PS4 has not won yet, launch exclusives will play a very MINOR role in choice.

It amazes me how you people think "Core Blockbuster Exclusives" matter on a systems launch. in the end its whatever system appears more interesting to the end users after all the vast majority of games are multiplatform now,  a large portion of users which do nowhere near the research we do and will have no idea about the "technical benefits" and "Developer liking" of the PS4..... something Sony fanboys forget was the OPPOSITE last gen and still Sony broke even with Microsoft because in the end those technical differences are a minor set back at most to developers.

This battle is nowhere near one sided just because developers like a confirmed platforms hardware. There are quite a few possible stunts microsoft could pull to grab the attention of most of the market.

1) Kinect 2.0 - the most popular "expensive" hardware extension out there selling 22 million. given its technical limitations that is impressive, why? because kinect 2.0 will improve on all of its functionality, hardcore "gamers" on this forum that only see one aspect of this technologies functionality are narrow minded. A good spec'd kinect essentially has the potential to smoke all the competition in the motion control departmend AND provide the best usability for a console without the use of a controller.

E.G .... the touchpad on the PS4 controller... a nice step foward ..... but its got such a small surface space ... and is limited to swipe and mouse moevment... great.... so in other words a tiny trackpad. COMPARED with the ability to just hold up your hand and move a sensitive mouse around the console OS which is already available BUT with 2.0 should be even smoother.

2) Skype Intergration - SONY is streaming 15 mins of recorded footage, streaming on the go ect? You guys realise skype can do this already? with multiple people. this combined with kinect being built into every system you have probably the most social overall system by a landslide. How do I know this will happen? SKYPE is imbedded into Windows Phone, its now a Microsoft product and your hotmail/live/microsoft account (which you will use to log into the xbox) are now one with Skype. 

PSN chat and stream on apps for devices? Pfffft. nothing compared to the 100s millions of people using skype, hell skype is intergrated into my phone, if I want a call with a large group of freinds, I dont have to remotely give a damn what device I am using since pretty much EVERYTHING has skype.

3) Windows 8 Ecosystem... vs... PSN?  - PSN is a tiny eco-system that will start from scratch because you cannot use your PS3 PSN stuff. *IF* xbox720 has backwards compatibility then we all know thats one massive plus already.

But, more importantly Xbox will have Windows 8 intergration and at the centre you won't log into a "Xbox live account" anymore because your "xbox live account" will be intergrated into your "Microsoft Account" - 1 login for all systems (Windows PC/Tablet/Phone/Console) they all share the same development tools and can easily be ported to one another.

THAT is a good insentive for developers across the board, you will likely see a big increase in ARCADE and APP titles for when those blockbuster exclusives have dry spells.

4) 55% of all software Sales this generation, most popular online - Both 2 HUGE statistics despite what anti-MS people want to believe. despite GOLD, and despite lack of "OMG AWESOME MOVIE EXCLUSIVES" games sell better and the online is used more on the Xbox360 and is far more attractive to developers in that sense.

You may have some nice exclusive naughtydog titles down the line (maybe not who knows.) but in the end more gamers play and buy more games for xbox.... and quite clearly appreciate gold despite its cost, afterall it IS the better eco system/service overall thats not up for debate.

CONLUSION

 Now, I am leaning towards PS4 purely because I miss asian games and I want to be able to play Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn on both my PC and a console BUT, there is a reason investors DEMAND something new, something other than just an upgraded gaming box... because consoles have enough games regardless, there has to be a bigger overall lure.

In this department, Microsoft has an enourmous advantage over Sony.

Come NOV/DEC .... both release. the one just looks like a standard playstation 3 upgrade with a new controller.

The other, a completely upgraded intergrated Living room 3D tracking device launching with windows store and things like skype ect .... it just sounds so much more attractive for a what £300-400 device.

"Buh buh exclusives" what Killzone and Infamous? 2 luke warm franchises?

You better hope there isn't  a next gen Halo to counter it at release (could be for all we know) I'm pretty damn sure what most gamers would rather....

Here's how thing will go down: Casuals will be split between Wii, Wii U, PS4, nextbox. Core gamers will go either PS4 or PC. PS4 wins, Sony gets 1st place like they have in 2/3 generations so far.

Minor role in choice? *look at PS3* Nah I think launch games are VERY important.

Summary: 720 will be asscheeks. Deal with it.

EDIT: And this thread is what's wrong with Microsoft these days, WHERE ARE THE GAMES? lolol.

There is no doubt the role of the exclusive in determining the platform winner has GREATLY decreased... from a business perspective.  Especially since third party multiplats are turning out far better games than first party exclusives.  Of course thats up for opinion.  I think the major dissonance with all of us in here is that we only relate to gaming through our own experience, and with that, how much we actually game... Sure it's nice to play the numbers game of how many exclusives a company has or doesnt have, but If I had to guess, I'd say that 95% of the gamers out there, don't play the tremendous (and still growing) number of quality games that release, seeimingly every week!  

Point is, back when consoles werent about services, (sony and MS and now Ninty) exclusives determined the main draw of a console... Now its connectivity with friends and making sure you have a well rounded lineup in several demographics to serve the most gamers... Ultimately it's not our hobby alone anymore :( we just don't like admitting it.

Here's how thing will go down: Casuals will be split between Wii, Wii U, PS4, nextbox. Core gamers will go either PS4 or PC. PS4 wins, Sony gets 1st place like they have in 2/3 generations so far.

ImBatman-

Minor role in choice? *look at PS3* Nah I think launch games are VERY important.

 

Summary: 720 will be asscheeks. Deal with it.

Douevenlift_bro

Minor role in choice? *look at PS3* Nah I think launch games are VERY important.

 

Summary: 720 will be asscheeks. Deal with it.

 

EDIT: And this thread is what's wrong with Microsoft these days, WHERE ARE THE GAMES? lolol.

Douevenlift_bro

There is no doubt the role of the exclusive in determining the platform winner has GREATLY decreased... from a business perspective.  Especially since third party multiplats are turning out far better games than first party exclusives.  Of course thats up for opinion.  I think the major dissonance with all of us in here is that we only relate to gaming through our own experience, and with that, how much we actually game... Sure it's nice to play the numbers game of how many exclusives a company has or doesnt have, but If I had to guess, I'd say that 95% of the gamers out there, don't play the tremendous (and still growing) number of quality games that release, seeimingly every week!  

Point is, back when consoles werent about services, (sony and MS and now Ninty) exclusives determined the main draw of a console... Now its connectivity with friends and making sure you have a well rounded lineup in several demographics to serve the most gamers... Ultimately it's not our hobby alone anymore :( we just don't like admitting it.

TheEroica

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

Minor role in choice? *look at PS3* Nah I think launch games are VERY important.

 

Summary: 720 will be asscheeks. Deal with it.

MBirdy88

Knock out Windows 8 and SKype because one is a flop, the other is irrelevant. Only advantage you have there is Kinect, but then again the competition offers similar experiences. What else you got? The online isn't even a big difference. Same experience, one isn't free. Hasn't detered devs from making games on Sony consoles. One can even argue PSN is much more attractive than XBL.

Now what do you have left? Exclusives. They tip that scale baby

"You better hope there isn't  a next gen Halo to counter it at release."

First of all, that little comment contradicts your title, you donkey. 

Second...How many copies did Halo 3 sell? Just go ahead and look. If you think Halo is enough to convince everyone to buy the next Xbox then you are a complete fool. 

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

Minor role in choice? *look at PS3* Nah I think launch games are VERY important.

 

Summary: 720 will be asscheeks. Deal with it.

Douevenlift_bro

Knock out Windows 8 and SKype because one is a flop, the other is irrelevant. Only advantage you have there is Kinect, but then again the competition offers similar experiences. What else you got? The online isn't even a big difference. Same experience, one isn't free. Hasn't detered devs from making games on Sony consoles. One can even argue PSN is much more attractive than XBL.

Now what do you have left? Exclusives. They tip that scale baby

"You better hope there isn't  a next gen Halo to counter it at release."

First of all, that little comment contradicts your title, you donkey. 

Second...How many copies did Halo 3 sell? Just go ahead and look. If you think Halo is enough to convince everyone to buy the next Xbox then you are a complete fool. 

 

23Jarek23

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"] We are talking about 2 consoles due out roughley the same time, not one a year later with no exclusives. An exclusive doesn't mean its good. or the better choice of the system, most initial buyers will go with the game they want regardless of its platform availability. and ALOT of non-researchers (I hate the word casual, especially consolites using it.) will consider what the system does first. You all look at this from a broken system wars perspective.MBirdy88

Knock out Windows 8 and SKype because one is a flop, the other is irrelevant. Only advantage you have there is Kinect, but then again the competition offers similar experiences. What else you got? The online isn't even a big difference. Same experience, one isn't free. Hasn't detered devs from making games on Sony consoles. One can even argue PSN is much more attractive than XBL.

Now what do you have left? Exclusives. They tip that scale baby

This thread summary: "Kinect and errrr... HALO!"

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]

There is no doubt the role of the exclusive in determining the platform winner has GREATLY decreased... from a business perspective.  Especially since third party multiplats are turning out far better games than first party exclusives.  Of course thats up for opinion.  I think the major dissonance with all of us in here is that we only relate to gaming through our own experience, and with that, how much we actually game... Sure it's nice to play the numbers game of how many exclusives a company has or doesnt have, but If I had to guess, I'd say that 95% of the gamers out there, don't play the tremendous (and still growing) number of quality games that release, seeimingly every week!  

Point is, back when consoles werent about services, (sony and MS and now Ninty) exclusives determined the main draw of a console... Now its connectivity with friends and making sure you have a well rounded lineup in several demographics to serve the most gamers... Ultimately it's not our hobby alone anymore :( we just don't like admitting it.

MBirdy88

Here's how thing will go down: Casuals will be split between Wii, Wii U, PS4, nextbox. Core gamers will go either PS4 or PC. PS4 wins, Sony gets 1st place like they have in 2/3 generations so far.

ImBatman-

pretty much this. I don't see how ms fanboys are not tired of the same kinect lolgames, forze gears halo and inferior multiplats.

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]Really? Let's look at it like this..

 

Knock out Windows 8 and SKype because one is a flop, the other is irrelevant. Only advantage you have there is Kinect, but then again the competition offers similar experiences. What else you got? The online isn't even a big difference. Same experience, one isn't free. Hasn't detered devs from making games on Sony consoles. One can even argue PSN is much more attractive than XBL.

 

Now what do you have left? Exclusives. They tip that scale baby

 

Douevenlift_bro

This thread summary: "Kinect and errrr... HALO!"

[QUOTE="23Jarek23"]

"You better hope there isn't  a next gen Halo to counter it at release."

First of all, that little comment contradicts your title, you donkey. 

Second...How many copies did Halo 3 sell? Just go ahead and look. If you think Halo is enough to convince everyone to buy the next Xbox then you are a complete fool. 

 

MBirdy88

I don't comment on Killzone or Infamous because they're not worth commenting on, they're both crap franchises. 

Halo 3 sold about 10 million, with probably 7 million at best buying an Xbox just for Halo, the rest buying Halo because they've already got an Xbox. Regardless, that's 1/8th the amount of consoles sold.

Also in regards to another one your other points. Skype is turning to crap fast, just like everything else M$ touches. Within a few years it'l be obsolete just like MSN messenger. Then what? 

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"] Spoken like a right numpty. no suprise. Can I have some people to debate with who didn't create accounts in 2013 just to overexagurate and troll?MBirdy88

This thread summary: "Kinect and errrr... HALO!"

People pick their console based on peer relation AND exclusives on a "casual" level. If all their friends are buying PS4's cause they heard its cooler theyre gonna buy that PS4 with a multiplat and an exclusive. Vice Versa. This is how "casuals" work

If that fails they get the console with the prettier games. Then there's the moms, they get the cheapest most casual system

This is a far better break down than skype and windows 8. Casuals aint got time for that

PS4 wins be default, sorry lem. Badosh

[QUOTE="Badosh"]PS4 wins be default, sorry lem. MBirdy88

Since i have a gaming PC, exclusives mean a lot to me and that's why I go with Sony. More unique, world class, award winning IPs. That's why PS4 is day fvcking 1. . Heil68

Well of course it hasn't won yet, you're console war for the next gen hasn't even begun yet.

[QUOTE="Heil68"]Since i have a gaming PC, exclusives mean a lot to me and that's why I go with Sony. More unique, world class, award winning IPs. That's why PS4 is day fvcking 1. . TheEroica

[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="Heil68"]Since i have a gaming PC, exclusives mean a lot to me and that's why I go with Sony. More unique, world class, award winning IPs. That's why PS4 is day fvcking 1. . Heil68

It amazes me how you people think "Core Blockbuster Exclusives" matter on a systems launch. in the end its whatever system appears more interesting to the end users after all the vast majority of games are multiplatform now, a large portion of users which do nowhere near the research we do and will have no idea about the "technical benefits" and "Developer liking" of the PS4..... something Sony fanboys forget was the OPPOSITE last gen and still Sony broke even with Microsoft because in the end those technical differences are a minor set back at most to developers.

This battle is nowhere near one sided just because developers like a confirmed platforms hardware. There are quite a few possible stunts microsoft could pull to grab the attention of most of the market.

1) Kinect 2.0 - the most popular "expensive" hardware extension out there selling 22 million. given its technical limitations that is impressive, why? because kinect 2.0 will improve on all of its functionality, hardcore "gamers" on this forum that only see one aspect of this technologies functionality are narrow minded. A good spec'd kinect essentially has the potential to smoke all the competition in the motion control departmend AND provide the best usability for a console without the use of a controller.

E.G .... the touchpad on the PS4 controller... a nice step foward ..... but its got such a small surface space ... and is limited to swipe and mouse moevment... great.... so in other words a tiny trackpad. COMPARED with the ability to just hold up your hand and move a sensitive mouse around the console OS which is already available BUT with 2.0 should be even smoother.

2) Skype Intergration- SONY is streaming 15 mins of recorded footage, streaming on the go ect? You guys realise skype can do this already? with multiple people. this combined with kinect being built into every system you have probably the most social overall system by a landslide. How do I know this will happen? SKYPE is imbedded into Windows Phone, its now a Microsoft product and your hotmail/live/microsoft account (which you will use to log into the xbox) are now one with Skype.

PSN chat and stream on apps for devices? Pfffft. nothing compared to the 100s millions of people using skype, hell skype is intergrated into my phone, if I want a call with a large group of freinds, I dont have to remotely give a damn what device I am using since pretty much EVERYTHING has skype.

3)Windows 8 Ecosystem... vs... PSN?- PSN is a tiny eco-system that will start from scratch because you cannot use your PS3 PSN stuff. *IF* xbox720 has backwards compatibility then we all know thats one massive plus already.

But, more importantly Xbox will have Windows 8 intergration and at the centre you won't log into a "Xbox live account" anymore because your "xbox live account" will be intergrated into your "Microsoft Account" - 1 login for all systems (Windows PC/Tablet/Phone/Console) they all share the same development tools and can easily be ported to one another.

THAT is a good insentive for developers across the board, you will likely see a big increase in ARCADE and APP titles for when those blockbuster exclusives have dry spells.

4) 55% of all software Sales this generation, most popular online - Both 2 HUGE statistics despite what anti-MS people want to believe. despite GOLD, and despite lack of "OMG AWESOME MOVIE EXCLUSIVES" games sell better and the online is used more on the Xbox360 and is far more attractive to developers in that sense.

You may have some nice exclusive naughtydog titles down the line (maybe not who knows.) but in the end more gamers play and buy more games for xbox.... and quite clearly appreciate gold despite its cost, afterall it IS the better eco system/service overall thats not up for debate.

CONLUSION

Now, I am leaning towards PS4 purely because I miss asian games and I want to be able to play Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn on both my PC and a console BUT, there is a reason investors DEMAND something new, something other than just an upgraded gaming box... because consoles have enough games regardless, there has to be a bigger overall lure.

In this department, Microsoft has an enourmous advantage over Sony.

Come NOV/DEC .... both release. the one just looks like a standard playstation 3 upgrade with a new controller.

The other, a completely upgraded intergrated Living room 3D tracking device launching with windows store and things like skype ect .... it just sounds so much more attractive for a what £300-400 device.

"Buh buh exclusives" what Killzone and Infamous? 2 luke warm franchises?

You better hope there isn't a next gen Halo to counter it at release (could be for all we know) I'm pretty damn sure what most gamers would rather....

MBirdy88

Won what....?Seriously what do they win.LOL

lol exclusives would be the only reason i buy a ps3 i have a gaming pc why would i buy inferior multiplats?

how anyone could support microsoft is beyond me. These are such an awful company everything they do sucks. There phones suck, windows sucks, there console sucks and the list goes on.

Exclusive games are very important if you want pc gamers to buy your goddamn console.

how anyone could support microsoft is beyond me. These are such an awful company everything they do sucks. There phones suck, windows sucks, there console sucks and the list goes on.

osirisx3

how anyone could support microsoft is beyond me. These are such an awful company everything they do sucks. There phones suck, windows sucks, there console sucks and the list goes on.

osirisx3

By the lack of exclusive games it limits the appeal of your console to pc gamers.

No pc gamer is gonna buy a ps4 to play call of duty.

[QUOTE="ImBatman-"]

Here's how thing will go down: Casuals will be split between Wii, Wii U, PS4, nextbox. Core gamers will go either PS4 or PC. PS4 wins, Sony gets 1st place like they have in 2/3 generations so far.

Krelian-co

pretty much this. I don't see how ms fanboys are not tired of the same kinect lolgames, forze gears halo and inferior multiplats.

im buying ps4 to play killzone goddamn 4

Cpw logic (which has never been right) says the PS4 willl win by default. They still think the PS3 has sold more than the 360.

Me? I am waiting til April. If the 360 is indeed a Kinect box with no games and significantly weaker than yeah. I will say Cow Nation has a big upperhand. But Microsoft, a company terrible at keeping secrets has been quite. Too quite even for them. So either they are about to drop a bomb or they have nothing at all....and the NextBox is farther off than people think.

As for a cablebox? Well, Microsoft has said all along they wanna be a living room device and not concentrate on just games. So why people act surprise is beyond me. The PS4 is doing the same thing.  :?

It is sad to see some people make up their choice of console based on who got best use of Twitter, Facebook, Skype :?

I buy console/s for the games...

It is sad to see some people make up their choice of console based on who got best use of Twitter, Facebook, Skype :?

I buy console/s for the games...

aroxx_ab

PS4 hasn't won yet? This is not even relevant. They will never win. Xbox is more popular then playstation...

Cpw logic (which has never been right) says the PS4 willl win by default. They still think the PS3 has sold more than the 360.

Me? I am waiting til April. If the 360 is indeed a Kinect box with no games and significantly weaker than yeah. I will say Cow Nation has a big upperhand. But Microsoft, a company terrible at keeping secrets has been quite. Too quite even for them. So either they are about to drop a bomb or they have nothing at all....and the NextBox is farther off than people think.

As for a cablebox? Well, Microsoft has said all along they wanna be a living room device and not concentrate on just games. So why people act surprise is beyond me. The PS4 is doing the same thing.  :?

timbers_WSU

Lol if call of duty was launching instead of killzone4 i would have no interest in ps4.

[QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]

It is sad to see some people make up their choice of console based on who got best use of Twitter, Facebook, Skype :?

I buy console/s for the games...

MBirdy88

Because of the games and i have owned every Nintendo console released except handhelds/Virtual boy. You know i love Nintendo 1st party games, other games is just a bonus. WiiU have exclusives like ZombiU which i thought was very good/fun.

This month i getting Monster Hunter Ultimate which will give me over 2000hrs gaming like Monster Hunter Tri for Wii;)

That same call of duty would be on my computer making ps4 useless to me.

Here is a thought:
I know you guys think you are too hard core for most games and only play niche titles to look good on the net (My God you people think No more Heroes and Vanquish are good games) but My store is next dor to Gamestop so I hang out there with the employee's way more than I should. But you guys will be surprised how many people will go strat to the PS4 or NextBox because of theirgamer score. Yes I am serious. Their are tons of people who care that much about it. Plus, at least in my neck of the woods the XBOX brand is the Call of Duty machine. And to be honest the 360 players are way better than the PS3 players. Microsoft will make sure they keep that crowd as well.

The point is. To most people only certain things matter. Look at Madden and the Dreamcast. Not having Madden killed it even though the Dreamcast had a better football game. All that Microsoft needs to do is make sure the COD crowd, Madden, and the people who are just used to owning the XBOX brand do not jump ship and they will stay competitve. I mean Jesus how else did the Wii U sale more than 10,000 units? No one with any common sense would of bought that damn thing. And for the record I did and still have games I am trying to sale.....:lol:

mario and sonic proves exclusives have been important for a long time.

These companys need to learn one thing from nintendo exclusives are important and thats it.

MS needed to launch first again. That is the only advantage they had last gen. If Sony had launched at the same time you could have said goodbye to the xbox brand. senses_fail_06

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]

It is sad to see some people make up their choice of console based on who got best use of Twitter, Facebook, Skype :?

I buy console/s for the games...

aroxx_ab

Because of the games and i have owned every Nintendo console released except handhelds/Virtual boy. You know i love Nintendo 1st party games, other games is just a bonus. WiiU have exclusives like ZombiU which i thought was very good/fun.

This month i getting Monster Hunter Ultimate which will give me over 2000hrs gaming like Monster Hunter Tri for Wii;)