PS4 GPU already down to $144.99

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"] It will produce same graphics on same settings. So you where saying?Tessellation

7850: 1024 SPs, 64 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 153GB/s bandwidth.
PS4 : 1152 SPs, 72 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 176GB/s bandwidth.

(higher is better)

Also, for PC you need higher than the console equivalent.

AMD655 crushed most of these peasants :lol: i was actually trying to find these videos.

Tessellation

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] well its worse for PC gamers, thats even LESS games that will be targeted for high end machines, the enthusiasts market is going to shrivel into it's own assTheKingIAm

Sony must be really creepy then since they own/made Everquest, DCUO, Planetside (MMO FPS)

[QUOTE="TheKingIAm"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"] 2 genres are there to push PC gaming forward: STRATEGY MMOlostrib

Sony must be really creepy then since they own/made Everquest, DCUO, Planetside (MMO FPS)

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="TheKingIAm"] Creep genresTheKingIAm

Sony must be really creepy then since they own/made Everquest, DCUO, Planetside (MMO FPS)

[QUOTE="TheKingIAm"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

Sony must be really creepy then since they own/made Everquest, DCUO, Planetside (MMO FPS)

AMD655

Thats the exact same GPU thats in the PS4?R3FURBISHED

No it's not. It's had some customization done to it so it isn't identical to anything AMD is selling on the PC market right now. But anyway, considering that 2 of the CUs are disabled because of yields (So DF speculates anyway) it's actually more like a 7870 than a 7850 but downclocked.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="TheKingIAm"] Creep genresTheKingIAm

Sony must be really creepy then since they own/made Everquest, DCUO, Planetside (MMO FPS)

and apparently console creeps do too since DCUO is multiplat and PS2 is coming to PS4, which has console fanboys all excited.  Not to mention FFXI was also an MMORPG played on consoles

It's not a myth that hardware specifically built to run 3d applications is more powerful than jack-of-all trade hardware that is found in PCs. You can try to deny it by posting youtube things, but if you've ever worked with any graphics programming you would know the overhead OpenGL and DX impose on hardware.

A console CPU and GPU are going to be specifically tailored with the exact amount of hardware in mind. They don't need to know if there is varying amounts of RAM or different GPU power. All of their system specifications and architectures are the same. Hell even the chipsets are identical so there is absolutly no discrpencies on how the code is going to get complied on the hardware level and ran through the system. Those are all advantages you cannot ignore.

Those videos are all horribly misleading and not even well made. The clear fanboyish nature of them is apparent. The person who made them has clearly no idea what goes on at the hardware level nor what the consoles are even made of. The 7800 gtx was about twice as powerful as what was put into the PS3. The Playstation 3's GPU was really crap even for the time. Anything in the G80 series (8600, 8800) was also far more powerful than what was in the PS3 or Xbox 360. 

What's being put into the PS4 and Xbox One are at the best mid-range cards by today's standards. Currently GPUs on the market are more powerful than the hardware being put into the consoles. By next year there will be another generation of GPUs out that further outdates them. In 3-4 year time even the low-end PC GPUs will be more powerful than the consoles. However this whole time the consoles will continue to get better looking games on the same hardware. PC gamers will have to continually upgrade. That's just how it works.

It's not a myth that hardware specifically built to run 3d applications is more powerful than jack-of-all trade hardware that is found in PCs. You can try to deny it by posting youtube things, but if you've ever worked with any graphics programming you would know the overhead OpenGL and DX impose on hardware.

A console CPU and GPU are going to be specifically tailored with the exact amount of hardware in mind. They don't need to know if there is varying amounts of RAM or different GPU power. All of their system specifications and architectures are the same. Hell even the chipsets are identical so there is absolutly no discrpencies on how the code is going to get complied on the hardware level and ran through the system. Those are all advantages you cannot ignore.

Those videos are all horribly misleading and not even well made. The clear fanboyish nature of them is apparent. The person who made them has clearly no idea what goes on at the hardware level nor what the consoles are even made of. The 7800 gtx was about twice as powerful as what was put into the PS3. The Playstation 3's GPU was really crap even for the time. Anything in the G80 series (8600, 8800) was also far more powerful than what was in the PS3 or Xbox 360. 

Wasdie

the fact that he posted a 1GB 7850 as the "PS4 GPU" makes it pretty obvious this is a troll/fanboy bullshit

It's not a myth that hardware specifically built to run 3d applications is more powerful than jack-of-all trade hardware that is found in PCs. You can try to deny it by posting youtube things, but if you've ever worked with any graphics programming you would know the overhead OpenGL and DX impose on hardware.

A console CPU and GPU are going to be specifically tailored with the exact amount of hardware in mind. They don't need to know if there is varying amounts of RAM or different GPU power. All of their system specifications and architectures are the same. Hell even the chipsets are identical so there is absolutly no discrpencies on how the code is going to get complied on the hardware level and ran through the system. Those are all advantages you cannot ignore.

Those videos are all horribly misleading and not even well made. The clear fanboyish nature of them is apparent. The person who made them has clearly no idea what goes on at the hardware level nor what the consoles are even made of. The 7800 gtx was about twice as powerful as what was put into the PS3. The Playstation 3's GPU was really crap even for the time. Anything in the G80 series (8600, 8800) was also far more powerful than what was in the PS3 or Xbox 360. 

Wasdie

[QUOTE="AMD655"][QUOTE="TheKingIAm"] Is that what you call your hermit friends? I woulda been creeped out to.TheKingIAm

i find the racist/homophobic children, with an obsession with fvcking people's moms and yelling at every girl in chat, to be a lot creepier

It's not a myth that hardware specifically built to run 3d applications is more powerful than jack-of-all trade hardware that is found in PCs. You can try to deny it by posting youtube things, but if you've ever worked with any graphics programming you would know the overhead OpenGL and DX impose on hardware.

A console CPU and GPU are going to be specifically tailored with the exact amount of hardware in mind. They don't need to know if there is varying amounts of RAM or different GPU power. All of their system specifications and architectures are the same. Hell even the chipsets are identical so there is absolutly no discrpencies on how the code is going to get complied on the hardware level and ran through the system. Those are all advantages you cannot ignore.

Those videos are all horribly misleading and not even well made. The clear fanboyish nature of them is apparent. The person who made them has clearly no idea what goes on at the hardware level nor what the consoles are even made of. The 7800 gtx was about twice as powerful as what was put into the PS3. The Playstation 3's GPU was really crap even for the time. Anything in the G80 series (8600, 8800) was also far more powerful than what was in the PS3 or Xbox 360. 

Wasdie

[QUOTE="AMD655"][QUOTE="TheKingIAm"] Is that what you call your hermit friends? I woulda been creeped out to.TheKingIAm

Troll school is bad these days.

[QUOTE="TheKingIAm"][QUOTE="AMD655"] o.0 You telling me you do not know what a spider is?lostrib

i find the racist/homophobic children, with an obsession with fvcking people's moms and yelling at every girl in chat, to be a lot creepier

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

It's not a myth that hardware specifically built to run 3d applications is more powerful than jack-of-all trade hardware that is found in PCs. You can try to deny it by posting youtube things, but if you've ever worked with any graphics programming you would know the overhead OpenGL and DX impose on hardware.

A console CPU and GPU are going to be specifically tailored with the exact amount of hardware in mind. They don't need to know if there is varying amounts of RAM or different GPU power. All of their system specifications and architectures are the same. Hell even the chipsets are identical so there is absolutly no discrpencies on how the code is going to get complied on the hardware level and ran through the system. Those are all advantages you cannot ignore.

Those videos are all horribly misleading and not even well made. The clear fanboyish nature of them is apparent. The person who made them has clearly no idea what goes on at the hardware level nor what the consoles are even made of. The 7800 gtx was about twice as powerful as what was put into the PS3. The Playstation 3's GPU was really crap even for the time. Anything in the G80 series (8600, 8800) was also far more powerful than what was in the PS3 or Xbox 360. 

True_Gamer_

8000 series already launched

Just so you know, i am here to give info, not worshiping what every PC gamer here says. And you are correct in regards to the overhead of API's.AMD655

Those videos aren't good info though.

A more proper comparison would be Oblivion on a system with about 768mbs of RAM and a GPU with about 256mb of vram. The consoles have a major advantage of having much more direct access to the system resources. This is extremely dangerous.

If you've ever wondered why games take so long to be approved on the consoles it is because they could brick the system much more easily than you can brick a PC. DX and OpenGL on the PC have a lot more failsafes and much more protected access to system resources to prevent damaging hardware during errors. A console has only a limited amount of these failsafes. Dev's access to system resources is greater. They have to have high access otherwise they wouldn't be able to get as much performance out of the consoles and they would be further strapped for resources while developing games.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

It's not a myth that hardware specifically built to run 3d applications is more powerful than jack-of-all trade hardware that is found in PCs. You can try to deny it by posting youtube things, but if you've ever worked with any graphics programming you would know the overhead OpenGL and DX impose on hardware.

A console CPU and GPU are going to be specifically tailored with the exact amount of hardware in mind. They don't need to know if there is varying amounts of RAM or different GPU power. All of their system specifications and architectures are the same. Hell even the chipsets are identical so there is absolutly no discrpencies on how the code is going to get complied on the hardware level and ran through the system. Those are all advantages you cannot ignore.

Those videos are all horribly misleading and not even well made. The clear fanboyish nature of them is apparent. The person who made them has clearly no idea what goes on at the hardware level nor what the consoles are even made of. The 7800 gtx was about twice as powerful as what was put into the PS3. The Playstation 3's GPU was really crap even for the time. Anything in the G80 series (8600, 8800) was also far more powerful than what was in the PS3 or Xbox 360. 

lostrib

the fact that he posted a 1GB 7850 as the "PS4 GPU" makes it pretty obvious this is a troll/fanboy bullshit

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="TheKingIAm"] Yes, spider is code for your creepy hermit friends.(You dont wanna call them out, they're creepy)TheKingIAm

i find the racist/homophobic children, with an obsession with fvcking people's moms and yelling at every girl in chat, to be a lot creepier

Aren't all video games based on living out virtual lives?

just wait till the end of this year

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

It's not a myth that hardware specifically built to run 3d applications is more powerful than jack-of-all trade hardware that is found in PCs. You can try to deny it by posting youtube things, but if you've ever worked with any graphics programming you would know the overhead OpenGL and DX impose on hardware.

A console CPU and GPU are going to be specifically tailored with the exact amount of hardware in mind. They don't need to know if there is varying amounts of RAM or different GPU power. All of their system specifications and architectures are the same. Hell even the chipsets are identical so there is absolutly no discrpencies on how the code is going to get complied on the hardware level and ran through the system. Those are all advantages you cannot ignore.

Those videos are all horribly misleading and not even well made. The clear fanboyish nature of them is apparent. The person who made them has clearly no idea what goes on at the hardware level nor what the consoles are even made of. The 7800 gtx was about twice as powerful as what was put into the PS3. The Playstation 3's GPU was really crap even for the time. Anything in the G80 series (8600, 8800) was also far more powerful than what was in the PS3 or Xbox 360. 

True_Gamer_

the fact that he posted a 1GB 7850 as the "PS4 GPU" makes it pretty obvious this is a troll/fanboy bullshit

um what? What does that have to do with anything? The link you posted is not the PS4 GPU

This thread is so dumb

seanmcloughlin

[QUOTE="AMD655"] Just so you know, i am here to give info, not worshiping what every PC gamer here says. And you are correct in regards to the overhead of API's.Wasdie

Those videos aren't good info though.

A more proper comparison would be Oblivion on a system with about 768mbs of RAM and a GPU with about 256mb of vram. The consoles have a major advantage of having much more direct access to the system resources. This is extremely dangerous.

If you've ever wondered why games take so long to be approved on the consoles it is because they could brick the system much more easily than you can brick a PC. DX and OpenGL on the PC have a lot more failsafes and much more protected access to system resources to prevent damaging hardware during errors. A console has only a limited amount of these failsafes. Dev's access to system resources is greater. They have to have high access otherwise they wouldn't be able to get as much performance out of the consoles and they would be further strapped for resources while developing games.

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

the fact that he posted a 1GB 7850 as the "PS4 GPU" makes it pretty obvious this is a troll/fanboy bullshit

lostrib

um what? What does that have to do with anything? The link you posted is not the PS4 GPU

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"] It will produce same graphics on same settings. So you where saying?Tessellation

7850: 1024 SPs, 64 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 153GB/s bandwidth.
PS4 : 1152 SPs, 72 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 176GB/s bandwidth.

(higher is better)

Also, for PC you need higher than the console equivalent.

[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"] It's the closest example, but not the same.

7850: 1024 SPs, 64 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 153GB/s bandwidth.
PS4 : 1152 SPs, 72 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 176GB/s bandwidth.

(higher is better)

Also, for PC you need higher than the console equivalent.

ayoox1

With system memory not being seperate from Vram, (more like unified memory for all purposes) this generation will be different, it is too early to tell the power of thew consoles, but things look great on both platforms so far, and UE4 shows this off pretty well vs the PC. AMD655

Yeah that demo definintly showed that the GPUs in modern consoles are less than the high-end of PC, but they are still pretty darn powerful. Give devs more time to optimize that engine in general (on the PC apparently the indirect lighting was not working that well), and there will be some great looking games on the PS4/Xbox One.

However in a few years time we're going to have PC GPUs that are 4-5x more powerful than what is currently in the consoles. I also hope to see a push towards more tessellations. I believe the PS4 and Xbox One will have tessellation units in them. That should really help spread the load out.

[QUOTE="ayoox1"][QUOTE="Tessellation"] that's a myth debunked long time ago,please continue trying :cool:AMD655

:lol:

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="AMD655"] Just so you know, i am here to give info, not worshiping what every PC gamer here says. And you are correct in regards to the overhead of API's.AMD655

Those videos aren't good info though.

A more proper comparison would be Oblivion on a system with about 768mbs of RAM and a GPU with about 256mb of vram. The consoles have a major advantage of having much more direct access to the system resources. This is extremely dangerous.

If you've ever wondered why games take so long to be approved on the consoles it is because they could brick the system much more easily than you can brick a PC. DX and OpenGL on the PC have a lot more failsafes and much more protected access to system resources to prevent damaging hardware during errors. A console has only a limited amount of these failsafes. Dev's access to system resources is greater. They have to have high access otherwise they wouldn't be able to get as much performance out of the consoles and they would be further strapped for resources while developing games.

I was saying how well PS4 and X1 will do, but nevermind...

Who cares? Games aren't going to be much different anyways. Having more powerful hardware has never meant anything when it came to consoles. SNES/Genesis, 360/PS3/Wii, Xbox/Ps2. The more powerful almost never wins in the end. blackace

Let's look at your three examples though.

Genesis came out 2 years before SNES so it had a big head start. I can't remember who finished with more total sales but SNES was definitely outselling Genesis in the later years.

360 got a year head start and was ahead for a while but PS3 passed it eventually.

Xbox vs PS2 is really the only example you provided here where the weaker console dominated the more powerful one throughout their lifespans.

Being more powerful doesn't guarantee anything but it's certainly better to have more juice than your competetor does.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"] Post me a November 2005 GPU thats equivalent of the 360's GPU. Then Ill post a GPU that money can buy today.True_Gamer_

um what? What does that have to do with anything? The link you posted is not the PS4 GPU

Yes, the 7870 pushes more flops than PS4 but look at what it's clocked at. If DF is to be believed, they think that PS4 has 20 CUs in it (Just like 7870) but 2 are disabled because of yields, than architecture-wise 7870 would be a closer match for PS4's GPU than 7850 is, but gimped (2 CUs disabled, downclocked). But if ya wanna look at it solely according to flops than 7850 is a good comparison.

[QUOTE="blackace"]Who cares? Games aren't going to be much different anyways. Having more powerful hardware has never meant anything when it came to consoles. SNES/Genesis, 360/PS3/Wii, Xbox/Ps2. The more powerful almost never wins in the end. Wickerman777

Let's look at your three examples though.

Genesis came out 2 years before SNES so it had a big head start. I can't remember who finished with more total sales but SNES was definitely outselling Genesis in the later years.

360 got a year head start and was ahead for a while but PS3 passed it eventually.

Xbox vs PS2 is really the only example you provided here where the weaker console dominated the more powerful one throughout their lifespans.

Being more powerful doesn't guarantee anything but it's certainly better to have more juice than your competetor does.

[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"] It's the closest example, but not the same.

7850: 1024 SPs, 64 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 153GB/s bandwidth.
PS4 : 1152 SPs, 72 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 176GB/s bandwidth.

(higher is better)

Also, for PC you need higher than the console equivalent.

ayoox1

[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"] It's the closest example, but not the same.

7850: 1024 SPs, 64 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 153GB/s bandwidth.
PS4 : 1152 SPs, 72 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 176GB/s bandwidth.

(higher is better)

Also, for PC you need higher than the console equivalent.

ayoox1

You're the biggest idiot on the planet. So I'm not surprised you're spreading misinformation. Re-read Carmack's his tweet. It's nto what he's saying. 

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

[QUOTE="blackace"]Who cares? Games aren't going to be much different anyways. Having more powerful hardware has never meant anything when it came to consoles. SNES/Genesis, 360/PS3/Wii, Xbox/Ps2. The more powerful almost never wins in the end. savagetwinkie

Let's look at your three examples though.

Genesis came out 2 years before SNES so it had a big head start. I can't remember who finished with more total sales but SNES was definitely outselling Genesis in the later years.

360 got a year head start and was ahead for a while but PS3 passed it eventually.

Xbox vs PS2 is really the only example you provided here where the weaker console dominated the more powerful one throughout their lifespans.

Being more powerful doesn't guarantee anything but it's certainly better to have more juice than your competetor does.

Meh, all this crap about the weaker system usually winning is just that ... crap. What y'all should really be saying is that being first helps. Well duh, it certainly does. When that happens the latter console, and usually more powerful one, has to play catch-up for a while. But it ain't all that uncommon at all for the late-to-the-party and more powerful console to eventually catch up and perhaps even surpass the weaker, earlier console.

Xbox One vs PS4 is a little bit of a different animal though. Usually when you've got a power-chasm like this between two consoles it's because one of them came out a year earlier. But that ain't the case here. Both are launching in the same window so Xbox One ain't gonna be able to build up the big early lead that weaker consoles usually do.

The difference in performance, in real world game engines between the 7850 + a low end AMD CPU (sya another $60) and the PS4 is probably going to be the same as the PS4 and the Xbone. Which is to say, minimal. 

The PC will maybe get 10 FPS less than a PS4 at the same graphics levels.

And of course, unlike with the PS4, a 7850 can easily be overclocked to outperform the PS4.