"]The problem seems to be that if devs want to devote more than 256 mb to graphics, they can do so on 360 but not PS3. Teufelhuhn

the PS3 has 256 system and 256 video

The 360 has 512 unified, which I wouldn't be surprised is usually cut up into 256/256.

swazidoughman

both systerms need more ram. coz they both claimed that the nextgen was going to be teh HD era! so they should give us true native 1080p! Great_Ragnarok

I have Geforce 9650M GT (yet another 8 ROP GPU) with 1GBVRAM and it doesn't run 1080p multi-platfrom games smoothly.

ATIRadeon HD 4670 can play GRID racing game at 1080p at medium details, which is not bad.

ps3 is not holding back anything, its the devs.

multiplats are made from ground up on 360 most of the time.

devs dont use the XDR memory on ps3 the same way as with exclusives, most of bad ports like FO3 only use 256mb of DDR3 because XDR memory needs its own coding from ground up.

Look at Uncharted, MGS4, KZ2, LBP, R2, etc, they have everything when the game is made from ground up, from textures, animation, physics, etc. Some multiplats like Burnout also look awesome on ps3 cuz devs coded the game so it can take advantage of ps3 hardware.

ZoomZoom2490

this ^

[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"]

ps3 is not holding back anything, its the devs.

multiplats are made from ground up on 360 most of the time.

devs dont use the XDR memory on ps3 the same way as with exclusives, most of bad ports like FO3 only use 256mb of DDR3 because XDR memory needs its own coding from ground up.

Look at Uncharted, MGS4, KZ2, LBP, R2, etc, they have everything when the game is made from ground up, from textures, animation, physics, etc. Some multiplats like Burnout also look awesome on ps3 cuz devs coded the game so it can take advantage of ps3 hardware.

Ipik_Fenris

this ^

The problem seems to be that if devs want to devote more than 256 mb to graphics, they can do so on 360 but not PS3. But Uncharted KZ2, and MGS4 do look better than what I've seen 360. So how do those devs compensate for the lack of available RAM for the graphics? teh cell? And why wouldn't Sony just unify the RAM for dev simplicity and just use the cell for even more superiority?Deathtransit

I believe back then two 256MB XDR cost less than one 512MB XDR.

[QUOTE="Deathtransit"]The problem seems to be that if devs want to devote more than 256 mb to graphics, they can do so on 360 but not PS3. But Uncharted KZ2, and MGS4 do look better than what I've seen 360. So how do those devs compensate for the lack of available RAM for the graphics? teh cell? And why wouldn't Sony just unify the RAM for dev simplicity and just use the cell for even more superiority?dragonpuppy

I believe back then two 256MB XDR cost less than one 512MB XDR.

[QUOTE="dragonpuppy"]

[QUOTE="Deathtransit"]The problem seems to be that if devs want to devote more than 256 mb to graphics, they can do so on 360 but not PS3. But Uncharted KZ2, and MGS4 do look better than what I've seen 360. So how do those devs compensate for the lack of available RAM for the graphics? teh cell? And why wouldn't Sony just unify the RAM for dev simplicity and just use the cell for even more superiority?ronvalencia

I believe back then two 256MB XDR cost less than one 512MB XDR.

Hahahaha. That's why I was so confused when I looked at the reasoning behind dual XDRs. Thanks for clearing that up.

[QUOTE="havokmaster"]Epic games said they squeezed everything they could out of the 360 for Gears Of War 2. Guerilla said they hit 60% of the PS3s potential with Killzone 2. You tell me which looks better...McdonaIdsGuy

Lol. Just lol.

AH you do realize that the ps3 gpu can use system ram and the cell can used video ram if needed, using nvidia turbo-cache like tech, it just gets a tad slower when done that way, but still used.world69star69

both systems should have had 1-1.5gb ram. 512mb is one huge bottleneck.imprezawrx500

both systems should have had 1-1.5gb ram. 512mb is one huge bottleneck.imprezawrx500

both systems should have had 1-1.5gb ram. 512mb is one huge bottleneck.imprezawrx500

having the memory bus at 128 bit is even a bigger problem. If ps3 and 360 had 256 bit memory bus they would of had twice the memory bandwith without needing more MB and most games would of been in native 1080p.

[QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"][QUOTE="havokmaster"]Epic games said they squeezed everything they could out of the 360 for Gears Of War 2. Guerilla said they hit 60% of the PS3s potential with Killzone 2. You tell me which looks better...sh0vet

Lol. Just lol.

ps3 is not holding back anything, its the devs.

multiplats are made from ground up on 360 most of the time.>ZoomZoom2490

[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"]

ps3 is not holding back anything, its the devs.

multiplats are made from ground up on 360 most of the time.

devs dont use the XDR memory on ps3 the same way as with exclusives, most of bad ports like FO3 only use 256mb of DDR3 because XDR memory needs its own coding from ground up.

Look at Uncharted, MGS4, KZ2, LBP, R2, etc, they have everything when the game is made from ground up, from textures, animation, physics, etc. Some multiplats like Burnout also look awesome on ps3 cuz devs coded the game so it can take advantage of ps3 hardware.

Ipik_Fenris

this ^

There actually is more evidence of the PS3 holding back multiplats rather than devs or the 360. When they were coded for the 360 multiplats performed better than the PS3 usually. When they code for the PS3 they run the same. You could make the argument that by deving for the PS3 they simply lowered the LCD(lowest common denominator)to the PS3 which the 360 can run without problem. When games are coded to take advantage of either system they can look awesome...and one could also argue that the 360 gets its results without as much TLC as PS3 games(360 usually has smaller dev teams, less dev time, and mutliplatform engines that don't truly "get to the metal" and exploit the 360.

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]both systems should have had 1-1.5gb ram. 512mb is one huge bottleneck.ZoomZoom2490

having the memory bus at 128 bit is even a bigger problem. If ps3 and 360 had 256 bit memory bus they would of had twice the memory bandwith without needing more MB and most games would of been in native 1080p.

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]They're even. Let's just leave it at that.nVidiaGaMer

Not even close the 360 uses unified GDDR3 and the PS3 uses XDR RAM theres a big difference.

[QUOTE="nVidiaGaMer"]

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]They're even. Let's just leave it at that.carljohnson3456

Not even close the 360 uses unified GDDR3 and the PS3 uses XDR RAM theres a big difference.