PS4 GPU already down to $144.99

This thread is so dumb

seanmcloughlin

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] well its worse for PC gamers, thats even LESS games that will be targeted for high end machines, the enthusiasts market is going to shrivel into it's own assfaizan_faizan

Exactly. It's hard to get more "console centric" a developer than Infinity Ward. They own the largest console franchise ont he planet. And THEY are putting higher quality assets on the PC version of the next COD over what's going to be available on the "next gen" consoles.

All manner of developers and publishers are on record saying that they will be developing for PC and porting to consoles. It's the best possible workflow.

So expect your cr@ppy already outdated by like 2 years, consoles to age POORLY.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

Let's look at your three examples though.

Genesis came out 2 years before SNES so it had a big head start. I can't remember who finished with more total sales but SNES was definitely outselling Genesis in the later years.

360 got a year head start and was ahead for a while but PS3 passed it eventually.

Xbox vs PS2 is really the only example you provided here where the weaker console dominated the more powerful one throughout their lifespans.

Being more powerful doesn't guarantee anything but it's certainly better to have more juice than your competetor does.

Wickerman777

Meh, all this crap about the weaker system usually winning is just that ... crap. What y'all should really be saying is that being first helps. Well duh, it certainly does. When that happens the latter console, and usually more powerful one, has to play catch-up for a while. But it ain't all that uncommon at all for the late-to-the-party and more powerful console to eventually catch up and perhaps even surpass the weaker, earlier console.

Xbox One vs PS4 is a little bit of a different animal though. Usually when you've got a power-chasm like this between two consoles it's because one of them came out a year earlier. But that ain't the case here. Both are launching in the same window so Xbox One ain't gonna be able to build up the big early lead that weaker consoles usually do.

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] umm wii, psx, ps2 were all lesser systems and dominated, sega isn't a good example because they are stupid and run like chickens. They were winning in the US but for some reason, i can't remember why, bailed on their system.savagetwinkie

Meh, all this crap about the weaker system usually winning is just that ... crap. What y'all should really be saying is that being first helps. Well duh, it certainly does. When that happens the latter console, and usually more powerful one, has to play catch-up for a while. But it ain't all that uncommon at all for the late-to-the-party and more powerful console to eventually catch up and perhaps even surpass the weaker, earlier console.

Xbox One vs PS4 is a little bit of a different animal though. Usually when you've got a power-chasm like this between two consoles it's because one of them came out a year earlier. But that ain't the case here. Both are launching in the same window so Xbox One ain't gonna be able to build up the big early lead that weaker consoles usually do.

I never said it was all about power. You can have more power and still lose. But having more power is certainly a good thing.

And yes, PS3 is gonna finish ahead of 360 by a hair (It's such a razor-thin margin that it's practically a tie) but I disagree with you about it being better. If I had to decide it 10 times over again I'd pick 360 over PS3 10 more times.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

Meh, all this crap about the weaker system usually winning is just that ... crap. What y'all should really be saying is that being first helps. Well duh, it certainly does. When that happens the latter console, and usually more powerful one, has to play catch-up for a while. But it ain't all that uncommon at all for the late-to-the-party and more powerful console to eventually catch up and perhaps even surpass the weaker, earlier console.

Xbox One vs PS4 is a little bit of a different animal though. Usually when you've got a power-chasm like this between two consoles it's because one of them came out a year earlier. But that ain't the case here. Both are launching in the same window so Xbox One ain't gonna be able to build up the big early lead that weaker consoles usually do.

Wickerman777

I never said it was all about power. You can have more power and still lose. But having more power is certainly a good thing.

And yes, PS3 is gonna finish ahead of 360 by a hair (It's such a razor-thin margin that it's practically a tie) but I disagree with you about it being better. If I had to decide it 10 times over again I'd pick 360 over PS3 10 more times.

Sony shops on Newegg?navyguy21

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] well its worse for PC gamers, thats even LESS games that will be targeted for high end machines, the enthusiasts market is going to shrivel into it's own asssavagetwinkie

You're not a developer, hence why you don't know what you are tlaking about.

There are a number of reasons related to asset development and optimization, as well as renderer development that makes targetting PC then consoles an attractive proposition for most.

In 3 years developers will be releasing games on PC with higher rez textures, much more physics interation and particle effects, much more accurate per pixel effects, and longer view distances. Just like this generation, only it's startgin right out fo the gate.

You're right in that multi-plats won't feature truly expansive differences in terms of gameplay/world size/complexity. But there will be plenty of PC exclusives that WILL feature those things.

Like Rome II, for example. No game, not even on next gen consoles could handle 32,000 friggin units, all with AI, pathfinding and complex animations. The consoels don't have the CPU for it.

But PC's do. :P

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] Its definitly not all about power, like ps2 released after dream cast. What ends up winning are systems with a healthy amount of games in variety, psx, snes, ps2, all had that, ps3 ended up with more releases in the end 360 was basically a ps3 without blu-ray, exclusives, and paid online... ps3 was the better system not because of power but because of games.savagetwinkie

I never said it was all about power. You can have more power and still lose. But having more power is certainly a good thing.

And yes, PS3 is gonna finish ahead of 360 by a hair (It's such a razor-thin margin that it's practically a tie) but I disagree with you about it being better. If I had to decide it 10 times over again I'd pick 360 over PS3 10 more times.

Well, thank Don Mattrick for that. He hung around just long enough to kill the Xbox brand.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="faizan_faizan"] That's not true. I expect less, or not at all, console ports to PC. This time, it will be PC ports to consoles.Kinthalis

You're not a developer, hence why you don't know what you are tlaking about.

There are a number of reasons related to asset development and optimization, as well as renderer development that makes targetting PC then consoles an attractive proposition for most.

In 3 years developers will be releasing games on PC with higher rez textures, much more physics interation and particle effects, much more accurate per pixel effects, and longer view distances. Just like this generation, only it's startgin right out fo the gate.

You're right in that multi-plats won't feature truly expansive differences in terms of gameplay/world size/complexity. But there will be plenty of PC exclusives that WILL feature those things.

Like Rome II, for example. No game, not even on next gen consoles could handle 32,000 friggin units, all with AI, pathfinding and complex animations. The consoels don't have the CPU for it.

But PC's do. :P

FACT number one: a HD7850(with only a 5% OC) equals in performance the PS4 GPU (all through the 1GB version is not going to cut it, you will definitely need the 2GB or 4GB version)

FACT number two: console optimization is a myth.

FACT number one: a HD7850(with only a 5% OC) equals in performance the PS4 GPU (all through the 1GB version is not going to cut it, you will definitely need the 2GB or 4GB version)

FACT number two: console optimization is a myth.

MK-Professor

Bullshit. :roll:

FACT number one: a HD7850(with only a 5% OC) equals in performance the PS4 GPU (all through the 1GB version is not going to cut it, you will definitely need the 2GB or 4GB version)

FACT number two: console optimization is a myth.

MK-Professor

To all the people that talk about optimization, need to see that gpu's that have similar power to console gpu's can play games at console level. example, a prehistoric ati x1950pro(with similar power to the xbox gpu) link can play games like crysis2 with similar graphics and performance.

I don't get why people make such a big deal out of these things!

Don't buy a PS4 if you don't like it!

I don't get why people make such a big deal out of these things!

Don't buy a PS4 if you don't like it!

MasterX666

Won't speak for others but I'm here cuz of boredom. Discussing such things is something to pass the time.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202004

How low the price will go until launch?

I bet $120.

True_Gamer_

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] prepare to be disappointing because in the end the LCD will be the lead platform. Just because they share a x86 cpu means nothing. I don't get why people seem to think this means it will be any easier porting from pc's. Its the difference from a compiler flag. In the end they'll target the Consoles first and create upscaled settings for PC.savagetwinkie

You're not a developer, hence why you don't know what you are tlaking about.

There are a number of reasons related to asset development and optimization, as well as renderer development that makes targetting PC then consoles an attractive proposition for most.

In 3 years developers will be releasing games on PC with higher rez textures, much more physics interation and particle effects, much more accurate per pixel effects, and longer view distances. Just like this generation, only it's startgin right out fo the gate.

You're right in that multi-plats won't feature truly expansive differences in terms of gameplay/world size/complexity. But there will be plenty of PC exclusives that WILL feature those things.

Like Rome II, for example. No game, not even on next gen consoles could handle 32,000 friggin units, all with AI, pathfinding and complex animations. The consoels don't have the CPU for it.

But PC's do. :P

Like I said, you're not a dev. I'm a software developer, not in the industry either, but I do have friends in the business. And I'm only rellaying what they are rellaying to me, and mroe importantly what the developers of the Frostbite engine have said, and what develoepr son the Ubisoft side of thigns have said, and what developer sont he Valve side of things have said.

They ALL say the same thing. That developing for PC and porting to consoles is the way to go, in msot cases. Specially now, given the similarity fo the architecture.

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202004

How low the price will go until launch?

I bet $120.

robbie80

Pathetic. At least try to bring somehting intelligent to the conversation.

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

FACT number one: a HD7850(with only a 5% OC) equals in performance the PS4 GPU (all through the 1GB version is not going to cut it, you will definitely need the 2GB or 4GB version)

FACT number two: console optimization is a myth.

Wickerman777

Bullshit. :roll:

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

FACT number one: a HD7850(with only a 5% OC) equals in performance the PS4 GPU (all through the 1GB version is not going to cut it, you will definitely need the 2GB or 4GB version)

FACT number two: console optimization is a myth.

04dcarraher

Bullshit. :roll:

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

Bullshit. :roll:

Magescrew

I paid less than $200 for my 7870xt @1.2ghz and its almost twice as fast as the ps4's GPU.......

By the time the consoles come out, your easily going to find a 7870ghz/660 for under $150 (both are faster). A 7850 2GB (which can reach 1050mhz without changing the volts) will probably be $120-130

You also have the lowend/midranged volanic island GPU's that are coming out this fall (new architecture + they will force price drops on everything).

[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="ayoox1"] debunked? by who? john carmack say consoles achieve 2x more power then eqiuvalent PC, try running TLOU graphics or Halo 4 graphics on 512 mb of total RAM.. wont happen... console are much more strnger then equivalent PC parts :lol: stupid butthurt hermitayoox1

It dont matter how much memory it takes to run a game, because the difference between loading all assets into memory vs stream/load as you go approach on current consoles is only that. Developers have to take compromises determining what to keep or take away/lower quality. The point of the argument here is about the processors/gpu's. Also the statement that JC was stating about optimization(more in-depth fine tuning) can allow upto 2x the performance with equal pc hardware is false. Because of the ample examples for gpu's from the same era and nearly the same performance level as those consoles performing on par . If Carmack's statement held water you wouldn't see these gpu's performing on par or better in some cases.

[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="ayoox1"] debunked? by who? john carmack say consoles achieve 2x more power then eqiuvalent PC, try running TLOU graphics or Halo 4 graphics on 512 mb of total RAM.. wont happen... console are much more strnger then equivalent PC parts :lol: stupid butthurt hermitayoox1

looks better than the ps3 and xbox version :lol:

wow... do people not understand the PS3/360's biggest bottleneck were their RAM and using videos of PC's with 2GBRAM + 512VRAM proves nothing? Especially considering that their using multiplat games? (multiplat devs don't optimize to the extent of 1st party devs). Calling console optimization a myth just shows complete ignorance of hardware and it's sad that it's mostly hermits who say such ignorant stuff considering the fact that we should understand hardware the most... Silenthps

Nope.... memory amount only affects loading times,resolutions and detail not the performance from the processors/gpu's.

It dont matter how much memory it takes to run a game, because the difference between loading all assets into memory vs stream/load as you go approach on current consoles is only that. Developers have to take compromises determining what to keep or take away/lower quality with streaming on limited memory. Comparing gpu's that have 2-3x the processing performance even with 256mb will still kick the crap out of those console gpu's at same resolutions. Look at Unreal Engine 3 a widely used and optimized engine used on consoles and pc. and the fact is that a measly Geforce 8600GT with 256mb of memory is able to play these games at 1680x1050/1600x1200 high to max quality and still yield a 40 fps average even though the gpu's processing performance is on par with the 360's gpu. The consoles also have to contend with weaker cpu's too.

[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]Thats the exact same GPU thats in the PS4?True_Gamer_

looks better than the ps3 and xbox version :lol:

Tessellation

As it should with a GPU 3 times the strength and with vram equivalent to the entire system memory of a PS3 or Xbox 360. Let's not forget the processor which is several times more powerful than anything in the PS3 or Xbox 360.

How can you even overlook that? A game being played on a machine with far superior performance looks better than the same game on a machine with less performance. WHO WOULD HAVE GUESSED?!

[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]Thats the exact same GPU thats in the PS4?True_Gamer_

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202004

SAPPHIRE 100355-1GOCL Radeon HD 7850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card OC Version

It's lacking in GDDR5.

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"] It will produce same graphics on same settings. So you where saying?Tessellation

7850: 1024 SPs, 64 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 153GB/s bandwidth.
PS4 : 1152 SPs, 72 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 176GB/s bandwidth.

(higher is better)

Also, for PC you need higher than the console equivalent.

Is really a myth! everyone knows you can get more power out of a console because of optimisations. Look for a GPU that has roughly twice the figures of the GPU in the PS4 and see what price it is!

[QUOTE="ayoox1"][QUOTE="Tessellation"] :lol: alt accounts trying hard,the fact that a 7 years old PC GPU runs the same games better than a ps3 or xbox 360 speaks louder than words.Tessellation

looks better than the ps3 and xbox version :lol:

[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"] It's the closest example, but not the same.

7850: 1024 SPs, 64 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 153GB/s bandwidth.
PS4 : 1152 SPs, 72 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 176GB/s bandwidth.

(higher is better)

Also, for PC you need higher than the console equivalent.

ziggyww

Is really a myth! everyone knows you can get more power out of a console because of optimisations. Look for a GPU that has roughly twice the figures of the GPU in the PS4 and see what price it is!

This thread is so dumb

seanmcloughlin

[QUOTE="ziggyww"]

[QUOTE="Tessellation"] that's a myth debunked long time ago,please continue trying :cool:True_Gamer_

Is really a myth! everyone knows you can get more power out of a console because of optimisations. Look for a GPU that has roughly twice the figures of the GPU in the PS4 and see what price it is!

This is taken out of context. How many times does that have to be said for the idiot consolites to get it?

SOME aspects of the rendering pipeline (really, with modern API's we're taking draw calls, and little else) can outperform similar PC hardware 2 or more to 1. But a rendering piepline isn't just pure draw calls, and further optimization on the PC (yes, you cna optimize on PC too console gamers) can further equalize performance levels.

In the end, the difference comes to 10-30% improvement over similar PC hardware. NOT 200%. It's ridiculous. Just logging on to youtube and seeing ancient rigs play modern games at console levels shows you idiotic you have to be to simply take that out fo context quote and run with it.

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="ziggyww"]

Is really a myth! everyone knows you can get more power out of a console because of optimisations. Look for a GPU that has roughly twice the figures of the GPU in the PS4 and see what price it is!

Kinthalis

This is taken out of context. How many times does that have to be said for the idiot consolites to get it?

SOME aspects of the rendering pipeline (really, with modern API's we're taking draw calls, and little else) can outperform similar PC hardware 2 or more to 1. But a rendering piepline isn't just pure draw calls, and further optimization on the PC (yes, you cna optimize on PC too console gamers) can further equalize performance levels.

In the end, the difference comes to 10-30% improvement over similar PC hardware. NOT 200%. It's ridiculous. Just logging on to youtube and seeing ancient rigs play modern games at console levels shows you idiotic you have to be to simply take that out fo context quote and run with it.

Oh please he can't possibly be more clear about what he was trying to say,the only thing missing there is Consoles >>>>> same hardware PC do to efficiency.

That is a 7850 not a ps4 gpu.  While the approximate performance is considered like a 7850 it is not the same thing because of various specs etc. 

The X1 gpu was said to be like a 7790 but then there was news that they upgraded the clock speed to 860mhz(ish) and the 7790 has 1ghz and when you look closer the x1 gpu might not actually even be as powerful as a 7770.  

I don't know all the info on the ps4 gpu but it might actually be better or worse than the 7850 console makers do not use the same exact parts as we do even if they are based on those parts.

Yeah, PS4 preorder canceled and now I'm getting a supah dupah gaming PC first quarter next year knowing I'll play the superior multi's and all concerned about having teh most powahful system should do the same. :o :P