PS4 diagrams from GDC

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

And how many of the cows hyping the PS4 and 8GB GDDR5 actually understand what they're seeing here?

ronvalencia

[QUOTE="senses_fail_06"]Ace as f*ck. Thank you Sony. faizan_faizan

damn hyroglyphics I can't read any of that :?

[QUOTE="wakefulness"]

[QUOTE="painguy1"] PS2 was pretty weak.

painguy1

It had good gfx. Though, I can't ever recal someone I knew having both Xbox and PS2. So I can't say I ever compared the gfx of the two. 

Never said the games looked bad, but on a technical level it was below that of the gamecube and xbox (which were pretty close) and more on par with the dreamcast than anything else.

Thats a lie because I own all 3, about 90% of all the games looked identical on all the platforms.  The only special things the xbox had was the Splinter cell series, NG and Doom.  The GC on the other hand only flexed its muscle with Twilight Princess, Metroid and RE4. Even then GOW2 on PS2 looked better then about 99% of games on either the GC or Xbox. 

[QUOTE="painguy1"]

[QUOTE="wakefulness"]

 

It had good gfx. Though, I can't ever recal someone I knew having both Xbox and PS2. So I can't say I ever compared the gfx of the two. 

AM-Gamer

Never said the games looked bad, but on a technical level it was below that of the gamecube and xbox (which were pretty close) and more on par with the dreamcast than anything else.

Thats a lie because I own all 3, about 90% of all the games looked identical on all the platforms.  The only special things the xbox had was the Splinter cell series, NG and Doom.  The GC on the other hand only flexed its muscle with Twilight Princess, Metroid and RE4. Even then GOW2 on PS2 looked better then about 99% of games on either the GC or Xbox. 

Star Fox Adventures, F-Zero GX, and Star Wars: Rogue Squadron II/III disagree.

Seriously, I think PS2's would catch fire trying to run something like F-Zero GX, especially at that speed.

Dat sexy ass GDDR5. Thank you Lord Kaz.

NathanDrakeSwag

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="wakefulness"]

 

It had good gfx. Though, I can't ever recal someone I knew having both Xbox and PS2. So I can't say I ever compared the gfx of the two. 

MonsieurX

The Xbox had better visuals than the PS2

the gamecube/xbox came a year after the ps2, they had upgraded tech because of that. The ps2 had good graphics for a 2000 console.

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="painguy1"]

Never said the games looked bad, but on a technical level it was below that of the gamecube and xbox (which were pretty close) and more on par with the dreamcast than anything else.

nintendoboy16

Thats a lie because I own all 3, about 90% of all the games looked identical on all the platforms.  The only special things the xbox had was the Splinter cell series, NG and Doom.  The GC on the other hand only flexed its muscle with Twilight Princess, Metroid and RE4. Even then GOW2 on PS2 looked better then about 99% of games on either the GC or Xbox. 

Star Fox Adventures, F-Zero GX, and Star Wars: Rogue Squadron II/III disagree.

Seriously, I think PS2's would catch fire trying to run something like F-Zero GX, especially at that speed.

While I agree hardware wise the PS2 had nothing on the Gamecube, I do think that god of war 2 does look better than any of those games you just listed. That was a general exception though, nothing else on the PS2 looked anywhere near as good.

I think now I know what HSA truly is, The CPU and GPU are unified, Both share data seamlessly unlike dedicated GPU and CPU where it has to go through "things" before the data has to be accessed.faizan_faizan

The diagrams do not at all look official. All the "?"s all over the place point towards some kind of postulation.

And how many of the cows hyping the PS4 and 8GB GDDR5 actually understand what they're seeing here?

seanmcloughlin

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]I think now I know what HSA truly is, The CPU and GPU are unified, Both share data seamlessly unlike dedicated GPU and CPU where it has to go through "things" before the data has to be accessed.PC_Otter

HSA essentially treats the entire APU as one device, not a CPU + GPU. The drivers and instruction set reflect it too.

Already corrected at beyond 3D since this is not an official diagram the clock speed of the jaguar cores is 1.6 Tessellation

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"] Current GCN hardware can handle multiple compute context. tormentos

AMD's GCN ISA documents shows compute partition capability.

From http://amddevcentral.com/afds/assets/presentations/2620_final.pdf

Slide 3: "Multiple Engine Architecture with Multi-Task Capabilities"

Slide 6: "Independent & Concurrent Grid/Group Dispatcher", "Background task scheduling"

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"] Current GCN hardware can handle multiple compute context. ronvalencia

[QUOTE="painguy1"]

[QUOTE="PSP107"]The PS2 was a beast machine.wakefulness

It had good gfx. Though, I can't ever recal someone I knew having both Xbox and PS2. So I can't say I ever compared the gfx of the two. 

I had both. Xbox had way better graphics, PS2 had way better games.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="tormentos"] Not at the same time with graphics did you fu**ing see the chart,PC had to stop one to do the other is the biggest argument now on Beyodn3D because that is true,sony actually added customization to the GPU dude something not found on current GCN.tormentos

Slide 40: "Multiple Concurrent Contexts", "Multiple ACE paths"

Have you looked into GCN ISA docs?

Topics like http://beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=62936&page=45 is not looking at GCN ISA docs i.e. the document for driver programmers.

From http://www.amd.com/br/Documents/GCN_Architecture_whitepaper.pdf

The graphics pipeline is orchestrated using the same set of techniques as the ACEs. Each stage of the 3D pipeline can operate concurrently, as can any ACEs - page 13

damn hyroglyphics I can't read any of that :?

Zaibach

At least you're honest about it and not pretending like some others around

I do, basically it translates to: Advantage=Sony Thank you Sony. Heil68

Damn, you nailed it man. You locked and loaded? Is your strap ready? 

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

damn hyroglyphics I can't read any of that :?

seanmcloughlin

At least you're honest about it and not pretending like some others around

Thank you so much, your constant condescension is very much appreciated :)

And how many of the cows hyping the PS4 and 8GB GDDR5 actually understand what they're seeing here?

seanmcloughlin

This seems vastly ahead of anything on PC, since it removes all bottlenecks that make PC games look nothing like Deep Down and Agnis

Both the unified ram and parallel processing is something PC does not have

You would have to buy a top 2000$+ PC in 2016 to match PS4 right now

This seems vastly ahead of anything on PC, since it removes all bottlenecks that make PC games look nothing like Deep Down and Agnis

Both the unified ram and parallel processing is something PC does not have

You would have to buy a top 2000$+ PC in 2016 to match PS4 right now

loosingENDS

[QUOTE="PSP107"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] Until GameCube and XBOX came along.nintendoboy16

Xbox and GC didnt blow away PS2 graphics.

XBOX had superior looking (and feeling) multiplats, as did GameCube in some instances (though for me, what version of said multiplat being superior has never been a deciding factor in buying a game, save for a few instances).

There's nothing on the PS2 that matches that of the Metroid Prime (GameCube) games, Rogue Squadron (GameCube, though to be fair, parts of RS II looked kind of lifeless), Star Fox Adventures (GameCube) Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory (XBOX version), and Doom 3 (XBOX).

Hell, PS2 ports of GameCube GAMES (RE4, Viewtiful Joe 1 and 2) look even worse.

someone translate it to us non master race scum.campzor

Can't wait to see this elegant monster shine.

I hear talk of Ps2 vs. Gamecube and Xbox graphics, Ps2 was decimated by either one esp. Xbox.  I don't know the number's but Gamecube could definitely output more than twice of what PS2 could at its best, and with low low load times to boot.

Ps2 was almost as much of a mess as Ps3 was in design (minus PS2's controller being good at the time) the only difference is Sony had the sales for the thing to get developer support that outweighed development issues.

It looks like it's actully 2 quad-core CPUs on one die with sperate cacheShadowriverUB

Jaguar only goes up to 4 core's so yeah.  Maybe they used really, really good duck tape. 

Now is clear how it can do Agnis and Deep Down graphics, it is miles ahead of PC in optimized hardware

PC has so many bottlenecks that will not match PS4 for the next 5-6 years

Now is clear how it can do Agnis and Deep Down graphics, it is miles ahead of PC in optimized hardware

PC has so many bottlenecks that will not match PS4 for the next 5-6 years

loosingENDS

Now is clear how it can do Agnis and Deep Down graphics, it is miles ahead of PC in optimized hardware

PC has so many bottlenecks that will not match PS4 for the next 5-6 years

loosingENDS

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]It looks like it's actully 2 quad-core CPUs on one die with sperate cacheChozofication

Jaguar only goes up to 4 core's so yeah.  Maybe they used really, really good duck tape. 

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Now is clear how it can do Agnis and Deep Down graphics, it is miles ahead of PC in optimized hardware

PC has so many bottlenecks that will not match PS4 for the next 5-6 years

MonsieurX

You imply that you can ? LOL

One thing is for sure, PC does not have the parallel processing or unified ram

I dont even need my computer science degree to see that and should not be hard for you to point that out either, even if you dont have computer knowledge at all

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Now is clear how it can do Agnis and Deep Down graphics, it is miles ahead of PC in optimized hardware

PC has so many bottlenecks that will not match PS4 for the next 5-6 years

loosingENDS

You imply that you can ? LOL

One thing is for sure, PC does not have the parallel processing or unified ram

I dont even need my computer science degree to see that and should not be hard for you to point that out either, even if you dont have computer knowledge at all

lol gddr5 is the most said word in SW now

Much weaker than PC according to that.

Now is clear how it can do Agnis and Deep Down graphics, it is miles ahead of PC in optimized hardware

PC has so many bottlenecks that will not match PS4 for the next 5-6 years

loosingENDS

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"] Current GCN hardware can handle multiple compute context. ronvalencia

AMD's GCN ISA documents shows compute partition capability.

From http://amddevcentral.com/afds/assets/presentations/2620_final.pdf

Slide 3: "Multiple Engine Architecture with Multi-Task Capabilities"

Slide 6: "Independent & Concurrent Grid/Group Dispatcher", "Background task scheduling"

Much efficient than PC according to that.

Jankarcop

fixed.  ;)

#GDDR5 #ThankYouSony!

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"] Confirms that you can't read those diagrams :lol:clyde46

You imply that you can ? LOL

One thing is for sure, PC does not have the parallel processing or unified ram

I dont even need my computer science degree to see that and should not be hard for you to point that out either, even if you dont have computer knowledge at all

Irrelevant link is irrelevant

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

You imply that you can ? LOL

One thing is for sure, PC does not have the parallel processing or unified ram

I dont even need my computer science degree to see that and should not be hard for you to point that out either, even if you dont have computer knowledge at all

loosingENDS

Irrelevant link is irrelevant