PS4 8gb GDDR5, a huge waste of fast memory?

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#151  Edited By btk2k2
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@Tighaman said:

that first statement is not true at all I've build plenty of pcs from regular desktops to gaming pcs and its common sense you don't use gddr5 for CPU task because while its great at doing heavy tasks it has a problem doing to small things that needed for the CPU. EVERY APU that's being used right now and coming out this year none of them are using ps4 APU why? They are all using ddr3 for cpu task if the ps4 was so advanced and so great Im sure AMD, NIVIDIA, and VALVE would have followed, sony cut corners tried to save money, you can deny it and yes I know how much gddr5 cost but it would cost more to put 3 different memory in a console than just putting one kind of RAM. Im not talking about benchmarks for a cpu because that not PS4 whole system it don't shows how it pertain to the ps4 arch.

It is not so much common sense as impossible because you cannot buy GDDR5 as a consumer. Even if memory manufacturers were to make GDDR5 memory sticks like they do DDR3 memory sticks it would need to be on a different sized DIMM and that would require motherboard manufacturers to produce motherboards that support the GDDR5 DIMM standard and it would also require a CPU/APU manufacturer to produce a chip with a memory controller that can talk to GDDR5. AMD were going to do this with Kaveri but the market is too small for it to be profitable for motherboard and memory manufacturers and without them onboard it is a non starter.

If Sony wanted to cut corners to save money they would have stuck with 4GB of GDDR5 rather than up it to 8GB. They could have used a 12 CU GPU like the Xbox 1 which would have reduce the die size of the chips and lowered the cooling requirements. The PS4 has been designed with a specific sale price in mind and it appears the engineers have done an excellent job of optimising the hardware for that price point.

If you want whole system benchmarks then look a BF4, AC4 etc

AC4 - Eurogamer "It's a rock-solid 30fps on PlayStation 4 at 1080p, while the Xbox One maintains a similar performance level at its reduced 900p resolution, with just one or two little hiccups."

BF4 - Eurogamer "Hard evidence of the PS4's frame-rate lead for the retail release of Battlefield 4 - even with its 50 per cent increase in resolution it can typically command a 10fps+ advantage during our stress-tests. However, both versions do have their pitfalls."

I could go on but there is little point as you have no clue what you are talking about.

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#152 Tighaman
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@btk2k2: them are benchmarks for launch titles yes but then you have to include time you got to work with the whole system and you and I know x1 system wasn't finalized until late August and AMD catalysis drives didn't come out until November and drivers to take advange of the embedded RAM this month so to me them are not really benchmarks and I wish yall really stop trying to say that its a hassle to put gddr5 in PC if they want to THEY MAKE TO RULES AND THEN SHOVE THE SHIT TO YOU that means if they though if was MORE EFFICIENT OR BETTER THAN WHAT THEY ARE USING NOW it would change that's why THEY DID PUT GDDR5 in GPUs because in was better for the TASK GDDR5 is NOT BETTER OR MORE EFFICIENT FOR THE CPU. folks Im not trying to argue with you I have lived on this earth long enough and at a job everyday where they make these decisions we are talking about right now THEY tell you that you have to go through the loops for the GDDR5 for system ram because if you say anything NEGATIVE you are stepping on someone in the industry foot or may burn a bridge or two and you don't want to do that in any industry.

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#153 MonsieurX
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@BattlefieldFan3 said:

@MonsieurX said:

@BattlefieldFan3 said:

@Tighaman said:

@CrownKingArthur: there are none that's why its a problem to the CPU you have to make drivers for that arch and its still not going to be 100% efficient. like I said good luck with that lol

GDDR5 isn't used for PC CPUs because CPUs don't consume as much bandwidth as modern GPUs do. How many times do I have to drill that into your skull?

With the GDDR5 RAM modules priced higher than DDR3 RAM modules, there is no economical reason to replace your current system RAM with GDDR5 because the limitations on current CPU technology can't utilize 100+ GB/s bandwidth.

PC manufacturers like DELL and HP know this. RAM manufacturers like Samsung and Hynix know this. As a result, DDR3 RAM is produced far more than GDDR5 RAM. Economies of scale lowered the price of DDR3 RAM sticks to consumer-friendly territories.

GDDR5 RAM, on the other hand, was limited only to mid to high-end GPUs, as it was more expensive to manufacture and that only sufficiently powerful GPUs can maximize high RAM bandwidth. No point in replacing DDR3 RAM with GDDR5 RAM for your CPU if you're going to get the same performance with either RAM modules and if GDDR5 RAM was more expensive to manufacture.

Someone doesn't know that GDDR stands for GRAPHICS double data rate and it can't be directly compared to DDR

The name doesn't matter when talking about utility. GDDR5 RAM is from the same memory architecture pool as DDR3 RAM, hence why the AMD 7750 and 7770 series had DDR3 as VRAM when they were first released.

http://www.game-debate.com/gpu/index.php?gid=1704&gid2=1186&compare=radeon-hd-7750-1gb-ddr3-vs-radeon-hd-7770-be-super-overclock-edition

GDDR5 was engineered to be used for graphics processing, which is why RAM manufacturers gave the G acronym to its name. It's a DDR3 RAM with much higher bandwidth.

"Like its predecessor, GDDR4, GDDR5 is based on DDR3 SDRAM memory which has double the data lines compared to DDR2 SDRAM, but GDDR5 also has 8-bit wide prefetch buffers similar to GDDR4."

Regardless, GDDR5 can be used for system RAM with no drawbacks except for cost. Look at how the PS4 OS mops the floor with the Xbone OS in terms of multitasking capabilities and fluidity. How many games can the Xbone install at once without lagging the system when browsing the web? 0. Just 1 install and your OS starts crawling.

The PS4 can install 8 at once without a hiccup (Personally tested).

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