PS3s superior Technology will shine in 09

It's funny how nobody has tried to counter my post with 360 exclusives and why there are better.

Just more of "Yeah, that's what you said last year".

That's telling me something.

Graphics? Uncharted 1, which came out in 2007, still has better graphics than every 360 game.

KZ2, GT5, GoW3, Heavy Rain, what 360 game can compete with these? Please, tell me, I'm interested.

urdead18

Uncharted 1, which came out in 2007, still has better graphics than every PS3 game as well.

2nd generation games like R2 and Motorstorm2 do not look better than Uncharted 1.

Think about that.

MGS4 almost looks as good as Uncharted.

How does that change the fact that it looks better than 360 games? It's on Ps3, why would it have to compete with other Ps3 games?

Atm it looks better than Ps3 games, but Uncharted 2 and the aforementioned games are coming out soon, it'll be dethroned by another Ps3 game, I don't see how 360 wins here.

Wtf is wrong with home? It's great to get in touch with people and for God's sake it's FREE and OPTIONAL.urdead18

Those are optional as well.

How does that change the fact that it looks better than 360 games?urdead18

Those are optional as well.

urdead18

Really? Gears of War 2 looks better than Uncharted + MGS4? Not to mention KZ2 and the others.

That's news to me.

Gears 2 is by no means a bad-looking game, nor is a bad game overall. It's just not better-looking than these games. I have Gears for PC and honestly I don't care for it. It's too repetetive. It also makes me angry every time I get in cover he loves to bash the wall, it looks like he's TRYING to break his shoulder.

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Those are optional as well.

DeadMan1290

MGS4 almost looks as good as Uncharted.

How does that change the fact that it looks better than 360 games? It's on Ps3, why would it have to compete with other Ps3 games?

Atm it looks better than Ps3 games, but Uncharted 2 and the aforementioned games are coming out soon, it'll be dethroned by another Ps3 game, I don't see how 360 wins here.

urdead18

Really? Gears of War 2 looks better than Uncharted + MGS4? Not to mention KZ2 and the others.

That's news to me.

Gears 2 is by no means a bad-looking game, nor is a bad game overall. It's just not better-looking than these games. I have Gears for PC and honestly I don't care for it. It's too repetetive. It also makes me angry every time I get in cover he loves to bash the wall, it looks like he's TRYING to break his shoulder.

urdead18

Really? Gears of War 2 looks better than Uncharted + MGS4? Not to mention KZ2 and the others.

That's news to me.

Gears 2 is by no means a bad-looking game, nor is a bad game overall. It's just not better-looking than these games. I have Gears for PC and honestly I don't care for it. It's too repetetive. It also makes me angry every time I get in cover he loves to bash the wall, it looks like he's TRYING to break his shoulder.

urdead18

What sequels can compete with those games I mentioned?

360 has had a year longer to spit out graphically-superior games. I'm still not seeing any.

If you're talking about Uncharted 1 vs 2, of course 2 will look better, I was saying the best current game graphics-wise will be dethroned by another Ps3 game, I don't see how 360 wins here. I think you mis-interpreted my post.

MGS4 almost looks as good as Uncharted.

How does that change the fact that it looks better than 360 games? It's on Ps3, why would it have to compete with other Ps3 games?

Atm it looks better than Ps3 games, but Uncharted 2 and the aforementioned games are coming out soon, it'll be dethroned by another Ps3 game, I don't see how 360 wins here.

urdead18

Think it through.

If 2nd generation games are not looking as good as Uncharted 1, it gives us insight as to how high the bar has already been set, and how difficult it is going to be to radically improve on that (WOW).

Instead, we can expected to see Uncharted 2 improve upon Uncharted 1 in the order of magnitude that GeOW2 improved on GeOW1...yes, noticeable, yes an improvement....but not WOW.

The 360 doesn't need to win. It just needs to be close. If a few games look marginally better on the PS3 than the whole illusion of the 'next gen starts when we say it does' kinda disappears.

Point being there won't be a significant clear winner on visuals.

I was in the KZ2 multiplayer beta and it looks quite a bit better than Gears 2...

Now, a fully-polished single player version?

Incredible.

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MGS4 almost looks as good as Uncharted.

How does that change the fact that it looks better than 360 games? It's on Ps3, why would it have to compete with other Ps3 games?

Atm it looks better than Ps3 games, but Uncharted 2 and the aforementioned games are coming out soon, it'll be dethroned by another Ps3 game, I don't see how 360 wins here.

SUD123456

Think it through.

If 2nd generation games are not looking as good as Uncharted 1, it gives us insight as to how high the bar has already been set, and how difficult it is going to be to radically improve on that (WOW).

Instead, we can expected to see Uncharted 2 improve upon Uncharted 1 in the order of magnitude that GeOW2 improved on GeOW1...yes, noticeable, yes an improvement....but not WOW.

The 360 doesn't need to win. It just needs to be close. If a few games look marginally better on the PS3 than the whole illusion of the 'next gen starts when we say it does' kinda disappears.

Point being there won't be a significant clear winner on visuals.

ANYWAYS, I have to go now, cya later.

What sequels can compete with those games I mentioned?

360 has had a year longer to spit out graphically-superior games. I'm still not seeing any.

If you're talking about Uncharted 1 vs 2, of course 2 will look better, I was saying the best current game graphics-wise will be dethroned by another Ps3 game, I don't see how 360 wins here. I think you mis-interpreted my post.

urdead18

. However in terms of graphics comparisons for the multi-platform games, the 360 has trumped the PS3 on every game thus far.LikeHaterade

Really? Gears of War 2 looks better than Uncharted + MGS4? Not to mention KZ2 and the others.

That's news to me.

Gears 2 is by no means a bad-looking game, nor is a bad game overall. It's just not better-looking than these games. I have Gears for PC and honestly I don't care for it. It's too repetetive. It also makes me angry every time I get in cover he loves to bash the wall, it looks like he's TRYING to break his shoulder.

urdead18

I see your attempts to digress as well, I don't see how Gears 2's repetitive and linear gameplay, or subtle details such as cover animations; have anything to do with its exceptional visuals. I personally despise the game and consider it overrated; but that's up for another discussion. The visuals, however, can not be overlooked.

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]. However in terms of graphics comparisons for the multi-platform games, the 360 has trumped the PS3 on every game thus far.Salt_The_Fries

What sequels can compete with those games I mentioned?urdead18

You fail to see the point that many are trying to make. Microsoft are not going to lie down in 2009 and simply take a beating, unless they're planning to throw in the towel. They may very well announce a heap of game (sequels if you will) at GDC in a Gears 2-esque fashion - just like they did this year.

Also, this exact pattern of listing various exclusive games is something that the cows have been doing for the past two years, only to witness said hyped games flop both critically and commercially. Exactly what renders the games you mentioned immune to a similar treatment?

I remember hearing that from all the Sony fans last year. :lol:LikeHaterade

[QUOTE="urdead18"]

What sequels can compete with those games I mentioned?

You fail to see the point that many are trying to make. Microsoft are not going to lie down in 2009 and simply take a beating, unless they're planning to throw in the towel. They may very well announce a heap of game (sequels if you will) at GDC in a Gears 2-esque fashion - just like they did this year.

Also, this exact pattern of listing various exclusive games is something that the cows have been doing for the past two years, only to witness said hyped games flop both critically and commercially. Exactly what renders the games you mentioned immune to a similar treatment?

True, but irrelevant to the topic.

There's a few games that are actually exclusive, albeit they'll probably eventually go to PC, but atm they are exclusive.

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]I remember hearing that from all the Sony fans last year. :lol:djsifer01

You have yet to provide reasons why it won't happen in 2009.

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[QUOTE="urdead18"]

What sequels can compete with those games I mentioned?urdead18

You fail to see the point that many are trying to make. Microsoft are not going to lie down in 2009 and simply take a beating, unless they're planning to throw in the towel. They may very well announce a heap of game (sequels if you will) at GDC in a Gears 2-esque fashion - just like they did this year.

Also, this exact pattern of listing various exclusive games is something that the cows have been doing for the past two years, only to witness said hyped games flop both critically and commercially. Exactly what renders the games you mentioned immune to a similar treatment?

As usual, games are flooded with positive impression in most, if not all, of the previews that surface before the game releases. Even Lair and Too Human were once praised.

And yes, just like a ton of promising sequel, I wholeheartedly believe KZ2, GT5 and God of War 3 can flop - commercially, unlikely (seeing what happened to Resistance 2, Motorstorm 2 as well as LBP casts some doubt though); and critically, just about anything can happen.

Also, visuals far from tell the whole story; a fact that games such as Lair, Doom 3, Heavenly Sword and quite a few more have proven. Gameplay is more often than not, the determining factor.

The fact remains that we aren't debating gameplay, we're debating graphics.

As I just mentioned, myself and many others have said KZ2 gameplay is awesome, so it flopping is pretty much out of the picture. Sales I couldn't care less, they don't mean anything to me. Of course I hope the games sell well so the devs make a profit, but i don't need them to sell alot for me to enjoy them.

GT5 and GoW3 are keeping much of the same gameplay, because it is already pretty perfect.

Oh, and I LOVED Lair, I beat it before I read a review and when I did read a review my mindset was that it would get 7.5+, imagine how shocked I was :P.

I really gotta go now, getting tired.

Cya later.

The fact remains that we aren't debating gameplay, we're debating graphics.urdead18

Err..we're also debating the "floppability" of games...where gameplay plays quite a role.

As I just mentioned, myself and many others have said KZ2 gameplay is awesome, so it flopping is pretty much out of the picture.

urdead18

It's never out of the picture, it's also quite a subjective matter, and whoever reviews KZ2 may very well dislike the gameplay for various reasons...just look at the latest iteration of Ratchet & Clank for crying out loud..

Oh, and I LOVED Lair, I beat it before I read a review and when I did read a review my mindset was that it would get 7.5+, imagine how shocked I was :P.

urdead18

Thanks for proving my point.

GT5 and GoW3 are keeping much of the same gameplay, because it is already pretty perfect.

urdead18

GT4 was credited as a slight disappointment though, by various sources. Forza became the preferred racer by critics.

"Don't fix what isn't broken" is an utter lie when there's room for improvement. :)

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Really? Gears of War 2 looks better than Uncharted + MGS4? Not to mention KZ2 and the others.

That's news to me.

Gears 2 is by no means a bad-looking game, nor is a bad game overall. It's just not better-looking than these games. I have Gears for PC and honestly I don't care for it. It's too repetetive. It also makes me angry every time I get in cover he loves to bash the wall, it looks like he's TRYING to break his shoulder.

DeadMan1290

Oh my word...how many "Just wait till 09" threads do we need? ToScA-

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]. However in terms of graphics comparisons for the multi-platform games, the 360 has trumped the PS3 on every game thus far.Salt_The_Fries

according to cows agenda, multiplats aren't even considered as games

Character design and armor design is pathedicdjsifer01

And in before you bash me in return, I backed my opinion by fact, you didn't ;)

[QUOTE="djsifer01"]Character design and armor design is pathedicSalt_The_Fries

And in before you bash me in return, I backed my opinion by fact, you didn't ;)

lmao, owned

[QUOTE="djsifer01"]Character design and armor design is pathedicSalt_The_Fries

And in before you bash me in return, I backed my opinion by fact, you didn't ;)

[QUOTE="Salt_The_Fries"]

[QUOTE="djsifer01"]Character design and armor design is pathedicdjsifer01

And in before you bash me in return, I backed my opinion by fact, you didn't ;)

well thats proof to me you dont own a ps3 because if you did you xbox would get no use because the games are alot better overall on ps3.djsifer01

why are you trying to make sony fanboys look bad? isn't that like, against the regulation?

[QUOTE="djsifer01"]well thats proof to me you dont own a ps3 because if you did you xbox would get no use because the games are alot better overall on ps3.CheckingAvailab

why are you trying to make sony fanboys look bad? isn't that like, against the regulation?

well thats proof to me you dont own a ps3. I own both and xbox maybe has 7 good games with no replay value. The PS3 has about 20 good games and some have alot of replay value. Trophie system PWNS achivements as well.djsifer01

That thing next to the plant on the left side is called a PS3.

[QUOTE="CheckingAvailab"]

[QUOTE="djsifer01"]well thats proof to me you dont own a ps3 because if you did you xbox would get no use because the games are alot better overall on ps3.djsifer01

why are you trying to make sony fanboys look bad? isn't that like, against the regulation?

post a pic of your 360 with your gamespot user name on it please?

I swear, SW is stuck in a TIIIIMMMEEE WWWAAAARRRPPP!!!

[QUOTE="djsifer01"]well thats proof to me you dont own a ps3. I own both and xbox maybe has 7 good games with no replay value. The PS3 has about 20 good games and some have alot of replay value. Trophie system PWNS achivements as well.afmsquid

[QUOTE="afmsquid"][QUOTE="djsifer01"]well thats proof to me you dont own a ps3. I own both and xbox maybe has 7 good games with no replay value. The PS3 has about 20 good games and some have alot of replay value. Trophie system PWNS achivements as well.djsifer01

He was proving that he owned a ps3 to you not comparing setups kid.

[QUOTE="afmsquid"][QUOTE="djsifer01"]well thats proof to me you dont own a ps3. I own both and xbox maybe has 7 good games with no replay value. The PS3 has about 20 good games and some have alot of replay value. Trophie system PWNS achivements as well.djsifer01

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